Josh Pate On Notre Dame - Elite Or Really Good? (Late Kick Cut)
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Notre Dame and Marcus Freeman enjoyed another good season last fall and recruiting continues to improve. On Late Kick Live Ep 518 Josh Pate continued with some of the biggest questions for this College Football season. Will we see the same Notre Dame (very good) or can the Irish make the jump to the elite level of the sport? Let us know what you think in the comments below and be sure to SUBSCRIBE to the channel and CLICK THE BELL for notifications as we bring you multiple live shows per week!
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ND can't get a bye, but not having to play a conference championship game....is like getting a bye.
I mean if we are 5 seed it can be a good path to playoffs to semi finals. We play a G5 team. Then the worst p4 conference champ who will probably be worse than the 6,7 and maybe even 8 team
Well yeah that's the whole point
Not an ND exclusive issue, top 4 should get a bye, it's perfectly conceivable that a conference runner-up would be a top 4 team
They are obviously above a conference. ND is an amazing program. Go Irish
EXACTLY. No one ever seems to make that point
Swarbrick played y'all. He understood that getting #5 could be better than getting the top 4.
At #5, they get #12 which will be at home, in December, in the snow. If #12 is a SEC team, playing in the snow is not a good fit.
Then they get the next round on a neutral site. It keeps them hot and not sitting for a week to lose momentum.
I don't think people are realizing the advantage of being #5.... It actually loads the field in their favor.
Go Irish ☘️ ☘️
We. Dont. Have. To. Play. A. Conference. Championship. I.E. a BYE. Literally no difference
Nope. Notre Dames over-rated. Northern Illinois University 16 #5 Notre Dame 14. Why not talk about ND playing a cupcake schedule to try to backdoor their way into the playoffs instead of kissing their ass?
yea, we can beat ohio state! basically beat 'em last year
If Notre Dame goes undefeated and gets the 5 seed because of thr conference championship rules, they get most likely the g5 team at home and then the weakest of the p4 champs neutral before going to the semifinals and playing a difficult matchup. They skip out on conference championship week where they could lose anyways and miss out on a bye causing an extra game overall so they get an extra week of playoff prep vs say the loser of the SEC Championship and have 1 less game than said loser.
Yep. Swarbrick not only agreed to this but helped propose it. Some years not being in conference hurts them and some years it helps. Getting a home playoff game in December against a G5 team is a pretty good consolation if this scenario ever happens.
As an alumnus, you’ve given ND plenty of love and attention. You’ve also been quite even-handed. I appreciate it.
@ndmmt-wu7kz Agreed!
One of the very few national broadcasters that is even close to fair with ND.
Facts
Kept up the great work Josh, love the show 👍🎉🍻🍀🇨🇦
Marcus has to get ND over the hump THIS YEAR ! ! !
BRING HOME A NATTY THIS YEAR ! ! ! 🍀🍀🍀🏆🏆🏆
An undefeated No. 1 ND, ranked No. 5 in the playoff AT home in the South Bend WINTER vs the no. 12 team, maybe from some sunny southern state, then play the No. 4 seed for a spot in the semis.. or a conference championship game?
Sounds like an easy choice here.
People forget that ND physically dominated Ohio St last year. It took pure unmitigated luck, a dropped int, and an act of god that Ohio St won in that final second. Also remember, that was still with the awful recruits kelly recruited. Unathletic goofballs. Now our team is 75/80% Freeman recruits. We actually have depth now. Our backups are 4 and 5 stars not 2 and 3 stars. Things are only looking up. Nd is a top 5 team FACT. They can hang with anyone.
Great points but pump the breaks on the 5*. We hardly have any. Also, we don’t have 2* guys. Go Irish ☘️
@@Ndfourlife we have plenty of 5 stars under Freeman sir.
Sneed, Bowen, Jagusah, Carr, the lineman we just signed(his name always escapes me) Love, Williams and KVA. Plus, in this class we have Black, Deuce, Taylor, Golden, and we lead for Blair, possibly Madden and even Boetang. These are all 5 star talent. Kelly NEVER had this much 5 star talent. Ever. Never had this much depth. Ever. More than half of the recruits Kelly signed in his tenure were 3 stars. Just awful.
@@john-wh6mz Your facts are off a bit but I like your passion. Half the guys you mentioned were not 5* guys according to recruiting rankings. Duece isn’t even a 5* bro. ☘️
@@Ndfourlife lol recruiting services use nerds who have no clue how to evaluate tape and who never played a down of football in their life to give stars to players. I prefer to do my own rankings. Evaluate my own tape. I actually know what I'm looking at. All those cats are 5 stars. Sorry to tell ya. Not sure why you want to believe they aren't.
Fun fact. If any of those dudes committed to Bama or Georgia. Then you would have seen all of them as "5 stars" 🤣
@@john-wh6mz Agree to disagree on some points I hope you’re right my friend. BK is a POS and MF is doing everything right. Can’t say enough positives about MF. It just needs to translate on the field now. Let’s hope Riley will and stay healthy this year and Morrison too. We arguably have the 2 best coordinators.
Hoping the lacrosse 🥍 success will carry over to football. LFG!!!!☘️☘️
Really good. Not elite yet. Go Irish ☘️
Don't they technically get a bye when teams are playing conference championship games though??
@@nicholastaiariol2631 thanks! Didn't proof read the comment before I posted it! Updated
Yeah, if anything the current setup works out really well for ND. If they are a top 5 team they essentially get a BYE during conference championships week, then they play the lowest seeded playoff team at home (possibly a G5 team), and then they get a game against whoever is the lowest seed P4 conference champion (assuming G5 team isn’t in top 4). After that they’d have to play the 1 seed if they win all those, but once you get to the final 4 there likely won’t be any easy matchups left anyways.
I’ll be shocked if any ND fans are actually complaining if this scenario plays out.
@@Stoneador yea ND fan here and it doesn't seem like a hard pill to swallow at all for ND.
I think the only way it does not help them is if they are in that 12-14 zone in rankings and another team in the hunt beats a top 5 team in the conference champ possible pushing ND out since they don't have another game but overall I see no major disadvantages until the ACC falls apart and the B10 starts shunning ND. That could become bad real fast
Yeah, that's probably the reason ND agreed to it - because with no CCG, we'd end up playing the same number of games as conference champions that get byes in the first round.
Marcus, talent wise, has brought ND closer to the elite, but still not quite there. But we do have great coaches, the talent is up there enough to compete with the elite. So proof is in the pudding.
ND gets the bye during Conference championship week, if they are #1 then they go to 5 they would play the 12th seed which is going to be a team like Liberty this year because the group of 5 team gets that bid. Then if they win that game they play the 4th ranked team now they are in the semi finals after playing the easiest playoff schedule. Thats what ND agreed too. IF they are #1 they get a bye and beat Liberty the next week then game on.
As an ND fan, I can’t agree more with how you speak on them. Very fair. Go Irish ☘️
#5 is totally fine with us, Josh! It's a 12-game schedule...EVERYBODY is banged up come late November, early December! That's why you recruit depth and back the Brinks Truck up for a strength and conditioning coach! You're also leaving out Championship Saturday! THAT is our bye week! GO IRISH ☘
They have an automatic bye built in… No conference Championship game
Conference champion is such a joke. No need for it, it's just for money. Theres a playoff, no need for conference championships
I mean we also have a by anyway in the playoffs like we all say. But let’s be real nd secondary is the best there is. And to be honest the dline is gonna improve. And now all we need to really see is how good can Leonard be. And how good will the receivers be
ND just gets an early bye during conference championship
I am a ND Fan!! Remember that the 4 teams that get the byes will have to play the week before in their conference championship game while Notre Dame gets its bye. So, to win the title a conference champ will have to win, bye, win 3 in a row. Notre dame would get a bye, then have to win 4 straight, not really much difference.
I'd take a #5 ranking and a bye during CCG weekend with a home playoff game over a CCG every day of the week
Notre Dame is not in danger of getting screwed by not having a first round bye. By being guaranteed to never have a conference championship game, they are actually the ONLY team in the country who will NEVER run the risk of getting unfavorable playoff treatment. Conference runners-up, on the other hand, will be getting screwed-over with extra games quite regularly.
As a Lions fan, we will always celebrate making the playoffs. It will be the same in the 12 team playoff.
the difference is you never spent your whole life knowing that only 2-4 teams getting in then or dropping drastically to 12😂so you can’t compare that
Independence for Notre Dame is historical, as when they beat Michigan for the first time in 1909, UM's coach, Fielding Yost (who had a lot of pull in the 'Western Conference' at the time (later to become the Big 10) blacklisted Notre Dame from ever joining the conference and advocated against naming ND as 1909 National Champions.
That was a blessing in disguise, as it formed Knute Rockne's decision (with full University backing) to look throughout the country for any and all of the best teams to play, which led to arguably the greatest intersectional rivalry with USC.
So, not only is Notre Dame's independence historical, but emotional - as well as necessary, as teams continue to combine into what will most likely end up becoming one huge powerhouse conglomeration to where conferences will no longer matter. Look no further than the PAC 12.
(So now shouldn't everyone - including the National media - be calling it the 'Power 4'?)
It's all just ridiculous because it's all about money to where college football will leave the NCAA behind and declare themselves one big semi-pro league.
I apologize for the rant.
☘Go Irish!☘
Very informative!! Didn't know this about our history 👍☘️
@@ILSquirtles23 yes! A long and storied history. One reason for our long standing 'hatred' for Michigan.
@@ILSquirtles23 The hatred started because UM was an established football program and taught Notre Dame how to play the game way back in October 1887. The first official game ND played was against UM on November 22, 1887, where UM won 8-0.
It took seven more games, until 1908 for ND to beat UM 11-3 and, because of Fielding Yost's hatred and subsequent blackballing of ND we didn't play again until 1942.
A storied history, indeed!
They always love to say we ran away
@@notredamecoltsfan they do, don't they?
New Notre dame, there is a reason ESPN FPI give the Irish the best chance at going undefeated
The reason is because they dont play anyone
@@bert2239Who do you root for?!?!
@@BigMonty686 penn state
Ahhh, the glory and gut-wrenching pain of being a devoted ND fan! I love our independance--and I hope we hold onto it--but if the landscape changes to the point that the negatives of being independent TRULY outweigh the positives (and all of that is sooooo subjective) then -- I believe a change will be made--and if the people we trust with stewarding ND's interests are wise, and genuine, I'm confident, I believe ND will navigate in a way that will maintain the heart of our identity and maximize our opportunities to play for a championship--that is always the needle hole we're trying to thread. GO IRISH!
ND gets a bye EVERY single year even if they are ranked #11 when everyone else is playing the conf champ game. Advantage Irish.
The answer is no. It’s not enough 😂. And we’d play, last year for example, Liberty in that No.5 spot.
And if you can’t whip Libertys ass, ya got no shot at a Natty lol
Notre Dame bye week will be conference champ weekend where the top 4 seeds will have to play. If ND gets 5 and hosts the 12 in South Bend with a week off before that’s awesome for them.
Very good point at 1:45
It depends on time between conference championships and playoffs whether the “ tOSU s would be that much more rested or less banged up than ND come the 2nd round.
TEXAS A&M UR ON THE CLOCK ⏳ #☘️💚
That schedule weak af
Yup A&M gonna clock in and give that work to ND.
And remember there first game in the playoff if they make it is guaranteed to be played in Notre Dame
WE DO NOT CARE ABOUT NOT GETTING A BYE.... 5th SEED PLAYS 12th SEED WHICH IS THE G5 TEAM
The team is clearly getting better athletes under Freeman. I think they’ll be very good but not elite. Give Freeman a couple more years and we’ll be putting them into the seasonal conversations as Texas, Alabama, Georgia, Michigan and Ohio State.
They're over-rated. They can't beat NIU. 🤣🤣🤣 They are also very generous giving the MAC their first win over a "top 5" team in the MAC after 51 attempts. And as a bonus, they included $1.4 million. 🤣🤣🤣. Yeeesssss!!!!
I think the point is to MAKE the Playoff.
Forst of all, you can't win the College Football Championship if you don't make the Playoffs.
Simple fact.
And on making the Playoffs, you are now 1 of 12 Teams that CAN win the Championship.
Regardless of past results, Notre Dame must MAKE the Playoffs first and foremost, and I believe they will.
And once they are there, then why couldn't they have a .agical run and win it all? Why couldn't they be good enough to defeat the teams in front of them?
It has happened before. Teams do surprise us quite often, and there are several underdogs who have won a Championship.
Lets just look at last season...
I would bet that less than 0.00001% of the fans of College Football had Michigan vs Washington for the National Championship BEFORE the Season.
So, again, the key is to MAKE the Tournament. The you will find out if your team is good enough to go on that magical run...
12-0 ND won’t be #1 with their schedule unless the few teams above them (Georgia/Texas or Ohio State/Oregon) have some catastrophic losses. I feel like the SEC and B1G champs will both be 12-1 which will keep them above ND. A drop from #3 to #5 isn’t really a big deal considering they don’t play that 13th game. I think it balances out
One thing here. If notr dame goes to usc with no loses. They most likely sit some starters to be fully healthy for the play off grind win or lose.🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️. I don’t see them risking losing starters when you know you’re a lock for a spot.
Notre Dame secured a bye every single season. Every other team aspiring for a 1st round bye, at season's end, is playing in a conference championship game. The rest of college football, either they are playing in a conference championship game, or they probably aren't good enough to be seeded 5-8 to have a 1st round home game.
Say Notre Dame gets in as 5 seed. They have a home game against 12 seed the 1st round. That 12 seed is probably the 6th conference champ to get in, so they just played a championship game. Next round, is a neutral site game against the weakest of the Power 4 champs That team could actually be ranked somewhere around 10-15, but seeding doesn't follow ranking. 3rd round, Notre Dame is playing the 1 or the 8 seed, again a neutral site game.
Notre Dame got exactly what it wanted:
Access to the playoff while independent.
The chance to host a playoff game.
Independence is important to Notre dame because of monetary reasons. They schedule marquee games with unusual opponents every year and also schedule neutral site games because it allows them to just print money. You don’t make money by being in the ACC and playing duke and Virginia every year
Let's consider this... expanding the playoffs will also expand recruiting. Now a 5 star recruit won't feel pressured to choose bama, Georgia or OSU because they simply just want to make the playoffs. Now these talented 4 and 5 star guys can pick the school they really wanted to go to like an FSU or Iowa or Oklahoma state and very likely make the playoffs and still go to the school of their dreams or the school their dad played at etc
I know I'm coming in late... it's a matter of perspective. Notre Dame's mindset should be realizing that the first round would be like that conference championship game they didn't have to play everyone else does at the top. Then move forward with less playoff games ... perspective wise, not actually. A Notre dame national champ played as many games as a conference champ national champ. Just saying. Stay hot on the grind or risk getting soft with prep time... idk.
GO IRISH!
Some college football fans are the most obnoxious people on the planet. Everyone besides Georgia to them are “overrated bums”
If you were the 12th best in the country at something would you change your identity……notre dame won’t
Jesus will shine one day❤ US Catholics will rejoice 😂😂
ND never gets a bye in the PO b/c they don't play in a conference championship game
There is no such thing as monotonally. It is pronounced monotonically.
Riley Leonard’s Mom is right.
Really good until they prove they're great. A really good program that consistently gets to the door but hasn't yet been able to open it.
Theyre close. Theyre getting better players with freeman
Have potential to go to the semi finals with sold QB play
ND is gonna be really good this year
Not good enough to beat Texas A&M!
12-0....defense is ELITE!!!! ☘☘☘☘☘☘☘☘☘
what happened to your hair???
They don’t play in a conference
Great questions. Ummmm?
And then a bad team first round
We are winning the natty
☘️☘️☘️
What are you talking about? ND always gets a "first" round (zero round) bye because they are always sitting home on championship weekend.
Notre dame is about to shock the college football world ☘️
Shock is the word. Losing to NIU…..at home.
Programs join conferences to make more money. The higher profile conference you can join, the better media rights deal. Notre Dame has an exclusive deal with NBC. Every single Notre Dame game - home (NBC) or away (because of their popularity) - is national televised. Why would they join a conference?
Look at the first round playoff, even if we are ranked #1-4, as our quasi conference championship.
And no, your hypothetical won’t change many minds. There is too much history behind our independence, including repeated rejections by the Big “10” on religious grounds central to the mission of the University, for alumni to be easily swayed to join it. We don’t fit in the SEC or the Big 12. The ACC might be a fit, but it may not exist much longer.
Right our AD said "that's our conference championship, our 13th game"
a lot of room between national championship level and winning a playoff game in the first round. ND fans like to pretend its championship or bust but in reality it would be a successful season--and a step forward for the program--if we win a playoff game. Since I've been alive, Notre Dame has never won a big postseason game, and yet ND fans pretend it Chip or bust. If we win a playoff game against a top 4 SEC or solid Big Ten program or whatever thats a good season and building momentum towards the future.
Ill take an annual knute rockne bowl at ND stadium in December round 1 and a conference championship bye (against probably OSU/Oregon) over a 1st round bye any day lol...
But like seriously a round 1 game at home is so cool (espically if not coming off a loss) and to have it be an almost regular option is very favorable for ND in football(recruiting, relationship building with other schools) and (maybe more importantly sorry : /) out of football... when you compare that with the idea of getting a shot to go play a top 3/2 team (talk about injury potential coming right after long regular season) but miss the opportunity for home bowl game if you win (best case scenario) and if you lose now you probably have to go on the road to some really tough school and play in round 1 anyway (talk about much harder path to the championship now and a true worst case scenerio). Couldn't be me man.
You're forgetting that ND gets a bye week every year because they don't play while the other teams play conference championships. So they'll be rested. The bye week discussion may be overblown.
Jack swarbrick (Notre dames former athletic director) came up with the whole 5 seed thing
Pate, have you reallly not figured out the whole Notre dame undefeated, 5th seed thing. Read some of the comments below. Do you do this part time?
ND will occasionally make a run deep into the playoff. They'll have a chance EVERY YEAR and sooner or later three coin flips will go their way and they'll be in the CFP final game. Probably about once every eight years, if fact.
Honestly I think the 5 seed will be low key a hot seed, you get to play the group of 5 champ, then in the second round you probably play the BIG12 champ. So for ND or the runner up of the SEC or BIG10 the 5 seed will honestly be seen as a easy path the the final 4
If ND is a top 8 seed they will host the first playoff game. After that the games will be at neutral sites. That bye isn’t critical imo.
Bold prediction josh, no 1st round by team wins the natty but a SEC team still wins it.
Im not sure it matters tbh, they just need to win the game thats right in front of them. Go irish
Boldish prediction: at least one of the bottom 4 seed will be among the last 4 teams standing.
Nice Predator reference haha. Had me chuckling a little bit.
Josh is primarily an SEC guy!
Josh youre better than this.
You know the bye week is just reversed for ND and Power Teams.
ND has a bye whilst the top 4 generally battle a top 10 opponent in week 13.
Then they have a week off when ND plays a top 10 opponent.
This is fair. Most Notre Dame fans consider this 1st round as our new "conference championship game".
Its totally fair to have to prove we belong, just like the P4 teams do. and if we cant win it, then we wouldnt have won a conference title either....
We better not consider a conference championship game. We are allergic to conference championship games
I DONT KNOW IF ND JOINS A CONFERENCE BECAUSE OF THE PLAYOFF. BUT THE MONEY THEY COULD GET FROM THE BIG 10 MIGHT BE THE DEAL BREAKER. I HOPE IF IT COMES TO THAT WE JOIN THE BIG 10. THE RIVALRIES WOULD BE AWESOME. GO FIGHTING IRISH!!!!
Why would we join the Big ten? We are on national tv 11 times per year in the last 10 years. The big ten can’t guarantee that. We are on national TV way more than any other program it’s part of our identity. Not to mention Notre Dame probably would not be open to equal revenue sharing because they believe there brand is more valuable than most Big Ten brands (the exceptions being Michigan, Ohio State, and USC) ND is the biggest team in 2 of the top 3 biggest TV markets in the US Chicago and NYC and the biggest brand in Boston. What’s the allure that the Big Ten gives us? Rivalry games? Money we already have? Prestige we already have? The fact of the matter is the ND admin would never agree to a conference without being treated as favorites as being on national television every week is a big deal to them.
Being shuffled to 5th is a great thing for Notre Dame, if they're 12-0 and ranked in the top 4 they would go a MONTH without playing a game. I don't want them idle for that long and let's say Virginia Tech sneaks in and wins the ACC at 9-3 or 8-4 Notre Dame would have them in the 2nd round I like Notre Dame's chances against a 9-3 Virginia Tech team at a neutral site
yeah exactly, well play probably agroup of 5 automatic qualifier like liberty or Memphis at the 12 seed and then play the weakest of the power 4 champions, Kansas, clemson utah or someone like that
Great point, hadn’t thought of it that way
He’s good
Not elite
Not very.
Notre Dame needs better Offensive production. * sorry for the miss type I was using speak to text and did not double check
We have Denbrock...how much better do we need? Lol.
They have the OC who ran the #1 offense and coached the Heisman winner last year. I think you are under the impression they still have Parker but he's gone fam. Good luck to yout Buckeyes
@@cindymikolajczyk9936 he's an OSU fan they saw us with terrible OCs the last 2 years, I'm not shocked he isn't up to date with ND coaching changes
@@drumusic5665 sorry
I meant to type better Offensive production.
I can agree with there.
Same as Penn state. Good defense pretty brutal offense. 9-3 ish team
What do you know about Notre Dames offense? Lol
You don't know shit lmao
And now let's talk about you being overated @@nicholastaiariol2631
@@itsmcskeeter8209 fax bro
uh, elite defense, top 5 most likely, and we have the best OC in the business now.
Notre Dame fans know that the only teams we don't match up on paper with is Ohio State and Georgia. We always play both of them pretty tight. So we think we're right there. And we don't care about the buy. We knew that coming in. As long as we're in the playoffs and can stay independent. That's what we want.Go Irish🍀🏆
So Josh any team that gets a bye week plays a conference championship game, a 13th game, Notre dame does not so they play 12 games, Notre Dame not getting a bye = 13th game.
A 13th with more time to prepare and get healthy.
Its the same amount of games my brother in christ.
I would rather get to the playoffs and lose round 1 then get to a conference championship, lose and then not make the playoffs or not get a bye anyways
4:33 exactly
They only reason people like them is because their helmets are gold
Notre dame is always talked TOO much!! Riding the waves of the 70s and 80s 😂😂
I think they will be very good and make the playoffs. 11-1 season.
Not that good
Being a notredame fan must be bonkers. With all the different teams yall play year after year. FSU and Clemson might as well join ND and have a conference called the Sour Pusses.
It will always be like 2012. ND get is in - then gets run off the field. ND has not won a major post season game since 1993. They are not gonna win 3 in one season any time soon - if ever. Some people might say the fact they consistently get in major post season game and consistently get blown out mean they are over rated - but not Josh - but some people - but not Josh. Anyway, I guess the fact ND has not been able to prove it's high rank is valid at the end of the season FOR 30+ years just does not mean anything. Just bad ND luck since Holzt left.
The Cowboys of college football
We’re a lacrosse 🥍 school homie. 😳😂
How so? Interesting comparison
@@BigMonty686 Because both are great brands with a large fan base and really haven’t won a big game in many years
how good is notre dame?
not very good.