THE STERNRITTER ORIGINS - Haschwalth and Bazz-B's Past, EXPLAINED | Bleach Discussion
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Bleach loves its antagonist duos, from Byakuya and Renji to Grimmjow and Ulquiorra and beyond. However, in the Thousand-Year Blood War arc, Kubo took the duo of Haschwalth and Bazz-B in a different direction, choosing instead to use them to give us a glimpse into the history of his world, as well as exploring their relationship deeper than any before. Let's take a look into their past and what drove them to become enemies.
[This video is a re-upload, so the first section is out of date now, but the rest should be fine! Thanks guys.]
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Hey guys - this video is a re-upload, so the intro is out of date now and some of you might recognise it! If you haven't seen it, I hope you enjoy it and if you have, you might get something new out of it! It feels like now is a better time to put it live, so thanks for bearing with me.
My question is what did you think of Jugram and Bazz-B's flashback, and how their characters developed over the course of TYBW? Would you have liked flashbacks for any other Sternritter? Let me know!
Wait, what was wrong with the other video?
Their flashback was so good.
Oh wow, you're right!! The brash, rebellious and nonplussed, cold trope IS played throughout Bleach. I learn so much from all of your videos!!
You are going to upload your review of Can’t Fear You Own World Volume 3? Also I liked your “What if” video about Aizen fighting the Zero Squad.
@@saitosan876 Would like to see that. The conclusion has some interesting implications both mundane and unnerving.
Bazzard Black. Sternritter "H" The Heat. The world ain't ready for this man to be animated.
Oh no we most definitely are 🤣 real talk I'm hoping so bad to see bazz come back in the hell arc not sure how he would fit in but a man can hope
@@michaelanthony2520 that all depends if the souls Yhwach devoured were released upon his death.
@@alphawolf7417 I thought about that also and the fact that his body is still being used as the catalyst to balance the three worlds I know he's dead but his body remaining makes for a weird situation
@@michaelanthony2520 true though I do wonder. The whole thing with Yhwach, the quincy, and the whole turning Soul Society and the Royal Palace into their kingdom all involve making it so everyone killed by them is fed to Yhwach. So technically is Yamamoto is killed by Yhwach then he'd be devoured as well right? And we know Yamamoto is now in Hell and Szayel even confirmed it. I dunno there's a lot that needs explanation.
Can't wait to see the 3D abominations they have in store for us
It’s honestly bonkers to think about the fact that Bazz B is older than Kyoraku and Ukitake.
Kubo's writing is so good when it comes to the short character arcs between Bazz and Jugo
Fax
True ❤
I think you hit the nail on their relationship. Despite being good friends, Haschwalth felt worthless when he was with Bazz due to his warped perception of the world (probably due to his uncle). And Bazz himself thought Haschwalth was worthless compared to him. But then Yhwach comes, completely ignores Bazz but says Haschwalth is the truly special one. At that point you can see Bazz's thoughts from his eyes, he thinks "how can this guy be worth so much more than me?" And Haschwalth noticed it. I think this is the moment their friendship ended.
Has dying with Bazzs family symbol in his hand is amazing
they've been alive for so long and he never really let go of their friendship
it'd be cool if these two were still friends in hell if they are in the hell arc
When reading it, seeing Bazz B’s family emblem on his sword just hit different. Like you said, he changed significantly since abandoning Bazz B and seemed so cold and dismissive but always had a watchful eye over him. Then him coming to that realization as he’s dying and seeing the button just hit different and was truly somber. It made me sad lol
I summed up Bazz B's actions in service to Ywach as a sort of Stockholm Syndrome or method acting that's consumed his life, and it's gotten to the point where he can't separate fact from fiction. Especially after he's received so much power (which he has always wanted) from Ywach.
i honestly think kubo didnt initially plan on making Bazz B a traitor to Ywach or giving him and Jugram that specific flashback hence the inconsistencies, but I do love the flashback nonetheless
I think Bazz Bs defense of the Loyd was a means to further his respect for ywach and get him closer to an opportunity to stab ywach in the back.
And his dialogue regarding retaking his the quincy powers to be general shock in the form of not expecting the outcome and realizing he'd lose the strength to pose a threat to ywach. Maybe even a little bit of denial from playing the role of loyalty so long. Or even honing the acting.
Maybe He Got Comfortable Staying With Ywatch For 1000 Years Then When He Got Betrayed His Revenge Came Back
Perhaps he had hoped that his childhood friend would help him take over the Quincy nation
This is the flashback that made Bazz B my favorite Sternritter
Same
And who's your favourite caractere???
@@amenkalai8442 Izuru, Grimmjow, Bazz B
It was so emotional the entire fight. Especially the ending. Hats off to kubo for giving such a backstop to both of them
How ironic Yhwach burned down Bazz B’s village and then bestowed him the power of fire
Ironic and cruel
I didn't understand why the Quincy emperor would burn down a village where fucking Quincy live?
@@amitkenan3878even tho he was the "king" of quinces he doesn't care for anybody,he only wants to further his interests
@@amitkenan3878i saw that as he manipulating both of them to eventually work for him after seensing their potential when they were children
I fully believe Jugrams plan was to not kill bazz b, which is why he chose to avoid his challenges and kept asking bazz to surrender. However, he had to kill him bc he knew that 1) ywach would find out he spared bazz b 2) it might get in the way of killing ywach
The FRIEND flashback is my favorite backstory in Bleach.
Same here
@IN REGENERATIONE Yeah that's Great too both 9/10 stuffs
Guess I have The Almighty because I've witnessed this entire video before
Underrated comment
Yeah it's really a shame Kubo didn't get a chance to flesh this stuff out
Haschwalt's arc is a great subversion of the chosen one , Monomyth narrative of how someone can be caught up in the idea of legend and prophecy given his neglect and abandonment issues, you notice with him there was no refusal of the call, which as you pointed is a sign of the toxicity.
Also as I was thinking, I wonder if Wonderweiss was a kinda of proto Haschwalt in the creative process?
Meant as a corrupted King Arthur sword in the stone narrative?
OH DAMN, ADULT BAZZ-B HAS A MOHAWK AS A HOMAGE HIS OLD HELMET!!!!
7:21
What a great analysis this was. When you think about it, it is these individual story arcs that make Bleach special. Their relationship is so relatable because most of us have been betrayed by someone we shared a bond with. Often times, those so called friends were never really your friends. But there are friendships that end based on poor choices and misunderstandings yet behind all that hurt and anger, those former friends still care for one another.
Man I was hurt when he killed Baz, I liked his style!
I think Haschwalth gets a bad wrap just because his world view runs, pun intended, as the antithesis of the themes of Bleach. It's easy to criticize his concept of what he values in a relationship within the narrative of Bleach simply because it doesn't fit with Kubo's message, but it's impossible to say he's empirically wrong or unjustified in his beliefs. He grew up in an incredibly harsh, unjust world and was shaped by it. He only survived because he learned early on he could only trust people that he was valuable to, ensuring his safety. If you put a character with Ichigo's values through that upbringing, he would've died as a child. And like him or not, Haschwalth is probably the single most loyal and dependable character in the series, with really the only competition coming from Yamamoto's lieutenant
I love your character analysis videos and this one really hits the hammer on the nail. The CFYOW novel only reaffirms Jugram Haschwalth as a very conflicted character, ultimately saving the remaining Sternritter and Quincies via his trusted female aide.
I think Kubo wanted to keep the flashback strictly about Jugram and Bazz's relationship, so he didn't want to avert that attention with the Quincy vs. Shinigami war of 1,000 years ago. But from what little snippet we got of the the Lichtreich hierarchy in Friend 4, it's probably a fair assessment to make that the battle between the two groups was a blowout in the Shinigami Captains' favor. Jugram as the Sternritter Grandmaster was the Sternritter Captain with Hubert as Vice Captain and Bazz-B akin to a new lower-rank seated officer(whose heilig pfeil didn't release the same amount of power as in the present time) gives some allusion to how different the power dynamics were 1,000 years ago. In fact, we know that Yamamoto alone killed Zeidritz, Hubert, and Algora, and defeated Yhwach with his bankai. It makes you wonder what role did Jugram and Bazz played, considering they survived. Also, there probably was a Byakuya/Renji or Ulquiorra/Grimmjow parallel with Jugram and Hubert as well, and it would've been interesting to see how that played out in battle. Also, I wonder if Jugram was influenced by Zeidritz(Yhwach's original aide/advisor) in anyway after 3 years of being Sternritter.
Jugram be like: No one can bully my younger brother but me.
I've missed this video ever since it was gone 😭
Nice. As I said before these two had an interesting dynamic, fire and ice. The fact that Yhwach was a known conqueror among humans is interesting, we definitely need a side series that looks into both Haschwalth and Bazzbee's early lives as well as Yhwach's campaigns. Makes you wonder how they disappeared from humanity's memory.
Ultraman?
So wouldn't Yhwach be a historical figure in the Bleach world?
@@0816M3RC Possibly, either the Shinigami pulled a massive collective memory wipe or Yhwach's actions were confined to certain localized areas where he was just another warlord.
@@manuelacosta9463 I dunno. I still call bullshit.
@@0816M3RC he can just be jesus kekw. No one believes he was a thing cause of how absurd he is and everyone thinks he some mythological god made up.
Anime is almost always so much more emotional than manga. Even knowing that the Black family emblem will be on his sword at the end isn’t going to be enough for me to not feel some type of way when it’s animated. If I choked up while reading it, I’ll for sure tear up watching it.
Same it was so sad when bazz b died thinking about the fact of becoming the strongest quincies together and haschwalth just walking away
MrTommo once again has come through with the quintessential analysis of character and storyline. Stellar work my man! 👌🏾
Thank you for bringing this back
I'm really excited to see the TYBW animated, and I know it's a long shot but I'm hoping the anime will add a bit more to it. Maybe adding in a few things Kubo intended to add, but didn't have the time to get too. Giving more depth to some if the Sternritter would be great to see. Obviously nothing that could change the overall story, but a little more emphasis on certain things could be nice.
I really don’t think it’s that far fetched for them to add some details and show a lot of the off screen fights I also would really like to see can’t fear your own world animated afterwards
@@plebula_9894 Yea it's pretty reasonable to think they'd add a bit more fluff to the fights, and maybe some extra info the manga didn't have. I haven't read CFYOW yet, but I've heard great things so I'll have to check it out when I get a chance.
Kubo is helping work on it so it can do more since when the arc was serialized he was sick
@@Someone2aswell Do you mind telling me where you found that information? I haven't heard anything about it, so I'd love to take a look.
@@JFN2760 I also read somewhere that Kubo is heavily involved in the development of the new anime. Don’t know where though I’d have to do some research again lol, my bad bro.
This was really well done and very engaging. I can't tell the last time I attentively sat through a 40+ hour-long video.
This is easily my favorite video so far
Tommo, you make the bleach series so much better. Kubo should be paying you
WOAW MAN !!!
In just 3 days, you gained nearly 10 000 subs !!!!
Your progress is incredible and I'm soooo glad for you, because it is well deserved.
And once again, a very good video.
Road to 100 000 !!!
Haschwalth is the unsong hero of the entire series as he set up yhwach defeat in the first place he the real tripple agent mvp
That he is. He had the realization that Yhwach's game was going to lead to mass extinction, there's no doubt he got the hint early on given how Yhwach was quick to kill even for petty trivialities.
His fight with Uriyu helped make him realise how he’s misplaced his values
Aw, I just realized you had to reupload the video. I left a comment under the first upload detailing my appreciation for the flashback of the two of them, and how intriguing their whole thing was. You really understand the topic and detail it well, I commend that. Out of all the Sternritter, I like Jugram the most, with Bazz-B, Bambietta, Askin and Gremmy being close contenders, too. I love all your videos and I can't wait for the TYBW anime analysis uploads.
Great analysis. I wish Kubo had given us more about them but the ending is satisfying. I can't wait to see how the anime will do this. xD
Yes! I was so sad I missed it before. I held it off and when I was ready found it gone! Happy now I get to see it, its a great analysis and I definitely needed this, cause first time reading it I didn't grasp the concept of their friendship. Now it makes way more sense!!! xD
Yeah I was looking for this video glad it’s back up!
Hashwalth also seems to be a bit similar to Tousen with his actions.
this was one of your best vids yet
I’m watching only 2 weeks after the initial post and you’ve already gained 10,000 subs? You’re insane dude, keep it up.
Honestly these guys should have been way more than they were. Bazz B upon introduction was giving off mad Grimmjow vibes. He should’ve been the initial rival for Ichigo in this arc. Seeing as Ichigo didn’t even have one this arc.
Nah I preferred Bazz-B being disconnected to Ichigo
@@mezasepkmn I can get that too, but I really think a lack of rival was one of my main gripes with the final arc.
I can see you take on this ngl
Excellent story, just excellent. Best character dynamics Kubo's ever done.
Excellent analysis
Another excellent video tommo i really loves between the conflicts of the quincies and their ideals like the story of jugramm and bazz and the instict if survival of the bambies makes in my opinion some quincies really great villains aside from what others say
I really enjoyed the video!!! Wow, I wonder how different things would've turned out if Jugram knew his worth from the start???
That was well done and yes this should have been a longer flashback
What are you talkkng about Haschwalth knew the whole time, he always planned to kill Yhwach . He sacrificed his friend to get that chance, that's what he regrets
Could have also been him sparing him from Yhwach seeing the true intentions through jugs eyes
your my favorite bleachtuber you know what your talking about and you can fill up the things i missed lol
Thanks for your hard work
Sternritters are the most royalest factions in fiction.. So epicly overpowered
Imagine a character analysis on yuushirou shihoin that would be an interesting curveball
I just love watching these videos posted only a year ago saying you’re close to 75K seeing you at 175K now.
New Video so soon? Oh fuck yeah I love it!!!
Also Haschwalth is a sympathetic character to me. It's pretty sad when he couldn't understand why Bazz B is staring daggers at him.
Good video man 👍🏾
I think kubo did an amazing job with this character and the antithesis between uryu and himself. The finale of the life of augrham is literally him being the reason why Yhwach is defeated. Without knowing it his death actually completes the plan of basbi which is awesom that when his hand opened and the family crest showed it for shadowed the fact of him during with no regrets that with his death he gave the person who shot the arrow that stole ywach powers and allowed ichigo to win. I think this was his plan all along to do this. He had the powers of the "almighty" and showed ywach his death so it would make sense he foresaw his own death and that he would kill basbi. I believe that he never forgot basbi and that he knew that by killing his friend it would mean he would die the way that he wanted him too. He wouldn't die by a shinigami or by ywach it was by his own hand and that it would bring basbi closure to know that he gave it his all and that his friend was not the weak one and would satisfy the curious thoughts but also would allow basbi to be acknowledged by his friend one final time.
This would allow haswhalt to then test uryu and make sure his resolve was there. Hashwalt was plagued by his guilt but with the power of the almighty I believe he was able to look into the sands and find the only options that was available to end the chapter of his friend and himself, to bring down ywach, and to make sure that all was laid to rest. It strikingly almost resembles the character of gin. Hashwalt really cared for his friend and while I think he was internally conflicted I believe that he ultimately chose to accomplish the plan of basbi due to him seeing the future with the almighty. I think kubo gives a layer of depth to this guy that is really fantastic and while I think he is designed to look conflicted I do believe that this was really something that kubo never strayed from in his writing of this character that his choice originally haunted him but he found a way by completing the plan of basbi, to get close to ywach, and then found a way to destroy him by realize it was not them who were meant to do it so. It prevented babsbi from being uterly humiliated by ywach, but also allowed them to both die together. Hence why the last shot is the family crest, it was written , I believe, to
Show that Hashwalt never forgot his friend.
Bro but here it's showing 82k subs... by the way nice video bro!
Hey tommo I've got a video idea for you what Stern Ritter might make a return in the hell arc and why most won't 🔥 not that you need the help your content is the best man just a suggestion though
I didn't mind re-watching this.
I already know I’m bout to be crying during that death scene when the anime drops.
I love these characters arc so much!
It is very true that Grimmjow and Ulquiorra’s relationship & rivalry is very underrated
I hope they do show where the quinces really lived. Like how juha Bach conquered them
A other good vidoe dude keep it up you rock
When I first saw Bazz B, I thought he gave off a Renji/Grimmjow vibe. And seeing him switch sides and fight alongside the allies just confirmed that feeling
Among the many things I’m salty about when it comes to this arc (No Ryuken/Ishin, Zero squad embarrassment, No thousand-year ago flaskback, etc,etc.. ).
The relationship of Juugo and Baz not having enough time is probably one of the most painful things about this arc.
Baz’s last thoughts and words to Juugo have stuck with me, and they will probably continue to for a long time to come.
In terms of conveying emotions, there are a few characters in animanga that conveyed their emotions the way Haschwalth conveyed his loneliness. The only moments that come to mind would be Luffy’s pain post-marineforde and Gon’s rage post Kite
I really do hope they flesh out the quincies in the new anime. One of the most important things that was missed in the manga was their backstory on how they were able to survive the quincy massacre and managed to build their army again and remain hidden for a very long time.
Your well elaborated thoughts really helped me appreciate Haschwalth, that I had considered a bland hunk of wood before. I think your line about him regretting his previous actions, but being too deep in the Sternritter business to turn back was especially emotionally resonant to me.
Thanks for great content review.. I think Bazz B risk dying at that early moment would’ve possibly had enough emotional info that made Hashwalt not follow Ywach anymore
The world ain't ready yet for the return of Bleach anime 🔥🔥#LetsGooo2022
FRIEND flashback is underrated imo. One of the parts of the Arc that stuck with me throughout the years…
The "Friend" flashback is really confusing, timeline-wise to me. Like you said, there's a clash between medieval cities/castles and modern clothes. When reading this portion, I actually thought this had taken place about a dozen years ago, but Yhwach's fallen Stern Ritters *are* there, like you said, so it *should* take place a thousand years ago. But how does that work in the logistics of the Stern Ritters existing? As Nodt clearly was picked up in the modern world, but Bazz B and Jugram are from the Crusades?? Yhwach I understand the longevity because he's a god, but are you telling me Bazz B and Jugram are also hundreds of years old? It's not even specified if the Quincies attack the Soul Society as fully fledged ghosts or that they went through the reishi conversion gate Urahara set up in the Soul Society arc for Chad, Orihime and Ishida.
There's so many little questions Kubo couldn't answer us.
Bruh, you’re the grandfather of all bleach knowledge
That go and save your friend and then the look at the emblem is gonna be crazy animated
More this is what I need lmao
i would happy if Kubo adding story about hubert in the anime soon.
You should do Duo versus battles. 4th &6th Espada vs Renji and his Captain. Or Quincy Duo vs Ichigo and Ishida
I think in soul society arc it’s Byakuya and Kenpachi, not Renji. Renji is just conflicted and does what he thinks is right, which coincidentally goes against soul society at that time, he’s loyal to them all the rest of the time. He doesn’t rebel like Kenpachi does because that is Kenpachi’s personality, he doesn’t care about anyone but himself similar to Grimmjow. Byakuya and Kenpachi have that abrasive relationship the entire manga. They are total opposites. Wish we got more of Bazz and Haschwalth, and other sternritters like Askin. Who knows, maybe we’ll get more in the anime from Kubo. Great video as always. You’ll be at 100k in no time. Best Bleach content by far.
Omg… This flashback is incredibly well written
Hey MrTommo will you do a video on grimmjaw and ulquiorra maybe?
A Beautiful analyzation.
So with this flash back is this a alternate past where we have things like quincies taking over the world or is this bleach world where its a time before the soul king was made and split the worlds. I'm just kinda confused.
Can I ask, since the one jump says in one panel with rukia saying to mayuri that mayuri is kind of has a battle with URAHARA with developing things and also says that URAHARA sells a lot of things from his shop. Does this means that it is confirmed that kisuke was still alive??
As soon as we start thinking of Bleach pasts, it becomes increasingly difficult to remember this is a world where the living die and gain super powers, or die and eat each other until they gain greater super powers. It's wild to remember every arrancar we see is a cluster of dead humans to say the least.
they were each other's only friends T_T they had different upbringings and personalities and young Bazz B had an ego because of his status but he also was kind and tried to help Jurgen when they were kids. Bazz B's ego was hurt when Yhwach chose Yurgen which put a strain on their friendship as Jurgen thought Bazz B resented him for that and Bazz B thought Jurgen left him behind but they still cared about each other.
Bazz B matured and was ready to follow Jurgen as a leader, he got upset for his sake when Yhwach announced Uryu as a successor as he only saw Jurgen as deserving, he still called him Jugo until the end and eventually was ready to accept defeat by his hands. Jurgen always stopped Bazz B's fights to protect him from getting killed by Yhwach who hated inner conflicts, he kept Bazz B's family's symbol on his sword, he was struggling to choose loyalty over friendship and maybe regretted it in the end (based on his last convo with Uryu).
i think Kubo did a good job writing their complicated relationship and backstory, very tragic too. they never got to resolve their miscommunication and talk everything out. i hope anime will do justice to their story and maybe Kubo even added something more to it.
bring back memories 😌
If the soul King is yhwach, s dad, who is his mom and why did they dump him in the world of the living. I could see why he'd be pissed
Plus it is mentioned that the Zero Squad protects the "Royal Family".
Who is the Royal Family?
My Hope is Yhwach mother is the ruler/god of Hell
@@k2basior
Yeah that would be awesome. Thx for the response
i love how there glags sign is literaally upside down peace sign
Do Bazz-B and Haschwalth remind anyone else of Axel and Saïx from Kingdom Hearts?
With the Hell Arc being a possibility, I truly hope they are able to do multiple seasons again when I thought TYBW arc would be it I was looking forward to an almost farewell tour much like The Lost Agent arc felt like now I hope for two or three more years of material and the reviews and expanding of this all time great universe which outside of Naruto I’ve felt is the most developed and intriguing though I know SAO and DBZ etc fans will disagree with. It’s just fun seeing a new generation learn what a great piece of art BLEACH was is and in the future hopefully will be.
Is soul king in hell as well? If everyone stronger than a limit end up in hell.
Josuke and Weather Report
Even though I saw this as a very cliche friends turned enemies story like Naruto & Sasuke which had me loose interest very quickly. I'm extremely glad they didn't mend their friendship and become allies after they fought. It was a nice change in that cliche.
I always thought that Bazz-B and Haschwalth lived in a separate dimension along with the other Echt Quinciesz kind of like how the Vandenreich itself is an alternate dimension mirroring Soul Society.
That final moment...
Real shit the trials of friendships and where it goes and ends.
There are a couple of images where young bazz b looks a bit like kuwaki from boruto
I love bleach and at times Kubo is an absolute genius but one thing that always irks me is that he cannot write a villain with much depth.Yhwach is kinda dull and honestly, so is Aizen. “Why?” “How?” “What?!?” You may ask. Well, the fact that they’re so distant from their underlings and you never see them extremely passionate or happy about their goals and ambitions. It’s always more compelling when SOME of the villains goals seem understandable or reasonable…it’s a way to relate to them, thus forcing us to be emotionally connected. Just imagine Yhwach actually caring for his Quincy underlings and was seen as a hero in the flashback. Imagine if it was indeed soul society that felt the Quincy were throwing off the balance of worlds by the way in which they used reishi…I’m pretty sure this was the justification that Kubo wrote when we first learned about the Quincy…💁🏾♂️ oh well, the Arc still slaps. Lol
40:35 That D E L I V E R Y
I just read that chapter yesterday
Quick question, and i know i need to read the manga lol. I thought quincies could manipulate the reishi around them to form constructs, how can the sternritter do things like make lightning, fire, people explode, and making zombies?
Sternritter have letters carved into their souls by Yhwacht. It's like Aizen giving Espada their Ressurection powers. So every single Sternritter has a unique ability like an Arrancar or Shinigami.