Armin shimmerman, through his ability to not only bring quark to life with so much talent, but for the first time made the ferengi a little bit human and likeable if at all not loveable 😂 but his ability to play this character so darn well really in my opinion is a big part of what made deep space 9 one of the most iconic trek series.
Incidentally I thought Armin sounded off when Quark appeared on Lower Decks. Turns out he forgot how to talk with Quark’s teeth so he just sounded more like himself. If they bring Quark back, I hope someone remembers to put the teeth in the recording booth. The teeth (and the rest of the makeup) somehow adds a little extra to his performance in a way I can’t explain.
I agree, him and the others playing Ferengi actually made them one of the most interesting Star Trek species, where before on ST:TNG they were just silly caricatures.
@@liliaethArmin was so hard on himself about the first appearance of the Ferengi in TNG. Way too much IMO. That entire mess was on the writing and directing in that first season. He, Max and Aron were able to help make the Ferengi both a funny and interesting species.
@@TRoller927 honestly, I love Quark, though Nog was my fave char on DS9. But all three of them, they showed the Ferengi having different, but understandable morals to the humans, but they made it clear what those morals were built upon, and how they could still work as a functional society. that wouldn't have worked if the actors hadn't done as good as job as they did.
Quark and Nog are some of my favorite things on the show. They stand as a direct counterpoint to Gene's TNG-season-1 idea that everyone who wasn't the Federation's "evolved" society were savage a-holes. Kira, too. There's actual diversity of viewpoints, not just a parade of strawmen.
The first season of any star trek show after the first episode is basically 100 percent inconsequential stuff that is trying to draw you in and make you care about the wider cast. Imo DS9 does that better than any other bc there's so much interplay between the characters. Odo is always Javert but this episode shows that Quark can rise to the occasion and be Valjean
@@MegaZeta I definitely didn't mean to imply that the first seasons of Trek shows were inherently bad! When I said they were "inconsequential" I meant in terms of the wider plot and the way the characters evolve. I've also never seen TOS lol
Truthfully, an episode like Babel kinda makes sense narratively. It makes sense that some branch of the resistance would’ve done something to try and sabotage a Kardasian mining station. Just like in a future episode, it would make sense for there to be some secret security measures put in place in case the Bashorins ever rose up and took the station.
ATTENTION BAJORAN WORKERS! In all seriousness, I totally agree. Those two episodes, and the other ones featuring things hidden on the station during the occupation make DS9 feel like a place with actual history.
Having grown up watching these, I was always confounded why they couldn’t use more and larger screens all over. I know this was supposed to be an abandoned mining space station or whatever but even when I was 13 watching this, the giant painted graphics and everything surrounding these tiny monitors just didn’t make sense. Obviously it was a budget thing but still, it just started to be silly that it’s the future and everyone has tiny monitors everywhere that don’t seemingly display anything useful.
Yeah, I agree. It's clear they were using CRT monitors, but I think they did a lot with a little. By comparison, What was TNG really doing? It's mostly static LCARS screens and VFX for the viewscreen, if I remember correctly. DS9 may have had more actual graphics for the actors to interact with.
I like character moments but the number 1 thing drawing me into shows like star trek is cool space stuff. This episode definitely has that, even though when I started watching the show I was trying to just watch the plot related episodes.
Tbf possibly 80% of TNG episodes do very little to change things. Thats not bad; it was the nature of episodic tv at the time. I think they were still in TNG mode for that first season of DS9 before shifting to arc-driven stories. Also, I wonder why Voyager wasn’t as arc driven.
That’s what so amazing about this show. Even if the episode’s story is dogshit (DS9 fans, you know it’s comin’) you still have that episode’s character development to latch onto and enjoy.
Stop calling him Quacker for god sake. It wasn't funny the first time and it will never be funny or cute. Its just play annoying and makes you all sound ignorant.
Yeah i think it's an example of improving the setting of your story, but taking away what makes it interesting and unique. If the ferengi aren't dumping toxic waste to make a quick buck, then they've lost what made them the ferengi as characters.
@@juliandacosta6841 I don't think they ruined the Ferengi. Zek initiated a few reforms, but with a great deal of pushback. Rom undoubtedly wants to go further, but he can't flip a switch and change his society overnight. The Lower Decks episode about Ferenginar shows this. Not only do we see a hyper-capitalist planet, but Rom and Leeta pull off a small con to test Starfleet's mettle in a _very_ Ferengi way.
Um... If you want "development" or whatever, there's plenty of Telenovelas out there. Hence the name "Science Fiction". (Get it? Science is the first word) I hear "General Hospital" is still running if drama is your thing.
Armin shimmerman, through his ability to not only bring quark to life with so much talent, but for the first time made the ferengi a little bit human and likeable if at all not loveable 😂 but his ability to play this character so darn well really in my opinion is a big part of what made deep space 9 one of the most iconic trek series.
Quark: did he just say I was a bit hew-mon? I should sue for defamation!
Incidentally I thought Armin sounded off when Quark appeared on Lower Decks. Turns out he forgot how to talk with Quark’s teeth so he just sounded more like himself. If they bring Quark back, I hope someone remembers to put the teeth in the recording booth. The teeth (and the rest of the makeup) somehow adds a little extra to his performance in a way I can’t explain.
I agree, him and the others playing Ferengi actually made them one of the most interesting Star Trek species, where before on ST:TNG they were just silly caricatures.
@@liliaethArmin was so hard on himself about the first appearance of the Ferengi in TNG. Way too much IMO. That entire mess was on the writing and directing in that first season. He, Max and Aron were able to help make the Ferengi both a funny and interesting species.
@@TRoller927 honestly, I love Quark, though Nog was my fave char on DS9. But all three of them, they showed the Ferengi having different, but understandable morals to the humans, but they made it clear what those morals were built upon, and how they could still work as a functional society. that wouldn't have worked if the actors hadn't done as good as job as they did.
Fuck, he's really gonna call him Quacker for the rest of the show, isn't he?
For sure. That's why I stopped listening to their show. I just couldn't take it any more
@@roleplayer5564
a simple nickname upset you so badly? Touchy aren't we?
@jakejutras5420 the constant intentional making up names just gets really old
@@jakejutras5420 It's not funny and it's kinda annoying
Tim moment
Quark and Nog are some of my favorite things on the show. They stand as a direct counterpoint to Gene's TNG-season-1 idea that everyone who wasn't the Federation's "evolved" society were savage a-holes. Kira, too. There's actual diversity of viewpoints, not just a parade of strawmen.
Your shorts are killing me. "HELL YEAH. New episode of STN must have dropped! ... Oh. Not yet, I guess."
Love you guys.
Any episode that focuses on Quark is a good episode 😊
*cough* profit and lace
DS9 turned a race of sex pest gold gobblers into legit interesting characters.
@@potsdam28 And even there Armin tried his best to make something of the script!
Not ANY episode...but most
@@potsdam28
I actually like that one. The idea of giving women rights inevitably destabilizing society is quite the commentary.
Quark was like a brother to Odo
Quark was like a brother to Rom.
That man loves him. It's written all over his back
The first season of any star trek show after the first episode is basically 100 percent inconsequential stuff that is trying to draw you in and make you care about the wider cast. Imo DS9 does that better than any other bc there's so much interplay between the characters. Odo is always Javert but this episode shows that Quark can rise to the occasion and be Valjean
I thought Sisko is Javert ;)
@@animateddepression Sisko breaks too many rules to be Javert, imo
idk, I think the first season of the first show was amazing. But I take your point. DS9 is, at least, one of the best here.
@@MegaZeta I definitely didn't mean to imply that the first seasons of Trek shows were inherently bad! When I said they were "inconsequential" I meant in terms of the wider plot and the way the characters evolve. I've also never seen TOS lol
Sisko is only javert to eddington. Quark is more like a nice thernardier
Shimerman has some strong insight there, to understate it. Quark as a “fixer” comprises so, so many Quark stories.
As the series goes on we find that Quark is actually very scrupulous in his own way.
Dominate every chair you encounter if you want to be a leader worthy of my respect.
That's how Riker did it lmao
Truthfully, an episode like Babel kinda makes sense narratively.
It makes sense that some branch of the resistance would’ve done something to try and sabotage a Kardasian mining station.
Just like in a future episode, it would make sense for there to be some secret security measures put in place in case the Bashorins ever rose up and took the station.
ATTENTION BAJORAN WORKERS!
In all seriousness, I totally agree. Those two episodes, and the other ones featuring things hidden on the station during the occupation make DS9 feel like a place with actual history.
Please for the love of god stop calling him the Quacker 😭
lol
Quark is still my favorite character on that show, maybe of all Trek.
NO Star Trek series built their primary and secondary characters more than DS9. BIG RESPECT TO THEM!
Having grown up watching these, I was always confounded why they couldn’t use more and larger screens all over. I know this was supposed to be an abandoned mining space station or whatever but even when I was 13 watching this, the giant painted graphics and everything surrounding these tiny monitors just didn’t make sense. Obviously it was a budget thing but still, it just started to be silly that it’s the future and everyone has tiny monitors everywhere that don’t seemingly display anything useful.
Yeah, I agree. It's clear they were using CRT monitors, but I think they did a lot with a little. By comparison, What was TNG really doing? It's mostly static LCARS screens and VFX for the viewscreen, if I remember correctly. DS9 may have had more actual graphics for the actors to interact with.
@@irregularassassin6380 Yeah, it reflected better technology when shooting screens without getting weird flicker or other refresh issues.
Armin was born and raised in the next town over from me.
#JerseyGuy
I like character moments but the number 1 thing drawing me into shows like star trek is cool space stuff. This episode definitely has that, even though when I started watching the show I was trying to just watch the plot related episodes.
im sitting here, is that quark unmakuped, i know that guy, thats the noxguy from stargate
Precious Snyder is precious.
Tbf possibly 80% of TNG episodes do very little to change things. Thats not bad; it was the nature of episodic tv at the time. I think they were still in TNG mode for that first season of DS9 before shifting to arc-driven stories.
Also, I wonder why Voyager wasn’t as arc driven.
That’s what so amazing about this show. Even if the episode’s story is dogshit (DS9 fans, you know it’s comin’) you still have that episode’s character development to latch onto and enjoy.
Quark put Ferengi on the map.
Uts almost like the entire series is just them hanging out and less exploring
KWAARK
... Not Cork
Interesting that you found so much depth in these very first episodes, since they are mostly considered the worst of the series. 😮
Stop calling him Quacker for god sake. It wasn't funny the first time and it will never be funny or cute. Its just play annoying and makes you all sound ignorant.
^ ignore this guy and continue to do it for all seven seasons.
Ok, but wtf is on the screens in Odo's office?
A bunch of people trashed his office in this episode
@@juliandacosta6841 the screens had these screen saver type things on them for the entire series
He understood quark immediately with those ears
Ciara is a kind of crap character. I like O'Brien the doctor and quark
Who was Ciara?
Quark was the only reason to watch that show.
Excluding the last few episodes where they ruined the Ferengi, Quark was the best character in DS9
Yeah i think it's an example of improving the setting of your story, but taking away what makes it interesting and unique. If the ferengi aren't dumping toxic waste to make a quick buck, then they've lost what made them the ferengi as characters.
@@juliandacosta6841 I don't think they ruined the Ferengi. Zek initiated a few reforms, but with a great deal of pushback. Rom undoubtedly wants to go further, but he can't flip a switch and change his society overnight.
The Lower Decks episode about Ferenginar shows this. Not only do we see a hyper-capitalist planet, but Rom and Leeta pull off a small con to test Starfleet's mettle in a _very_ Ferengi way.
Please, keep calling him The Quacker!
Trump is the sand in the gearbox of the machine...
Spoken like a true bot, literally haha
Um... If you want "development" or whatever, there's plenty of Telenovelas out there. Hence the name "Science Fiction". (Get it? Science is the first word) I hear "General Hospital" is still running if drama is your thing.
You should probably watch _Deep Space Nine_ to provide context for your comment. As it is, I mean… LOL