The Swimmer is one of the short stories I have to analyze for Academic Decathlon this year, along with the River by Flannery O'Connor. I just watched the River video you posted in around 2020 and clicked on your channel to find you posted the next story I needed only 1 minute ago. Crazy. Both videos are incredibly well researched and very helpful for my competition. Thank you!
Stop. Stop. Stop being so awesome. Hangovers on a Sunday? Heathens! I have yet to explore Cheever, but you all make me want to. Beautiful incorporation of Ancient Greek lit. ❤️
Cheever's prose is absolutely amazing here! I interpreted the highway to be Scylla and Charybdis from The Odyssey. Especially so when he was stuck in the median between the lanes. The first party he came to on his journey could be Cheever's version of the Lotus Eaters. This was an amazing story! An easy 10/10!
From the beginning with Neddy’s sliding down the bannister in his house in "Bullet Park" (a foreboding name) this story depicts a continued progression downward. When Neddy slapped Aphrodite _ was that a reference to possible domestic violence, possibly slapping away love? Shortly after leaving the house he takes a dogleg turn to the southwest (downward on a map). Early on in the story he’s walking on "Alewives Lane" (are the wives drinking ale or are their husbands full of ale?). With each successive pool he swims in he’s moving into less and less desirable pools. And the people who own those pools are each successively lower down on the social strata than the uppity country club set to which he once belonged. Finally, he gets back to what used to be his home but it’s empty and locked. He knows he will never regain entry to that life. The water has not cleansed and redeemed him instead the alcohol has set him adrift from all that he loves.
I interpreted the smack on the ass as a direct commentary on his wife and marriage: dismissive and something that was taken for granted. Basically Neddys' view of his wife and women.
Great suggestion. We did Cathedral a while back and I feel like the comments from that video made me really reevaluate my empathy and some things that I needed to dig deeper on. Always great when a story can make you do that!
I thought he was actually dead. That maybe he was in some kind of purgatory. He didn’t remember a lot of things. I thought he died a couple years earlier. There were also some strange scenes, like when he went to the couple who was naked. It seemed like maybe he was their call boy or something. Also, I thought the little boy maybe was dead as well. Kind of reminded of the movie the 6th Sense or The Others. I had never heard of this movie. It was like was hidden and the movie just appeared. Surprised it wasn’t more well known. Mysterious movie, that left a lot of unanswered questions. Somebody should do a remake of it. Maybe Jordan Peele could pick it up.
Dudes - bless you both but you are too young to remember that culture. I am an old head -75. Do you think partay just started in 90's? Parties and cocktails of course were expected and regular. Back that drinking was not seen as a problem and hangovers ok happened. The setting was perfect anywhere Suburbia, USA. About symbolism - thanks for mentioning the highway - that was the division between the wealth, private pools and the working class, way overcrowded pool. He is also getting cold, hugging himself. He loses strength - he starts to use his arms to climb out of the pools. Actually there are so many clues and nuances in this film it is worth more than one view. Lastly BTW - the comparison to the Greeks - there is a movie The Warriors that begins with a Greek story of an army trapped in hostile territory and had to fight home. Worth a view.
About The Warriors which begins by telling a Greek tale about soldiers caught in hostile territory and having to fight their way home - the soldiers in The Warriors are a Coney Island gang stuck in the Bronx and have to fight their way home (on foot and public trans). Yeah you read right. They encounter numerous gangs on the way - even a female gang (could be a reference to the Sirens). The Swimmer emulates that situation also in Ned's journey to get home.
I wonder if the pools represented various pool parties where Neddy got drunk and behaved inappropriately. Also he is swimming home after leaving his wife. His arrofanxe allows him to believe that she is at home awaiting his return. His neigbours know the truth, but Neddy is in deep denial. Or he is senile and the whole thing was imagined.
There was a hint in the beginning of the movie , when he wanted to borrow his neighbor's car to back to his home .His neighbour's talked him out of it .
I think this story is beautiful. Was the journey meaningful? Not really. Was it almost absurd how he swam through each homeowner's swimming pool? Yes, very. It's kind of funny. In the end we may be left with the reflection about the lengths we go about denying certain facets of our lives. I think this story borders on preposterous because we may just act that way when we try to escape reality. Also, the neighbors in my opinion are possibly a reflection of the culture and classes of that period in time. They all had some background knowledge of the protagonist as well, and it's up to the reader to catch on and build a story of Ned's vague past on their own.
listen i dont want to keep complimenting you guys every time and giving you all big heads, so instead let me say I hated this. Its trite of you guys to have such on the nose opinions, its boring to hear a story explained so well and simply, its annoying to compare my ability to analyze fiction to how deep and unique you guys go etc. just enough already.
Oh man, I have a laundry list of things that I wish we could say more accurately and better in every video! I wish I had the ability to sit down and record in a fluid sentence the way your videos flow. Maybe we all see the best in others? Thanks for the kind words.
I interpreted the smack on the ass as a direct commentary on his wife and marriage: dismissive and something that was taken for granted. Basically Neddys' view of his wife and women.
I started my swim as a lark. Even when the times get tough, once I start on a lark I can't let it go until it's over. Incurable optimism.
The Swimmer is one of the short stories I have to analyze for Academic Decathlon this year, along with the River by Flannery O'Connor. I just watched the River video you posted in around 2020 and clicked on your channel to find you posted the next story I needed only 1 minute ago. Crazy. Both videos are incredibly well researched and very helpful for my competition. Thank you!
Wow. What are the odds! Now if we sync on the next post that’ll be a sign!
This is truly one of the greatest stories. Great comparison with Ulysses.
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Great job with this and thank you for the plug.
The highway being like the River Styx is a good point.
Una's flower knowledge runs deep.
Anytime, sir
My favorite short story!
Stop. Stop. Stop being so awesome. Hangovers on a Sunday? Heathens! I have yet to explore Cheever, but you all make me want to. Beautiful incorporation of Ancient Greek lit. ❤️
If I speak the name Ulysses, will you suddenly appear?
Cheever's prose is absolutely amazing here!
I interpreted the highway to be Scylla and Charybdis from The Odyssey. Especially so when he was stuck in the median between the lanes. The first party he came to on his journey could be Cheever's version of the Lotus Eaters.
This was an amazing story! An easy 10/10!
I can see that! Man... why does Greek Literature the gift that keeps on giving?
You guys always make top tier analyses on these short stories! Keep it up!
Greetings from Greece!
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From the beginning with Neddy’s sliding down the bannister in his house in "Bullet Park" (a foreboding name) this story depicts a continued progression downward. When Neddy slapped Aphrodite _ was that a reference to possible domestic violence, possibly slapping away love? Shortly after leaving the house he takes a dogleg turn to the southwest (downward on a map). Early on in the story he’s walking on "Alewives Lane" (are the wives drinking ale or are their husbands full of ale?). With each successive pool he swims in he’s moving into less and less desirable pools. And the people who own those pools are each successively lower down on the social strata than the uppity country club set to which he once belonged. Finally, he gets back to what used to be his home but it’s empty and locked. He knows he will never regain entry to that life. The water has not cleansed and redeemed him instead the alcohol has set him adrift from all that he loves.
Great comment!
I interpreted the smack on the ass as a direct commentary on his wife and marriage: dismissive and something that was taken for granted. Basically Neddys' view of his wife and women.
I have always related this story to Heart of Darkness as well - Great video and consider doing a Raymond Carver short story or book
Great suggestion. We did Cathedral a while back and I feel like the comments from that video made me really reevaluate my empathy and some things that I needed to dig deeper on. Always great when a story can make you do that!
Funny. When I swim I breathe every fourth stroke.
I'll have to ask my niece about that. She's very competitive in swimming.
I thought he was actually dead. That maybe he was in some kind of purgatory. He didn’t remember a lot of things. I thought he died a couple years earlier. There were also some strange scenes, like when he went to the couple who was naked. It seemed like maybe he was their call boy or something. Also, I thought the little boy maybe was dead as well. Kind of reminded of the movie the 6th Sense or The Others. I had never heard of this movie. It was like was hidden and the movie just appeared. Surprised it wasn’t more well known. Mysterious movie, that left a lot of unanswered questions. Somebody should do a remake of it. Maybe Jordan Peele could pick it up.
Y’all, the Lucinda River wasn’t named after his mom. His leaving his house didn’t happen in the story. It was an unreliable recall.
The CodeX Cantina, where do you come from, please?
USA
@@TheCodeXCantina thank you, & which part of the USA, please?
Dudes - bless you both but you are too young to remember that culture. I am an old head -75. Do you think partay just started in 90's? Parties and cocktails of course were expected and regular. Back that drinking was not seen as a problem and hangovers ok happened. The setting was perfect anywhere Suburbia, USA. About symbolism - thanks for mentioning the highway - that was the division between the wealth, private pools and the working class, way overcrowded pool. He is also getting cold, hugging himself. He loses strength - he starts to use his arms to climb out of the pools. Actually there are so many clues and nuances in this film it is worth more than one view. Lastly BTW - the comparison to the Greeks - there is a movie The Warriors that begins with a Greek story of an army trapped in hostile territory and had to fight home. Worth a view.
About The Warriors which begins by telling a Greek tale about soldiers caught in hostile territory and having to fight their way home - the soldiers in The Warriors are a Coney Island gang stuck in the Bronx and have to fight their way home (on foot and public trans). Yeah you read right. They encounter numerous gangs on the way - even a female gang (could be a reference to the Sirens). The Swimmer emulates that situation also in Ned's journey to get home.
I wonder if the pools represented various pool parties where Neddy got drunk and behaved inappropriately.
Also he is swimming home after leaving his wife. His arrofanxe allows him to believe that she is at home awaiting his return. His neigbours know the truth, but Neddy is in deep denial. Or he is senile and the whole thing was imagined.
I like the distractions or delusions in the face of reality. Very cool
There was a hint in the beginning of the movie , when he wanted to borrow his neighbor's car to back to his home .His neighbour's talked him out of it .
I think this story is beautiful. Was the journey meaningful? Not really. Was it almost absurd how he swam through each homeowner's swimming pool? Yes, very. It's kind of funny. In the end we may be left with the reflection about the lengths we go about denying certain facets of our lives. I think this story borders on preposterous because we may just act that way when we try to escape reality. Also, the neighbors in my opinion are possibly a reflection of the culture and classes of that period in time. They all had some background knowledge of the protagonist as well, and it's up to the reader to catch on and build a story of Ned's vague past on their own.
River Lucinda,is named after his wife,not his mother!!!
Correct. Which is why we discussed it as representing his wife.
@@TheCodeXCantina you say wife....then mother!!
@@iancrombie8862 can you give me the time code? While I can’t fix the video, I could at least fix the subtitles so as not to confuse people.
@@TheCodeXCantina around 4'25 and then 4'45..approx...
@@iancrombie8862 thanks, I’ll get that fixed.
listen i dont want to keep complimenting you guys every time and giving you all big heads, so instead let me say I hated this. Its trite of you guys to have such on the nose opinions, its boring to hear a story explained so well and simply, its annoying to compare my ability to analyze fiction to how deep and unique you guys go etc. just enough already.
Oh man, I have a laundry list of things that I wish we could say more accurately and better in every video! I wish I had the ability to sit down and record in a fluid sentence the way your videos flow. Maybe we all see the best in others? Thanks for the kind words.
I interpreted the smack on the ass as a direct commentary on his wife and marriage: dismissive and something that was taken for granted. Basically Neddys' view of his wife and women.
Ah interesting! Definitely worth exploring that angle