Welcome, everyone. Here's my first video on this puzzle, if you want to know more about exactly what it is►ua-cam.com/video/4lSPZWmmoS8/v-deo.html Noita on Steam►store.steampowered.com/app/881100/Noita/ Further reading about the eyes►docs.google.com/document/d/1s6gxrc1iLJ78iFfqC2d4qpB9_r_c5U5KwoHVYFFrjy0/ and►docs.google.com/document/d/1HRgOw1Lkhqds-hS51HEMnYJPnTWXiXYn2EdyBA0CDVY/ and►docs.google.com/document/d/1QeagH8TklJsd8iribMtT5LIRL91laOUU_tFcVl7OOqA/ Noita Discord►discord.com/invite/noita
The discord link doesn't work anymore. But thanks for covering all of this, I'm really curious what will come out of this! Edit: never mind, it was my browser
For the crypto nerds in the server, some googling reveals that pam5 uses forward error correction (FEC) in the form of (4-dimensional modulation with 8-state) trellis coding. I do not fully understand that sentence. You would need to remove the FEC prior to actually decoding. If they already know that, then cool. Have fun hunting rabbits.
I have 3 questions. First, have you discarded the possibility of a 3d wave? Second, is the sum of that Pam5 graf is equal to 0? Like, does that grafic, with the lack of simmetry caused by the imperfections, still become 0 with every wave perfectly canceling each other? Third, if there are more than one row of eye, could it possibly be a "life game", or something like, a "mechanical computer" conceptually? Like, if you give a signal for the first eye, where does it go? Does the first eye give it to the eye in its left? Does a eye pointing for the player mean its a "road block", or a "continue" path? Sorry. I was just thinking a bit. Have a great day!
I was involved in a hunt quite like this for another game, and I swear to god it always happens this way. People puzzle it out for ages then someone just casually walks in and goes "Oh! it must be this thing." and it is.
This is relatively common in any given problem, not even puzzles. People focused on a problem always tend to "blind" themselves to many approaches based on various biases, knowledge, or preconceptions. Its very likely other people that has participated in the discussion before knew of the eyes thing, but never made the connection due to, precisely, their involvement in noita and the community, and the biases that would come with present theories and so on.
They might eliminate aging as a form of death in the our lifetime. It just takes grown adult gene editing and the rodent research on telomere lengthb as the primary cause of age related cell death to pan out. (We'd also need a cure for cancer for complicated telomere related reasons, but they already used gene editing to cure lukemia in China by pulling out their own white blood cells and reprogramming them to attack the cancer. Cool stuff.) You wouldn't be immortal, but the average person would live 10x longer, statistically, just given the things young people die from already. Maybe longer with cancer and deadly genetic defects off the table. That math is too big for me. That'd be enough to visit Mars if you buckled your seatbelt, saw a therapist in the case of enuii, deleted social media while making connections with those in your community, and didn't engage in risky behaviors for personal amusement. Then you could die in the Memorial Musk Martian Mineral Mines instead. Way cooler 👍🏼
I ... and I remember when people were skeptical that the eyes were even real and I had to go through much trouble just to prove they existed. We went from that, to discussing if its just a bug in the game... Years later and we finally found a solid clue. I am happy for everyone involved. I am kind of regretting I couldn’t become anyone important in the project...
you are someone important by being involved, there are so few people who are aware of these secrets and the depth of this game, so even helping makes you important :)
@@GaraxyAurora Are you kidding me? You just said it yourself: *_you passed the torch!_* You ARE a part of this; if you didn't pass the torch, we probably wouldn't have a torch right now. If you hadn't, the knowledge that is now illuminated to us could very well have remained in the dark! Don't sell yourself short :)
Having this solved so close to christmas would def count as a gift for me, I am content. What will be funny after this is that, since it's something so out of the box, people are just gonna start talking to their friends about the cauldron next just on the chance that something like this happens.
@@matirion I really respect people who could get into Chemistry because as much as I love playing around with fun reactions and stuff, when a subject I had started getting into Atomic Orbitals, my brain just shuts off hahaha. Anyways, good luck and hope you find something that we don't! At this point I'm willing to consider anything, even if it has the slightest of connections
@@matirion that's rough... glad to hear that you kept on going to learn new things! I also started off more leaning into Physics but made a switch to Computer Science. And also, I really agree about how cool it is for two different fields of science to overlap like that and react the same way
@@godlyvex5543 Doubtful? Well, that is a statement stupid beyond any explanation. No matter if you take OP's comment literally, metaphorically, seriously or as a joke, it holds true and is fun because of it. Don't know if they're a god of jokes or if that is just very unlikely accident, but that is phenomenally good joke. And precisely because it works no matter how you interpret it.
@@anteshell If you take it literally, it's wrong because it's absurd to assume that humans have only done what they have done because of only years of human evolution? But evolution takes place over such a long space of time that evolution's effects simply have not made any difference in such a short amount of time.
@@godlyvex5543 lol he didn't specify 10 years or 100 years, he just said "years" which could mean 100 trillion years yet your point is "it's absurd to assume that humans have only done what they have done because of only years of human evolution" and "evolution's effects simply have not made any difference in such a short amount of time." get off your high horse
@@cipherpunk7409 and we're so thankful that you decided to ask your friend about it! The circumstances all just line up perfectly, now let's hope we can knock this off the small list of unsolved Noita mysteries.
I don't have a firm grasp on PAM 5, but as soon as you said in relation the eyes it definitely clicked somewhere in my head. This could be exactly what were looking for.
The brickwork in the holy mountains reminds me of images on the golden record we sent to space. We taught our number system in lines, dots and dashes - and how to read the record with wave functions. It seems to match the brickwork on the top left above the dummy statue, and above the worm crystal.
That makes a lot of sense actually. As a hobbyist programmer, it's common for programming/cryptography puzzles to use encoding schemes like that, and pam5 is, as you mentioned, a fairly ubiquitous encoding scheme.
Funny how the answer lied outter the gaming and coding aspects of every normal puzzle games before it, who could've knew it tied to being an Electrician and the way that "pam5" works. Noita's devs are truly one of their kinds.
@@nicohatesyoutubehandlers Noita is themed strongly around alchemy, which is linked to Gnosticism and Hermeticism. If you study the history of real-world alchemy a little, you'll see that all these ridiculous esoteric puzzles that require so much to figure out are mirroring the idea of how one gains enlightenment in those philosophies. It's beautiful. It's this that makes me believe Noita is the single game that gives the most accurate representation of what alchemy was. Not ancient chemistry, but a strange, cryptic philosophy similar to Freemasonry, with chemistry as the allegory for self-improvement instead of stonecutting, through which enlightenment was said to be achieved _by being_ strange and cryptic.
Fun fact, in a lot of technic colleges or high schools and the sort and what not, electronics, digital circuits and communications and programming go hand in hand extremely often. You can spring up a conversation about any of these topics to most developers with a proper education. Which also leads to programmers including technical details very often in their games. So this probably isn't a coincidence. I can see dev's sitting there going like "hey what if we just like, used that thing we learned back in school about pam5 in our game as a puzzle to solve lol"
I knew that eye pattern was familiar from somewhere, but could never dredge the memory from the depths of my brain, i love how its a puzzle with a key that exists outside the game, im hoping this is really the key to solving it!
That would be hilarious... And would explain why they refuse to even do a simple bugfix even now, because the secrets aren't unlocked yet. Would that then be something of a "Super New Game" +x
i messaged Ninji about this a while ago because i got into noita a little late, only glanced at the eye glyphs and went "i wonder if-" and then got busy trying to graduate. ninji was like "that game creeps me out but i couldnt resist a mystery" now that im free tho im gonna put my newly found cs degree/comp eng background to help decode it.
If i ever make a cool, popular, indie game i'll put encrypted gibberish in the form of some esoteric glyph language and watch people on the internet descend into madness trying to figure out a fake puzzle
This is insane, I never thought the eye glpyhs would've been solved, or even come close. There's no guarantee this is the solution of course, but to quote the sunseed, "It glows, full of promise"
This has been my fav puzzle in the game, it is just so cool and seeing a 2nd video on it after so long is great. Omg that is insane, it lines up so well too, one of the Noita devs using an obscure thing they know about coding. Perfect.
It's not even that expensive of a game, all things considered. Though it has a ridiculously steep learning curve, it's still REALLY fun to play too. Just don't let "getting Noit'd" (seemingly really random deaths) disappoint you too much, and start another game. :)
Absolutely nuts. These are things I don't think I'd ever have the patience to learn (electrical engineering and such) but when someone relays this kind of high level info about something like this it blows my fucking mind. Just phenomenal
Input from an untrained eye (pun not intended, but no better wording would work) based on what you said Ethernet eye patterns look like: It looks like the pattern at 3:40 has a lot of curves to it, which makes me think of say, an audio file or something. So keep that in mind when you start figuring out what these specific patterns might look like when you start mapping them out. Something I remember from a Game Theory episode... Sometimes, when you look at the waveform of sound clips (especially if they sound glitchy or scratchy) you'll find actual IMAGES in them. There was even a QR code in one of the games he covered that was hidden in the waveform of a particularly strange sound. And now that you know there could be some correlation with pam5 and the Noita-eyes, maybe instead of (or maybe in addition to) using the -2 thru +2 scale people have been suggesting, assign a specific color (or greyscale swatch) to each option. See if any sense can be made out of the resulting image made out of that. Or think in terms of vector graphics where there's a middle point to an ellipse, or other shape, and there's relative coordinates based off of that original point placed. Don't know... as I said, untrained... Just throwing some things at the wall, and seeing if anything sticks. Have fun. I'll be around for when you guys have the next "AHA!" moment. :D
The games most surface level secrets : "Hey yeah, don't just dabble. To know the secret art you need to know ALL of it" Most gamers as cave-spelunking Noita with rebound-shot uzi wands (me) : "Okay cool I wanna find some more tablets :D" Meanwhile, technology-affiliated metasorcerors congregating outside of the world in studious union: "We are close to deciphering the language of the gods, has there been any developments locating other titans of the deep materia?" I just love how the meta-ARG aspect of this actually plays into a kind of canon design, with players just in for the fun fill their role, while you arcane SOB's unlock the secrets of the game universe and crush NG+++ runs on the regular, haha.
Seems kinda straightforward what the next steps are. Decode that, into a readable format and throw it into, like, Wireshark? That is, if the decode is not pure ascii
I'm wondering if it would be worth searching the LinkedIn page of all the noita devs and see if any of them would have the relevant background for this.
only heard about this game through jerma, never played it myself, love puzzles and this was kinda interesting so now I'm invested in seeing this get solved, a video in the future covering the full story of this puzzle would be appreciated
Crazy isn't it? It's a fun (but rather difficult) game to play too. If you don't mind games where dying is more than half the fun, this one is for you. lol
I'd originally given up on the eye pattern thing after I'd developed a visualisation app with the old techniques. You've given me motivation to get back to it! Works out well as I'm on break from my uni!
Oh this is good! Am I mistaken there are eyes only in the normal area, then 2 left and two right beyond the walls of EDR? That would account for the positioning of the message.
Imagine if nolla games is waiting for the community to solve all of the secrets currently in the game (like this one) as a way of saying "great, now there's nothing left anymore, time to make some more!" Solving the eyes could also result in another noita update, who knows :D
I dont know what it is about noita and its puzzles but I find myself not only with and overwhelming sense of dread from it but also a crazy fascination lol
This is absolutely fascinating. I’m sure this is a strong lead, too many things line up. Though that being said, there is a chance that we are seeing connections out of desperation, realistically speaking, I mean. But I choose to have faith. Now for the cauldron room…
I'm a Electronic Engineer, and I've been casually following this for a while, and I am amazed at how neat of a solution this feels like looking back. Eye patterns especially. The only thing you would need to do to verify this is iterate through the possible relationships of eye position to value, and reading order, until you get something that looks like sensible text out. Think this would still give 120 possible eye->value combinations, times by 8 reading order combinations, plus maybe its not encoded in ASCII, or the reading order could be some combination of every set of symbols rather than each independently, Id reckon theres about 4000 possible decoding methods, alot, but could be easily done in excel. Haven't looked into what statistical analysis may have been done, but this method of encoding may prevent frequency analysis and similar techniques, even though its an encoding not an encryption. Always the possibility that the correct encoding doesn't produce meaningful text, possibility of more layers.
Bro, just 4k? You can easily just do all of them and then see which one(s) are readable 4k split by 100 people on the discord is easy or, I mean, even just one person can easily just scroll through 4k possible lines or use a basic program to detect words like ''and", ''or'', ''with''/etc (aka ctrl+f on excel)
@Miau Frito Agreed, haven't had the time to dive into the discord and what's been tried with this theory. Also good probability it's not in English and will require translation. Frequency analysis on the decoded values might narrow search closer, as that's the only step that would prevent statistical analysis to my knowledge.
I think the pam5 idea is interesting but at odds with what we already know about the code. At the very least, pam5 works in groups of four, while Noita eye symbols are grouped by three. Also the main features of pam5, error correction and resistance to waveform distortions are completely useless in case of the eyes and if they were left out then all that's left from pam5 is probably just part of the idea about it.
Then perhaps the trick is to find out which specific parts of each 3 and 4 grouped pair is the correct parts, and which one is the outlier. I don't know, just spewing a couple different coding techniques in movies combined with the bit you shared. Like, if ever you get a full email from someone you know, and they're making a lot of typos you wouldn't expect from them... Find out what the words or letter SHOULD be where the typos are, and it could be part of a code. Conversely what the typos ARE could be the code in that email. So if you're looking for a base 3 sets, but you're only seeing base 4... what should it be. Again, don't know, just doing a quick bit of brain-storming that happens to land on your comment.
If there’s variations that must be part of the sequence and since the visual representation of those frequencies Mentioned are an open eye Perhaps the key to this is something that can only be found visually After putting in all the right numbers and creating the proper image.
So, what you can do is write out the eye patterns as states A,B,C,D and E, in strings where each letter represents one of the 5 states. Make an object "cipher" which can store an array that encodes your guess for the order of ABCDE, and that object would have a function "int cipher::Key(char)" that takes a char from a string and returns an int. Since the values likely correspond to an ascii table, you can then just go wchar(uint16(cipher.Key(EyeStr(i))-cipher.Key(EyeStr(i+1))+offset)). The Offset would be optional and you could convert your eye string with a guess. Once you have it set up, you can then iterate through the 120 possible permutations of guesses and see if any of those look like comprehensible text.
Kind of crazy if you think about it, Noita is a game all about trying to find out the secrets of the universe of Noita, with the game always hinting at greater cosmic answers, with hundreds of people who’ve explored the world of Noita to its fullest unable to figure them out, but the key person capable of figuring out the ultimate secret of Noita, is a person who makes circuit boards, the very thing that allows Noita’s world to exist and function. Kind of like a Men in black end of movie plot twist, where it zooms out of the galaxy to show it in a marble. You just needed to think grander. I hope this is the answer, I really love how well this ties into the games premise.
I asked chatgpt about the eye messages and this is what I got: Here are some additional details about the Eye of Truth in Noita: The Eye of Truth is a special ability that can be unlocked in the game. It allows you to see hidden objects and decrypt Eye Messages. To unlock the Eye of Truth, you need to find and activate special Shrines in the game world. These Shrines are located in hidden areas and can be difficult to find. Once you have found a Shrine, you need to complete a challenge to activate it. The challenge for each Shrine is different, and may involve solving puzzles, defeating enemies, or collecting items. Once you have activated a Shrine, you will unlock the Eye of Truth ability. You can use the Eye of Truth by pressing the "Z" key on your keyboard. When you use the Eye of Truth, it will reveal hidden objects in the game world, such as hidden doors, chests, or secret passages. It will also allow you to decrypt Eye Messages, which are encrypted messages that can be found throughout the game world. To decrypt an Eye Message, you simply need to use the Eye of Truth on the message, and it will decrypt the message for you. The Eye of Truth can be a very useful ability in Noita, as it allows you to find hidden secrets and solve puzzles that may not be possible to solve without it. I dont know if this is true, but it is information from an AI, so it would be rather cool if this is true!!
@@billyjohnsotocid8958 could be! I just heard about ChatGPT from a friend and I thought lets try it out, but somehow chatgpt was trained with this information but then again you really have to watch out for the results as it could also be that noita was interpreted as the witcher or another game where the word witch is in the name
It sounds like the AI pulled some of its info from another game wiki. "Eye of Truth" is a symbol commonly found in various installments of Legend of Zelda, sometimes on stones that provide messages when spoken to. Also, and item called the lens of truth in Ocarina of Time and Majora's mask works almost exactly as described here, and the shrine activation mechanic described matches up with Breath of the Wild.
A part of me always figured it'd wind up being this sort of thing. Some like, fairly niche math thing from some field that just no one with knowledge of said niche has just happened to never try to apply their knowledge to this puzzle.
This is a great discovery! The most brute force way now seems to be as follows: Assign an arbitrary value of -2..+2 to each eye Write the delta sequence (the patterns may vary, but the most obvious ones would be a straight line and a wave shape, corresponding to the signal eye/sine wave) and run some basic nist encryption tests to see if there is a message. The basic assumption is that the differentiating values would go in groups of 3, as it does cover the ascii table, which would be en+finnish probably. Though a length of 2 or 4 is also possible If no results appear, try a different eye value assignment
I mean, just getting to a parallel world and discovering one eye set all by myself was a huge feat. Only after stumbling across the set, that I now know is labelled W2, I learned of this mystery. I've stopped playing Noita for now (Noita burn-out after 800+ hours) but I still want to learn what the eyes are about.
I literally took a class on this, complete with eye diagrams and whatnot, about a year ago. Never made the connection. To be fair, I wasn't really playing much Noita while taking the class. Edit: I wish I could add more insight to this but my entire backpack, including my notes for that class and a bunch of others, were stolen over the summer. Still, that's a pretty neat development!
because of the eyes appearing whilst you trip on Bungus, i always thought it would relate to that personally. perhaps east/west worlds and coordinate position can be extrapolated and we could re-test but in specific world/coordinate/frequency? example: First/East 2/Hell, Second/west 1/Fungal, Third/Main world/Sky(Poly Hell) etc. 3:39 suggests that coordinates would be in specific biomes and perhaps very specific places? can you get the X and Y of each world? or does it calculate from main world? thank you fury, I'm sure you and everyone who has devoted there time to this mystery will surely solve it.
Now I wish I had DSP classes at the university. The way those eyes point, it really screams some kind of modulation. Not PAM5 perhaps, but maybe PAM3? The PAM5 constellation is bigger.
Since I am unable to post this in the discord, I HOPE YOU SEE IT AT LEAST. Here is my theory, the way the eyes look is what number it is. Eye looking right would be +1, eye looking straight would be 0, eye looking left is -1, eye looking up is 2, and eye looking down is -2
Holy... I didn't even play/follow Noita for over a year, yet I find this video and I'm excited like a little kid for Christmas. I hope it will be cracked soon
Just spent an hour or so remembering my DSP classes in uni. It just doesn't make sense, the eye represent 5 symbols, and you need a power of 2 number of symbols to map this to any type of constellation diagram (which would correlate the eyes for some type of encoding). Seems like a wrong end. Also, PAM5 is 4 symbols with the 5th symbol being just an error correction signal. No reason really to encode error here (you do this bc when you transmit data in real world noise is added and you need error correction techniques, but here there's no reason for noise).
You might %e surprised %t the re%ults, even %f you just %orrect the wildcards in the message. The %rror symbols, could theoretically be part of the code. For e%ample, if you type a few letters of a word, but one of the letters of the word is g%rbled, %aybe the letter that's sup%osed to be there is a%so part of th% code. I.E. The "basic example" I supplied here. ;)
I like the idea that a lot of these puzzles are based on real world sciences/alchemy and as the puzzles get more advanced so does the type of science being used as its basis
![[Debunked] Could these mysterious emails help SOLVE the Noita eye glyph puzzle?](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/hXEzoSyQlU4/mqdefault.jpg)
Welcome, everyone. Here's my first video on this puzzle, if you want to know more about exactly what it is►ua-cam.com/video/4lSPZWmmoS8/v-deo.html
Noita on Steam►store.steampowered.com/app/881100/Noita/
Further reading about the eyes►docs.google.com/document/d/1s6gxrc1iLJ78iFfqC2d4qpB9_r_c5U5KwoHVYFFrjy0/
and►docs.google.com/document/d/1HRgOw1Lkhqds-hS51HEMnYJPnTWXiXYn2EdyBA0CDVY/
and►docs.google.com/document/d/1QeagH8TklJsd8iribMtT5LIRL91laOUU_tFcVl7OOqA/
Noita Discord►discord.com/invite/noita
The discord link doesn't work anymore.
But thanks for covering all of this, I'm really curious what will come out of this!
Edit: never mind, it was my browser
So since east and west worlds have different symbols compare them to the original world you start in and You might somewhere pam5
For the crypto nerds in the server, some googling reveals that pam5 uses forward error correction (FEC) in the form of (4-dimensional modulation with 8-state) trellis coding. I do not fully understand that sentence. You would need to remove the FEC prior to actually decoding. If they already know that, then cool. Have fun hunting rabbits.
Great video! Thanks for the update. FYI it's "ee-ther-net" not "eh-ther-net", the first "e" is like in "see". 2:38
I have 3 questions.
First, have you discarded the possibility of a 3d wave?
Second, is the sum of that Pam5 graf is equal to 0?
Like, does that grafic, with the lack of simmetry caused by the imperfections, still become 0 with every wave perfectly canceling each other?
Third, if there are more than one row of eye, could it possibly be a "life game", or something like, a "mechanical computer" conceptually?
Like, if you give a signal for the first eye, where does it go? Does the first eye give it to the eye in its left? Does a eye pointing for the player mean its a "road block", or a "continue" path?
Sorry. I was just thinking a bit.
Have a great day!
I was involved in a hunt quite like this for another game, and I swear to god it always happens this way. People puzzle it out for ages then someone just casually walks in and goes "Oh! it must be this thing." and it is.
That happens surprisingly often in engineering/software developement. Never underestimate a fresh pair of eyes! (no pun intended)
It's why trying to get as many folks in on solving a puzzle is always a good idea. Increase your chances of finding that one person who can do that.
100% accurate
@@3dDoener pun Very intended or you know too good to pass up
This is relatively common in any given problem, not even puzzles. People focused on a problem always tend to "blind" themselves to many approaches based on various biases, knowledge, or preconceptions. Its very likely other people that has participated in the discussion before knew of the eyes thing, but never made the connection due to, precisely, their involvement in noita and the community, and the biases that would come with present theories and so on.
That moment when getting an achievement requires masters' of electrical engineering degree.
As they should need
Well electricity is seriously deadly in noita, so being able to engineer it around freely "obviously" makes you a more studied and powerful Noita! /j
@@reinei1 makes sense /not j
you learn this stuff in school (at least in germany)
Pretty much noita in a nutshell
Born too late to explore the Earth
Born too soon to explore outer space
Born just in time to possibly watch the "eye" puzzle in Noita being solved
They might eliminate aging as a form of death in the our lifetime. It just takes grown adult gene editing and the rodent research on telomere lengthb as the primary cause of age related cell death to pan out.
(We'd also need a cure for cancer for complicated telomere related reasons, but they already used gene editing to cure lukemia in China by pulling out their own white blood cells and reprogramming them to attack the cancer. Cool stuff.)
You wouldn't be immortal, but the average person would live 10x longer, statistically, just given the things young people die from already. Maybe longer with cancer and deadly genetic defects off the table. That math is too big for me.
That'd be enough to visit Mars if you buckled your seatbelt, saw a therapist in the case of enuii, deleted social media while making connections with those in your community, and didn't engage in risky behaviors for personal amusement. Then you could die in the Memorial Musk Martian Mineral Mines instead. Way cooler 👍🏼
emphasis on possibly
Why not be the one who helped solving it?
@@klauzwayne4215 2 hard
I ... and I remember when people were skeptical that the eyes were even real and I had to go through much trouble just to prove they existed. We went from that, to discussing if its just a bug in the game...
Years later and we finally found a solid clue. I am happy for everyone involved. I am kind of regretting I couldn’t become anyone important in the project...
Nevertheless I am happy to have been one of the first to pass the torch.
it isn't too late dude, there's always more possibilities, and no solution has been found yet
you are someone important by being involved, there are so few people who are aware of these secrets and the depth of this game, so even helping makes you important :)
Hey, gotta appreciate giving it any attention and passing attention to it.
@@GaraxyAurora Are you kidding me? You just said it yourself: *_you passed the torch!_*
You ARE a part of this; if you didn't pass the torch, we probably wouldn't have a torch right now. If you hadn't, the knowledge that is now illuminated to us could very well have remained in the dark!
Don't sell yourself short :)
Having this solved so close to christmas would def count as a gift for me, I am content.
What will be funny after this is that, since it's something so out of the box, people are just gonna start talking to their friends about the cauldron next just on the chance that something like this happens.
Gonna need to find some Chemistry, maybe even Biology students now
@@_chadrose exactly what I was thinking. Call in the modern alchemists and the witches too
@@matirion I really respect people who could get into Chemistry because as much as I love playing around with fun reactions and stuff, when a subject I had started getting into Atomic Orbitals, my brain just shuts off hahaha. Anyways, good luck and hope you find something that we don't! At this point I'm willing to consider anything, even if it has the slightest of connections
@@matirion that's rough... glad to hear that you kept on going to learn new things! I also started off more leaning into Physics but made a switch to Computer Science. And also, I really agree about how cool it is for two different fields of science to overlap like that and react the same way
Years of human evolution have been necessary to reach this exact moment, this is a day of celebration.
doubtful
@@godlyvex5543 Doubtful? Well, that is a statement stupid beyond any explanation. No matter if you take OP's comment literally, metaphorically, seriously or as a joke, it holds true and is fun because of it. Don't know if they're a god of jokes or if that is just very unlikely accident, but that is phenomenally good joke. And precisely because it works no matter how you interpret it.
@@anteshell If you take it literally, it's wrong because it's absurd to assume that humans have only done what they have done because of only years of human evolution? But evolution takes place over such a long space of time that evolution's effects simply have not made any difference in such a short amount of time.
@@godlyvex5543 lol he didn't specify 10 years or 100 years, he just said "years" which could mean 100 trillion years yet your point is "it's absurd to assume that humans have only done what they have done because of only years of human evolution" and "evolution's effects simply have not made any difference in such a short amount of time." get off your high horse
i still whould like to see a new game +....
Holy crap, there's no way we're this close. I know a bit about pam5 and its impressive that ciphers friend immediately made the connection
He really knows his stuff and he's humble as heck. I'm lucky to have him for a friend.
@@cipherpunk7409 and we're so thankful that you decided to ask your friend about it! The circumstances all just line up perfectly, now let's hope we can knock this off the small list of unsolved Noita mysteries.
@@cipherpunk7409 Tell him he's now internet famous for a very fringe group of geeks.
I'm a telecom engineer and I feel so bloody dumb not making the connection between the eye patterns and, well, the eye patterns I've worked with XD
I don't have a firm grasp on PAM 5, but as soon as you said in relation the eyes it definitely clicked somewhere in my head. This could be exactly what were looking for.
The brickwork in the holy mountains reminds me of images on the golden record we sent to space. We taught our number system in lines, dots and dashes - and how to read the record with wave functions.
It seems to match the brickwork on the top left above the dummy statue, and above the worm crystal.
What a spectacular discovery, this is the first time in years I have had any hope of the eye puzzles being solved, thanks for covering this Fury!
Literally _shouted_ on "eye patterns"
That makes a lot of sense actually. As a hobbyist programmer, it's common for programming/cryptography puzzles to use encoding schemes like that, and pam5 is, as you mentioned, a fairly ubiquitous encoding scheme.
Funny how the answer lied outter the gaming and coding aspects of every normal puzzle games before it, who could've knew it tied to being an Electrician and the way that "pam5" works.
Noita's devs are truly one of their kinds.
I'm starting to believe that noita is some kind of social experiment
Electronic engineer, not electrician.
@@nicohatesyoutubehandlers Noita is themed strongly around alchemy, which is linked to Gnosticism and Hermeticism. If you study the history of real-world alchemy a little, you'll see that all these ridiculous esoteric puzzles that require so much to figure out are mirroring the idea of how one gains enlightenment in those philosophies. It's beautiful.
It's this that makes me believe Noita is the single game that gives the most accurate representation of what alchemy was. Not ancient chemistry, but a strange, cryptic philosophy similar to Freemasonry, with chemistry as the allegory for self-improvement instead of stonecutting, through which enlightenment was said to be achieved _by being_ strange and cryptic.
Fun fact, in a lot of technic colleges or high schools and the sort and what not, electronics, digital circuits and communications and programming go hand in hand extremely often. You can spring up a conversation about any of these topics to most developers with a proper education. Which also leads to programmers including technical details very often in their games. So this probably isn't a coincidence. I can see dev's sitting there going like "hey what if we just like, used that thing we learned back in school about pam5 in our game as a puzzle to solve lol"
Encoding like this is programming.
noita at first: haha hardcore sand physics rougelike
noita now: approaching SM64 TAS levels of complexity
I knew that eye pattern was familiar from somewhere, but could never dredge the memory from the depths of my brain, i love how its a puzzle with a key that exists outside the game, im hoping this is really the key to solving it!
The answer to this puzzle unlocks the next noita update xD
That would be hilarious... And would explain why they refuse to even do a simple bugfix even now, because the secrets aren't unlocked yet.
Would that then be something of a "Super New Game" +x
Eye messaging, eye glyphs, five inputs; it’s so on the nose!! They must have thought we would solve this one quickly, with how obvious it is.
SAY WHAT?! never clicked a video so fast
Lol same
Same lol I was like "Oh cool... WAIT"
Sameeeee
I'm not even *in* the community looking for this secret and I got CHILLS when I heard you say that the Electrical Engineer was smiling and why.
i messaged Ninji about this a while ago because i got into noita a little late, only glanced at the eye glyphs and went "i wonder if-" and then got busy trying to graduate. ninji was like "that game creeps me out but i couldnt resist a mystery" now that im free tho im gonna put my newly found cs degree/comp eng background to help decode it.
If i ever make a cool, popular, indie game i'll put encrypted gibberish in the form of some esoteric glyph language and watch people on the internet descend into madness trying to figure out a fake puzzle
This is insane, I never thought the eye glpyhs would've been solved, or even come close.
There's no guarantee this is the solution of course, but to quote the sunseed, "It glows, full of promise"
It seems sensible that every 3 eyes would encode a character (with PAM5 that would be 6 bits) since all the message lengths are evenly divisible by 3
I just noticed that it gets even better: what's the shape of the capital delta?
...it's a triangle
I woke up today and remembered Noita and the eyes. I look forward to next year when i wake up to find out it says to "Be sure to drink your Ovaltine."
Oh my God! Okay, it happening. Everybody stay calm.
This is so cool! I've been avidly following this for about a year now, and this development is so mindblowing! Thank you for covering this Fury!
i don't even play Noita anymore but I'm so invested in this
Ill see what i can do. Cousin works on electrical circuits for apple. I dont know what he knows.
It'd be hilarious if the result of finding out the eye puzzle is just a rick roll. It's been great to watch things develop though!
there was once a bait result that was actually a rickroll iirc
This is straight up a moment from a movie.
This has been my fav puzzle in the game, it is just so cool and seeing a 2nd video on it after so long is great.
Omg that is insane, it lines up so well too, one of the Noita devs using an obscure thing they know about coding. Perfect.
At this point instead of trying to decode something we should try to encode in pam5 the url of the rickroll and see if it matches the eyes
I don't know why UA-cam recommended me this video, but it's fascinating and I feel like I should check out noita someday!
It's not even that expensive of a game, all things considered. Though it has a ridiculously steep learning curve, it's still REALLY fun to play too. Just don't let "getting Noit'd" (seemingly really random deaths) disappoint you too much, and start another game. :)
holy shit. it's hilariously obvious in retrospect
Absolutely nuts. These are things I don't think I'd ever have the patience to learn (electrical engineering and such) but when someone relays this kind of high level info about something like this it blows my fucking mind. Just phenomenal
What an insane development after 2+ years, what a god gamer
I’ve never even heard of this game but this is pretty cool
Literally reading between the lines…
that’s certainly something.
I had never heard of this game before seeing this video, so thanks for showing me my new favorite game!
IT'S A CHRISTMAS MIRACLE
Input from an untrained eye (pun not intended, but no better wording would work) based on what you said Ethernet eye patterns look like:
It looks like the pattern at 3:40 has a lot of curves to it, which makes me think of say, an audio file or something. So keep that in mind when you start figuring out what these specific patterns might look like when you start mapping them out.
Something I remember from a Game Theory episode... Sometimes, when you look at the waveform of sound clips (especially if they sound glitchy or scratchy) you'll find actual IMAGES in them. There was even a QR code in one of the games he covered that was hidden in the waveform of a particularly strange sound.
And now that you know there could be some correlation with pam5 and the Noita-eyes, maybe instead of (or maybe in addition to) using the -2 thru +2 scale people have been suggesting, assign a specific color (or greyscale swatch) to each option. See if any sense can be made out of the resulting image made out of that.
Or think in terms of vector graphics where there's a middle point to an ellipse, or other shape, and there's relative coordinates based off of that original point placed.
Don't know... as I said, untrained... Just throwing some things at the wall, and seeing if anything sticks. Have fun. I'll be around for when you guys have the next "AHA!" moment. :D
The games most surface level secrets : "Hey yeah, don't just dabble. To know the secret art you need to know ALL of it"
Most gamers as cave-spelunking Noita with rebound-shot uzi wands (me) : "Okay cool I wanna find some more tablets :D"
Meanwhile, technology-affiliated metasorcerors congregating outside of the world in studious union: "We are close to deciphering the language of the gods, has there been any developments locating other titans of the deep materia?"
I just love how the meta-ARG aspect of this actually plays into a kind of canon design, with players just in for the fun fill their role, while you arcane SOB's unlock the secrets of the game universe and crush NG+++ runs on the regular, haha.
"and so we discovered that every recording of the eyes was actually Just showing the ip address of the user."
Seems kinda straightforward what the next steps are. Decode that, into a readable format and throw it into, like, Wireshark? That is, if the decode is not pure ascii
I think that devs just saying:
Man, you are playing Noita around 8 hours! Make eye workout!
I'm wondering if it would be worth searching the LinkedIn page of all the noita devs and see if any of them would have the relevant background for this.
only heard about this game through jerma, never played it myself, love puzzles and this was kinda interesting so now I'm invested in seeing this get solved, a video in the future covering the full story of this puzzle would be appreciated
...and this is just one of the many reasons why Noita is the most genuinely impressive videogame that might ever exist.
the reward for completing the eye puzzle is the next noita update 100%
A mystery I've never heard about in a game I've never played and now I'm fully invested lol
hey google, how do i undrop my jaw
Oh... my...God. this seems like a very important leed.
The fact that Noita still has an unsolved puzzle puzzles me and astonishes me.
never played or even heard of this game other than when i heard of the eye glyphs from a youtuber and yet im so invested
Why does the video title say Debunked now? How was this debunked?
JESUS CHRIST IF I DIE BEFORE THIS GAME IS SOLVED I WILL FREAKING DIE AGAIN, TO SPITE MYSELF
God damn. You guys are amazing. Best community. Fury, I cant wait for final video with answer. That will be something!
I’ve never even heard of this game but this showed up in my recommended and now I’m invested.
Crazy isn't it? It's a fun (but rather difficult) game to play too. If you don't mind games where dying is more than half the fun, this one is for you. lol
I'd originally given up on the eye pattern thing after I'd developed a visualisation app with the old techniques.
You've given me motivation to get back to it!
Works out well as I'm on break from my uni!
It's funny how quickly puzzles would be solved if more eyes were on them.
Oh this is good! Am I mistaken there are eyes only in the normal area, then 2 left and two right beyond the walls of EDR? That would account for the positioning of the message.
I remember my brothers and my contribution to this, we found eyes in NG+ and we were apparently the first ones to do so.
Imagine if nolla games is waiting for the community to solve all of the secrets currently in the game (like this one) as a way of saying "great, now there's nothing left anymore, time to make some more!"
Solving the eyes could also result in another noita update, who knows :D
We can only dream. :)
I dont know what it is about noita and its puzzles but I find myself not only with and overwhelming sense of dread from it but also a crazy fascination lol
This is absolutely fascinating. I’m sure this is a strong lead, too many things line up. Though that being said, there is a chance that we are seeing connections out of desperation, realistically speaking, I mean. But I choose to have faith.
Now for the cauldron room…
I'm a Electronic Engineer, and I've been casually following this for a while, and I am amazed at how neat of a solution this feels like looking back. Eye patterns especially. The only thing you would need to do to verify this is iterate through the possible relationships of eye position to value, and reading order, until you get something that looks like sensible text out. Think this would still give 120 possible eye->value combinations, times by 8 reading order combinations, plus maybe its not encoded in ASCII, or the reading order could be some combination of every set of symbols rather than each independently, Id reckon theres about 4000 possible decoding methods, alot, but could be easily done in excel. Haven't looked into what statistical analysis may have been done, but this method of encoding may prevent frequency analysis and similar techniques, even though its an encoding not an encryption. Always the possibility that the correct encoding doesn't produce meaningful text, possibility of more layers.
Bro, just 4k?
You can easily just do all of them and then see which one(s) are readable
4k split by 100 people on the discord is easy
or, I mean, even just one person can easily just scroll through 4k possible lines or use a basic program to detect words like ''and", ''or'', ''with''/etc (aka ctrl+f on excel)
@Miau Frito Agreed, haven't had the time to dive into the discord and what's been tried with this theory.
Also good probability it's not in English and will require translation.
Frequency analysis on the decoded values might narrow search closer, as that's the only step that would prevent statistical analysis to my knowledge.
I occasionally check in on the discord to see if anything has updated, it’s hype that we are finally getting somewhere
Imagine that this ends up with another rickroll by the devs. If that happens, we raid the game awards to have Noita winning it.
I think the pam5 idea is interesting but at odds with what we already know about the code. At the very least, pam5 works in groups of four, while Noita eye symbols are grouped by three. Also the main features of pam5, error correction and resistance to waveform distortions are completely useless in case of the eyes and if they were left out then all that's left from pam5 is probably just part of the idea about it.
Then perhaps the trick is to find out which specific parts of each 3 and 4 grouped pair is the correct parts, and which one is the outlier. I don't know, just spewing a couple different coding techniques in movies combined with the bit you shared.
Like, if ever you get a full email from someone you know, and they're making a lot of typos you wouldn't expect from them... Find out what the words or letter SHOULD be where the typos are, and it could be part of a code. Conversely what the typos ARE could be the code in that email. So if you're looking for a base 3 sets, but you're only seeing base 4... what should it be. Again, don't know, just doing a quick bit of brain-storming that happens to land on your comment.
Im thinking, play Rick Astley at the missing 5th eye message
"I know very little about DSP"
Well i think not knowing DarksidePhil is a blessing xD
Most exciting gaming news I've heard all year!
If there’s variations that must be part of the sequence and since the visual representation of those frequencies Mentioned are an open eye Perhaps the key to this is something that can only be found visually After putting in all the right numbers and creating the proper image.
So, what you can do is write out the eye patterns as states A,B,C,D and E, in strings where each letter represents one of the 5 states. Make an object "cipher" which can store an array that encodes your guess for the order of ABCDE, and that object would have a function "int cipher::Key(char)" that takes a char from a string and returns an int. Since the values likely correspond to an ascii table, you can then just go wchar(uint16(cipher.Key(EyeStr(i))-cipher.Key(EyeStr(i+1))+offset)). The Offset would be optional and you could convert your eye string with a guess.
Once you have it set up, you can then iterate through the 120 possible permutations of guesses and see if any of those look like comprehensible text.
Message 0 (East 1)
2010132233040411302321143130330040240005
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3102210440002001040401441420330220342415
2313131300311321201422313314413414412115
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0403314323411221010100401204124424424025
133312203301031131112112103223145
13104242241303041102031232043135
Message 1 (West 1)
3110132233040411302321143130330040240045
0320412200014222421222201100032013411015
0202010440001040440401441420330220341315
1112131300011020201422313314413414414015
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4034314012221113402103014133412213301325
024142214222030242001232124023232014035
31013221121302032222004223103132241135
Message 2 (East 2)
1210132233040411302321143130330040240045
1320412200014222421222201100032013411325
3020132300442101430012141403110241042235
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0011322100422310432420131030102003002215
0201422403120313302310001033104412014225
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1314020220201413223115
Message 3 (West 2)
3010143042311111301032001142111420421445
1320410024412002221410132400222201204025
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Message 4 (East 3)
2210143040001003022202312222321441442115
3320410022224313410032420000102200424315
3132233121201340041413023100012310431305
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Message 5 (West 3)
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4320410023421203014412122224014202111305
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4314132002101412021124312302031114300215
1031332142002300111430341430331101221205
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2103122200014401220032321421413321312205
1202240222342030331202440402005
0021211001411022421034024114425
Message 6 (East 4)
1010143040001000000102132331201421330035
2320410022224312124304303001102034211305
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3034110223132024033020302224411420101415
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2122221431303020131021131022300031032325
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122024230101311232213035
34212102201003230340345
Message 7 (West 4)
3010143040001000000102132331201400400025
2320410022224312124304303001102221131425
2113102140010321222411243001001312233135
0302212301323014304134203000323324211405
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Message 8 (East 5)
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Kind of crazy if you think about it, Noita is a game all about trying to find out the secrets of the universe of Noita, with the game always hinting at greater cosmic answers, with hundreds of people who’ve explored the world of Noita to its fullest unable to figure them out, but the key person capable of figuring out the ultimate secret of Noita, is a person who makes circuit boards, the very thing that allows Noita’s world to exist and function.
Kind of like a Men in black end of movie plot twist, where it zooms out of the galaxy to show it in a marble.
You just needed to think grander.
I hope this is the answer, I really love how well this ties into the games premise.
I asked chatgpt about the eye messages and this is what I got:
Here are some additional details about the Eye of Truth in Noita:
The Eye of Truth is a special ability that can be unlocked in the game. It allows you to see hidden objects and decrypt Eye Messages.
To unlock the Eye of Truth, you need to find and activate special Shrines in the game world. These Shrines are located in hidden areas and can be difficult to find. Once you have found a Shrine, you need to complete a challenge to activate it. The challenge for each Shrine is different, and may involve solving puzzles, defeating enemies, or collecting items.
Once you have activated a Shrine, you will unlock the Eye of Truth ability. You can use the Eye of Truth by pressing the "Z" key on your keyboard. When you use the Eye of Truth, it will reveal hidden objects in the game world, such as hidden doors, chests, or secret passages. It will also allow you to decrypt Eye Messages, which are encrypted messages that can be found throughout the game world. To decrypt an Eye Message, you simply need to use the Eye of Truth on the message, and it will decrypt the message for you.
The Eye of Truth can be a very useful ability in Noita, as it allows you to find hidden secrets and solve puzzles that may not be possible to solve without it.
I dont know if this is true, but it is information from an AI, so it would be rather cool if this is true!!
Maybe it's confused about other game? I never heard of things related to thoses things said. The most related thing is the Evil Eye
@@billyjohnsotocid8958 could be! I just heard about ChatGPT from a friend and I thought lets try it out, but somehow chatgpt was trained with this information but then again you really have to watch out for the results as it could also be that noita was interpreted as the witcher or another game where the word witch is in the name
My guy, that was one of the first things that was tried on the eye puzzle.
@@RoseColoredIris my guy/girl, cool 😎
It sounds like the AI pulled some of its info from another game wiki. "Eye of Truth" is a symbol commonly found in various installments of Legend of Zelda, sometimes on stones that provide messages when spoken to. Also, and item called the lens of truth in Ocarina of Time and Majora's mask works almost exactly as described here, and the shrine activation mechanic described matches up with Breath of the Wild.
If we are measuring differences between characters that explains why there are no doubles!
A part of me always figured it'd wind up being this sort of thing. Some like, fairly niche math thing from some field that just no one with knowledge of said niche has just happened to never try to apply their knowledge to this puzzle.
Goes on lunch break at work*
Watches noita video, its about work.
XD
This is a great discovery!
The most brute force way now seems to be as follows:
Assign an arbitrary value of -2..+2 to each eye
Write the delta sequence (the patterns may vary, but the most obvious ones would be a straight line and a wave shape, corresponding to the signal eye/sine wave) and run some basic nist encryption tests to see if there is a message.
The basic assumption is that the differentiating values would go in groups of 3, as it does cover the ascii table, which would be en+finnish probably. Though a length of 2 or 4 is also possible
If no results appear, try a different eye value assignment
One can make a program to do this exact thing within maybe 2 hours.
Someone such a simple, common way to do things just doesn’t get noticed.
A differentiator value string like this is clever.
I mean, just getting to a parallel world and discovering one eye set all by myself was a huge feat.
Only after stumbling across the set, that I now know is labelled W2, I learned of this mystery.
I've stopped playing Noita for now (Noita burn-out after 800+ hours) but I still want to learn what the eyes are about.
I literally took a class on this, complete with eye diagrams and whatnot, about a year ago. Never made the connection. To be fair, I wasn't really playing much Noita while taking the class.
Edit: I wish I could add more insight to this but my entire backpack, including my notes for that class and a bunch of others, were stolen over the summer. Still, that's a pretty neat development!
at 3:40 : wait isn’t there an area in the desert chasms that looks EXACTLY like this ???????? edit : i just checked AND IT IS ALL JUST THIS YESSS
LET'S GOOOO. I can't wait for the eye glyphs to be a clue about the cauldron and us spend another few years wracking our brains about the clue.
because of the eyes appearing whilst you trip on Bungus, i always thought it would relate to that personally.
perhaps east/west worlds and coordinate position can be extrapolated and we could re-test but in specific world/coordinate/frequency?
example: First/East 2/Hell, Second/west 1/Fungal, Third/Main world/Sky(Poly Hell) etc.
3:39 suggests that coordinates would be in specific biomes and perhaps very specific places? can you get the X and Y of each world? or does it calculate from main world?
thank you fury, I'm sure you and everyone who has devoted there time to this mystery will surely solve it.
Exiting stuff, kudos to all those who have put massive amounts of effort & time into this over the years
Can't wait until we get into the entering stuff.
Now I wish I had DSP classes at the university. The way those eyes point, it really screams some kind of modulation. Not PAM5 perhaps, but maybe PAM3? The PAM5 constellation is bigger.
3:38 reminds me of the fast Fourier transform video I saw a little while ago
This makes so much sense!!! I cannot wait to see developments from here!
Since I am unable to post this in the discord, I HOPE YOU SEE IT AT LEAST.
Here is my theory, the way the eyes look is what number it is. Eye looking right would be +1, eye looking straight would be 0, eye looking left is -1, eye looking up is 2, and eye looking down is -2
there are 5 values 2, 1, 0, -1, -2 so therefore no skips
Each eye has an up and down state too, so that doesn’t really account for those. Sorry. Cool idea though.
@@heheheiamasupahstarslam5397 So up would be 2, down would be -2, straight would be 0... yeah that makes sense. Ill edit it.
"Be sure to drink your ovaltine"???
Ahh it’s kind of like how mathematics can be derived with different bases.
Holy... I didn't even play/follow Noita for over a year, yet I find this video and I'm excited like a little kid for Christmas. I hope it will be cracked soon
This puzzle just needed the right set of eyes on it.
I will not apologize.
But will you apologeyes?
Just spent an hour or so remembering my DSP classes in uni. It just doesn't make sense, the eye represent 5 symbols, and you need a power of 2 number of symbols to map this to any type of constellation diagram (which would correlate the eyes for some type of encoding). Seems like a wrong end. Also, PAM5 is 4 symbols with the 5th symbol being just an error correction signal. No reason really to encode error here (you do this bc when you transmit data in real world noise is added and you need error correction techniques, but here there's no reason for noise).
You might %e surprised %t the re%ults, even %f you just %orrect the wildcards in the message. The %rror symbols, could theoretically be part of the code. For e%ample, if you type a few letters of a word, but one of the letters of the word is g%rbled, %aybe the letter that's sup%osed to be there is a%so part of th% code.
I.E. The "basic example" I supplied here. ;)
I like the idea that a lot of these puzzles are based on real world sciences/alchemy and as the puzzles get more advanced so does the type of science being used as its basis