And yet, at the risk of of blaspheming against one of my true idols, Has this saying been understood?? Are these two choices the only choices?? N. himself says that being alone (not lonely) is a prerequisite for many great things... I have been dealing with the "crowd" for decades, since I became or decided to not keep on believing on this particular ghost. The greatest gift I ever gave myself. Now it is commonplace to be "atheist" but thirty, forty, years ago, not so much. Christian teachers failed me in their courses as a result, and much more... I wasn't argumentative, but back then just STATING your view of it all made you enemies. Good luck.
Voice- yes. Most cursory check how to pronounce German words- scandalous ,obtuse disregard. Who says "Freedraik" for Friedrich.Is it obvious to those few in our country with IQ above 83 points to remember that "ch" is not "K", but"H".
Yes his reading was perfect. It was as if he wrote the book himself. I had to skip the woman in the middle who has no business reading a book like this publically with that level of casual disengagement. Thankfully the last reader saved it, he was almost as good as the first one.
@@oranebrown2169 yeah on beyond good and evil where he humiliates the stoics and the greeks is awesome. And yeah jesus and priest desecration everywhere :))
I am 76 years old and I'm asking myself where has Nietzsche been all my life. Hw many time have I heard his name and never really investigated his writings. I have read many of his books in the past seven months and realized how poor i was and for the past seven months I am enriched.
@@briellehunter7233 don't be scared Amanda. We listen together ok. Just wrap your arms round my neck and cuddle ok. Don't let go hold on tight. Yes, you can kiss me if you want.
I've read Nietzsche and he's a misogynistic pig who has no understanding of basic biblical truth. Ended up losing his mind. That's what happens to all the people who take up his philosophies
I am profoundly moved by this, nearly to tears. Since my early formative years, I was indoctrinated, infected, by this theological influence, this "decadence" Nietzsche is speaking of. Once I was able to fight my way back to my own core; my own body, mind and soul, I still had to keep fighting this infection... and still do. Thus I am alone often. Yet I've found an outlet to creatively express this yearning, integrating my inner darkness with the rest of "me". I am grateful to Nietzsche, Jung, and others; Nietzsche being the one who articulated this revelation of human truths MOST profoundly. He rose above his own suffering and endured for a long time, being a testimony to his own philosophy.
The indoctrination from which he freed me first was the nihilistic modernism that kids were fed in french school, gen X. A church without faith, the last one. We had to be anti that.
I'm 23 years old, and even the struggle to grasp all of what he says compels me to further educate myself, stand alone his actual words that wait to be understood
Oh my Self! If Nietzsche isn't the most articulate of all the scholars I have come across, I don't know who is! That said, I am still in the absorption process; it has been days, not hours, that I have been drinking this food for thought. When I put it down is the time I decide whether or not I can swallow it. As for yet, I am compelled by his powerful rhetoric. Thank you for this channel.
The reason Nietzsche is popular is because with relatable language he puts things in a way more people can grasp onto, Other philosophers are logician/mathematicians which will reveal our intellectual true colors if we were to read them.
"Pity is the technique of nihilism. This depressing and contagious instinct, stands against all those instincts which work for the preservation and enhancement of life. In the role of protector of the miserable. It is the prime agent in the promotion of decadence and nihilism". - Frederick Nietzsche
In order to really appreciate and comprehend this work, one must have a similar experience. Nietzsche was the son of a Protestant preacher who died when our boy was only four. Nevertheless, Protestant Christianity was the dominant ideology of his childhood. In school, he found three currents that aided him in his struggle to free himself from that domination. Classical Greek and Roman literature, modern literature such as Goethe and Schopenhauer and lastly Science and Darwinism. This is why it is in America that he is still so popular and important. The kind of Protestant Domination that he struggled against still exists here, perhaps more than anywhere else. Here in America, he is a living ally against a still powerful enemy. Elsewhere he is a historical footnote. In America reading Nietzsche can still be an aid to self-liberation where as in most other places it is"beating a dead horse."
@Mr Heck Because N. was only interested in attacking the dominant paradigms of his time ( @1888 . ) A condemnation of Christianity is only still relevant where Christianity is still a dominant force.
@Taco Bell Valet you are right, I did not mean to say that about all of Nietszche but this one book "The Antichrist" this extended attack on Christianity would only seem relevant where said Christianity still had the power to oppress and keep people ignorant like in the USA which is not really the case in England or Denmark or places like that.
Nietzsche "Jesus did not die for our sins but for his own" Is that shocking? Is that revolutionary? Does that shake your world? Not to me it is not. I heard Patti Smith day the same thing 40 years ago. The only "claim" I am making is that this book "The Antichrist " is much more relevant to people who are still in the grips of the old time religion than it would be for people who have already moved on from it. And that more of those types of people are to be found in the good old US of A than in Europe. If you think that is "utterly baseless then you are untitled to your opinion. But for my part I think your objection is entirely bovine in nature.
Nietzsche's views on Christianity as expressed in this book was ahead of its time in 1888 . But is it still ahead of this time 2020? If you listen to this whole book is there anything in it you have not already been exposed to? The point is that only where people still believe in the Christianity as an organized relegion is an attack on such a Christianity. For a person who already does not believe in such a thing for someone who was never brought up to believe in such a thing. The whole book is like beating a dead horse. If you never believed in that type of Jesus you might as well read a book that demonstrates how the tooth fairy is just a myth.
"Nihilist and Christian..they rhyme in German... and they do more than rhyme." Nietzsche has made me laugh out-loud few times now, brilliant fellow, thank goodness for his work.
"The time of heroes is dead, Wiglaf. The Christ's god has killed it, leaving humankind with nothing but weeping martyrs, fear and shame." - Beowulf, from the eponymous film by Robert Zemeckis
I tried reading the book online myself but could not focus on what i was reading nor did i understand many words , insead now i am playing this audio book while also reading the book with this video's narrator and pausing to transalte unknown words. It helps me atleast ,at a great deal! Summary : If you're finding it difficult to read this book on your own , try listening to this narrative and read along !
No! If you know one who has suffered under these many christian morals then , one only needs to read this once to understand it from his own very heart. Read it more than once and this is because you have not experienced christianity itself as a whole.
I'm eternally grateful that my mind was never subjected to the horrible poison of religion before I was capable of making my own judgements. To hear those who can't shake the idea of the first sin is saddening as their life is for nothing and the only hope remains is for someone new to replace them
I love how it starts with “since you read this you are special”, and of course everyone who reads it will just suppose they have those admirable traits haha.
Hats off to all the narrators. It's really difficult for me to just sit down idly and read a book. I process information much better when I'm in motion, so I prefer to listen to it in audio form over my headphones while I'm working or even just walking outside. I think they all did a great job. I already knew Nietzsche's works were very deep, of course. But I didn't expect for a book that's almost about to be 130 years old to feel so intimately relevant to this very day and speak to me on such a personal level. It's quite ironic because I am a socialist. A communist no less. But I'm not the type of socialist Nietzsche rightfully scorned. It's clear in the way he speaks of socialists that he's referring to the socialists of his own time. The 19th century Utopian Socialists, who huddled around in communes and tried to make everyone behave the same. I agree with Nietzsche that this specific kind of socialism, this "barracks socialism" if you will, is basically slave morality in its purest form. Another allegory is that its akin to the "socialism" one would see as a rank-and-file soldier in the military, just without the officers. It's a repressive equality, it enforces equality not by uplifting everyone but by compressing everyone down to the same mediocre level under a tight, iron ceiling. It is truly abominable to even think about. So why am I a communist if I acknowledge this fact? Because communism, not utopianism, doesn't concern itself with hierarchy in the abstract. Communism doesn't deny natural hierarchy, nor seek the fool's errand of "abolishing" it. It's only concerned with a single specific hierarchy that is as man-made as religion. The hierarchy of class. And this specific hierarchy is not one that values nor rewards the attributes Nietzsche considered _noble._ On the contrary, the system of wage labor is even better at imposing equality-through-mediocrity than even Christianity or the socialists he despised. Strong and weak, intelligent and unintelligent, creative and incurious, noble and mediocre alike are all reduced to cogs in a monolithic profit-generating machine. Alienated from their own labor. And who stands at the top? The most mediocre few humanity has ever been cursed with. Only exceptional in one quality, as professional parasites. And in spite of their great privilege and opulence, they too concede their ability to be human. Even more than the worker. They have sacrificed it to be agents of Capital, and they can't break from it even if they wanted to. Their "god" is stock numbers on a board, and they are more devout than any hermit or priest. Doesn't Nietzsche also say that for one to be noble they must rely on their own will and engage in self-overcoming? Is that not the ultimate form of power to Nietzsche? If one relies on trampling the wills of others and exploiting them, that is not nobility. That is weakness, the domination being nothing but compensation for that inner weakness. A truly powerful and exceptional _super man_ has no need of that, his power is self-evident to any who look upon them. So tell me, does Mark Zuckerburg, Jeff Bezos, Joe Biden, Donald Trump, Elon Musk, or any of these other bourgeois figures represent that to you? Are they really the epitome of human creativity, genius, strength, nobility, and civilization to you? Are they the "Übermenschen?" Our capitalist system certainly thinks so, that's why they are at the top! And look at the world this money-based class system has produced after centuries of unchallenged rule on a global scale. Are you happy? Is this the flourishing, enlightened higher society of the future that Nietzsche spoke of? I don't think so. Quite morbid if it is. If humanity is _naturally_ categorized the way Nietzsche outlines: with a few who are either exceptional in strength/resolve or intelligence, and the rest is a mass of pettiness and mediocrity, then the best way for nature to take its course and manifest itself is in a classless society. A clean slate from the artificial constraints of property and the superstition of infinite profit. One where labor is what one chooses, where people treat work as their luxury for personal growth and not their begrudging means of survival, where the principle of distribution is accorded with one's contribution to society, and without the barriers of economic inequity repressing the intellectually exceptional. My "equality" is one that represses no one, and uplifts everyone who WANTS to be uplifted. Rewards those who are not satisfied with a simple life and want to do more. That's my socialism. It's not based on a lofty abstract ideal to religiously impose on reality. I care about this life and this material world as much as Nietzsche does. And I do my best to make sure my ideals FOLLOW from material reality and scientific inquiry, not in futile conflict with it. And if Nietzsche is correct that a truly noble elite will emerge even from a classless society, which everyone undoubtedly acknowledges as such and they push humanity forward beyond its supposed limitations, I am perfectly content with that as a communist. That is an "elite" that I can get behind. That's just not the elite that I see now.
"March or croak, march or croak All your lives a cosmic joke Fill your days with piss and smoke The wolf waits at your door Burn and dance, burn and dance Sex, death, torture, false romance Whoop and howl, you have no chance Burn and rise no more". Motorhead I posted this while romancing about the annihilation of China.
Decadence can be described as a worst kind of conditional love. It's love exclusively towards weak and sick. How wonderful in comparison to this disease is world around us. Rain falls equally on rich and poor, healthy and sick 🙂
@@belialah Yes we’re all very upset that the same people who told us about: Santa Clause, The Easter Bunny, and the tooth fairy Lied to us. We now have a whole society of petulant children who think selfishness is enlightenment.
OnePhoenix77 patchy facial hair to hide a weak chin and wears a fedora. Please tell me this is satire? Only thing missing is you asking her "how do you do maaa layydeeee?".
The 1st and 4th readers are awesome. The 3rd one made me laugh out loud until I adjusted. I thought of a mix between Ben Stein and Andrew Solomon. I love this book because I agree with much of it, learned much from it and enjoyed his savagery.
What an exceptional work of Nietzche. His view is not something that most people would say "pessimistic" but rather a liberating. Well, except for the despise againts women
Once the concept of nature had been opposed to the concept of God, the word natural necessarily took on the meaning of abominable. In letting God sit in judgment they judge themselves; in glorifying God they glorify themselves.
Truly incredible this is, though NOT AT ALL for the faint of heart. As Nietzsche warns immediately upon reading, only the most open of people are best qualified to consider what are probably the greatest criticisms of Christianity EVER, but that doesn't essentially make us materialists!
Thank you for the time and effort. Intonation, though, and character of the voice is essential in transferring the meta/supra-physical and psychological concepts efficiently.
If your parents and community are religious where there is no stealing, raping and killing then run and save yourself. Religion is necessary when all hell breaks loose, but outside hell religion kills life with too much heaven.
This sounds just like the Me, Me, Me culture we suffer these days. Whatever is evil springs from this point of view. The only way humanity will survive is to work together in community.
everything he writes about christianity is true. Even now, writing this, the word christianity is red under lined because I refuse to write it with a capital C. When I write science in under-cast I don't get a warning I made a mistake. When they start writing Science with a capital S, I will start writing christianity with a capital C.
+Roland Wieffering Nietzsche despised science and its "Socratic" men. The Birth of Tragedy makes the case that science destroys culture, and humans suffer when culture dies.
It is much nuanced than that. Nietzsche was a very penetrating and subtle thinker, he dispraised and praised at the same time. He praised science as much as he criticized, and Socrates for that matter.
He hated aspects of Science but to say he hated Science is very simplistic. He followed Science of that day carefully and was enamoured with it's findings (I'm sure you know this, though). Either way, if he liked it or not. Roland has a point and unless we are blind followers of Nietzsche, what he thought, isn't a knock down argument. He would hate blind followers.
Or because Christianity is a proper noun, representing an institution. While science represents a study and thus shouldn't be capitalized unless it's a language. But of course, outrage trumps proper grammar, and if you try hard enough you'd find blame for anything before your own understanding.
the followers of the ancient prophet Zarathustra, small population are 99% honest and ethical dscent people. I went to primary & Secondary schools with few. They are more optimistic with positive views of life.
Real Strength and moral integrity beyond good and evil is obtained when the will is harnessed like a wild animal to one inner mastery...the way of the no dual heart ...an other order of being the advent that has yet to dawn upon the. creatures of this existential abyss
Look into that ancient esoteric print, it has many aspects including the possibility for misinterpretation of terms. Meaning letters or syllables could be silent or placed to pretense making the perception distorted. I swathes from a analysis.
Administrative remedy is the acquisition of truth . Whatever one becomes in this world despite this world and its nature is based on a Trust that defilement deceivement and development is a birthright. Being anything or Being nothing is just being ?
"Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed." "When we are tired, we are attacked by ideas we conquered long ago." "What was a lie in the father becomes a conviction in the son." "The worst enemy you can meet will always be yourself." "If you crush a cockroach, you're a hero. If you crush a beautiful butterfly, you're a villain. Morals have aesthetic criteria." "In loneliness, the lonely one eats himself; in a crowd, the many eat him. Now choose."
The Rogue Satanist, Fictitious or not, it seems beyond stupid to worship a supposed being of pure evil; unless you yourself are evil. Satanist have no moral batting position on anything. It seems to me only sick fucks or people pretending to be edgy would worship a being that knowingly shakes the hands of pedophiles. Maybe y’all know nothing about y’all’s False God. Nevertheless, in the end He will fall, and you with him.
@@frankcastleisdead7473 to me it seems interesting. Since they are people, it is rather easy, in our misunderstanding of them, to disacknowledge them whatsoever. But, of course, there is a reason for their beliefs. And for people who tend to disengage from morality - to dispatch from the norm, that belief is usually well founded. Therefor, when approaching someone like this, I think it better to approach with curiousity rather than anger. Do not assume stupidity on others. Only those who tell you they are not stupid. Be it by their form of behaviour, or speech, such as my own.
אילן גולדנברג Whether Satan be real or not he’s the bad guy. Again, it’s stupid to worship the bad guy. Pedophilia is dispatching from the norm yet it’s still sick. In short, your point is irrelevant. Also, I didn’t come here with anger. I came here with a reasonable response to a stupid comment that’s since been deleted because I debunked his nonsensical utterance of words.
I am talking about opinions, not general diversions. and "good" and "bad" are unclear concepts. being the "bad guy" doesn't make you anything. if you had, for once, at least tried to read or listen to some of what the satanists are saying, than they see satan as a symbol for a rebel of some kind. again, I don't fully understand it. but it doesn't mean I wouldn't listen. I do find it interesting ,yet unclear, since they claim they don't believe in anything.... whilst they still perform rituals.
אילן גולדנברג Assumptions, assumptions, assumptions. You know nothing about me. Hence the reason why you assume I haven’t listened to their ideals (Satanist’s). Firstly, I don’t criticize an idea that I know nothing about. Granted, I’ll usually approach it with some level of skepticism but I rarely denounce an idea right when I meet it. Secondly, good and bad are very clear concepts. Seriously, this game of intellectual dishonesty involving morons that claim good and bad are unclear concepts is truly going to destroy my brain cells. I for the life of me will never understand the stupidity behind it. Example: If I raped your Mom while you watched and then cut her head off and forced you to stick your cock in her bloody mouth what would you consider that; Good or Bad? In no rational or sane world is something like that anything less than worse than evil. Therefore, it’s clearly bad. Now, if I took a less extreme example for the sake of clarity it’ll have the same result. If I steal money from a kind elderly couple that is also clearly bad. What you people don’t realize is this, if you read the diaries of the Columbine Killers you’d know that all this stupid blurring of the lines between right and wrong and good and bad does nothing more than justify everything they did. After all, this is the argument of a lot of psychopaths that do terrible things; “there’s no such thing as good or bad so I can do whatever the fuck I want.” Well now, that Sir is bullshit. Once you move or blur the lines you invite the crazies, it’s happened countless times throughout History, but I don’t expect people that believe this foolish nonsense to know anything about History.
“In loneliness, the lonely one eats himself; in a crowd, the many eat him. Now choose.”
- Friedrich Nietzsche
Fantastic 👌
Nice posting . " Hell is truth seen too late " - In a critique about Hobbes .
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And yet, at the risk of of blaspheming against one of my true idols, Has this saying been understood??
Are these two choices the only choices??
N. himself says that being alone (not lonely) is a prerequisite for many great things... I have been dealing with the "crowd" for decades, since I became or decided to not keep on believing on this particular ghost. The greatest gift I ever gave myself. Now it is commonplace to be "atheist" but thirty, forty, years ago, not so much. Christian teachers failed me in their courses as a result, and much more... I wasn't argumentative, but back then just STATING your view of it all made you enemies.
Good luck.
But I'm a fruitarian!
The first reader was immense.
Such a pity he wasn't reading the entire work.
It felt as though he matched Nietzsche's simmering rage.
Voice- yes. Most cursory check how to pronounce German words- scandalous ,obtuse disregard. Who says "Freedraik" for Friedrich.Is it obvious to those few in our country with IQ above 83 points to remember that "ch" is not "K", but"H".
I LIKED HIM TOO HE SOUNDS VERY MUCH LIKE JOE GOLDBERG FROM THE SHOW "YOU"
“Full audiobook”?
Yes his reading was perfect. It was as if he wrote the book himself. I had to skip the woman in the middle who has no business reading a book like this publically with that level of casual disengagement. Thankfully the last reader saved it, he was almost as good as the first one.
I like to go into bookshops and take Nietzsche from the philosophy section and place him in the self help section
Hehe great idea 👏👏
This same help could ruin someone. Ask Niezsche if he thought EVERYONE could handle what he was saying. Hellllllll nooooooo
🤣 if I saw you doing this, I would make you be my friend!
@@papitodd indeed, infact he addresses this in thus said zarathustra
@@papitodd exactly; not everyone likes hearing truths, and not everyone can’t handle it.
This guy is a lyrical genuis. Top 5 rappers dead or alive.
😂😂😂😂
Best MC to ever swing a pen.
more like black metal musicians. or at least punk. totally different culture.
@@hatecraft6669 did you hear this Socrates diss track, or that song where he ether jesus
@@oranebrown2169 yeah on beyond good and evil where he humiliates the stoics and the greeks is awesome. And yeah jesus and priest desecration everywhere :))
This man wrote more powerfully than anyone who ever existed. Even religious books don't speak with so much power.
The definition of a truly mighty pen.
... How could It more than Anyone Not Existing 😂... My Sister Does That... Oh and ME.. A member of the JIBBERATI... Greetings from Saturn
I am 76 years old and I'm asking myself where has Nietzsche been all my life. Hw many time have I
heard his name and never really investigated his writings. I have read many of his books in the past
seven months and realized how poor i was and for the past seven months I am enriched.
You live and learn age no barrier 👍😎
Most ppl never read Nietzsche. Any benefit ya get is great! :)
I am scared to listen to this audiobook.
@@briellehunter7233 don't be scared Amanda. We listen together ok. Just wrap your arms round my neck and cuddle ok. Don't let go hold on tight. Yes, you can kiss me if you want.
I've read Nietzsche and he's a misogynistic pig who has no understanding of basic biblical truth. Ended up losing his mind. That's what happens to all the people who take up his philosophies
From a former Christian, this was a breath of fresh air!
Did you throw the baby out with the bathwater?
Jesus dont leave Mathew even though he has left you amen.
Come back to the light
Good slaves... (rubs hands together)@@dpavlovsky
@@joeybeann your "light" is a mere delusion of dogmatism, a sickness; certainty. get well, and only then can you begin painting beautiful pictures
I am profoundly moved by this, nearly to tears. Since my early formative years, I was indoctrinated, infected, by this theological influence, this "decadence" Nietzsche is speaking of. Once I was able to fight my way back to my own core; my own body, mind and soul, I still had to keep fighting this infection... and still do.
Thus I am alone often. Yet I've found an outlet to creatively express this yearning, integrating my inner darkness with the rest of "me".
I am grateful to Nietzsche, Jung, and others; Nietzsche being the one who articulated this revelation of human truths MOST profoundly. He rose above his own suffering and endured for a long time, being a testimony to his own philosophy.
The indoctrination from which he freed me first was the nihilistic modernism that kids were fed in french school, gen X. A church without faith, the last one. We had to be anti that.
early 20's?
@@Iwantalloftheinformation Made me laugh hard. Once i read "thus" i cringed so hard i had to check who replied to this.
I read this book in college as a philosophy history major...I've been hooked on Nietzsche ever since....
I'm 23 years old, and even the struggle to grasp all of what he says compels me to further educate myself, stand alone his actual words that wait to be understood
And i am learning english listening this audiobook
Very difficult
As someone your senior by a few years, there are not many men worth looking further into. Nietzsche, Aquinas, Plato, Jesus, perhaps stand alone.
Oh my Self! If Nietzsche isn't the most articulate of all the scholars I have come
across, I don't know who is! That said, I am still in the absorption process; it has been days, not hours, that I have been drinking this food for thought. When I put it down is the time I decide whether or not I can swallow it. As for yet, I am compelled by his powerful rhetoric. Thank you for this channel.
I love your writing style. Keep it up
Eat up chowderhead
You can see how this influenced the Nazis
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The reason Nietzsche is popular is because with relatable language he puts things in a way more people can grasp onto, Other philosophers are logician/mathematicians which will reveal our intellectual true colors if we were to read them.
Or they are quasi-religious apologists, like Aquinus or Augustine. Pathetic boors compared to the "bracing heights" where Nietzsche soars.
I know I have listened to this while sleeping many times. It comes up on auto play. Listening to it awake I swear I’ve read it.
"Pity is the technique of nihilism. This depressing and contagious instinct, stands against all those instincts which work for the preservation and enhancement of life. In the role of protector of the miserable. It is the prime agent in the promotion of decadence and nihilism". - Frederick Nietzsche
I don't get it. In this particular instance he doesn't seem to be very fond of nihilism.
@@kimgysen10i dont think nihilism is a good thing. Why would you be fond of it
The narrator of this work does an awesome reading of “Studies in Pessimism” by Schopenhauer. It’s worth checking out, if you enjoy this.
narrators
Thanks , this is terrific audio book narration - Kinda sounds like the actor in " Dexter " .
I just went through saying how great the narrator is , also in " Twilight If The Idols " , and they changed narrators .
Schopenhauer is the goat
I have doubts but sure I'll check it out....
In order to really appreciate and comprehend this work, one must have a similar experience. Nietzsche was the son of a Protestant preacher who died when our boy was only four. Nevertheless, Protestant Christianity was the dominant ideology of his childhood. In school, he found three currents that aided him in his struggle to free himself from that domination. Classical Greek and Roman literature, modern literature such as Goethe and Schopenhauer and lastly Science and Darwinism.
This is why it is in America that he is still so popular and important. The kind of Protestant Domination that he struggled against still exists here, perhaps more than anywhere else. Here in America, he is a living ally against a still powerful enemy. Elsewhere he is a historical footnote. In America reading Nietzsche can still be an aid to self-liberation where as in most other places it is"beating a dead horse."
gary mize Nice US observation 👍
@Mr Heck Because N. was only interested in attacking the dominant
paradigms of his time ( @1888 . )
A condemnation of Christianity is only still relevant where Christianity is still a dominant force.
@Taco Bell Valet you are right, I did not mean to say that about all of Nietszche but this one book "The Antichrist"
this extended attack on Christianity would only seem relevant where said Christianity still had the power to oppress and keep people ignorant like in the USA which is not really the case in England or Denmark or places like that.
Nietzsche "Jesus did not die for our sins but for his own"
Is that shocking?
Is that revolutionary?
Does that shake your world?
Not to me it is not.
I heard Patti Smith day the same thing 40 years ago.
The only "claim" I am making is that this book "The Antichrist " is much more relevant to people who are still in the grips of the old time religion than it would be for people who have already moved on from it. And that more of those types of people are to be found in the good old US of A than in Europe.
If you think that is "utterly baseless then you are untitled to your opinion.
But for my part I think your objection is entirely bovine in nature.
Nietzsche's views on Christianity as expressed in this book was ahead of its time in 1888
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But is it still ahead of this time 2020?
If you listen to this whole book is there anything in it you have not already been exposed to?
The point is that only where people still believe in the Christianity as an organized relegion is an attack on such a Christianity.
For a person who already does not believe in such a thing for someone who was never brought up to believe in such a thing. The whole book is like beating a dead horse.
If you never believed in that type of Jesus you might as well read a book that demonstrates how the tooth fairy is just a myth.
"Nihilist and Christian..they rhyme in German... and they do more than rhyme." Nietzsche has made me laugh out-loud few times now, brilliant fellow, thank goodness for his work.
Rudolph and Adolf... they rhyme in English... and they do more than rhyme
@@JW-bs7xp bro🤣🤣
"The time of heroes is dead, Wiglaf. The Christ's god has killed it, leaving humankind with nothing but weeping martyrs, fear and shame." - Beowulf, from the eponymous film by Robert Zemeckis
Damn that first reader's voice and vocalizations really fit the tone. That third one was pretty ooof
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Thank you
Am I the only one who's genuinely grateful this man lived?
Charles Lawrence No Charles, you are not!
maby if you were alive in the 1800's
Why would you be the only one ?
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Thank you. I had the actual book about 10 years ago but I gifted it to a friend. I look forward to listening.
the first two readers are actually pretty good, but the third is unfortunately rather dull.
Harder to follow
Who are they?
A male whom has a touch of anger to their voice is required for Nietzsche (imo).
Gotta love old Nietzsche.. Thanks for uploading this!
I tried reading the book online myself but could not focus on what i was reading nor did i understand many words ,
insead now i am playing this audio book while also reading the book with this video's narrator and pausing to transalte unknown words.
It helps me atleast ,at a great deal!
Summary : If you're finding it difficult to read this book on your own , try listening to this narrative and read along !
is everything in this recording? Im just curious because not every section was proclaimed
Great idea! Stopping the check meaning. This way you can also learn pronunciations, and develop philosophical vocabulary.
That needs 3 or10 more listens before I understand it all.
find the book and read as u listen...seeing the concepts also helps with understanding them
Paul King this is one of his last books . perhaps if you started with an earlier work like "The Dawn"
No! If you know one who has suffered under these many christian morals then , one only needs to read this once to understand it from his own very heart. Read it more than once and this is because you have not experienced christianity itself as a whole.
Can someone tell me if this is from his perspective or from the antichrist perspective?
Mark Henderson if you look up the book reading the introduction and preface it seems to be his perspective.
I'm eternally grateful that my mind was never subjected to the horrible poison of religion before I was capable of making my own judgements. To hear those who can't shake the idea of the first sin is saddening as their life is for nothing and the only hope remains is for someone new to replace them
I have such a love hate relationship with Nietzsche's work
agreed
I think he had a love/hate relationship with his own work
This is among his most poignant work. Makes me tear up at times.
I love how it starts with “since you read this you are special”, and of course everyone who reads it will just suppose they have those admirable traits haha.
Yes I copped that too.. Very clever marketing, massage your customers ego..
@@tomc5560 Well, he did invent the overman, which is the ultimate massage of ego. Welcome to the overman club :D
@@logiconlyzone thanks I'll have to check that out.. This was my first taste of nietchze
@@tomc5560 My favorite is Marcus Aurelius and stoicism, something Nietzche is not a fan of.
@@tomc5560 no, he really meant it that the book would only be understood by few
I found an original copy of this book on am abandoned house basement alongside other books they are worn out but god they all are absolutely amazing
Damn, he explains what I have always thought and felt of Christianity and modernity so profoundly.
So you pretty much like to trashtalk Christians right ?
@soclestudio7489 Not Christians but their beliefs, most Christians don't actually live according to their religion.
This should be required reading (or listening) in high school. Not for the literary value, but the themes.
To true oh so true sister👍😎
Perhaps you could listen again. Required?? State schooling... Don't give up.
Required programming of any kind = fundamental tyranny of mind
@@boneman538 totally agree
Are you kidding me? This is just childish and pretentious.
Big appreciation for the readers. Thank you librivox and contributors for this great reading.
This was fucking savage.
Hats off to all the narrators. It's really difficult for me to just sit down idly and read a book. I process information much better when I'm in motion, so I prefer to listen to it in audio form over my headphones while I'm working or even just walking outside. I think they all did a great job.
I already knew Nietzsche's works were very deep, of course. But I didn't expect for a book that's almost about to be 130 years old to feel so intimately relevant to this very day and speak to me on such a personal level.
It's quite ironic because I am a socialist. A communist no less. But I'm not the type of socialist Nietzsche rightfully scorned. It's clear in the way he speaks of socialists that he's referring to the socialists of his own time. The 19th century Utopian Socialists, who huddled around in communes and tried to make everyone behave the same. I agree with Nietzsche that this specific kind of socialism, this "barracks socialism" if you will, is basically slave morality in its purest form. Another allegory is that its akin to the "socialism" one would see as a rank-and-file soldier in the military, just without the officers. It's a repressive equality, it enforces equality not by uplifting everyone but by compressing everyone down to the same mediocre level under a tight, iron ceiling.
It is truly abominable to even think about. So why am I a communist if I acknowledge this fact? Because communism, not utopianism, doesn't concern itself with hierarchy in the abstract. Communism doesn't deny natural hierarchy, nor seek the fool's errand of "abolishing" it. It's only concerned with a single specific hierarchy that is as man-made as religion. The hierarchy of class. And this specific hierarchy is not one that values nor rewards the attributes Nietzsche considered _noble._ On the contrary, the system of wage labor is even better at imposing equality-through-mediocrity than even Christianity or the socialists he despised. Strong and weak, intelligent and unintelligent, creative and incurious, noble and mediocre alike are all reduced to cogs in a monolithic profit-generating machine. Alienated from their own labor. And who stands at the top? The most mediocre few humanity has ever been cursed with. Only exceptional in one quality, as professional parasites. And in spite of their great privilege and opulence, they too concede their ability to be human. Even more than the worker. They have sacrificed it to be agents of Capital, and they can't break from it even if they wanted to. Their "god" is stock numbers on a board, and they are more devout than any hermit or priest.
Doesn't Nietzsche also say that for one to be noble they must rely on their own will and engage in self-overcoming? Is that not the ultimate form of power to Nietzsche? If one relies on trampling the wills of others and exploiting them, that is not nobility. That is weakness, the domination being nothing but compensation for that inner weakness. A truly powerful and exceptional _super man_ has no need of that, his power is self-evident to any who look upon them. So tell me, does Mark Zuckerburg, Jeff Bezos, Joe Biden, Donald Trump, Elon Musk, or any of these other bourgeois figures represent that to you? Are they really the epitome of human creativity, genius, strength, nobility, and civilization to you? Are they the "Übermenschen?" Our capitalist system certainly thinks so, that's why they are at the top! And look at the world this money-based class system has produced after centuries of unchallenged rule on a global scale. Are you happy? Is this the flourishing, enlightened higher society of the future that Nietzsche spoke of? I don't think so. Quite morbid if it is.
If humanity is _naturally_ categorized the way Nietzsche outlines: with a few who are either exceptional in strength/resolve or intelligence, and the rest is a mass of pettiness and mediocrity, then the best way for nature to take its course and manifest itself is in a classless society. A clean slate from the artificial constraints of property and the superstition of infinite profit. One where labor is what one chooses, where people treat work as their luxury for personal growth and not their begrudging means of survival, where the principle of distribution is accorded with one's contribution to society, and without the barriers of economic inequity repressing the intellectually exceptional. My "equality" is one that represses no one, and uplifts everyone who WANTS to be uplifted. Rewards those who are not satisfied with a simple life and want to do more. That's my socialism. It's not based on a lofty abstract ideal to religiously impose on reality. I care about this life and this material world as much as Nietzsche does. And I do my best to make sure my ideals FOLLOW from material reality and scientific inquiry, not in futile conflict with it. And if Nietzsche is correct that a truly noble elite will emerge even from a classless society, which everyone undoubtedly acknowledges as such and they push humanity forward beyond its supposed limitations, I am perfectly content with that as a communist. That is an "elite" that I can get behind. That's just not the elite that I see now.
I love this book it is my favorite work of Nietzsche. Rip
Me to . band by catholic church so it most be good 👍😎
@@standziobek7108what
"March or croak, march or croak
All your lives a cosmic joke
Fill your days with piss and smoke
The wolf waits at your door
Burn and dance, burn and dance
Sex, death, torture, false romance
Whoop and howl, you have no chance
Burn and rise no more". Motorhead
I posted this while romancing about the annihilation of China.
Why?
I have finally found what I had been looking for. Thank you for uploading this.
You're welcome
Nietzsche was not a monster but he understood monsters.
Decadence can be described as a worst kind of conditional love.
It's love exclusively towards weak and sick.
How wonderful in comparison to this disease is world around us. Rain falls equally on rich and poor, healthy and sick 🙂
Omg....the priest refered to as the "holy parasite"....lmao😂...love it
Interesting. Thanks to those who contributed towards the reading, compiling and uploading of this work.
One arrives with the courage of one's convictions. Embrace your convictions, like a bouquet to a wedding.
The fact that a woman is reading this is so ironic to what Frederick is saying I don’t think he would want a woman to read his work as an audiobook
About 14 minutes and I realized it was Bob of Bob’s Burgers reading the Anti-Christ
A Jewish dude from Cleveland. Close enough tho. They couldn't get Woody Allen.
😅😅😅
Very enjoyable. I wasn't impressed with Minnie Mouse turning up an hour and a half in to take over narration however.
this is his best work imo
love you're channel name and concept, thank you
How did he write a book about my ex wife without ever meeting her? Was he a clairvoyant as well? Fascinating.
Lol
he was simply so sensitive to the human condition that it is congruent with just about everything when he speaks.
My fav book of all time. After reading it, I started buying his complete works.
You a Nazi yet?
@@DaxBruce-kv4vf Not yet. Extremly surprised that his father was a priest and he was into God in his adolescence.
@@belialah Yes we’re all very upset that the same people who told us about: Santa Clause, The Easter Bunny, and the tooth fairy Lied to us. We now have a whole society of petulant children who think selfishness is enlightenment.
@@DaxBruce-kv4vf I am, wanna learn?
@@lambdasun4520 sure, let’s start with your childhood. Tell me where he touched you?
such a beautiful book
I think that most people think that they understand it than people who really understand it.
why he is so hated and one of the most misunderstood philosophers
@@dragonfishing read osho rajaneesh books
dragonfishing he wrote in a way as to deliberately deceive and confuse his readers.
Blue Jacky osho had a gift , but he was no Nietzsche.
John Harrison no , he certainly condemns Christianity and anything remotely religious .
the EQ is a bit unbalanced when switching to other readers and some of their voices are a bit 'grating', but very good video
At 1:56MN it is HARD CORE PHILOSOPHY !
Each sentence can be a book
Absolutely! I am so thankful it was recommended by a fellow commenter on a video about the movie Anti-Christ.
@@janelle009 ohhhh wait that must be a good movie then?
Did he predict the birth of Chris Walken?
Pow!
Thanks for uploading this in my country I had a hard time finding this book in English
kristelloo try powells
This video is actually uploaded on UA-cam...
batboyko 🤣
Which country do you live in ?
OnePhoenix77 patchy facial hair to hide a weak chin and wears a fedora. Please tell me this is satire? Only thing missing is you asking her "how do you do maaa layydeeee?".
The 1st and 4th readers are awesome. The 3rd one made me laugh out loud until I adjusted. I thought of a mix between Ben Stein and Andrew Solomon. I love this book because I agree with much of it, learned much from it and enjoyed his savagery.
Good ol Ben Stein. Glad I saw your comment, gave me a laugh! 🙃
The Clear Eyes commercials he did always cracked me up. Or maybe it was visine. That voice though is unmistakable! Lol
@@janelle009 Bueller, Bueller, Bueller.....
@@thorinhannahs4614 Love that movie! I didnt realize he started out as a speech writer for Nixon.
@@janelle009 Damn! I didn't know that. I know he had his Bueller role, the clear eyes commercial and I believe he hosted a game show.
So much truth, if that's the proper word, thank you Nietzsche for allowing me to reclaim my conscience
Two days ago iwas in Babyllon and confirmed the relics Natshehs words are true
what do you mean, about the city of babyllon ?
Please expound….
What an exceptional work of Nietzche. His view is not something that most people would say "pessimistic" but rather a liberating. Well, except for the despise againts women
I'm okay with this recording up until section 43. She hits the word "bigot" and her whole demeanor changes and becomes too spiteful to tolerate.
3:38 start
44:40
2:36:14
Once the concept of nature had been opposed to the concept of God, the word natural necessarily took on the meaning of abominable.
In letting God sit in judgment they judge themselves; in glorifying God they glorify themselves.
One of my favorite parts in the book
Truly incredible this is, though NOT AT ALL for the faint of heart. As Nietzsche warns immediately upon reading, only the most open of people are best qualified to consider what are probably the greatest criticisms of Christianity EVER, but that doesn't essentially make us materialists!
Thank’s for the upload. It’s wonderfyul. I’ll buy the book for further study
Based on the comments, I suspect there are a lot of early 20 somethings who posted.
Yeah... Looking for a shortcut probably
Going from 44:00 to 44:20 you can really see why a male should be doing the read for a book like this.
Fell asleep listening to this and got offended when she kept droning over me. "Do you know of Dionysus?..... well fu and this stuck up party!"
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56:45
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Amazing book, Thank you for uploading.
Thank you for the time and effort. Intonation, though, and character of the voice is essential in transferring the meta/supra-physical and psychological concepts efficiently.
I do not agree .A word's meaning does not change by saying it differently
I love the second reader. Very clear.
If your parents and community are religious where there is no stealing, raping and killing then run and save yourself. Religion is necessary when all hell breaks loose, but outside hell religion kills life with too much heaven.
This sounds just like the Me, Me, Me culture we suffer these days. Whatever is evil springs from this point of view. The only way humanity will survive is to work together in community.
Yup
Pales in comparison to the evils of the church
Wrong
That third reader... may take a while to attune to.
the keen eye for reality....reality goes back a long way, comrade.
everything he writes about christianity is true. Even now, writing this, the word christianity is red under lined because I refuse to write it with a capital C. When I write science in under-cast I don't get a warning I made a mistake. When they start writing Science with a capital S, I will start writing christianity with a capital C.
+Roland Wieffering
Nietzsche despised science and its "Socratic" men. The Birth of Tragedy makes the case that science destroys culture, and humans suffer when culture dies.
It is much nuanced than that. Nietzsche was a very penetrating and subtle thinker, he dispraised and praised at the same time. He praised science as much as he criticized, and Socrates for that matter.
You're blind.
He hated aspects of Science but to say he hated Science is very simplistic. He followed Science of that day carefully and was enamoured with it's findings (I'm sure you know this, though).
Either way, if he liked it or not. Roland has a point and unless we are blind followers of Nietzsche, what he thought, isn't a knock down argument. He would hate blind followers.
Or because Christianity is a proper noun, representing an institution. While science represents a study and thus shouldn't be capitalized unless it's a language. But of course, outrage trumps proper grammar, and if you try hard enough you'd find blame for anything before your own understanding.
A great man will always know there's a creator, and a great man will Delight in his creator.
🤡
3rd reader is hard to listen to but what a great book
1:41:06 - excellent
My Favorite by Nietzsche w Zarathustra, Will to Power... thank u 4 this!!! Make God dead again!
the followers of the ancient prophet Zarathustra, small population are 99% honest and ethical dscent people. I went to primary & Secondary schools with few. They are more optimistic with positive views of life.
cleanly instincts...interesting idea .... all is not destroyed, brother but yes, we have been tramppled
He really starts hollering towards the end.........
God makes your heart real again after
I disagree with Nietzsche that no one would understand the bad god. People would understand all too well they just wouldn't want to.
Brilliant
Great guy, Nietche... And also Spinoza, are the best
Real Strength and moral integrity beyond good and evil is obtained when the will is harnessed like a wild animal to one inner mastery...the way of the no dual heart ...an other order of being the advent that has yet to dawn upon the. creatures of this existential abyss
Very cool and convenient.
"The last Christian died on the cross"
How to destroy all moral authority of a organisation in a single sentence.
Jesus, first and last Christian
@Gil of Assyria Titus Flavian
@Gil of Assyria Thank you. Adding him to my stops
Look into that ancient esoteric print, it has many aspects including the possibility for misinterpretation of terms. Meaning letters or syllables could be silent or placed to pretense making the perception distorted. I swathes from a analysis.
Administrative remedy is the acquisition of truth . Whatever one becomes in this world despite this world and its nature is based on a Trust that defilement deceivement and development is a birthright. Being anything or Being nothing is just being ?
Great difficulties to listen to the southern bible belt lady's accent
"Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed."
"When we are tired, we are attacked by ideas we conquered long ago."
"What was a lie in the father becomes a conviction in the son."
"The worst enemy you can meet will always be yourself."
"If you crush a cockroach, you're a hero. If you crush a beautiful butterfly, you're a villain. Morals have aesthetic criteria."
"In loneliness, the lonely one eats himself; in a crowd, the many eat him. Now choose."
no longer cheerful, the warriors....now he's reinforcing the monarchy...of well.
"What's more harmful than any vice? Practical sympathy for the botched and the weak, christianity."
The Rogue Satanist, Fictitious or not, it seems beyond stupid to worship a supposed being of pure evil; unless you yourself are evil. Satanist have no moral batting position on anything. It seems to me only sick fucks or people pretending to be edgy would worship a being that knowingly shakes the hands of pedophiles. Maybe y’all know nothing about y’all’s False God. Nevertheless, in the end He will fall, and you with him.
@@frankcastleisdead7473 to me it seems interesting. Since they are people, it is rather easy, in our misunderstanding of them, to disacknowledge them whatsoever. But, of course, there is a reason for their beliefs. And for people who tend to disengage from morality - to dispatch from the norm, that belief is usually well founded. Therefor, when approaching someone like this, I think it better to approach with curiousity rather than anger. Do not assume stupidity on others. Only those who tell you they are not stupid. Be it by their form of behaviour, or speech, such as my own.
אילן גולדנברג
Whether Satan be real or not he’s the bad guy. Again, it’s stupid to worship the bad guy. Pedophilia is dispatching from the norm yet it’s still sick. In short, your point is irrelevant. Also, I didn’t come here with anger. I came here with a reasonable response to a stupid comment that’s since been deleted because I debunked his nonsensical utterance of words.
I am talking about opinions, not general diversions. and "good" and "bad" are unclear concepts. being the "bad guy"
doesn't make you anything. if you had, for once, at least tried to read or listen to some of what the satanists are saying, than they see satan as a symbol for a rebel of some kind. again, I don't fully understand it. but it doesn't mean I wouldn't listen. I do find it interesting ,yet unclear, since they claim they don't believe in anything.... whilst they still perform rituals.
אילן גולדנברג
Assumptions, assumptions, assumptions. You know nothing about me. Hence the reason why you assume I haven’t listened to their ideals (Satanist’s). Firstly, I don’t criticize an idea that I know nothing about. Granted, I’ll usually approach it with some level of skepticism but I rarely denounce an idea right when I meet it. Secondly, good and bad are very clear concepts. Seriously, this game of intellectual dishonesty involving morons that claim good and bad are unclear concepts is truly going to destroy my brain cells. I for the life of me will never understand the stupidity behind it. Example: If I raped your Mom while you watched and then cut her head off and forced you to stick your cock in her bloody mouth what would you consider that; Good or Bad? In no rational or sane world is something like that anything less than worse than evil. Therefore, it’s clearly bad. Now, if I took a less extreme example for the sake of clarity it’ll have the same result. If I steal money from a kind elderly couple that is also clearly bad. What you people don’t realize is this, if you read the diaries of the Columbine Killers you’d know that all this stupid blurring of the lines between right and wrong and good and bad does nothing more than justify everything they did. After all, this is the argument of a lot of psychopaths that do terrible things; “there’s no such thing as good or bad so I can do whatever the fuck I want.” Well now, that Sir is bullshit. Once you move or blur the lines you invite the crazies, it’s happened countless times throughout History, but I don’t expect people that believe this foolish nonsense to know anything about History.
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A real mental bomb.
Unsavory truths.
do as thou wilt,will create a great world...
2:36:20 🔥🔥🔥