@KettlebottomCrew thanks so much, upon further investigation i found the dremel has a flex shaft drive which makes it about 3 ft away from the motor. good info for anyone starting out there, thanks again for all the advice.
Thank you for this video! Bone carving is fascinating! I, like a few others I'm sure, wish we could go back to the days before machines and back to hand-carving and living off the land. I crave that actually, and I am always looking for ways to revert back to ancient techniques. Seems nowadays it's actually MORE expensive to do it that way than with machine help! :( Nothing is more satisfying than making your own clothing/food/shelter. :)
@Roz2288 It's a figure-eight lashing and is finished by pulling the tag end through the lashing with a loop, lashed alongside the hook. It's pretty complicated to teach...
It's an awesome hobby-- and the materials can come very cheaply! (Petco!!) The Dremel-like tool that Louie uses has a motor and a long, flexible shaft that keeps the motor away from the dust. He said a Dremel will work but will inhale a lot of dust and will burn out eventually. He said he got his tools at Sears and that you can be fully outfitted for about $300.
I had a friend with a normal face until one of those disks exploded. I am guilty myself of no face shield. Love the work, beautiful and thanks for sharing.
@cipm66 No problem! Louie is a master craftsman and, unlike most other artists with a speciallized niche, is happy to share his knowledge. I, too, would love to see how the ancient Hawaiians did their hooks...
was looking at the Dremel 400 Series MultiPro Rotary Tool Kit + 80 Accs , wondering if its a disadvantage to the tool by it being rechargeable or is it better to have a power rotary tool? what is the brand he uses? what drives it? had the pleasure of meeting louie a week ago at my uncles, him his wife and son and sons mate. nice people, just so happened to be getting back into bone carving and the contemporary "grandfather of bone carving in the pacific" happened to be visiting my uncle
Louie said the tools cost about $300 but will last for years. I, too, would like to get into it some time. As soon as I have the money, I'm going to Sears to get myself set up! Ty
@applespelonker There are a variety of materials other than bone-- such as bull horn (which can come in black or brown,) pearl shell, which can be golden or silver in color, or other materials like that.
@bulletneck1518 Louie uses a 3 part hand-braided cord for the neck cord. It has a Buffalo-horn toggle at one end and a Loop Splice makes the loop at the other end. He lashes the hook to the cord with Waxed Nylon cord.
I'm not sure where Louie got that thingy in particular but you should be able to find a lot at a hardware store or lumber yard. There are also resources, such as jewelry making catalogs, that offer more speciallized bits...
Wow! That's amazing. I'm looking to do some small bone carving pieces for art, a face like Edvard Munch's 'The Scream', but I don't have any of those machines, could you give me any tips and suggestions as how I could do it all by hand?
@TheBoufhead Dremel tools work very well, however the motor is very close to the working end of the tool and therefore will inhale a lot of dust and eventually burn out. Louie uses an electric carving motor and handpiece, which are quite a bit more expensive, but the motor and handpiece are separated by about 3 feet. They both work in a very similar fashion, however, so a Dremel would be a cheaper way to start out...
@cipm66 I wonder myself-- they used stingray spines for files, shark skin for sandpaper, and other natural materials for carving and shaping. It must have been EXTREMELY time-consuming! Interestingly, they also used Human bone in pre-contact days! It was actually an act of honor for the deceased to make hooks from their remains...
@MaskoftheWraith If you buy a Dremel tool and a few burrs, you can do a lot. I would definitely suggest also getting a Jeweler's saw (like a coping saw, with a really thin blade) to do the rough cut. I have carved hooks based on Louie's designs with nothing more than a Jeweler's saw, fine files, and sandpaper though it takes a lot more time. Once you get into it, I'll bet you'll end up buying more tools but a cheap Dremel, Jeweler's saw, and sandpaper will get you started...
@KettlebottomCrew Thank you very much! What kind of bone would you recommend for using a Dremel tool, Burrs and a Jewller's saw? Like any particular bone that's generally the perfect size and density for such tools or would any bone do?
@KettlebottomCrew--Hi, I love this demo. Louie is a super talented man. I'm a dental technician and make teeth out of porcelain and carve teeth everyday. I've also made many things out of bone too. I use a dental handpiece, dental burs and a 400,000 RPM highspeed contra angle dentists handpiece for super intricate detail. Ask your local dentist if he has and old handpiece, burs and polishers he does not want anymore. They work GREAT too.
That is a excelent advice about dentist handpiece and burs ! It is interesting that you utilised your skill as dental technician to bone carving it makes sense . Dentist burs are realy fine compare to burs for metal etc
@xricoxm Thank you! Try it at home-- it's awesome! You can do it with a low-cost Dremel but those carving motors are where it's at. I did one hook with no power tools at all-- just the Jeweler's saw and a small hobby file. I only used the buffer to polish...
@KettlebottomCrew "time-consuming" In this new time, we forgot to be patient, we became very addicted to techonologie and forgot the old knowledge. We should learn from these small communities that are still having "old school"... anyway this is a personal opinion. In fact this is the nice face of YT you share us your knowledge even we didn't know each other. Thank you again.
Louie has been carving many, many years and really knows his stuff. I have done a few hooks and it definitely takes me much longer to do!! The hook Louie did for me took him about 30 minutes in real time. If you're interested in his other carvings, search for his name (Louie "the fish" DeNolfo) with Google and his website should pop right up...
@sketched1315 Yeah, I just got all the tools myself and will get into it, too. I've made about a half dozen hooks with Louie and have a lot of fun with it. It's a really relaxing, laid-back hobby that I'll definitely really love. ps. Yes, the bone dust is a bit stinky-- but non-toxic, thankfully...
It is a motor and handpiece made just for carving. I'm not sure of the make or model. If you use diamond bits and carve wet, I think Jade should carve up with no problem...
@bulletneck1518 I'm not sure exactly what the tan cord is. All I know is that the main cord necklace is a 3 part braid, done with a non-braided Nylon material, and has a loop splice at one end and a Buffalo Horn toggle at the other end. The smaller lashing cord is thin braided Nylon and is waxed. You can contact Louie through his website, at LouieTheFish (all one word) to see what he uses...
@lordcheesepuff Awesome-- keep me posted! We also have Louie showing how to carve a Bone Dolphin, too, if you'd like a bit more info before you begin. Search "Kettlebottom" and "bone dolphin."
I am learning to bone carve... if the bone is slightly brown in the middle, should i carve it? does the bone have to be white throughout to carve into a hook?
You can get in touch with Louie-- search Louie The Fish to find his website or facebook page. He's always happy to share knowledge and feedback with fellow carvers, especially new ones!!
You should see Louie carve other things. He does incredible fish, turtles, whales, dolphins, squid, octopus, etc, etc... His passion is fish and fishing and his art reflects this passion. Check out his website! Search louiethefish.
@MaskoftheWraith For cheap and easy materials, head to Petco or another pet supply shop and buy beef leg bones that have been cut to length. Pick out one that has thick walls, cut it lengthwise into slabs (you should get three out of each piece) and get carving! It's a lot of fun and you can afford to get a lot of bone for little cash...
Louie starts with a Ryobi band saw to get a rough size; then moves onto a jeweler's saw; then onto a double ended grinder with an 80 grit sanding disk; and then Louie uses a flexible shaft motor and hand piece- essentially an old school Dremel to perfect the lines; then about ten minutes with 320 grit sand paper by hand; and finally, a final buff with a polishing wheel. Hope yours comes out great! We'd love to see pictures!
Dammit! I'm so sorry, somehow i thumbed down the video. Please forgive me. I didn't mean it, your video is amazing, by the way what is the best way to remove the marrow from the bones?
The stupid questions are the ones you don't ask, any craftsman will share knowledge.It is a bench grinder and he's changed the grinding wheels for the tool ends he is using.
@harpleblues Ancient people used all sorts of (low-tech) stuff-- sea urchin spines for files, shark skin for sandpaper, stone for abrasives, etc. Who knows what they could've produced with modern tools!!
I wish he would share the lashing technique but he won't. I asked him and he said no, which I don't understand. This full video was available a few years ago then it disappeared.
Check out the Kettlebottom website. You can find the full version of this video under the web-only section. On the video, you can see how to carve the hook in much more detail and see how to lash it to a line. Enjoy and good luck...
@KettlebottomCrew May actually be good for you?? Don't think so! I used to grind off 20-30 per day and oh my goodness if I didn't wear a mask then about 3 days later the dust in my system - nose and throat - stank terribly. It'd be fine to grind them off when theres a decent wind blowing - but then the neighbours will complain lol...
+ibozzy i dont know if you are still looking for it but i found it its a Split Cylinder Mandrels www.amazon.com/Split-Cylinder-Mandrels-Sanding-Paper/dp/B0088P472G
I carve bonefolders and japanese clasp for boxmaking. Congratulations you are a master Louie.
@KettlebottomCrew thanks so much, upon further investigation i found the dremel has a flex shaft drive which makes it about 3 ft away from the motor. good info for anyone starting out there, thanks again for all the advice.
I really appreciate you sharing your expertise in this craft ,thank you very much.
Thank you for this video! Bone carving is fascinating! I, like a few others I'm sure, wish we could go back to the days before machines and back to hand-carving and living off the land. I crave that actually, and I am always looking for ways to revert back to ancient techniques. Seems nowadays it's actually MORE expensive to do it that way than with machine help! :( Nothing is more satisfying than making your own clothing/food/shelter. :)
Yes there are many of us that long for that life. Maybe we'll get lucky and get hit by a giant solar flare.
@Roz2288 It's a figure-eight lashing and is finished by pulling the tag end through the lashing with a loop, lashed alongside the hook. It's pretty complicated to teach...
It's an awesome hobby-- and the materials can come very cheaply! (Petco!!) The Dremel-like tool that Louie uses has a motor and a long, flexible shaft that keeps the motor away from the dust. He said a Dremel will work but will inhale a lot of dust and will burn out eventually. He said he got his tools at Sears and that you can be fully outfitted for about $300.
I had a friend with a normal face until one of those disks exploded. I am guilty myself of no face shield. Love the work, beautiful and thanks for sharing.
EXCELLENT JOB, FRIEND ...
Can you please post a video on lashing the hook? I just got back from Hawaii and I love this artwork. Thanks for sharing.
@cipm66 No problem! Louie is a master craftsman and, unlike most other artists with a speciallized niche, is happy to share his knowledge. I, too, would love to see how the ancient Hawaiians did their hooks...
That's a great video, you sure have made it look easy
was looking at the Dremel 400 Series MultiPro Rotary Tool Kit + 80 Accs
, wondering if its a disadvantage to the tool by it being rechargeable or is it better to have a power rotary tool? what is the brand he uses? what drives it?
had the pleasure of meeting louie a week ago at my uncles, him his wife and son and sons mate. nice people, just so happened to be getting back into bone carving and the contemporary "grandfather of bone carving in the pacific" happened to be visiting my uncle
Very nice. Simple but beautiful.
THANKS A LOT FOR THIS VIDEO, HELP ME A LOT !!!
Louie said the tools cost about $300 but will last for years. I, too, would like to get into it some time. As soon as I have the money, I'm going to Sears to get myself set up!
Ty
@applespelonker There are a variety of materials other than bone-- such as bull horn (which can come in black or brown,) pearl shell, which can be golden or silver in color, or other materials like that.
What is the name of the Dremel? Will it work when whet if I was to grind Jade?
Thank you for sharing.
I wonder how long it would take for carving without modern tools...
@bulletneck1518 Louie uses a 3 part hand-braided cord for the neck cord. It has a Buffalo-horn toggle at one end and a Loop Splice makes the loop at the other end. He lashes the hook to the cord with Waxed Nylon cord.
I'm not sure where Louie got that thingy in particular but you should be able to find a lot at a hardware store or lumber yard. There are also resources, such as jewelry making catalogs, that offer more speciallized bits...
Wow! That's amazing. I'm looking to do some small bone carving pieces for art, a face like Edvard Munch's 'The Scream', but I don't have any of those machines, could you give me any tips and suggestions as how I could do it all by hand?
@TheBoufhead Dremel tools work very well, however the motor is very close to the working end of the tool and therefore will inhale a lot of dust and eventually burn out. Louie uses an electric carving motor and handpiece, which are quite a bit more expensive, but the motor and handpiece are separated by about 3 feet. They both work in a very similar fashion, however, so a Dremel would be a cheaper way to start out...
@cipm66 I wonder myself-- they used stingray spines for files, shark skin for sandpaper, and other natural materials for carving and shaping. It must have been EXTREMELY time-consuming!
Interestingly, they also used Human bone in pre-contact days! It was actually an act of honor for the deceased to make hooks from their remains...
@MaskoftheWraith If you buy a Dremel tool and a few burrs, you can do a lot. I would definitely suggest also getting a Jeweler's saw (like a coping saw, with a really thin blade) to do the rough cut. I have carved hooks based on Louie's designs with nothing more than a Jeweler's saw, fine files, and sandpaper though it takes a lot more time.
Once you get into it, I'll bet you'll end up buying more tools but a cheap Dremel, Jeweler's saw, and sandpaper will get you started...
@KettlebottomCrew
Thank you very much! What kind of bone would you recommend for using a Dremel tool, Burrs and a Jewller's saw? Like any particular bone that's generally the perfect size and density for such tools or would any bone do?
@KettlebottomCrew--Hi, I love this demo. Louie is a super talented man. I'm a dental technician and make teeth out of porcelain and carve teeth everyday. I've also made many things out of bone too. I use a dental handpiece, dental burs and a 400,000 RPM highspeed contra angle dentists handpiece for super intricate detail. Ask your local dentist if he has and old handpiece, burs and polishers he does not want anymore. They work GREAT too.
That is a excelent advice about dentist handpiece and burs ! It is interesting that you utilised your skill as dental technician to bone carving it makes sense . Dentist burs are realy fine compare to burs for metal etc
Do you reccommend a dust mask if doing a lot of these or is a fan to blow away the dust good enough?
@xricoxm Thank you! Try it at home-- it's awesome! You can do it with a low-cost Dremel but those carving motors are where it's at.
I did one hook with no power tools at all-- just the Jeweler's saw and a small hobby file. I only used the buffer to polish...
@KettlebottomCrew
"time-consuming"
In this new time, we forgot to be patient, we became very addicted to techonologie and forgot the old knowledge. We should learn from these small communities that are still having "old school"... anyway this is a personal opinion.
In fact this is the nice face of YT you share us your knowledge even we didn't know each other.
Thank you again.
oh that's some great stuff man! do you know where I can get some beef bones? I can't wait to try it myself ;)
Wow, soo inspirational !
Louie has been carving many, many years and really knows his stuff. I have done a few hooks and it definitely takes me much longer to do!!
The hook Louie did for me took him about 30 minutes in real time. If you're interested in his other carvings, search for his name (Louie "the fish" DeNolfo) with Google and his website should pop right up...
@sketched1315 Yeah, I just got all the tools myself and will get into it, too. I've made about a half dozen hooks with Louie and have a lot of fun with it. It's a really relaxing, laid-back hobby that I'll definitely really love.
ps. Yes, the bone dust is a bit stinky-- but non-toxic, thankfully...
it will ruin your lungs
where do you find the slotted sanding bit?
Did you find it or do I have to make one?
It’s called a split mandrel sandpaper holder.
if you want to dye these different colors such as brown, black and so forth what would you recommend?
great stuff. I need to get me a flex shaft!
I just bought a 6" PowerTec bench polisher. What size arbor and keyless chuck would be needed? Home depot isn't much help. :P
@jekof4 Louie often uses the dog chew bones from Petco!! Cheap materials!
@lordabomity Thanks! Try it at home-- it's really fun and you can make really cool things!
@jesserwin I only did one for DVD for Louie. I ended up deleting it and don't have a copy. If I re-edit it, I will let you know...
Where is the full video with the how-to on lashing?
how do you lash the cord for the necklace? i can do the figure 8 lashing but i am still finding the best way to attatch the cord.
It is a motor and handpiece made just for carving. I'm not sure of the make or model. If you use diamond bits and carve wet, I think Jade should carve up with no problem...
@bulletneck1518 I'm not sure exactly what the tan cord is. All I know is that the main cord necklace is a 3 part braid, done with a non-braided Nylon material, and has a loop splice at one end and a Buffalo Horn toggle at the other end. The smaller lashing cord is thin braided Nylon and is waxed.
You can contact Louie through his website, at LouieTheFish (all one word) to see what he uses...
@lordcheesepuff Awesome-- keep me posted! We also have Louie showing how to carve a Bone Dolphin, too, if you'd like a bit more info before you begin. Search "Kettlebottom" and "bone dolphin."
Do you use any compound on your buffing wheel?
he uses a "white rouge" polishing compound. Thanks for watching.
Thanks for the video .
I am learning to bone carve... if the bone is slightly brown in the middle, should i carve it? does the bone have to be white throughout to carve into a hook?
You can get in touch with Louie-- search Louie The Fish to find his website or facebook page. He's always happy to share knowledge and feedback with fellow carvers, especially new ones!!
You should see Louie carve other things. He does incredible fish, turtles, whales, dolphins, squid, octopus, etc, etc... His passion is fish and fishing and his art reflects this passion.
Check out his website! Search louiethefish.
Is there a way that I can get the video with him showing how to do the lashing?
@MaskoftheWraith For cheap and easy materials, head to Petco or another pet supply shop and buy beef leg bones that have been cut to length. Pick out one that has thick walls, cut it lengthwise into slabs (you should get three out of each piece) and get carving! It's a lot of fun and you can afford to get a lot of bone for little cash...
your the man Louie
What are the names of these tools u are using....
Louie starts with a Ryobi band saw to get a rough size; then moves onto a jeweler's saw; then onto a double ended grinder with an 80 grit sanding disk; and then Louie uses a flexible shaft motor and hand piece- essentially an old school Dremel to perfect the lines; then about ten minutes with 320 grit sand paper by hand; and finally, a final buff with a polishing wheel.
Hope yours comes out great! We'd love to see pictures!
Dammit! I'm so sorry, somehow i thumbed down the video. Please forgive me. I didn't mean it, your video is amazing, by the way what is the best way to remove the marrow from the bones?
Never mind, i figured it out(thumbing up again) ^^.
Imagine being an ancient man,
making those hooks with the edge of a broken stone as a rasp or sharks tooth for a blade.
@txrelichunter If your fan setup is good, you shouldn't need a dust mask. Bone dust is also not toxic and may actually be good for you!
Kettlebottom sure man sure
Stupid question, but what is the tool called that has the sanding disk and buffer on the opposite end?
That is a bench grinder that has been converted. Thanks for watching!
The stupid questions are the ones you don't ask, any craftsman will share knowledge.It is a bench grinder and he's changed the grinding wheels for the tool ends he is using.
@harpleblues Ancient people used all sorts of (low-tech) stuff-- sea urchin spines for files, shark skin for sandpaper, stone for abrasives, etc. Who knows what they could've produced with modern tools!!
I wish he would share the lashing technique but he won't. I asked him and he said no, which I don't understand. This full video was available a few years ago then it disappeared.
I played harmonica with him and I'm a carver too
WOW NICE
Check out the Kettlebottom website. You can find the full version of this video under the web-only section. On the video, you can see how to carve the hook in much more detail and see how to lash it to a line.
Enjoy and good luck...
@KettlebottomCrew i hear it's a terrible thing to breath hahaha
I posted a video showing pix of how to tie the cords on UA-cam - search 'How to make cords for carvings'
MAAASK!!
unfortunately I don't have power tools for this. so I'm gonna have to go more primitive route
@KettlebottomCrew May actually be good for you?? Don't think so! I used to grind off 20-30 per day and oh my goodness if I didn't wear a mask then about 3 days later the dust in my system - nose and throat - stank terribly. It'd be fine to grind them off when theres a decent wind blowing - but then the neighbours will complain lol...
Mean
WEAR A MASK!!!!!!
My thoughts exactly. Nothing like getting fine bone powder abrasing your lungs
6:57 he did
Where did you get the bit that holds the sand paper?
+ibozzy i dont know if you are still looking for it but i found it
its a Split Cylinder Mandrels www.amazon.com/Split-Cylinder-Mandrels-Sanding-Paper/dp/B0088P472G
Thanks, I did find them and purchased them.