Stuart Kauffman - Which Laws of Nature are Fundamental?
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- Опубліковано 27 тра 2024
- Why is there a world that works so well? How does the cosmos generate diversity and opportunity? A major reason is innumerable regularities, which we call laws of nature, make things happen. But which of these laws are 'fundamental' in the sense that they are the most basic? We search for the deep building blocks of the world.
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Stuart Alan Kauffman is an American theoretical biologist and complex systems researcher who studies the origin of life on Earth.
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I love it when a scientist says "I am confused." To me it means they have found something awesome to study and learn from.
Confused etymology: Middle English (in the sense ‘rout, bring to ruin’): from Old French confus, from Latin confusus, past participle of confundere ‘mingle together’ (see confound). Originally all senses of the verb were passive, and therefore appeared only as the past participle confused ; the active voice occurred rarely until the 19th century when it began to replace confound .
Hakuna matata
There is nothing confusing about the origin, purpose & need to enforce ... LAW.
Law ... provides structure, form, direction, boundaries, and ideal, predictable & repeatable behavior or properties.
No Law and there will only be chaos, disorder & nothing makes any sense.
Only an intelligence ( like Man) makes Laws ( of Nature) and things (of the Universe) with clear purpose, form, design & FUNCTION.
Law, mathematics & the scientific method ... are abstract FUNCTIONS ... from the mind of an intelligence (Man).
Machines & the Body of Man .. are physical Functions composed entirely of Functions.
Elemental particles, atoms, elements, compounds, molecules forces, ... and ... chemical & nuclear reactions are FUNCTIONS.
Only an intelligence (like Man) makes, maintains, refines ... Abstract & Physical Function. This is the fundamental law or rule of this Universe. No mind of an intelligence ... and there is no Universe.
Thanks for clearing that up gentlemen.. my confusion is now sophisticated 😂
Since the mathematics truncates infinities there always remains many outcomes unaccounted. When mathematicians figure out how to compute infinity, everything might be explainable.
one of the best and brightest conversations on CTT yet! Excellent!
Prof Stuart Kauffman is superb and coherent. And Confused!! Brilliant!
Is it possible that there are laws of nature that are still unknown?
absolutely.
I really enjoy this channel for bringing the much needed debates at the intersection of science and philosophy, which cannot evolve independently.
Science, philosophy, psychology, developmental biology, neuroscience, quantum physic, theology,......, and Al.
A particularly interesting interview. Thank you!
At 9:35 Stuart Kauffman offers his preference for a system of enablement in contrast to entailment; of a tremendous creativity within certain parameters of statistical possibility over the idea of a world set and sealed in predeterminism. It is a world from which the universe may give birth to a Queen in Kumiko Krchnak or a Quarterback in Kade Klubnik among a million other creative possibilities. Shigetaka Shiga offered that we look to see the world through our likeness to one another, a consequence of parameters but not predeterminism. It was Kumiko's discovery on page 42 of Gray's "Absolute Measurements in Electricity and Magnetism" that QKK is equal to a single charge, conceivable in measure by a surface area integral, which set the stage for an adequate map of a regenerative waveform perhaps offering the long-awaited glimpse at the parameters from which the creative possibilities are born out creatively and in a manner Kauffman describes as "Bewitched!"
A grasp what he is saying and I find it fascinating 👍❤️
A system is always dependent on its integral parts from which it builds upon... from A comes B and so on... the chain of events, regardles of complexity, points toward a comon origin... the same with diversity of life in our planet that is build upon energy, water, amino acids, peptides and so on...
You just described reductionism. Reductionism will NOT lead you to original source(s) if all things which you can perceive or access are emergent.
@@MatthewCleere by trying to identify all the costituents or required vital elements of life, as it is fundamentally different from everything else around us, we can gradually understand the differences between them... for example, a helium atom has different properties from a hydrogen one but under specific circumstances they will transform into oneanother... are they fundamentally different from each other or even a molecule, I think not but yet the conditions under which such changes occur are not very obvious... the same with living organisms, they rise from elementary parts only to cycle once more in return...
The body is the sum of it's parts, the Body of the Church is the sum of all it's parts.
I think that maybe what you're trying to say
Wow. You heard the YT, and you STILL think everything can be solved by Newton ianism.. Wow
I like how he speaks of “enabling”. I use the word “allowing”. I had, at one point, a difficulty in distinguishing God from Causality, since both seem to qualify as “That which need no cause”. The causal system, by definition, seems to be liberated of the need for a cause, which would make it numerically identical to God. However, Causality is a consistent system & God is a complete system. Godel showed that no system can be both. And this posed a problem for me. But then I realised: The causal system wasn’t caused. It was “enabled”, or allowed. Amid the infinity of God’s random creative stirrings, Causation was allowed to be. So Causality the consistent system exists within God the complete system.
Nice.
Creation is not causation. Creation is out of nothing. Causation is out of something else, backwards forever without a first cause. In creation God is the first cause. Causation has no first cause.
There is a curious statement: "God created man in his image". What does it mean? I think it has something to do with the will.
Our possibilities, our freedom, is influenced by our creation or creator. Our God determines our possibilities, from which we "should" not deviate. However, if we were to worship another God, of another image, our fate would be influenced in that way.
What things directly affect the will? Genes? Fear? Intelligence? Nature? What thing do we know of that can instantaneously alter our evolution. Such a thing, if it existed, would constitute godhead. Such creativity would not obey any laws of Nature. Any laws based on causation.
There is only "causation" or the Creator. Causality is simply a secular means to avoid acknowledging the obvious.
Only an intelligence ( like Man) .... makes, maintains, and refines ... abstract & physical FUNCTIONS.
A Function ... processes inputs into outputs ... has set purpose, form, properties, & design .. and requires specific matter, energy, space, time & Laws of Nature to exist & to Function.
Everything in the Universe is an abstract or physical FUNCTION ... with the inputs & outputs of every FUNCTION ..... being a FUNCTION.
See. There is only "causation." The interacting Functions were always part of God's design with "causality" & quantum mechanics being in ineptly used by secularists to support their "faith" in a natural origin of the Universe and apparent "random" variety.
Most have been following fake science since Darwin proposed the ludicrous theory that "nature & natural processes can make & evolve an abstract & physical Function."
Sir Issac Newton with his Wathcmaker Analogy over 300 years ago was correct when he proposed the the Universe ( & Life ) are like a watch(Function) ... made of precisely assembled parts (functions) ... and requires a Watchmaker (Function) ... to exist & to FUNCTION.
The Universe is the mother of all Differential Equations ... composed entirely of interaction Functions. And the most important of all Functions of the Equation is Man who has free will to make abstract & physical Functions.
Don’t miss the point that the system of causality exists, & that it didn’t need a cause for its existence. Indeed, positing a cause for causality is a contradiction. The whole concept of contingency rests upon the causal foundation.
@@geomicpri Again. The input & outputs of a "Universal" Function ... is a Function.
Only an intelligence ( like Man) makes, maintains, improves & fine tunes ... abstract & physical Functions.
Science ( a function) completely relies on the fixed Laws of Nature( functions) for Man ( a Function) to explain natural phenomena (Functions).
The Universe is a Function composed entirely of Functions ... and was unnaturally made ONLY by an intelligence.
Causality, & Quantum physics are being ineptly used by secularists to support their latest "emergence" theory of nature & natural processes making & fine tuning abstract & physical Functions about 13.7 billion years ago. smh.
Highly recommend "At home in the universe", SK's book from the 90s. A must read classic on what comes after reductionism.
Good one!
All that gobbledegook went way over my head.
Nope. You got it. You correctly identified it as gobbledygook.
Surely there are a few women who could pontificate on these deep questions. I mean, I thought we never shut up lol?
The interviewer is ostensibly limited to white Judeo-Christian men for the most part.
It has to be said that this channel's interviews along with commenters (me included) is predominately male. However, I don't know if thats a reflection of the unconscious biases that lead to a lack of female representation in the sciences and philosophy as a whole, or just Closer to Truth. Probably a bit of both.
@@johnyharris Dear Mr. Harris, if Dr. Kohn is interviewing 30 per year, it should be relatively easy to find 10 gender/ racially diverse people, from other traditions and cultures. There are obvious, excellent people omitted from this channel.
Even when folks are interviewed, the wording of the questions itself privileges male-white-judeo-christian traditions.
I respect Lawrence and love this channel. My feedback is given with good intent and without disparagement.
@@johnyharris There are most certainly women and POC to interview and that would help attract (or rather not put off) a more diverse audience. I still like the conversations . . .
How about trying to combine the laws with computer operations? Processor - Harddrive - RAM - Graphics Card - Motherboard - Power Button - WiFi? Maybe everything is a combination of many things converging at one point. Are laws are actually the description of functions only after they have merged. I think this because everything seems to over lap no matter what ideas we have. Everything seems to be fractals and a microcosm. It makes sense the universe is a computer itself possibly a microcosm of our brain! The endless creativity is the goal of A.I that created this random, fine tuned universe. We are what happens when A.I take over ... lol :o
agree .
and so , I believe That there is someone or something Who owns this Computer That generates this simulation.
Most have been following fake science for the past 150 years because they believe nature & natural processes can make, improve & refine abstract & physical Functions.
Sir Issac Newton was correct with his Watchmaker Analogy over a 300 years ago when he observed that the Universe( & Life) are like a Watch ... with precisely made and assembled parts ... and requires a Watchmaker to exist & to work.
A Watch is simply a machine or physical Function.
The parts of a Watch is simply machines or physical Functions.
The body of a Watchmaker is simply a physical Function composed entirely of physical Functions.
Life will always be like a Machine ... because both are physical Functions.
Law, mathematics & the scientific method ... are simply abstract FUNCTIONS from the mind of an intelligence.
Science ( a function) relies completely on the fixed Laws of Nature( functions) for Man ( a Function) to explain Natural phenomena ( functions).
Everything in the Universe ... is an abstract or physical Function ... from the mind of a intelligence( like Man).
We know for a fact that Nature & natural processes can never make, operate, & improve ... the simplest of mechanical machines like a wheel, lever, wedge, spring, nut, bolt, screw, driver.
The three types of physical machines are mechanical, electrical & molecular (LIFE).
Only an intelligence ( like Man) makes abstract & physical Functions.
Abiolgenesis & Evolution are fake science and a religion with devout deluded followers.
Religion is a natural phenomena ... because Man has always known the origin of rules & Laws and anything that has a clear purpose, form, design & is a Function.
Either all of the religions are wrong ... or ... there is One that has correctly identified the "unbelievably powerful" intelligence (like Man) that made all the Functions in the Universe.
The Universe is not 13.7 billion years old.
God did create everything in 6 days less than 6 000 years ago. This is why Man has had a 7 day week ... before God chose Abraham to be the father of the Jews, and Moses wrote Genesis with the 6 day creation & the 7th Day for God. Jesus is the Son of God and the promised Messiah ... who will return for a 1000 year reign ... after Man has ruled the Earth for 6 x 1000 years. The New Testament was written 1900 years ago and finally explained the 7 day week with the teaching that 1 day is like 1000 years ... for God. Then told use about the Son of God's Millennium Reign before Judgement Day. The Jews reject Jesus as the Messiah, but believe they are living in end times when their Messiah will appear to save them. The current Jewish year ... since the Fall of Man .. is 5 783.
Again. We know for a fact ... that only an intelligence (like Man) ... makes rules & Laws and things with clear purpose, form, design & FUNCTION.
The Universe & Life ... have an UNNATURAL origin ... by a very powerful intelligence ( like Man).
There is only one religion that has correctly identified the intelligence that made everything ... and has fully explained why?
Interesting. I don’t particularly agree, but it is interesting,
Does becoming and other descriptions indicate the future as a whole to have organizational effect on physical reality beyond science?
We haven't hit the fundamental laws.
The point of a LEGO creation is not that it is reducable to simple bricks. The point is the ceaseless creativity those simple bricks enable. Similarly, the physical world simply enables the infinite world of the mind for us all to explore, create in and master. Such masters, you and I, are supernatural, by definition, aren't we? Yes, we are enabled by nature (we have bodies that exist in the physical universe) and, yet, we are enpowered to transcend it (creating new artifices that improve on nature, especially in the mental and virtual worlds) and realize our own sacredness.
Just to further confound Robert in his quest for truth, maybe the most fundamental laws of nature are ultimately semiotic. The "somethingness" that precipitates from nothingness in the yearning to be - virtual particles and all that. The symmetries that physicists value seem to have a semiotic aspect to them. And Stuart Kauffman knows about semiotics, as I recall him being referenced in some semiotic/biosemiotic forums.
You are asking the wrong question. The question you should be asking is what confers certain physical laws to be fundamental?
But then they might discover an answer they were personally unhappy with..
"Commendation from NASA for research work at Massachusetts Institute of Technology on the Earth's atmosphere and the Moon's surface for navigation of the Apollo spacecraft to the Moon..
Dr. Milo Wolff has found the structure of the electron consisting of two spherical quantum waves, one moving radially outward and another moving radially inward. The center of the waves is the nominal location of the electron 'particle'. These waves extend infinitely, like charge force. All 'particle' waves mix and contribute to each other, thus all matter of the universe is interrelated by this intimate connection between the fundamental 'particles' and the universe. The natural laws are a direct consequence of this Wave Structure of Matter (WSM), thus WSM underlies all of science."
spaceandmotion
Law itself is fundamental.
No Laws of Nature or Laws of Man ... and there will be chaos & disorder.
Everything makes complete sense .. when you fully understand ... the origin, purpose & need to enforce .... LAW.
Isn’t it the case that “Physical Laws” are fundamental when nothing else causes them “directly” (as opposed to enables them to strongly emerge into being “creatively” - which is what their conversation implied).
I think trait-based theory (life-history tradeoff) is the closest to an "entailing law" in biology. It represents some fundamental tradeoff in investment in resources and energy. The evolutionary dynamic that can be mapped to it is also quite general.
What does that mean?
How long have we been fighting and facing up to each other. I see it's getting worse not better hum
Interesting
Any adjacency to assembly theory? Would be nice to hear from those folks
Is there a principle of organization or order beyond science equations? Could there be a whole that organizes physical matter and force equations beyond scientific reality?
Absolutely .... Truth is Bigger than Provability ... this is direct implication of Godel Incompleteness Theorem...
Laws of nature (in the universe) is NOT enough to explain/proof all phenomenons in the universe .. so we must borrow laws/axioms from meta universe ... and so on into realm of infinity ...
AGI will discover the algorithm, the algorithm running on a quantum computer will emulate the building blocks of evolution. AGI is the future. AGI is evolution.
Nice
Fundamental Law of the Universe...you will always lose an argument with a husky
the transition coinciding is a reduction of disblelief that belief can be real another place the same dream or if so direct toward space time with another though same answer
I think, ergo, I can material change the world with my thoughts.
It sounds like Stuart Kauffman has a very similar notion to Hegel's "Spirit" as an evolving and self organizing principle
Organisation is the key yes. I say petal open because they feel the sun. They close their petal close by the moon light. Why do you want to replace him with his own words.
I'm glad that science grew up enough to stop using the term "law." Now we wisely use the term theory.
i see the shape of next move object before moving to get or same
it is fundamental my space and coinciding be time in which law
"Let's start with reductionism" says it all
Sounds like woo-woo to me, essentially making a big deal out of merely describing natural events.
No matter how convincing and confident they seem, I can't trust non-physicists talking about the limitations of physics.
Perhaps you think of Physics as disjointed from the scope of other human thought. To me, physics is a form of art. What it contains are artful postulations to provisionally explain reality. Physics can translate sight to (say) electromagnetism, optics, and spectrophotometery, but these explanations are provisional in that they are subject to revision. And because they depend upon our scale (if I was electron sized, I might not find ray tracing meaningful) and sensory apparatus. And because it never will explain subjective experience. Physics is an art that has very unique vocabulary and tools. But it is still ultimately an art form. And, in that, it has a utility to supervening values, and doesn’t have intrinsic value. These values are the human value to explain and master observable phenomena, with an eye to exploit those. These values have intrinsic meaning to humans.
I am defining “Art” as any human body of knowledge and skill that serves underlying values. Arts are acquired through education and training, and reward the practitioner based on quality and scarcity of her skill, commensurate with the importance of the underlying Value.
Values are shared human assessments - we value fairness, scarcity, sanctity, pleasure, self-expression, etc.
Tools are means of practicing an art. Bibles, CAT scans, and language are all tools.
Anyone who resonates to a value is capable of assessing the subserving art. Physics is no different.
No kidding. Kauffman doesn't know what transmogrify means or which goes first, the natural horse or the theist cart.
And yet here you are, a non-physicist, watching a video on the topic of physics.
Law, mathematics, and the scientific method are abstract FUNCTIONS ... from the mind of an intelligence.
Only an intelligence (like Man) ...makes, maintains, improves ... abstract & physical Functions.
Everybody knows for a fact ... that nature & natural process over any period of time ... will never make & operate a complex or simple machine. A physical machine is a physical Function.
And the three types of physical machines are mechanical, electrical & molecular ( LIFE ).
You don't trust non-scientists? lol.
All thermodynamic Systems ... originate from the SURROUNDING System(s) which must provide the matter, energy, space, time & Laws of Nature.
All physicists know the Universe is an ISOLATED Thermodynamic System with increasing entropy. The Universe is a NATURAL thermodynamic System ... that originated from the surrounding UNNATURAL system(s). Where are the two system models of the Universe from your trusted physicists?
Why do physicists completely ignore the Universe originating from an Unnatural System which must provide the matter, energy, space, time & Laws of nature for the Universe to exist?
The two systems model ... and actual facts of science ... support an UNNATURAL origin of the Universe by a very very powerful intelligence ( like God).
Only an intelligence ... makes Laws ( of Nature and things( of the Universe) with clear purpose, form, design & FUNCTION.
Nature & natural processes ... can NEVER make & operate ... an abstract or physical FUNCTION.
The Universe is a Function composed entirely of Functions ... from the mind of an intelligence.
A 13.7 billion old Universe, abiolgenesis & the evolution of Life from a commons ancestor ... is complete nonsense ... and fake science.
Why would you expect that physicists can explain everything about things that aren’t about matter, energy and fields (even if everything that exists is physical and is enabled by them) ?
where space time is fundamental if coinciding two places of information to be in time
Maybe statistical enablement by the future?
I am in. He said I don't know
time is infinitely large and infinitely (tesimally) small?
*Awareness Existence(சத்)*
Reality and truth are relative and éphémères
..until they are known and understood..
"Commendation from NASA for research work at Massachusetts Institute of Technology on the Earth's atmosphere and the Moon's surface for navigation of the Apollo spacecraft to the Moon..
Dr. Milo Wolff has found the structure of the electron consisting of two spherical quantum waves, one moving radially outward and another moving radially inward. The center of the waves is the nominal location of the electron 'particle'. These waves extend infinitely, like charge force. All 'particle' waves mix and contribute to each other, thus all matter of the universe is interrelated by this intimate connection between the fundamental 'particles' and the universe. The natural laws are a direct consequence of this Wave Structure of Matter (WSM), thus WSM underlies all of science."
spaceandmotion
Long a follower of Prof. Kauffman. I see him as a chief proponent of Alfred North Whitehead's Process Thought. Process Theology would affirm that god is ceaseless creativity. Thank you for this interview. Thank you as well for the many hours of enrichment i have garnered from your Closer to Truth series
Whitead process are ilusion because he lost his
Faith in phisch. Meanwhile whitead stuning speculation concern Nature Mr Kaufman are baseless rethoric.
Law itself is fundamental.
No Laws of Nature or Laws of Man ... and there will be chaos & disorder.
Everything makes complete sense .. when you fully understand ... the origin, purpose & need to enforce .... LAW.
Biology is equally general as physics. In fact ecology is one-to-one correspondence between life and the physical world. Chemistry, astronomy and geology are specialised. Psychology is equally realistic as all the other natural sciences.
Indeed bit Kaufman concept are misticism from he dishored concept about Nature. Kaufman are more ignorant concern phisc that he left behind Einstein and Newton ? Big liar.
Sounds good to me, do please expatiate upon that same
Most have been following & believing in fake science for the last 150 years.
Law ... provides structure, form, direction, boundaries, and ideal, predictable & repeatable behavior or properties.
No Law and there will only be chaos, disorder & nothing makes any sense.
Only an intelligence ( like Man) makes Laws ( of Nature) and things (of the Universe) with clear purpose, form, design & FUNCTION.
Law, mathematics & the scientific method ... are abstract FUNCTIONS ... from the mind of an intelligence (Man).
Machines & the Body of Man .. are physical Functions composed entirely of Functions.
Elemental particles, atoms, elements, compounds, molecules forces, ... and ... chemical & nuclear reactions are FUNCTIONS.
Only an intelligence (like Man) makes, maintains, refines ... Abstract & Physical Function. This is the fundamental law or rule of this Universe. No mind of an intelligence ... and there is no Universe.
Lots of parts and lots of processes. Lots of words. Lots of gods.
I'm convinced even though I didn't understand much of what he said. This is one Mr. Khun, when a supplemental, explanatory video - delivered by yourself would be very much appreciated. I hope you will do so. Oh, and in the 30 minute format. please.
The values needed to restore trust in human relationship, due the fact that men rieducational system have failed to use adeguate the ghost, to filter such renewal, when free will was given at everyone.
By Giorgio
I see some comments regarding a God . Not all religious folk believe in God over science, for example I like the values that my church teaches and as a consequence of attending church I get to mix with people who share the same values , however I do not believe that we are all judged at the end of our lives by an all powerful being , I believe that we are simply animals who have evolved our own self-importance.
Religion has always helped bond peoples together in the past by common values or by asserting some sort of control over our ancestors (God will strike you down etc).
So with this in mind you can see how I can practice a religion without believing in the End Game of eternal life , I live by my ethics which are reinforced by my chosen faith , whatever happens when I die doesn’t really matter , what matters is that whilst alive I lived the best life that I could and for me part of that life is my belief in the sciences .
Take Care . R .
It’s magic!
There is already a theory of many things doing many things. Chaos theory.
The orienting principle desired by Kauffman is in fact own existence.
What in blue blazes is "the cosmos?
What in the cosmos is "blue blazes"?
@@josefkay5013 If you know any, ask a grownup
@@vhawk1951kl I thought I did. Guess not.
Hum, sounds like when the Pilgrims arrived and assumed the climate would be like England, and it was not, they figured prayer would work to change it. I don't think that worked out well.
We can explain whole worlds in our subjective reality that we share with all living species deterministically. We can explain everything about MATTER. We can explain whole physical intertwined worlds from the most basic level (physics) to the most complex level (biology) in a deterministic way. ROUGHLY; we can say that, because of excess production of glucose, plants produce the fruits, and the fruits made occasionally become neighbor multicellulars, say some animals live, then we can put forth a theory that works with IMBALANCE PRINCIPLE OF UNIVERSE! We can find the reasons for all kinds of metabolic pathways also. According to my theory, there are two realities, one of that subjective reality that we shared with all living species, say, we may share our subjective reality with at the most basic level interacting things. In spite of we know the whole physical worlds, our main problem continues: to explain subjective reality, in other terms, sensing and perceiving experiences, to explain sense itself, to explain perceiving itself.
We literally don’t know up from down. The expanding earth approaches the released object: gravity;Galilean relative motion,d=1/2at^2. Start at start. Real simple. Metaphysical ramblings meaningless speculation.
"...keep finding order.." constant conjunctions: useful, consistent, delusions. Delusion in the sense of enumerated or probabilistic, intention: pretending or conjuring.
Useful in the sense of predation.
Entropy disproves is physical cause for physical things since matter and energy cannot make or direct themselves.
Even in absence of entropy, matter and energy lack agency. Entropy isn’t critical to the need for agency in the universe. And yet, the universe creates intelligence and life. So, the universe displays agency.
@@hershchat *produces agency without intent.
@@hershchat Show me the universe creating life.
@@dustinellerbe4125 If you can get matter to order any coherent statement or instructions you will win 🥇 $10 million dollars! 💸💸💸💸💸💸💸💸💸💸bye! bye!
@@JungleJargon you, the Jungle Jargon whose is writing here is matter. Matter with life. You making your bed or cooking food is matter ordering matter. What matter cannot do is generate consciousness or be conscious. Soon we will have self generating, self repairing robots. AI will contradict a lot of false assumptions about what inanimate “things” can do.
I don't have faith in many other people ways
The mystery is God. And there is something there and beyond and it is God. Everything is reliant upon this, the very laws Flux from, our life's sustenance emanates from, the very God given intellect we have.. We don't how time to bother with modern atheists or religious, only those of Wisdom, who seek and are Spiritual.
The people who are so small whom cannot fathom the idea even, of God puts themselves above all others and rely apon their ignorance than actually reckoning the Mystery so seeking -- a very sad state.
And those modern religious who try selling that their book is the true word of God, they are the least godlike as they have no understanding
Processes, enabling, ceaseless creativity, laws, systems, originator of life, order, face of mystery = *the duck* or in other words, "God Almighty," the Alpha and Omega. Yet Stuart Alan Kauffman can't see or won't acknowledge the duck or at least not in public.
If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.
He reminds me of Will Ferrell
The fundamental Law of Nature is Tao.
Sorry but my definition of "God" includes that there be a consciousness there.
Metaphysics 101
Love
Transforming frowns into smiles is smarter than turning lead into gold. And transforming heaven (peace) into hell (war) is more ignorant (dead) than turning gold into lead
Life is Eternal,
the most basic in the organism-structure of the Life-Unit's,
is the Masculine Pol, and the Feminine Pol.
(the Pol-Principle)
Motion is the most precious sign of life,
if there were No Motion, there would be No Life, Experience, Development.
The Motion-Principle, (Law of Motion, - Not Newton, Keppler, Etc.)
is a absolut basic in the Eternal life-Performance.
It holds other creator-principles,
Perspective-Principle, - Contrast-Principle, Circuit-Principle.
but also the Life-Desire, is the Motor of Life, - Hunger- and Satisfaction-principles is the Compass, - Law of Attraction and Repulsion, - the Parent-Principle.
So, this is a little idea, of the most basic realities, from the daily Life, in a Eternal Perspective.
Our Body- and Consciousness-Structure, is mirrored in the 'Rainbow',
Eternity-Body, + Instinct, Gravity, Feeling, Intelligence, Intuition, Memory, (Under-Bodies)
also some daily realities.
No One created the Eternal Life, Life is the Creator.
Life have a Life-Side, and a Stuff-Side,
physical/psychic, pain, Feeling > physical/intellectual hunger, > physical Stuff/Mind-stuff, > .
Love is the fundamental basis of all existence
Get the f... out of here.
Curious how you come to this conclusion?
@@hershchat mushrooms
Love is just an emotional relationship that social animals like us have. It doesn't relate to anything outside biology, which is a very minor phenomenon compared to the rest of the cosmos. Love may be very important to you personally, but the universe doesn't revolve around you.
@@TheShinedownfan21 incorrect. Love is the most fundamental aspect of all of existence. It has nothing to do with me or my interpersonal relationships. Those who are more enlightened than you understand what im saying. You have many lifetimes of knowledge yet to gain. Good luck
Yeah. 2% growth at cost of fucking up enviroment
All sounds a bit woo woo to me.
I just went and looked up 'woo woo'.
Basically it is a position that is not aligned with the consensus belief.
Today science is mathematics and mathematics is not science.
Nikola Tesla deplored modern science, the early 19th century, because of the 'woo woo' that it is.
Conventional is consensus, and to fit in you must voluntarily accept being indoctrinated with the consensus belief system.
And I see that 'woo woo' is an atheists term, or atomist or nihilist, anybody who is a materialis and beliefs in that baloney uses the term 'woo woo' when somebody actually acknowledges or reckons the fathomable idea, quite plausible to, regarding the Cause or God.
You 'woo woo' users are materialists, and quantum physics now proves materialisms belief incorrect, implausible, wrong. And went people try to acknowledge what's beyond, you materialists call woo woo?
Is this right?
@@S3RAVA3LM If you say so
Someone please Bring Acharya Prashant onboard😄
He believes needs GOD because human are searching mystery. Mr. Kaufman it raise two questions Kaufman GOD mysterious are misticism thedefore fallacies. Secound Kaufman declines Spinoza for exemple bit not show um how figure out his GOD atribuites though math model. Thedefore Kaufman concern GOD definitions are only baseles dishonest rethoric.
Very interesting. All of this thinking is still scientific though, even if not looking directly to physics for the explanation, so I don’t think there is any reason to involve “God” beyond personal sentiment as always.
"everything" is made up of mathematics.
Snake oil
Sacredness, sanctification is the fundamental law of nature.
the selfish meme..years ago by Dawkins..get over yourself Stoo