I'd like to correct you on one thing: the part where you mention she uses her weapons in a threatening manner against innocent people, it actually shows specifically all the different chembarons' goons. They show throughout the montage that they're specifically targeting the chembarons, their goons, and dismantling shimmer. While the gassing is not ever a good thing, I DO think there is nuance to be added her as it's not indiscriminate attacks against innocent civilians or all of Zaun. Even the bit where we see Margot and Chross's faces, she's clearly shown to be using the net, not shooting a bullet. She slowly loses that control as we go throughout the episode, as she fails to locate Jinx.
Narratively, it wouldn't make sense for Vi to go along with this plan otherwise. She's not going to be hounding innocent civilians. We see her go on an unsanctioned mission with Jayce in S1 because her goal was to hit the shimmer factories and hurt Silco and the chembarons. So it would be inconsistent if she suddenly went along with brute force against innocents. She even puts herself between Heenot (not entirely innocent) and Cait.
okay goddamn this is some top tier analysis. honestly this show - both seasons - can be studied near endlessly, like you could easily write a dissertation on arcane its so full of things like this. like you finding and highlighting these details between two characters (out of how many?) with a combined runtime of 2/3mins of their interactions? really eye opening stuff and good job conveying it clearly and concisely
Very nice review. VI also protects Cait from the guilt she would feel if she missed Jinx and shot the kid. We remember what that felt like from Jayce and VI's Shimmer mission. VI is my favorite character, I also like her relationship with Cait, but I think she got beaten up too much by both Cait and Jinx. I feel like her character development was not reflected well enough. I'm happy for both of them to have a happy ending, but I wish I could have seen a different development of VI before the final act. In the end, in the last episode, there is not even a "moment" for her either. I'm waiting for your next video
I believe Caitlyn is hurt by Vi saying shes acting like jinx because jinx killed her mother and she already blames herself. At least thats why i think she outlashed and hit her. She feels betrayed by Vi but plans to just leave up until that moment. I also think She starts to rush to take the shot because she realized Vi no longer approves and needs to do this herself. I can see how Vi felt with the scenes that come after, especially, but idk what she wanted from stopping the irrationally cait in that last scene. They stop working as a team. They stop trusting each other.
Thanks for this I was actually confused when Cait starts missing her shots I thought she's just giving warning shots and her shooting Jinx while Isha is on the way won't be problem for her if Vi didn't interfere but thanks to your analysation showing how unfocused Cait is during the fight made me realize so that's why all those missed shots because she's not in the condition to shoot and Vi knows it.
I took Caitlyn's use of the Grey as a means to more surgically strike at her objectives, instead of a full scale invasion of Zaun. This way, Caitlyn was trying to minimize harm to both sides of the conflict. When Vi prevented Caitlyn from shooting Jinx, and ending the pursuit of Caitlyn's objectives, Ambessa saw her opportunity to exploit the situation (especially with Mel temporarily out of the picture), to her personal benefit. Caitlyn knew War hawks were circling in Piltover, and tentatively accepted the role of Commander (imagine Salo at the head of martial law). Make no mistake, Caitlyn was conflicted between her duty and her hate. I keep remembering Vi's words to Jayce about the boy he killed (S1E8); and, I thought that Caitlyn might have been aggrieved that Vi had just given an opening for the intercity conflict to continue, likely leading to many more casualties and suffering.
Great insights and observations. Appreciate the discourse. It seems to me that Vi and Cait both cannot really do the thing they say they can -- which is to kill Jinx. All of the factors you discuss regarding Cait are in play, but i think her simply not being willing, at the critical moment, to murder Jinx is part of it too. Perhaps that is a last resort she is still incapable of -- despite having called down multiple last resorts in Zaun already.
Amazing analysis! Does it bother you personally that Cait never explicitly addressed this incident between her and Vi? The only hint at remorse/apology that I noticed is when she touches Vi's patch on her abdomen in episode 8, but it is such a fleeting second. Why is she more concerned about sleeping with someone else in Vi's absence rather than with hurting Vi and causing her absence?
It does itch at me that it wasn’t addressed! Especially since it was such a violent reaction from Caitlin to Vi. Maybe it was discussed off-screen between the two but it would have been be nice to see!
@Glxtchcat and @vrrrrrr6872 IMAO, that wasn't off-screen neither. Caitlyn isn't a character who's talking a lot when it's about herself (only when she's under stress), but she demonstrates by acts a lot. - When she touches Vi's patch, Vi understands the message and shows her acceptance by grabbing and pulling Cait to her. "That's ok we can go forward" is how I understand the thing. - so... "Why is she more concerned about sleeping with someone else". So no, she isn't more concerned...huh, I will say I don't think. But the fact that she had sleep with someone else can't really be showed by a subtle non-verbal gesture. Then it's sounds more like a honesty concern than an apologize.
Great video. Act 1 had great setup for both of them, but act 2 and 3 are so rushed that it doesnt seem compelling or believeable. I`m sad that they didnt want to take their time to flesh out their characters and relationship, instead we got a brilliant full episode for Ekko and Powder, while Cait and Vi probably had about 5 minutes in act 2 and 3 as a whole for the relationship. Hope they are proud of their writing cuz they ruined this relationship for A LOT of people
@ true! I taught that it was because she wanted to say something to her but tbh could be cause when Vi tells her to shoot Jinx she’s not looking Caitlyn in the eye so most likely it
I'd like to correct you on one thing: the part where you mention she uses her weapons in a threatening manner against innocent people, it actually shows specifically all the different chembarons' goons. They show throughout the montage that they're specifically targeting the chembarons, their goons, and dismantling shimmer. While the gassing is not ever a good thing, I DO think there is nuance to be added her as it's not indiscriminate attacks against innocent civilians or all of Zaun. Even the bit where we see Margot and Chross's faces, she's clearly shown to be using the net, not shooting a bullet. She slowly loses that control as we go throughout the episode, as she fails to locate Jinx.
Narratively, it wouldn't make sense for Vi to go along with this plan otherwise. She's not going to be hounding innocent civilians. We see her go on an unsanctioned mission with Jayce in S1 because her goal was to hit the shimmer factories and hurt Silco and the chembarons. So it would be inconsistent if she suddenly went along with brute force against innocents. She even puts herself between Heenot (not entirely innocent) and Cait.
@@9iscomplete thank you so much for this! This is super interesting and makes a lot of sense, can’t believe I missed this detail 😱
okay goddamn this is some top tier analysis. honestly this show - both seasons - can be studied near endlessly, like you could easily write a dissertation on arcane its so full of things like this. like you finding and highlighting these details between two characters (out of how many?) with a combined runtime of 2/3mins of their interactions? really eye opening stuff and good job conveying it clearly and concisely
@@TelepathicWeasel Wow! Thank you so much! you’re right a dissertation is definitely needed for this show!
@@Glxtchcat a dissertation with a side of therapy
Very nice review. VI also protects Cait from the guilt she would feel if she missed Jinx and shot the kid. We remember what that felt like from Jayce and VI's Shimmer mission. VI is my favorite character, I also like her relationship with Cait, but I think she got beaten up too much by both Cait and Jinx. I feel like her character development was not reflected well enough. I'm happy for both of them to have a happy ending, but I wish I could have seen a different development of VI before the final act. In the end, in the last episode, there is not even a "moment" for her either. I'm waiting for your next video
I believe Caitlyn is hurt by Vi saying shes acting like jinx because jinx killed her mother and she already blames herself. At least thats why i think she outlashed and hit her. She feels betrayed by Vi but plans to just leave up until that moment. I also think She starts to rush to take the shot because she realized Vi no longer approves and needs to do this herself. I can see how Vi felt with the scenes that come after, especially, but idk what she wanted from stopping the irrationally cait in that last scene.
They stop working as a team. They stop trusting each other.
Thanks for this I was actually confused when Cait starts missing her shots I thought she's just giving warning shots and her shooting Jinx while Isha is on the way won't be problem for her if Vi didn't interfere but thanks to your analysation showing how unfocused Cait is during the fight made me realize so that's why all those missed shots because she's not in the condition to shoot and Vi knows it.
I took Caitlyn's use of the Grey as a means to more surgically strike at her objectives, instead of a full scale invasion of Zaun. This way, Caitlyn was trying to minimize harm to both sides of the conflict. When Vi prevented Caitlyn from shooting Jinx, and ending the pursuit of Caitlyn's objectives, Ambessa saw her opportunity to exploit the situation (especially with Mel temporarily out of the picture), to her personal benefit.
Caitlyn knew War hawks were circling in Piltover, and tentatively accepted the role of Commander (imagine Salo at the head of martial law). Make no mistake, Caitlyn was conflicted between her duty and her hate.
I keep remembering Vi's words to Jayce about the boy he killed (S1E8); and, I thought that Caitlyn might have been aggrieved that Vi had just given an opening for the intercity conflict to continue, likely leading to many more casualties and suffering.
Great insights and observations. Appreciate the discourse. It seems to me that Vi and Cait both cannot really do the thing they say they can -- which is to kill Jinx. All of the factors you discuss regarding Cait are in play, but i think her simply not being willing, at the critical moment, to murder Jinx is part of it too. Perhaps that is a last resort she is still incapable of -- despite having called down multiple last resorts in Zaun already.
Even after several reawatches, I hadn't seen that Cait missed Jinx' head, I wondered why she aimed for her hand, so thanks for that !
Amazing analysis!! More videos 🔥🔥🔥
I am rewatching as we speak! 🫡 Thank you!
Are you going to do more of these?cause I love em
I plan on it!
Amazing analysis!
Does it bother you personally that Cait never explicitly addressed this incident between her and Vi? The only hint at remorse/apology that I noticed is when she touches Vi's patch on her abdomen in episode 8, but it is such a fleeting second. Why is she more concerned about sleeping with someone else in Vi's absence rather than with hurting Vi and causing her absence?
It does itch at me that it wasn’t addressed! Especially since it was such a violent reaction from Caitlin to Vi. Maybe it was discussed off-screen between the two but it would have been be nice to see!
@Glxtchcat and @vrrrrrr6872
IMAO, that wasn't off-screen neither. Caitlyn isn't a character who's talking a lot when it's about herself (only when she's under stress), but she demonstrates by acts a lot.
- When she touches Vi's patch, Vi understands the message and shows her acceptance by grabbing and pulling Cait to her. "That's ok we can go forward" is how I understand the thing.
- so... "Why is she more concerned about sleeping with someone else". So no, she isn't more concerned...huh, I will say I don't think. But the fact that she had sleep with someone else can't really be showed by a subtle non-verbal gesture. Then it's sounds more like a honesty concern than an apologize.
Great video.
Act 1 had great setup for both of them, but act 2 and 3 are so rushed that it doesnt seem compelling or believeable. I`m sad that they didnt want to take their time to flesh out their characters and relationship, instead we got a brilliant full episode for Ekko and Powder, while Cait and Vi probably had about 5 minutes in act 2 and 3 as a whole for the relationship. Hope they are proud of their writing cuz they ruined this relationship for A LOT of people
exactly we should've had season 3. idk when they rushed this. I know they want to go other regions but cmon.
WHY do you think, Caitlyn stopped Vi just before they were about to attack Jinx. What did Caitlyn want to say do you think? She doesn’t say anything.
maybe Cait wanted to see how determined Vi is to fight her sister by looking her in the eye. At least that's how I read it.
@ true! I taught that it was because she wanted to say something to her but tbh could be cause when Vi tells her to shoot Jinx she’s not looking Caitlyn in the eye so most likely it
No, they didn't