Howard Marks' Alarming Stock Market Prediction

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  • @HamishHodder
    @HamishHodder  22 дні тому +10

    Happy New Year! Back to weekly videos now :) The Howard Marks memo is linked in the description if you want to read it yourself.

  • @artemonstrick
    @artemonstrick 22 дні тому +242

    Weekly stock crash prediction incoming

    • @lukasvymetal2665
      @lukasvymetal2665 21 день тому +36

      it will be right, one day

    • @ericericson9282
      @ericericson9282 21 день тому +3

      You said it brother...

    • @AegonM
      @AegonM 21 день тому

      @@lukasvymetal2665 Even broken clock is right twice a day

    • @Aaayyyeeee214
      @Aaayyyeeee214 21 день тому

      Eh, give it 2-3 years, you'll see a crash within this cycle. Best bet is to have cash on hand or keep your money in anti inflationary stuff. Buffet exited the market, holding a record amount of cash. The credit borrowing (as well as default) amount muricans are at, is at an all time high. Also, the scarily similar current patterns on the overall market chart when you zoom out from years to decades to the 2007-2008 crash and even the great depression. The now slightly decreasing or stagnating housing prices (in Florida, no one is buying homes that have dropped as much as 20-30% from their initial listed selling price). And everything listed in this video. Not to mention if trump actually implements what he said he would, it would put upwards pressure on price with no stated plan to balance that pressure on the consumer side. Mass deportation, sweeping tariffs, union busting, pro merger/monopoly are all pro owner/producer with not a single policy to balance it on the consumer side. Mass deportation is going to put upwards pressure on prices, so will tariffs. Mergers will make it so there's no incentive to not price gouge as much as the consumer can afford due to no other choice on the consumer side, the only reason a monopoly wouldn't is out of the kindness of their hearts. All I'll say is, better safe than sorry.

    • @maylia3132
      @maylia3132 21 день тому

      @@lukasvymetal2665keep betting on 19 on roulette. ittl be right once

  • @wonderfully_madeJake
    @wonderfully_madeJake 13 днів тому +142

    Hey man, big shoutout to you and your colleagues for posting content like this. Just a couple of years back, I was working 14-hour shifts as a waiter, and I would watch different investing videos like this non-stop. They gave me confidence and hope that making money investing was actually possible.
    Now I’ve built a six-figure portfolio and partnered with different foundations aimed at helping the deaf community. Honestly, videos like these were a major reason I’m here today.

    • @KingsleyPack
      @KingsleyPack 13 днів тому +2

      I love this!!!!! Pls, how did you grow your portfolio? I would really appreciate any tips or information you provide... I spend extravagantly though I have created myself a spreadsheet for my finances.

    • @wonderfully_madeJake
      @wonderfully_madeJake 13 днів тому +4

      To be honest, I am not an expert myself, so I can't help with tips. I work with Michael Allen Eckrich. He's a licensed expert and from a credible firm. You could also look him up and consider working with him if you're interested.

    • @KingsleyPack
      @KingsleyPack 13 днів тому +1

      I have heard this F.A's name mentioned a couple of times during IAPd seminars. Thank you very much for your reply.

  • @ttrjw
    @ttrjw 22 дні тому +65

    Price/Earnings ratios are overcooked but trying to time the market is a mug's game.

    • @mikerodent3164
      @mikerodent3164 22 дні тому

      A certain "Warren Buffett" (made-up name?) writes to me, from somewhere obscure in Nebraska, assuring me that he's not "timing" anything, but that he "simply can't find anything worth buying right now" (!) so has a third of his "wealth" (such as it may be) in T-bills right now. Rather disingenuous, if I may say so, "Warren" (if that really is your name!).

    • @kylelarson5074
      @kylelarson5074 21 день тому +4

      when you can take huge profits and park them in 5% bonds who needs to time anything?

    • @jamiemiller6156
      @jamiemiller6156 21 день тому +2

      The overall P/E is high, but if you look at a majority of the market, things are not insane. It is a relatively small portion of the market that is a bit nuts, but even then, most of those high P/E companies are making money and growing like crazy.

    • @Marco-qt5nv
      @Marco-qt5nv 21 день тому

      market growth is high aswell and it might be going up even further

    • @kylelarson5074
      @kylelarson5074 21 день тому +1

      @ and the moment earnings forecasts start to get sandbagged valuations crash 20%

  • @Normazuckerman
    @Normazuckerman 14 днів тому +91

    You work for 42yrs to have $2m in your retirement, Meanwhile some people are putting just $20k in a meme coin for just few months and now they are multi millionaires I pray that anyone who reads this will be successful in life

    • @Jonathanridley0
      @Jonathanridley0 14 днів тому

      How did you manage to achieve that level of growth? I've been trying everything I can to improve my investments, l want to retire in a few years and I need a better diversification

    • @Normazuckerman
      @Normazuckerman 14 днів тому

      It's Katherine Grace Maier doing, she's changed my life.

    • @Isabellalorenzo-i9y
      @Isabellalorenzo-i9y 14 днів тому

      The first time we had tried, we invested €14,000 and after a week we received €50,230. That really helped us a lot to pay our bills.

    • @Henryjones0
      @Henryjones0 14 днів тому

      I'm new at this, please how can I reach her?

    • @Normazuckerman
      @Normazuckerman 14 днів тому

      she's mostly on Instagrams, using the user name

  • @Faildude009
    @Faildude009 22 дні тому +6

    welcome back Hamish and Happy new year. Hope you dont get sick too much this year

    • @HamishHodder
      @HamishHodder  22 дні тому +2

      thank you! 2025 will be the year of good health 😆

  • @benjamindover4337
    @benjamindover4337 21 день тому +20

    These companies don't pay dividends so it really doesn't matter how good their business is. All that matters is if you can find someone dumber than you to sell the stock to.

    • @vladislavgorshkov737
      @vladislavgorshkov737 20 днів тому

      Berkshire Hathaway for example - never paid dividends. However, the stock price of Class A shares went from 20k per share in 1990s to 700k now - 3,500 % capital appreciation

    • @drexelspivey872
      @drexelspivey872 18 днів тому

      You have 0 understanding of the stock market do you?

    • @benjamindover4337
      @benjamindover4337 18 днів тому

      @drexelspivey872 no, you

  • @NachoNov90
    @NachoNov90 22 дні тому +21

    The thing is, if this is a bubble just about to burst, this must be the most anticipated and covered bubble in history. I mean it's been for more than 2 years that I've been reading and watching this kinds of warnings. However it's true that mass media is not specially talking about this, and also nowadays information and media like UA-cam and social networks provide such a quantity of content and such decentralized (as this vid for instance) that my first statement could be biased by that. The fact is, the correction will come, as naturally as leaves fall due to gravity. Despite all, I've been receiving warnings from a lot of different sources to the point that if the market collapses I won't be surprised. But boy I'm hell of invested by now, I hope it's not as hard as 01 or 08... Or the combination of both.

    • @Daniel7evens
      @Daniel7evens 21 день тому

      Once they start dragging people out by the hair, tides will shift in a bad way…

    • @David_Lloyd-Jones
      @David_Lloyd-Jones 21 день тому

      @@Daniel7evens
      And vice versa.

    • @Daniel7evens
      @Daniel7evens 21 день тому

      @@David_Lloyd-Jones reverse

    • @MurderMostFowl
      @MurderMostFowl 18 днів тому

      Yes, I think you’re just more aware now. I definitely remember some boggle heads and early Mötley fool people talking about a coming crash back in the day. I was young enough that I didn’t do anything differently and just dollar cost averaged my way upward…

    • @isabelleb25
      @isabelleb25 9 днів тому

      Yes tHis TiME itS dIFFereNt

  • @delfimoliveira8883
    @delfimoliveira8883 19 днів тому +4

    The Buffet Indicator is now 208 of GDP and the private debt is at 2007 levels
    The markets will deflate or burst and the investors are in magical thinking mode

  • @adamarket
    @adamarket 13 днів тому +2

    The thing about 'The Madness of Crowds' is you can still make a lot of money consciously going along with the madness. In my retail investing life which started in 1997, I've seen a number of bear markets. The consistent thing about each one is the general sentiment among professional commentators, industry insiders, etc. was they had no clue it was coming (or at least didn't admit it publicly).

  • @nonexistent5030
    @nonexistent5030 21 день тому +8

    Howard Mark's: "Everyone's asking me if we're in a bubble. I don't think so,but markets aren't cheap.
    Everyone else: Howard Mark's says we're in a bubble!!!

    • @RyanStronach
      @RyanStronach 20 днів тому +1

      What's the title of the memo again?

    • @SaxonSuccess
      @SaxonSuccess День тому

      Instead of worrying about stock markets, why don't you learn how to use apostrophes correctly?
      His name is "Howard Marks".

  • @MarathonKevin
    @MarathonKevin 21 день тому +13

    Time in the market beats timing the market. If a 50% market drop scares you, you seriously need to reevaluate your portfolio's asset allocation

    • @visceralcinema
      @visceralcinema 18 днів тому +1

      Yuppers. Called "hedging" and using the "sharpe ratio"!

  • @Nick_Henri
    @Nick_Henri 19 днів тому +1

    The PE ratio isn't a great predictor of upcoming stock market direction but when at extremes the CAPE can often provide a pretty good indication of what's to come. It's currently sitting at it's 3rd highest point ever, suggesting the market is incredibly expensive. The market doesn't typically reach this point without a pretty nasty correction not too long after. Sure, the market might keep going for a while longer, but if history suggests average returns over the coming decade will be +/-2% and that there's a very high likelihood of a painful correction around the corner, why take the risk. Especially if there are low risk options returning 3-4%.

  • @David_Lloyd-Jones
    @David_Lloyd-Jones 21 день тому +2

    Superb video analogy at the opening!

  • @Hank-ry9bz
    @Hank-ry9bz 3 дні тому

    do you have a link to the jp morgan paper which has the chart shown at 10:57?

  • @schmoofadoop
    @schmoofadoop 21 день тому

    i really enjoyed this one, thanks! also, may i ask your mic? SM58? your vocal sounds great, so many people invest in a SM7B and don't set things up properly, sounding lousy... whatever you're signal chain is audio wise, it sounds great man

  • @mu5hshro0m
    @mu5hshro0m 22 дні тому +1

    Great vid. Let’s cook that bubble a bit more. Anecdotally only 15% of my friends are risk on in market. Ways to go according to this young man

  • @DavidSmith-do6ji
    @DavidSmith-do6ji 22 дні тому

    Always good to see you Hamish, David, UK 👍🏼.

  • @overdrive71080
    @overdrive71080 15 днів тому

    The best way to play the markets IMO is every red day for your stock or stocks buy, especially if it’s a good company with good fundamentals

  • @ishanarora5764
    @ishanarora5764 22 дні тому +1

    Brilliant stuff mate👍👍

  • @chimbuzi1
    @chimbuzi1 22 дні тому

    is there divergence between main street and wall street is it getting wider ?

  • @joschkahurst
    @joschkahurst 22 дні тому

    Dr. Howard Marks is full of wisdom

  • @dat_boii
    @dat_boii 21 день тому

    It's only a 2% ROI over 10 years if you don't buy the dips/DCA. If I'd merely held my Tesla shares from 4 years ago I'd probably be up about 8%. Instead I'm up 100% because I used the low points as buying opportunities to load up on more.

  • @gordongekko2781
    @gordongekko2781 21 день тому +1

    CORRECTION: There is a group of clients saying "no price is too high". That group is all of the megacap tech companies that have been buying up Nvidia GPU's. These companies are literally paying the same price as a brand new car for each chip they purchase. That isn't going to last much longer. And that buying frenzy is the only thing propping up the entire AI rally at this stage.

    • @alexroc172
      @alexroc172 14 днів тому

      Yes! The buying frenzy in AI stock is like a self-fulfilling prophecy that increases FOMO. Its like a Ponzi scheme...just wait till they start selling the stock!

  • @maximayr9297
    @maximayr9297 22 дні тому +2

    I took this year to imvest in other countries. I dont think there will be a collapse this year, but the risk is too high to stay invested in the us

    • @mikerodent3164
      @mikerodent3164 22 дні тому +2

      This is sensible. But when America sneezes... In reality it's difficult to know whether a bubble centred on a handful of superhuge tech stocks will, when it bursts, spread to other stock classes, either in the US or elsewhere. Panic is the final (5th) stage of a bubble: historically it has tended to be contagious, far beyond anything rationality can explain.

    • @maximayr9297
      @maximayr9297 22 дні тому

      @mikerodent3164 I own small caps that have ober 80% earnings outside the US. If I want to minimize us risk, I wanna do it right

    •  21 день тому +1

      If there’s a collapse how do you know it won’t affect other countries?

    • @matshaller6163
      @matshaller6163 10 днів тому

      It will affect all stock markets but for the companies not directly related to the AI rally, the recovery will likely be quicker

  • @whatsup3519
    @whatsup3519 22 дні тому +1

    How to make qualitative analysis. Pls explore more about this or expectinga reply

  • @maximayr9297
    @maximayr9297 22 дні тому +5

    Forward pe ratios always sound cool, but what if that is also way too optimistic? Then Nvidia doesnt trade at 30 but rather at a 50 or 60 pe next year

    • @HamishHodder
      @HamishHodder  22 дні тому +2

      agreed. forward earnings work until they don't

    • @alexroc172
      @alexroc172 14 днів тому

      In April 2023 Nvidia's forward P/E ratio was 140 !...now it's around 40.
      That in itself is a massive sign that these ratios are extremely misleading and probably incorrect.

  • @lewis809
    @lewis809 22 дні тому

    I definitely agree about the PE from an investors perspective, however I actually think that a lot of what happens is fund managers looking for ‘safe’ places to put their clients money. They will happily buy an nvidia at PE of 30 if it meets ESG criteria, looks like it’s increasing earnings and everyone else is doing it to! Although as investors we know this is not the right way to think about a PE, it’s safe to say I can understand why certain companies will trade at higher PE’s than justified.

  • @DonTrades1031
    @DonTrades1031 21 день тому

    No bullshit this video changed my life and I just watched it

  • @John-tp5gc
    @John-tp5gc 18 днів тому +1

    Been hearing this since 2008.

  • @AusxStylez
    @AusxStylez 22 дні тому +3

    Good to see a fresh vid Hamish. Strange question… but how do you get your “invite” to the berkshire meeting after owning a share?

    • @HamishHodder
      @HamishHodder  22 дні тому +3

      thank you! there's a form on the Berkshire website you can fill out to receive your pass or you can collect a pass physically at the venue the day before.

    • @AusxStylez
      @AusxStylez 16 днів тому

      @ Thanks Hamish, one day i’ll go over to omaha. From west oz here.

  • @plica06
    @plica06 21 день тому

    I was wondering where the hell is that Aussie Hamish Macbeth gone?! Good to see you back mate!

  • @dr.naressurasith7115
    @dr.naressurasith7115 22 дні тому

    welcome back, don't forget to come and share your useful ideas, we are waiting for.

  • @TimonWeller-o7z
    @TimonWeller-o7z 21 день тому +1

    Always make sure to factor in U.S. dollar currency debasement into your formulas, when you do you will see quality global stocks are actually not as expensive as you think. If you value stocks in $GOLD, $SILVER or $BTC you will also see that they are getting cheaper and cheaper during this time. Think about it.

  • @DillonNagar
    @DillonNagar 22 дні тому

    Great warning

  • @rickhicks2445
    @rickhicks2445 День тому

    "POP" isn't that what happens to bubbles?

  • @AFC0712
    @AFC0712 20 днів тому +4

    even a broken clock is right twice a day

  • @charleshart5563
    @charleshart5563 21 день тому

    Yield curve when it uninverted we shall see.

  • @whereareyourshorts
    @whereareyourshorts 22 дні тому +1

    I just commented on the last video to where are your videos !!!!!

  • @grevberg
    @grevberg 21 день тому +1

    Tesla is an extreme example.

  • @megguardio5676
    @megguardio5676 21 день тому +4

    This is the same video threat from 2022, 2023, 2024…. Yeah it’s going to happen…. Sometime. Be ready and have cash to invest on the bottom upswing…..simple.

    • @vladislavgorshkov737
      @vladislavgorshkov737 20 днів тому +1

      actually it was about to happen in 2020s when USA saved banking financing sector with trillions and boosted spending among people

  • @KozyTapes
    @KozyTapes 21 день тому

    Sure hope you got the express written consent of Oaktree to use his podcast

  • @tHebUm18
    @tHebUm18 21 день тому

    Guess we'll see what happens longer term, but I recently anti-timed the market. Mid-December I decided to invest a good deal of money I'd had sitting on the sidelines (half to invest long term decade+, half I won't need for at least 3 years) in some index funds. Immediately the S&P lost 3% in a single day and has dropped another 1% since. Can't know the future, but RIP losing over a half a year of long term S&P performance in under a month.

  • @hkbahia
    @hkbahia 20 днів тому

    If people in the market for long game then if it crashes then even better cus you buy things at a discount!

  • @rodneydowd4739
    @rodneydowd4739 21 день тому

    So what are you saying?

    • @riley3269
      @riley3269 21 день тому +1

      That there are signs of a bubble but no one can predict these things very accurately

  • @investingwiththefrenchy2674
    @investingwiththefrenchy2674 22 дні тому +2

    I believe there is a spelling mistake in your title.

  • @tomfitz1546
    @tomfitz1546 21 день тому +1

    This is how i know we are about to moon again

  • @danielkanyo9417
    @danielkanyo9417 22 дні тому +2

    Far more money has been lost by investors preparing for corrections, or trying to anticipate corrections, than has been lost in corrections themselves. - Peter Lynch

  • @maackiaamurensis5703
    @maackiaamurensis5703 20 днів тому

    You are screwed both ways. By inflation and the risk of stocks crashing.

  • @Drone-h2i
    @Drone-h2i 22 дні тому +2

    Everything can be a bubble, even the price of gold.

  • @danielbarton8247
    @danielbarton8247 21 день тому +1

    This sounds EXACTLY like every Tesla stock investor. tO tHe MoOn DiAmOnD hAnDs! Derp! $800 price target PE of 300! No price too high!

  • @tecomaman
    @tecomaman 21 день тому

    If you bought a stock too high ,sell it

  • @chnrbk1
    @chnrbk1 21 день тому +1

    Big crash tomorrow, chances 70%. Mostly the quantum like RGTI and technology stocks . Play safe

  • @zachzeurcher6450
    @zachzeurcher6450 21 день тому +1

    Fear index is high. Euphoria isn't there. We still have more to go.

  • @u2fkeys665
    @u2fkeys665 22 дні тому +1

    SELL!!

  • @anthony6841
    @anthony6841 21 день тому

    For more than a year your videos are about the market crashing

  • @HansonLaser
    @HansonLaser 20 днів тому

    They want you out. So you'll get back in

  • @MurderMostFowl
    @MurderMostFowl 18 днів тому

    And buy leap puts for magnificent 7 stocks… Tesla in particular is the weakest of them all in PE, margins and anticipated growth.

  • @paulhurst4445
    @paulhurst4445 21 день тому

    So basically you say that stocks are like fads or high fashion. Like Beanie Babies or Fidget Spinners. That would make Elon Musk the Karl Lagerfeld of electric cars and space junk.

  • @Nur45382
    @Nur45382 20 днів тому

    the music is stupid

  • @xerogue
    @xerogue 22 дні тому +4

    “Is the stock market Is about to collapse”

    • @HamishHodder
      @HamishHodder  22 дні тому +5

      I'm a little rusty, haven't done this in a while... 😆

    • @sam.lipchutz
      @sam.lipchutz 22 дні тому +3

      If I had a dime for every time I’ve heard that I could retire today. Even if it does crash it’ll rise up twice as high within a few years.

    • @sgtdrake
      @sgtdrake 22 дні тому +1

      ​@@HamishHodderNever gonna live it down now. That guy said it in the comments.😂

    • @Ferdinand208
      @Ferdinand208 21 день тому

      All your base is belong to us

  • @cirodirosa6752
    @cirodirosa6752 22 дні тому +1

    DCA

  • @charlestempest3474
    @charlestempest3474 19 днів тому

    Back in the late summer of 1929, a certain Wall Street broker started getting tips from the shoe shine boy, after paying the lad, he went back to his office and sold nearly all his stocks; the S & P fell that Sept, beginning the depressed 1930's. I personally don't believe we are there yet, if only for the believers in Trump et al. But, if the US market goes up, appreciably, these first 2025 two quarters...it's up to you to decide...

  • @vongillan
    @vongillan 20 днів тому

    The opposite of everything in this video is truth

  • @tancreddehauteville764
    @tancreddehauteville764 21 день тому +1

    The daily BS.

  • @ZorakWars
    @ZorakWars 21 день тому +2

    That AI reading of investopedia articles is very annoying.

    • @plica06
      @plica06 21 день тому

      I for one sincerely hope those advanced next generation cyborgs are getting their fair share of royalties for all their efforts.

    • @HamishHodder
      @HamishHodder  21 день тому +3

      not AI, Howard Marks records the audio version of his memos :)

    • @HamishHodder
      @HamishHodder  21 день тому +2

      not AI, Howard Marks records the audio version of his memos :)

  • @axltothemaxl5368
    @axltothemaxl5368 21 день тому +1

    Ditch the awkward AI reader, total turn off

  • @financeguy8444
    @financeguy8444 21 день тому

    What is the average P/E in your portfolio? Don't know? Find out it's not hard. Don't be a victim.

  • @robstone9628
    @robstone9628 21 день тому

    AI voice reading quotes is very obnoxious

  • @BB-cr9ry
    @BB-cr9ry 20 днів тому

    No bubble, only up

  • @oliversmith7820
    @oliversmith7820 21 день тому

    👍

  • @stevemcewin8852
    @stevemcewin8852 21 день тому

    Is Bitcoin's P/E too high

  • @arinobody3890
    @arinobody3890 18 днів тому

    Full of

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      @chesterstanley8487 21 день тому

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      @chesterstanley8487 21 день тому

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  • @richardf76
    @richardf76 21 день тому

    Stocks are not really going up.
    The value of money is going down exponentially until the US dollar becomes worthless.
    If you know the dollar is going to be worth close to nothing in 5 or 10 years but some of these stocks should still be around then it makes sense to trade dollars for overpriced stocks.
    This is the end of the 80-100 year long term debt cycle.
    Asset prices don’t crash down, they melt up.
    Currency is what becomes worthless.
    The US dollar is only valuable as a medium of exchange now and not a store of value.

    • @twix-w3f
      @twix-w3f 10 днів тому

      A few logic flaws-US Dollar is at the records highs in decades against major currencies and have no sighns of slowing its growth. Another is assets-stocks are not assets, they can and do crash from time to time regardless of inflation/sentiment/economy

    • @richardf76
      @richardf76 10 днів тому

      @ same thing happened to the German mark in Weimar Germany.
      I never said US dollar will fail first. It probably won’t, but all the current currencies will be replaced with superior technology, not just the usd.
      It will just hit Americans harder than most other people.
      Just because you want this to be false, doesn’t mean it is.

    • @twix-w3f
      @twix-w3f 9 днів тому

      Its funny how people think that US Dollar is going busted, while in reality it is the strongest currency and getting stronger every year against all other currencies for more than a decade now. The thing that will happen is that all other currencies will be worthless against US Dollar ,

    • @richardf76
      @richardf76 9 днів тому

      @ 😂😂😂 your answer is a combination of nationalistic pride and ignorance… I love it. The more people that “think” like you, the richer I get.

    • @twix-w3f
      @twix-w3f 8 днів тому

      Have you tried to go overseas? US Dollar is king in any country, beating all currencies to dust.

  • @MINGREN-z7c
    @MINGREN-z7c 16 днів тому

    ZZZZZZZZZZZ.............................