It's really great having a content creator who goes as in-depth on damage calculations and build varieties on a single champion. Even though Taliyah is not one of the most popular champions (outside of when she's overtuned in pro I guess), it's amazing having someone like you create quality guides and Excel Sheets with comparisons. Thanks a lot Odysseus !
22:51 the true damage from First Strike is a percentage of the post mitigation damage you deal to the target, so if the target mitigates your base damage, they also mitigate your first strike damage, i.e. it doesn't counter mr
10:27 I think the reason the dmg changes is because you get more bonus mana as you stack your Manaflow Band rune, and therefore you get more ap from seraphs passive
great video, I‘m also not the biggest blackfire torch fan, but one advantage that you couldn‘t really check when you only attack one dummy is that you get 4% ap for each enemy in combat, so if you place your e and it hits 4 people you end up with 12% extra ap (idk how the calculation is, but I assume it‘s along the lines of this)
The real exposure was that THIS GAME IS WELL BALANCED and that every item/rune setup has tradeoffs and benefits so just using a build from a guide and ignoring gamestate is really fucking stupid
what people dont understand about electro vs conq is electro hits a single target whereas conq adds damage against everybody another good note is that when you use Q, the 4 remaining rocks do more damage because of the +2 conq stacks, very minimal but adds damage, this applies on E if you hit two champions, whichever champion is damaged later takes more damage
Damn thanks a lot for this. I wouldn't have considered Conqueror even if I saw you test it out months before but yeah it does seem good for extended trades where you won't get 2 electrocute procs. You say it depends on the player I would argue it's a lot more about the Jungle / Mid match ups if you're gonna get extended trades or short if you wanna play for win or poke or scale out of the lane etc.
First Strikes True damage is *Post-Mitigation* so its like Yone E true dmg where it doesnt actually avoid any resists becauses its just echoing the dmg you do to them through resists
The messiah spoke to us, let me pick Taliyah mid with Conqueror, Seraphs, Cosmic and win. Amen Actually I'm a support player why did I just watch 25 min of Taliyah damage testing? You tell me.
Dark harvest to stomp low elo (below d4) Phase rush is the best rune overall, first strike useless now If you are thinking abt electrocute, taliyah isnt the right champ for the teamcomp. taliyah after rework burst is a lot worse and playing for kill early on the champ way harder Obviously ody can get away with electro cause hes been playing the setup for literally years now at chall lvl... Main thing is items where seraphs is best item by far for shield and mana (taliyah big mana problems). You can maybe go ludens if enemy is noob or u just wanna one shot but less consistent. 2nd item horizon for burst, cosmic for ms/cdr, zhonyas,liandries if fights long and tanky. 3rd item either deathcap or crypt is optimal but depends on game.
Bruh what is this 20 min endless yapping... Nah but fr cool info for minmaxing. I play Taliyah on emerald jg sometimes, trash elo but phase rush on jgl feels solid to me in some hard matches where people just invade you for no reason
It's really great having a content creator who goes as in-depth on damage calculations and build varieties on a single champion.
Even though Taliyah is not one of the most popular champions (outside of when she's overtuned in pro I guess), it's amazing having someone like you create quality guides and Excel Sheets with comparisons.
Thanks a lot Odysseus !
It's even funnier because Conq would stack up a lot faster if you actually used auto attacks making it that much better than electrocute
before electro changes, auto q auto on conq + scorch was the same damage level1 as electro cutdown
22:51 the true damage from First Strike is a percentage of the post mitigation damage you deal to the target, so if the target mitigates your base damage, they also mitigate your first strike damage, i.e. it doesn't counter mr
It does counter when mr suddenly increases tho for example u combo a rammus then we pressed w them he gets hit by first strike
@@jobliar937 but how is that a counter bro what? electro would pop before he would gets w off anyways.
@@larsbeerepoot6859 true just trying to think of a situation where u get extra damage from the true damage
10:27 I think the reason the dmg changes is because you get more bonus mana as you stack your Manaflow Band rune, and therefore you get more ap from seraphs passive
Yh I just checked and you get 1 more ap from this
BOOM WHATUP SOLOTALIYAH ONLY HERE
great video, I‘m also not the biggest blackfire torch fan, but one advantage that you couldn‘t really check when you only attack one dummy is that you get 4% ap for each enemy in combat, so if you place your e and it hits 4 people you end up with 12% extra ap (idk how the calculation is, but I assume it‘s along the lines of this)
Dude, I don’t even main Taliyah but DAMN does this content slap I can’t wait for other ppl to realize it and you to get to 100k subs 😂
Did u stack eyeball for the electro tests?
The real exposure was that THIS GAME IS WELL BALANCED and that every item/rune setup has tradeoffs and benefits so just using a build from a guide and ignoring gamestate is really fucking stupid
bro wtf, you are actually a professional on this platform, thanks god
what people dont understand about electro vs conq is electro hits a single target whereas conq adds damage against everybody
another good note is that when you use Q, the 4 remaining rocks do more damage because of the +2 conq stacks, very minimal but adds damage, this applies on E if you hit two champions, whichever champion is damaged later takes more damage
Damn thanks a lot for this.
I wouldn't have considered Conqueror even if I saw you test it out months before but yeah it does seem good for extended trades where you won't get 2 electrocute procs.
You say it depends on the player I would argue it's a lot more about the Jungle / Mid match ups if you're gonna get extended trades or short if you wanna play for win or poke or scale out of the lane etc.
First Strikes True damage is *Post-Mitigation* so its like Yone E true dmg where it doesnt actually avoid any resists becauses its just echoing the dmg you do to them through resists
testing conq now for the boi, also do you sell boots for some item lategame???
9:00 I feel like pressance of mind is the worst mana ruin tbh
The messiah spoke to us, let me pick Taliyah mid with Conqueror, Seraphs, Cosmic and win. Amen
Actually I'm a support player why did I just watch 25 min of Taliyah damage testing? You tell me.
First strike damage gets mitigated by MR because its damage is based on how much magic damage you deal
W Video W Ody pls more educational stuff !!!
I mean this doesn’t include the kiting value u get from phase rush… allowing u to position differently, chase enemies and survive ganks
Blackfire torch also has the built in passive
Odysseus, please make a video addressing the jungle taliyah nerf :(
where are you from ody?
I think he lives in Amsterdam iirc
you forgot about first strike and dark harvest. but idk if dark harvest is not viable in mid lane
he did first strike just later
Only take DH in jungle and botlane
@@JaakeBubba do i take DH as taliyah adc or just taliyah supp
Bigggg boooommmmm😂
Good shit
Shouldnt conq be a lot better in the jungle then?
Jungle item takes care of youre mana problems
Its just that both inspiration and sorcery secondary runes are really good in jungle, (free boots,waterwalking etc)
U can turn off the mana cost bro …..
Leme turn it off in real game too
@@Odysseus131 same pain bro we need to turn it off as well
???
I play conq now, feel so good
why no first strike?
You have to watch till the end
@@JohannesMusic oh mb xD
Dark harvest to stomp low elo (below d4)
Phase rush is the best rune overall, first strike useless now
If you are thinking abt electrocute, taliyah isnt the right champ for the teamcomp. taliyah after rework burst is a lot worse and playing for kill early on the champ way harder
Obviously ody can get away with electro cause hes been playing the setup for literally years now at chall lvl...
Main thing is items where seraphs is best item by far for shield and mana (taliyah big mana problems). You can maybe go ludens if enemy is noob or u just wanna one shot but less consistent. 2nd item horizon for burst, cosmic for ms/cdr, zhonyas,liandries if fights long and tanky. 3rd item either deathcap or crypt is optimal but depends on game.
bring back storm raiders surge 😩
tests conq, but not aery
Lov from bronzil
Yea seraph/cosmic feels too good imo
be honest, u only did this vid to prove the haters that conqueror is the best rune
Bruh what is this 20 min endless yapping... Nah but fr cool info for minmaxing. I play Taliyah on emerald jg sometimes, trash elo but phase rush on jgl feels solid to me in some hard matches where people just invade you for no reason
damn, im early
You should collaberate with Professor Akali
1st ^^
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