@@joaquinportobello6523 i get it but still its his choice on that matter thats what i believe but as a viewer if u r not really funny or creative about it using f word is a little cringe for me. especially against your host in a game of commander it almost feels toxic if u overuse it.
If this was really suppose to be CEDH, Lynch would've sat there and watched David mill the opponent out AND THEN Swords to Plowshares the Painter's Servant.
My thought exactly. You only interact with stuff that will make YOU lose, or make an opponent win in cEDH, generally. Had there been some politics and deals involved, I could see it maybe happening.
David: cEDH is always about timing. Aethervile puts a creature into play at instant speed. Next time pass the turn and before your next turn mill out someone then on your turn mill out another person. Timing and the stack bud. IHYH: Thanks for another Episode.
Michael was a great include for the show. He's fun, smart, and doesn't waste time. He doesn't even read the cards as he plays them. I wish you all did that. Unless someone asks, is new, or it's an obscure card from the Dana Roach and my era, there is no need to waste time reading it. It is being put on screen for those that need to pause and read it. Edit: Sleeved or not you don't want hot sauce on your damn cards guy...
There's new people playing the game (like myself) and I appreciate they read the cards so I can understand better the game before going into a real EDH table.
As a new commander player (i.e. last 6 months) I'm loving the shows and about to sign up to the Patreon. I'm Australian and we swear like sailors and whatnot, but I have to say David's immaturity and swearing really made this episode a grind to watch.
There are many cedh decks that are not on the database. The database are just the most comon and established decks that are optimized to a point where very few people change the list when playing one of them. There are many decks outside of the database that are either more niche lists or are still being optimized. That's why on the database there is a brew section with decks that the community tries to optimize and a outdated section with decks that are still powerful but can't keep up with the current meta as well as they used to.
I'm sure another comment has mentioned it however, as an FYI Lynch, next time you should hit the Elsha with the pyroblast (it is a blue permenant), with the first sensei's top activation on the stack so Sean has not drawn any cards yet
one thing with shortcutting the win at the end is that mike could have tried to destroy it with the trigger of the top on the stack so he couldn't respond but sean probably had other ways to win
Would he still be able to respond to pyroblast? Im not sure because he has to recast sensei everytime to draw a card unless he had flash for artifacts that im not seeing
If David wants to CEDH then he need to Mulligan for a more interactive hand. Also Lynch could have stopped the loop if he timed it correctly. When lab man resolved and Sean tapped to draw the next card Lynch could have blown up the lab man. Also the fact that he said he drew lab man and was casting it, I assumed at first that top was on top of the deck. The casual nature that the loop was presented when asked for it to be played out made timing impossible to determine for interaction.
The correct way to stop this combo is in response to tapping the top you pyroblast the lab maniac. The draw effect won't have resolved so he won't be able to draw to an answer.
30:48 im not quiet sure about this one and it wouldnt have mattered anyway, but dos the colossus's replacementeffect not replace all 6 cards being milled?
No. Cards are drawn and milled one at a time with each card on the stack individually. Imagine "mill 6 cards" as 6 copies of "mill a card" on the stack. When the Darksteel Colossus would go to the graveyard, it replaces that effect with a shuffle above the other copies of "mill a card" that are still on the stack. Hope that makes sense.
@@justseewut1tdoo12 Actually not 100% correct. The real answer is that once an effect starts resolving, you finish resolving it. Anything that is triggered by something during that effect will actually trigger after it has finished resolving. So the Brainfreeze says: Mill 6. Once you hit Darksteel Colossus, you do not put that one into the graveyard, as it replaces being put into the graveyard. It would want to be shuffled into the library immediately, but that is not legal until the current effect has finished resolving. Always finish resolving what started resolving.
I normally don't comment about rules mistakes (unless replying to someone else), but since this one is so overwhelmingly common, I figured I should tell you how this works so you know for next time. Teferi's Protection doesn't cause you, the player, to phase out. Players can't phase out in the first place! This is what Teferi's Protection says: "Until your next turn, your life total can't change, and you have protection from everything. All permanents you control phase out." That means that, until your next turn, these things happen: - Nothing can cause your life total to change, regardless of circumstance (e.g., if an effect would cause you to lose life, you don't); - Nothing can target you, deal damage to you or enchant you; - All your permanents are phased out and treated as if they didn't exist. Since you're not gone (your permanents are), things can affect you! For instance, someone can win the game (or cause you to lose the game via an effect) without any issues. Teferi's Protection doesn't do anything about that - you never even _get_ a next turn to see things phasing back in. If someone wins the game while Teferi's Protection's continuous effect is active and your permanents are phased out, they just do, and the game is instantly over. (There's a few other mistakes, but this one's common enough to warrant being mentioned. While we're at it, you can't use Elsha's ability to recast Sensei's Divining Top while something else is on the stack because the Top doesn't have flash, but he could've just drawn his whole deck first and then cast his spells, so he could've just had the FoW in his hand.)
Elsha doesn't give artifacts flash, true. But she does give all non-creature spells cast from the top of your library flash, which includes Top if it's on top of your library
Someone correct me if I am wrong but when pyroblast was on the stack targeting lab maniac.. Elsha would have had only been able to draw one card off of the sensei’s top when he went digging for the counter spell due to there being no flash. (He wouldn’t be able to cast the top of the top of his deck) I didn’t think you could respond to something on the stack at sorcery speed regardless if it was your turn or not
The ideas was right but the timing was wrong. In this cases you should pyroblast the labman when sensei's divining top is tapped, that way the combo player has to resolve the stack first before continuing the combo
36:38 So Unfortunately this isn't how this would work either. Teferi's Protection doesn't have the same clause that Angel's grace has where it says "You can't lose the game this turn and your opponents can't win the game this turn." Teferi's prot just gives you a slew of other protections that mainly guard your life total, but they are entirely defenseless against effects that just state "You win, or your opponents lose." It also doesn't guard your library, your graveyard, or your hand, mainly just your permanents on the board and your life total. Elsha op.
It's like any other card. The effect matters when it's on the field. You aren't gaining an emblem or anything else that signifies you get the effect after it is gone
@IHateYourDeck If I'm reading the loop correctly, in response to the Pyroblast he could not keep drawing cards, as the loop is not instant speed since the Sensei's Top has to be repeatedly cast. There was no way to dig for the Force of Will.
The sensei's Divining Top has flash via Elsha's ability, and the stack is continuously suspended since he can cast the sensei, then once the cast has resolved, he can then use the sensei's ability to draw and put on top on response to the pyroblast still on the stack
Important to note here that if Lynch had blown up Elsha either in response to the ugin being played or waited till after lab man resolved and the top trigger to be on the stack to remove the creature... would have been better plays then casting it as a counterspell when Sean could just continue the combo to find the answer
I have an Awaken the Blood Avatar deck that pops!!! I was buzzing to see yours in action. Mine focuses on copying the blood avatar token as many times as possible!
Lol you said cEDH and no1 brought Krarkashima or Blue Farm... Also first turn tapland > go is not typical in cEDH. I'm just on turn1 as of this posting so maybe I'll be surprised! I still love the content stay killin it
sean could only have drawn 1 more card with pyroblast on the stack, the top needs to resolve to tap. so he could draw in response and recast but that's where the stack would have ended, assuming that force of will wasn't in his hand already.
Great content! Sad to see that you only share decklists on Patreon, mainly because other mtg channels with Patreon share them in their videos’ description😕
How did he draw at instant speed. He has the ability to cast from the top of his library but I'm un aware of how he is casting the top at flash speed to repeat the process. He shouldn't have been able to counter.
Couldn't Lynch have played Pyroblast on Elsha in response to the cast of Ugin? That would have stopped the infinite combo from happening that turn at least.
I wanna say with the sensei's combo, the best time for interaction is when the top is tapped, ability is activated but top is still on the field. If the blast was used here right after the labman on the field, he couldn't continue drawing. Granted, he would have waited till the deck was empty first before playing the labman.
Sensais top lets u draw a card and put it on top. You can cast it from the top of your deck but not at flash speed. It is just an artifact. He would not have been able to keep drawing cards for a response
Sean, you can respond to Lynch's Smothering Tithe trigger and keep doing your Sensei's thing, drawing anything you want, and casting noncreatures from the top of your library, all at instant speed while the Smothering Tithe triggers just stack up.
I think that Elsha doesn't provide Instant Speed to Artifacts. I might have missed something, but I don't think he should have been able to play Top at Instant Speed and draw all those cards. He wouldn't have had Force.
Definitely not CEDH. Closer to high power if anything but still a great and interesting game regardless! They should do a cedh day though and someone should make them experience slicer and najeela lol
Would love to see a nekusar deck played i have one if you want the list but i dont have dual lands. I got one shock and one scalding tarn. But the deck is very very mean
Formal decree: From this day to the end of days, Thieving Skydiver shall now be known as Skeeving Thighdiver.
David entering his edgy teen phase 😂
yeah that kid needs to chill a little with f words and everything its kinda annyoing after awhile.
And "joking" about his dad being dead. Not cool for those of us who have that harsh reality
Little fat guy with Inferiority complex....
@@joaquinportobello6523 i get it but still its his choice on that matter thats what i believe but as a viewer if u r not really funny or creative about it using f word is a little cringe for me. especially against your host in a game of commander it almost feels toxic if u overuse it.
He learned bad words a week ago!
David reminds me of a kid that just figured out he is allowed to swear for the first time and boy did he abuse it hahaha
he has progressed as a "man" , he used "F***" as "sentence enhancers" lol
If this was really suppose to be CEDH, Lynch would've sat there and watched David mill the opponent out AND THEN Swords to Plowshares the Painter's Servant.
My thought exactly. You only interact with stuff that will make YOU lose, or make an opponent win in cEDH, generally. Had there been some politics and deals involved, I could see it maybe happening.
Where's Larry?
Was thinking the same thing!
His essence surrounds every game
He died 😢. His mustache ashes were moved to an urn in the office.
Hope he's ok the Rip was a little unsettling
Not every episode has to have Larry tbh
“I’m just going to play sensi top.”
Aka, the best card in my deck. 😂
Reason why it’s $23 card
@@DarkPikachuYTV it’s good overall, it’s the best card in his deck, because of his commander.
"In Memorandum"... so, Larry is in the office or in court! 😂
David when he asked if you're gonna pyroblast it😂😂 34:48
David: cEDH is always about timing. Aethervile puts a creature into play at instant speed. Next time pass the turn and before your next turn mill out someone then on your turn mill out another person. Timing and the stack bud.
IHYH: Thanks for another Episode.
Skeeving thigh diver .. now I need an alter master to make one for me ..
I have been working on a high powered bruvac since he came out. Literally my favorite deck with 3 different versions. Would love to see David’s list
I just started building Bruvac. Mind sharing your list(s)?
"I will play a Mountain" "Fuck Ya! That's cEDH" LMFAO
Michael was a great include for the show. He's fun, smart, and doesn't waste time. He doesn't even read the cards as he plays them. I wish you all did that. Unless someone asks, is new, or it's an obscure card from the Dana Roach and my era, there is no need to waste time reading it. It is being put on screen for those that need to pause and read it.
Edit: Sleeved or not you don't want hot sauce on your damn cards guy...
There's new people playing the game (like myself) and I appreciate they read the cards so I can understand better the game before going into a real EDH table.
As a new commander player (i.e. last 6 months) I'm loving the shows and about to sign up to the Patreon. I'm Australian and we swear like sailors and whatnot, but I have to say David's immaturity and swearing really made this episode a grind to watch.
Double Fuck You fits pretty well with IHYD
David was fiesty today
There are many cedh decks that are not on the database. The database are just the most comon and established decks that are optimized to a point where very few people change the list when playing one of them. There are many decks outside of the database that are either more niche lists or are still being optimized.
That's why on the database there is a brew section with decks that the community tries to optimize and a outdated section with decks that are still powerful but can't keep up with the current meta as well as they used to.
WHERES THE MAN WHO ACCOMDATES THE LOVELY MUSTACHE
The flavor saver
RIP Davids dad. He was a great man.
On today I learned, theres an extra R in adarkar wastes
I get you can in response tap the top and draw them place the top on top of the deck. How does it then get out at instant speed to continue the loop?
Elsha is my main Commander deck, so I can't wait to see how this one goes.
The same way every Elsha deck goes.
David full said "Alright in response i'm gonna cast Guilt Trip"
Lynch got more tool shirts than I have magic cards lmaoooo
great video as always my dudes
David talking mad spicy for having a deck thats countered by having infinite gyre in the deck
Wonder if it could of worked if you pyroblasted his labman with the top tap on the stack.
David: *About to kill a player*
Lynch: In response
David: *concerned look* Let me have this Lynch
Mono-blue deck wearing a green mana symbol shirt. Gotta love David 😂
I'm sure another comment has mentioned it however, as an FYI Lynch, next time you should hit the Elsha with the pyroblast (it is a blue permenant), with the first sensei's top activation on the stack so Sean has not drawn any cards yet
one thing with shortcutting the win at the end is that mike could have tried to destroy it with the trigger of the top on the stack so he couldn't respond but sean probably had other ways to win
gotta teach david about always having protection
he's lucky nobody taught his dad either
Would he still be able to respond to pyroblast? Im not sure because he has to recast sensei everytime to draw a card unless he had flash for artifacts that im not seeing
Elsha gives all non-creature spells cast from the top of your library flash.
If David wants to CEDH then he need to Mulligan for a more interactive hand. Also Lynch could have stopped the loop if he timed it correctly. When lab man resolved and Sean tapped to draw the next card Lynch could have blown up the lab man. Also the fact that he said he drew lab man and was casting it, I assumed at first that top was on top of the deck. The casual nature that the loop was presented when asked for it to be played out made timing impossible to determine for interaction.
The correct way to stop this combo is in response to tapping the top you pyroblast the lab maniac. The draw effect won't have resolved so he won't be able to draw to an answer.
Big advocate for all things cEDH. 😅 🔥 Look forward to seeing more faster paced games
30:48 im not quiet sure about this one and it wouldnt have mattered anyway, but dos the colossus's replacementeffect not replace all 6 cards being milled?
No. Cards are drawn and milled one at a time with each card on the stack individually. Imagine "mill 6 cards" as 6 copies of "mill a card" on the stack. When the Darksteel Colossus would go to the graveyard, it replaces that effect with a shuffle above the other copies of "mill a card" that are still on the stack. Hope that makes sense.
@@justseewut1tdoo12 Actually not 100% correct. The real answer is that once an effect starts resolving, you finish resolving it. Anything that is triggered by something during that effect will actually trigger after it has finished resolving. So the Brainfreeze says: Mill 6. Once you hit Darksteel Colossus, you do not put that one into the graveyard, as it replaces being put into the graveyard. It would want to be shuffled into the library immediately, but that is not legal until the current effect has finished resolving. Always finish resolving what started resolving.
bro that Extus deck is SICK
I normally don't comment about rules mistakes (unless replying to someone else), but since this one is so overwhelmingly common, I figured I should tell you how this works so you know for next time.
Teferi's Protection doesn't cause you, the player, to phase out. Players can't phase out in the first place! This is what Teferi's Protection says: "Until your next turn, your life total can't change, and you have protection from everything. All permanents you control phase out."
That means that, until your next turn, these things happen:
- Nothing can cause your life total to change, regardless of circumstance (e.g., if an effect would cause you to lose life, you don't);
- Nothing can target you, deal damage to you or enchant you;
- All your permanents are phased out and treated as if they didn't exist.
Since you're not gone (your permanents are), things can affect you! For instance, someone can win the game (or cause you to lose the game via an effect) without any issues. Teferi's Protection doesn't do anything about that - you never even _get_ a next turn to see things phasing back in. If someone wins the game while Teferi's Protection's continuous effect is active and your permanents are phased out, they just do, and the game is instantly over.
(There's a few other mistakes, but this one's common enough to warrant being mentioned. While we're at it, you can't use Elsha's ability to recast Sensei's Divining Top while something else is on the stack because the Top doesn't have flash, but he could've just drawn his whole deck first and then cast his spells, so he could've just had the FoW in his hand.)
Elsha doesn't give artifacts flash, true. But she does give all non-creature spells cast from the top of your library flash, which includes Top if it's on top of your library
Someone correct me if I am wrong but when pyroblast was on the stack targeting lab maniac.. Elsha would have had only been able to draw one card off of the sensei’s top when he went digging for the counter spell due to there being no flash. (He wouldn’t be able to cast the top of the top of his deck) I didn’t think you could respond to something on the stack at sorcery speed regardless if it was your turn or not
Commander makes it flash
The ideas was right but the timing was wrong. In this cases you should pyroblast the labman when sensei's divining top is tapped, that way the combo player has to resolve the stack first before continuing the combo
36:38 So Unfortunately this isn't how this would work either. Teferi's Protection doesn't have the same clause that Angel's grace has where it says "You can't lose the game this turn and your opponents can't win the game this turn."
Teferi's prot just gives you a slew of other protections that mainly guard your life total, but they are entirely defenseless against effects that just state "You win, or your opponents lose."
It also doesn't guard your library, your graveyard, or your hand, mainly just your permanents on the board and your life total.
Elsha op.
ive used pull from eternity to get tef protection back with flash and cast it from grave with a past in flames ahahah
36:22 you can see on their faces that cEDH win is fun (joking)
i have that elsha combo in my Ich tekik sakashima golem tribal deck. though i use mystic forge in replace of elsha.
You sure Painters Servant’s effect is only when it’s out? I thought it’s for the rest of the game
It's like any other card. The effect matters when it's on the field. You aren't gaining an emblem or anything else that signifies you get the effect after it is gone
It's a static effect. Imagine that it's same as "all white creatures get +1/+1"
Skeeting thigh diver is what I call thieving skydiver from now on
Pls give us every Friday a new episode oder longer videos 🤗
@IHateYourDeck If I'm reading the loop correctly, in response to the Pyroblast he could not keep drawing cards, as the loop is not instant speed since the Sensei's Top has to be repeatedly cast. There was no way to dig for the Force of Will.
The sensei's Divining Top has flash via Elsha's ability, and the stack is continuously suspended since he can cast the sensei, then once the cast has resolved, he can then use the sensei's ability to draw and put on top on response to the pyroblast still on the stack
That's the first time I've ever seen someone do the Top combo with an Ugin
Wrong timing for red elemental blast, it may be cast in response on sensei divining's top tap ability.
19:28 - "but this is what makes it CEDH"
nah man, CEDH players NEVER beg, they acknowledge the optimal play like playing a land.
obviously ignoring that lynch should have done it before his upkeep and lost an opponent :P
Yea that would have been his best play. Less players mea s less people to counter you.
Important to note here that if Lynch had blown up Elsha either in response to the ugin being played or waited till after lab man resolved and the top trigger to be on the stack to remove the creature... would have been better plays then casting it as a counterspell when Sean could just continue the combo to find the answer
Lynch, or you happen to have a Kenrith deck you'd play on the show?
Maybe david should of held on to the grindstone activation? He could of activated it in response to targeted removal like the swords??
21:15 I keep thinking colorless counts but generic doesn't. I can never keep it straight in my head.
the grindstone kill was all instant speed... should have been held until Michael's end step.
Forbidden Friendship
Capture Sphere
Cathartic Reunion
All from Ikoria art tells a story of the unnamed Dino and Human
Stopped the video to go buy that fabled passage!!
woah that david guy seems pretty aggressive he should chill out
Oh yeah. David needs to chill. Lol.
Who does he think he is?!
DAVIDDD
MF’s dad gave him some cards and now he’s feeling himself 😂
I have an Awaken the Blood Avatar deck that pops!!! I was buzzing to see yours in action. Mine focuses on copying the blood avatar token as many times as possible!
My favorite part of every other friday! Another awesome game!
LOL I knew immediately when lynch saved Shawn that was the biggest mistake of the game
RIP LARRRRRRRY YNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO....... he will be missed dearly.. until next episode i hope! WITH SKY
When is the MTG creators cup going down?
Standard, brawl, oqthbreaker, commander and cEDH
Spicy game and David don’t give no f’s. Love it. Keep up the great work guys !
Extus Boi could've casted his commander to make Elsha get sacced, potentially putting that combo behind.
Lol you said cEDH and no1 brought Krarkashima or Blue Farm... Also first turn tapland > go is not typical in cEDH. I'm just on turn1 as of this posting so maybe I'll be surprised!
I still love the content
stay killin it
sean could only have drawn 1 more card with pyroblast on the stack, the top needs to resolve to tap. so he could draw in response and recast but that's where the stack would have ended, assuming that force of will wasn't in his hand already.
Coud have stopped the combo responding to the top activation rather than the lab man cast, using the destroy effect of pyroblast.
So what did we learn kids? Always bring protection! :P
Great content!
Sad to see that you only share decklists on Patreon, mainly because other mtg channels with Patreon share them in their videos’ description😕
Skeeving thigh-diver! 😂
How did he draw at instant speed. He has the ability to cast from the top of his library but I'm un aware of how he is casting the top at flash speed to repeat the process. He shouldn't have been able to counter.
Awaken the Blood Avatar! Heck yes
Finally new episode!
Why not activate aether vial at instant speed when you know people are tapped?
Couldn't Lynch have played Pyroblast on Elsha in response to the cast of Ugin? That would have stopped the infinite combo from happening that turn at least.
Mike the only thing you could of done different is Pyroblast Elha in response to Ugin being casted. Otherwise, great game!
🧂David 🧂David 🧂David 🧂haha. Can't win 'em all bud.
I wanna say with the sensei's combo, the best time for interaction is when the top is tapped, ability is activated but top is still on the field. If the blast was used here right after the labman on the field, he couldn't continue drawing. Granted, he would have waited till the deck was empty first before playing the labman.
Go David! Mill for the win.
#F**k Mountains”(David, 2023)
that was a fun episode! David was super sassy LOL but he should have had that protectionnnnn! GG!
Can't cast sensei's divining top at instant speed, so he would have only been able to draw one card in response to Pyro Blast
Read his commanders ability dog 😂
Sensais top lets u draw a card and put it on top. You can cast it from the top of your deck but not at flash speed. It is just an artifact. He would not have been able to keep drawing cards for a response
Read elshas ability😂
Elsha gives all non-creature spells cast from the top of your library flash.
Sean, you can respond to Lynch's Smothering Tithe trigger and keep doing your Sensei's thing, drawing anything you want, and casting noncreatures from the top of your library, all at instant speed while the Smothering Tithe triggers just stack up.
David sounds like Eric Cartman XD
he got the looks as well, tbh :)
Lynch could've targeted Elsha with Pyroblast in response to Ugin being cast, right?
Wow a lab man win in cedh, consider my mind blown. Incredibly fun and incredibly engaging content.
I think that Elsha doesn't provide Instant Speed to Artifacts. I might have missed something, but I don't think he should have been able to play Top at Instant Speed and draw all those cards. He wouldn't have had Force.
Elsha gives all non-creature spells cast from the top of your library flash.
Sorry, moxman, you didn't get any real thing from the package
Pretty sure the R is silent in adarkar 😂 ggs
Lesson learned: always Thieving Skydiver the Sensei's Top from the Elsha player
Youd only waste the trigger. They can use sensei's tap ability to put it on top of their deck in response to you attempting to steal it
I mean technically anything CEDH if your just using the colors
Could've killed Elsha with that Pyroblast when Ugin was on the stack?
TBH it's true i do want to see Elsha do things
David ate his Wheaties this morning, goddamn.
Why did you guys go back to showing a different version of the card that was played? 🙁
Definitely not CEDH. Closer to high power if anything but still a great and interesting game regardless! They should do a cedh day though and someone should make them experience slicer and najeela lol
As a fellow Bruvac player, I support his playstyle, FU.
Why just pyro elsha to prevent loop?
Would love to see a nekusar deck played i have one if you want the list but i dont have dual lands. I got one shock and one scalding tarn. But the deck is very very mean