This film is also the final time we get to see Batfleck, as production for Joss Whedon's Justice League drove him to drink heavily, as he said in interviews that "he didn't have a fun experience, it was very depressing", and that his alcoholism, his stints in rehab, and his divorce from Jennifer Garner took it's toll.
@@omarionbroom9999We were but it was cancelled. He would have been the star, writer, and director of the movie. Instead WB went with The Batman we got last year.
The director claimed the CGI was that bad as a stylistic choice. One of the VFX artists said something along the lines of “If it looks like it was done in a week, it was.” Other VFX artists confirmed they were asked to do scenes from scratch a couple weeks before release. Another example and possibly the worst example of underpaid and overworked VFX artists who must’ve been working 20 hours a day for a couple weeks straight to get something release ready.
Agreed, I saw someone mention how when you let VFX artist take their time and do their thing they get results such as Avatar and Avatar 2 but for 90% of Hollywood movies they only get a few months if their lucky and have to be expected to deliver otherwise they don’t get paid
This movie bts is a completely mess. Actually, is surprising that they actually made a fun movie with a cool message and nice action scenes - if the CGI wasn’t that bad, would be a good movie.
The movie itself was good just a shame the CGI at times was not the best and of course Millers real life antics didn't help. You're correct with the CHI artists he said the same about MCU projects with shady CGI like She Hulk for example looked lackluster as well though that whole series sucked for other reasons but yeah he was saying WB and Disney rush the CGI people so you get rushed results.
In the original cut, Michael Keaton was supposed to show up again in the end but after Barry went back to his apartment, Ben Affleck was trying to reach out to Barry through a transmission and asking him "What did you do?!"
Everyone watched this movie for Batman and all the other cameos. As cool as those were, I honestly found the storyline between Barry and his mother to be the far more interesting part of the film
if you're looking for that part of the film check out the tv series. it's much better though, it'll take a while to get there. I like the tv barry allen more than film allen. but a lot of it has to do with the controversy with the actor.
I actually really enjoyed this one. Sure some of the CGI isn’t the best, but the only time it really took me out of the movie was with the CGI babies in the beginning. I thought this was pretty good and despite Ezra Miller’s schemes, he still played a pretty damn good Barry Allen. Some of the ending cameos I didn’t think were needed, but it was cool to see some classic characters again.
I disagree with Miller playing a good Barry Allen. He's playing a character that's truly nothing like comic version of Barry Allen. Barry was a calm, rational, adult scientist that had worked for years with the police in the forensics lab. He wasn't neurotic and uncertain and just plain childish. I have no doubt Miller was doing what the directors wanted, starting with Snyder, but to say he's a "damn good Barry Allen" is to show a lack of knowledge about who Barry Allen (as a character) is supposed to be.
Yeah the whole baby scene was kinda awkward and the ending cameos were kinda bad too, the rest wasn’t too bad but I also found Clooney showing up as Batman was dumb and pointless, and the post credit scene didn’t do anything, overall it was ok
Fun fact: the reason ezra runs like he’s ice skating is because if he were running normally he’d destroy everything in his path, in one on of the scenes where u see him save that women, before, he barely slid on the ground and it destroyed the ground, he has to run like that, also the lightning passing through him he’s gotta let it flow a certain way somehow 😂
Which only applies to the DCEU because in the other universes, the Flash and other speedsters run normally instead of the whole 'speed skating like Shadow the Hedgehog' thing. In an infinite multiverse, each universe works differently with its own set of laws.
Well honestly it also looks better when slowed down as well. If you looked at Flash TV it’s always either zoomed and cropped up too and just see him swinging his arms are zoomed really far out or just streaked of light
Personally I don't think the movie is as bad as people say it is but I can't lie that all the bad promo around it with Ezra Miller's criminal activities, the movie itself being in production hell for a while, the whole DCU reboot, the bad CGI and the potential the movie could have had overall definitely gives the movie a bad image
The general population are unaware of Ezras BS. People like us only know because of the UA-cam channels we follow. People just weren't interested because of the crap that came before it.
Hell I already didn’t like the movie on first watch ( partially cus fir me the cw show did it better and even looks better which is hard to believe) but now that I’ve started watching the dc animated content there was even MORE issues for me and missed opportunities for real emotional moments with the actors that could have pulled that off but nope, they went the nostalgia bait route instead and some of the cool twists were spoiled in the trailers
Think about it in terms of a videogame Barry was essentially savescumming in the final battle. Just far enough to go back where he needs to but not back far enough to actually change anything else
Apparently you can see Doomsday on one of the rings on the green planet from Nic Cages Superman. Also there were plans to have more cameos like Lynda Carter's Wonder Woman and Grant's Flash, but for some reason they cut it. When it comes to the inevitable intersection, the CW TV show Legends of Tomorrow explain it a lot better, I believe during it's final season. Season 7 episode 10.
from what i understand there were 3 different post credit scenes one with supergirl and keatons batman, superman and afflecks batman, and then the one with clooney. i think the one with clooney was shot after the ezra drama as a joke to have him in the batnips universe
It was the ending actually, and imo they should've mixed the second and third ending. You get Henry Cavill, Gal Gadot, Sasha Calle talking to Ezra's Barry outside of the courthouse, you build up who's the new Bruce Wayne as the timelines clearly merged and... boom, George Clooney as Bruce Wayne to close off the DCEU. I think that would've been better than either show something we won't get to see again (like Black Adam did) or just have a joke ending (Flash's third and final ending). Having both would mean we get to see familiar faces one last time while rebooting and keeping Ezra out of the new DCU lol.
Glad that they Picked This Too Shall Pass as the Song at the End. It Symbolizes the meaning of Letting Go of the Past and that a New Era of DC is coming.
I’m going to assume the reason they didn’t create a whole new strand of spaghetti when they stopped Bruce and Kara dying is because they only went back a few minutes, compared to Barry going back a decade to save his mom. So the further you go back, the more you change.
The TV series Continuum was premised on time travel. It was eventually revealed that time travel was something like time travel in Flash, where each time you go back you end up on a branched reality, not on your original time line, though history up to that point of your arrival was still the same. She had something of a crisis when she realized that it was impossible for her to get back to the reality she knew. It was a really good series, and I'd love to see someone react to it, but it's probably too obscure to ever make it on anyone's radar.
27:05 it does make sense, because they are going back in time and staying there, not moving forward after changing something. Like flash did in the beginning with his mom. The timeline doesnt change until you move forward after the fact
If you guys wanna see what a good Batman movie with Ben Affleck would’ve been like, react to The Accountant. It’s a great thriller. Also Affleck’s portrayal as a character with autism is pretty good.
Cool info: The costume department knew that the original Keaton Batman costume was very rigid and wasn't very flexible in the neck/head area, so before he showed up for fitting, they redesigned his suit with a more flexible rubber alternative. When he arrived, they told him of the improvement... but he insisted they go back to the original style as he had all the mannerisms all worked out according to the original suit's accommodations.
I hope they bring Sasha Calle back as Supergirl but if not this was a standout one-time appearance (-_^ ) Never seeing her and Henry Cavill's Superman interact is a true loss for yet another perfect casting of the Kryptonian cousins much like Christopher Reeve and Helen Slater though kinda digitally done dirty here.
Haha, I love that Jen wore an Avengers hoodie to watch DC’s The Flash 😂 Holden - what were you spoiled on?? I unwittingly learned of the Nic Cage cameo ☹️
When They Made This Movie When They Were Making The Bat Suit For Michael Keaton They Were Going Make It Where He Can Turn His Head And Actually Can Move But He Told Them Noo Keep It How It Was In The Tim Burton Films
You're right, terrible PR was what sunk this movie's financial performance BUT while Miller was the biggest part of it no doubt, the state of the DCEU overall, and this was right after the whole mess with Dwayne Johnson and Black Adam, the failure of Shazam 2 as well as the changing of hands with James Gunn, really REALLY hurt this movie. That it was also poised, after so many woes, as the movie meant to reboot the DCEU, I think put a lot of people off.
hey Holden, i don't know if you have heard of this but Andy Muschietti, the director of this is also directing The Brave and the Bold, the DCU's introduction to Batman. and Superman is being played by David Corenswet
glad u guys enjoyed it! i really enjoyed this movie more than i expected. i’m the last few years even movies i’ve looked forward too & really enjoyed like no way home i haven’t gon back to watch but this movie i’ve seen twice already & i’d watch it again. i honestly hope it gets a sequel despite the ezra mlller drama. i really liked this movie.
I think nwh has a bigger consequence at the end and makes the whole movie make sense, this movie it all happens and he makes a whole new universe and just kills the other Barry and leaves it all behind and ends up making his dad innocent, no impact on anything but making Clooney the Batman instead of Ben affleck
Yeah it's a alternate timeline when Barry went back to save his mom. When he returns from the past he returns into a completely new timeline. It's loosely based off the flashpoint paradox. It had it's good moments but for me seeing Keaton again was one of the best parts. I grew up with Keaton I love that he told the costume designer to keep the cowl the way it was in 89 and returns. That was something he created and it wouldn't be his Batman. Also why didn't they used the voice modulator for Affleck Batman like in the others. Anyone could tell who that Batman is.
This movie is so under appreciated I feel like most people just talked smack about it because of Ezra but as far as a super hero movie goes I really enjoyed this one
When the other barry died a friend I saw the movie with said "that's a way to kill yourself". Also he actually didn't go back to another universe when he time traveled it just changes the timeline more than it should
15:32 in the comics apparently when you do a Flashpoint you just being there causes everything to shift and in this universe I'm guessing the can of tomatoes had a big impact on everything.
I gota say, even tho Ezra did bad things IRL his acting playing two different characters was really good! Also great seeing all the timelines was amazing! If you get the chance watch Flashpoint the animated movie and you will see a lot of elements in this movie.
Lol Wtf? No, he's insufferable and lame the whole time, all throughout the movie, when I finally watched I was pissed I wasted my time watching it because it was way worse than the people who were hating on it said it was.
The best things about this movie was Michael Keaton's Batman and Supergirl. I really do hope we see Sasha Calle as Supergirl again because i think she did a great job! Other than that, I thought the movie was horrible. I knew it wasnt going to happen but I was really really hoping that since the DCEU was gonna be rebooted they would take this opportunity and make it so that Grant Gustin would end up becoming our new Flash because of the timeline being messed up. Wishful thing😅
The mother, father and child did a great job too some of the ideas I like and rough design choices if they wouldn´t look that bad. This as restart of the whole franchise is a critical choice im one who wants to have the mindset of differentiating actor and real life person like I love Pepper Pots (maybe Tonys Charme is rubbing off) not a fan of her as a person but it is an active choice they made
I think timeline wise, I think it works. If his mom dying is the junction point, then we he goes back 5 mins and not back to her, he is in the same timeline. It doesn’t drastically change again til he goes back to say goodbye to his mom. Then we get Clooney.
Honestly production complications aside, I had a good time w this movie. 2/3s of this movie to me is great, the 1st half of the 1st and 3rd act kinda drop the ball, but the entire midsection I loved. Kara and Keaton were amazing to see on the big screen, and I felt like Ezra did a great job of playing two versions of the same character, that also felt like separate people w the separate lives they lived. There was never a moment where I confused the two Barry’s. Zod and especially Faora were super under-utilised (I mean Faora didn’t even speak a word and she was one of the best parts of Man Of Steel) A pretty messy but fitting conclusion to the DCEU, w it centering around Man of Steel given it was also the first movie of this universe. A big mixed bag, not amazing but truly had some good moments.
It should be noted that during the last weeks of post-production for The Flash movie, James Gunn got involved and changed many things, especially the ending because he didn't want the Snyderverse to continue and disrupt his version of upcoming DCU movies.
I'm not sure if you're familiar with the flashpoint storyline but I highly recommend watching the DC animated film the flashpoint paradox. It's terrific. Also in The flash TV show, the villain in the fifth season I believe is named Savitar and that's actually a future version of Barry who kept on trying to change the past. His suit was somewhat similar to this Berry with a bunch of metallic spikes.
Re them going back to save Keaton’s Batman towards the end, and not being in another universe again, I think it was tried to explain that it’s only at critical points/events when something is changed it leads to a different universe, as opposed to slight changes to the timeline. Possibly also because it was just a recent moment so it hadn’t been cemented as a critical point yet so going back only a short time might avoid that issue until he goes back far enough and changes something
5:49 e-trade baby. 6:50 he has some kind of armor over his suit so he would be able to slide on the asphalt. I love the whole lasso of truth scene with Batman & the Flash. 9:55 If you’ve seen “Shawshank Redemption” you should recognize the poster on the wall he phases through. 7:57 Billy Crudup was supposed to but filming schedule caused them to have to recast him with Ron Livingston. 16:03 I like how they hide his face until the reveal. I think it makes it better. 17:05 this is the Bruce Wayne that Barry needed to start with. He said things Barry needed to hear. 17:24 it’s what Commissioner Gordon finds on Jokers body in 89. 18:18 fun fact about his suit is they tried to make his suit more flexible and he said it needed to be stiffer cause of how it was in 89 & 92. He had to turn his whole body so this suit had to be the same. 19:30 a Michael Keaton “Batman Beyond” movie. That’s what DC needs to do next. 25:43 as Keaton Batman said that was Barry created a timeline mess like the cooked pasta the timeline was no longer straight. 27:21 unless cause they didn’t go back so far in time they were still in the same universe. 28:48 I like how the red paint falls off his suit as he keeps going back in time showing him changing to evil (in a way). 30:51 I think they decided to do the Superman Returns with Brandon Routh instead. 33:32 Jason Momoa must have had a blast filming this end credit scene.
I was annoyed too by past Barry but I understood why he was like that. Makes sense because that Barry never experienced loss the way present Barry did.
At the end my roommate was like “Wait, he’s Latino and can’t really speak Spanish?” I had to remind her that he’s probably a no sabo kid because his mom died when he was a kid & his dad went to prison. Makes sense 😂
I wish they had done a end credits scene where Bruce is chatting with Barry and introduced his friend....Terry McGuiness( I know I misspelled it) in full BATMAN BEYOND gear.
Holden if you didn't know, Nicholas Cage is a big comic book fan in general. His real name is Nicholas Coppola, as he's the nephew of Director Francis Ford Coppala. He chose the stage name Cage, because he is/was a fan of the Marvel character Luke Cage, that you watched in the Defenders series. Also there is a documentary about the Nicholas Cage/Tim Burton Superman movie. It was made by artist Jon Scnepp, who you may have watched on the Collider UA-cam channel, before he passed away. It's a great documentary that you should be able to find easily, if you want to watch. That Superman movie was in pre production,about to film, when it was cancelled.
2:05 okay, so. The CliffNotes version is: Ezra Miller has been causing people actual headaches off-camera, up to and including barging into people’s hotel rooms and smashing up personal property. There was a statement supposedly put out by them (by which I mean Ezra; Ezra uses they/them pronouns) that was an apology but it felt more like a prepared statement from their agent or publicist or whoever.
31:30 comic books in general, actually. Not only did Nicolas Cage choose his professional name based on Luke Cage, also called Power Man, but he actually has a tattoo of Ghost Rider somewhere on his body.
The george clooney Batman was the first Batman movie i had ever seen in theaters when i was a little kid. That bit at the end with him was so funny lol
My guess is that either they are re-entering different realities of that moment, or when going back to the past, the other Flash knocked him into another one. He can go back through time without changing anything, but got knocked into an alternate one instead.
I enjoyed this movie more than i thought i would, I've always loved Michael Keatons Batman and seeing him return was great. Although his call back lines felt a little forced but i know others love them. I wish the old DC tribute cameos were more Flash related but i know there will be more movies and opportunities to do that, even if it wont be in the super near future with the universe reset
I would honestly love to see Holdan and Jen watch The Flash tv show on the channel it’s honestly one of my favorite flash shows as the suit gets more comic accurate as the show goes on.
I give it a 5.5 maybe a 6. You guys should watch Flashpoint Paradox although it’s animated, it is great as the comic event and changes. Pretty much what this movie was based on from that premise, and not only Flashpoint rebooted the DC comics to The New 52, but the DCAU…. Highly recommend it and hope others agree.
Well it makes sense in terms of DC as in flashpoint comics/animation movie when Barry saved his mom he changed the timeline completely events before his moms death were also changed and as thawne explained that a time boom causes ripples of distortion across the timeline whenever you change something hence the ripples change everything in past and future...
@@StarQueenEstrella I'm a former fundamentalist Christian, so my ears are trained to notice gosh vs. God, and she definitely says both. She has been saying the latter ever since she first started appearing on the channel years ago
You went into this with the right mindset - turn your brain off and enjoy the show. it's not great but if you just look at it for 2.5 hours of entertainment, it does it's job, like a Michael Bay movie. Like you also, I enjoyed everyone that wasn't the flash. I would love a Kara movie, the Nick Cage superman with the Peters Giant spider was fantastic, Michael Keaton Batman....... i don't know the number of times i saw Batman and Batman Returns as a kid. I loved that Michael Keaton was willing to come back and do this, it made the movie for me.
You can see Barry also changes the past when he’s in the younger Barry’s apartment. The PC has a “Looney Toons” wallpaper and not “Looney Tunes”, the real name.
You need to see "The Death of Superman Lives, What Happened?" by Jon Schnepp, who unfortuanetly passed away a few years ago, but this was his dream project and he made it happen. It features Tim Burton, Kevin Smith and producer Jon Peters among many other faces and interviews. It's awesome. You won't regret watching this.
Re Clooney returning for a cameo, I’m pretty sure they tried to get Bale back but he wasn’t interested. They previewed the movie early and it didn’t show him at all, just had Ezra’s ‘who the f**k is this?’ Like and then cut to credits. It seems this movie had a LOT of delays and reshoots, I think people in charge at WB & DC at the time wanted rid of all Snyder’s versions of the characters and intended to end the movie with Keaton permanently in place as the current Batman so then the now cancelled Batwoman movie that had already been filmed with Keaton in it and also with JK Simmons (reprising his role of Gordon from Justice League) could make sense. When David Zaslov took over WB when the Discovery takeover took place, I think he decided to try and right the ship while saving costs and clearing up the audience confusion from too many different versions, and then James Gunn was put in charge to reboot the DCU, so I think they decided to do a throwaway joke at the end with Clooney. To be honest, it’s a perfect analogy for how sh**ty they’ve treated the franchises and the fans IMO.
Love how Holden does like the Leonardo Decaprio meme where he points when Michael Keaton said the “you wanna get nuts, let’s get nuts” line.😂
Jen's face during the babies falling scene is peak mother-face lmao.
they have no expressions at all lol
This film is also the final time we get to see Batfleck, as production for Joss Whedon's Justice League drove him to drink heavily, as he said in interviews that "he didn't have a fun experience, it was very depressing", and that his alcoholism, his stints in rehab, and his divorce from Jennifer Garner took it's toll.
Ben Affleck said he finally got the perfect blend between Bruce and Batman in this film
Wow Really? I never knew that, and I was hoping that at some point they would finally give Ben Affleck his own solo batman movie
@@omarionbroom9999 Ben affleck is my favorite Batman and BVS is s masterpiece. I just wish they have him a better suit in this movie
@@omarionbroom9999We were but it was cancelled. He would have been the star, writer, and director of the movie. Instead WB went with The Batman we got last year.
@@tmac731bvs is not a masterpiece 🤣
The director claimed the CGI was that bad as a stylistic choice. One of the VFX artists said something along the lines of “If it looks like it was done in a week, it was.” Other VFX artists confirmed they were asked to do scenes from scratch a couple weeks before release. Another example and possibly the worst example of underpaid and overworked VFX artists who must’ve been working 20 hours a day for a couple weeks straight to get something release ready.
Agreed, I saw someone mention how when you let VFX artist take their time and do their thing they get results such as Avatar and Avatar 2 but for 90% of Hollywood movies they only get a few months if their lucky and have to be expected to deliver otherwise they don’t get paid
This movie bts is a completely mess. Actually, is surprising that they actually made a fun movie with a cool message and nice action scenes - if the CGI wasn’t that bad, would be a good movie.
The movie itself was good just a shame the CGI at times was not the best and of course Millers real life antics didn't help. You're correct with the CHI artists he said the same about MCU projects with shady CGI like She Hulk for example looked lackluster as well though that whole series sucked for other reasons but yeah he was saying WB and Disney rush the CGI people so you get rushed results.
That’s just an excuse. It’s shit.
In the original cut, Michael Keaton was supposed to show up again in the end but after Barry went back to his apartment, Ben Affleck was trying to reach out to Barry through a transmission and asking him "What did you do?!"
Man, that would be a way cooler ending. We then could have Ben and Keaton's Batmen together.
Michael Keaton also filmed all of his parts for the Batgirl movie which we'll never see unfortunately
Supergirl was Helen Slater. Helen later played Supergirl's stepmother in the CW TV series. Her stepfather was Dean Cain
Everyone watched this movie for Batman and all the other cameos. As cool as those were, I honestly found the storyline between Barry and his mother to be the far more interesting part of the film
if you're looking for that part of the film check out the tv series. it's much better though, it'll take a while to get there. I like the tv barry allen more than film allen. but a lot of it has to do with the controversy with the actor.
@@takumi2023that has nothing to do with the character
Unexpectedly fun and funny, this could off been A- territory with a few re-touches.
@@DerpngSo what is the truth? if you don’t mind me asking.
Show >>>>>>>> movie
I actually really enjoyed this one. Sure some of the CGI isn’t the best, but the only time it really took me out of the movie was with the CGI babies in the beginning. I thought this was pretty good and despite Ezra Miller’s schemes, he still played a pretty damn good Barry Allen. Some of the ending cameos I didn’t think were needed, but it was cool to see some classic characters again.
Exact answer
I disagree with Miller playing a good Barry Allen. He's playing a character that's truly nothing like comic version of Barry Allen. Barry was a calm, rational, adult scientist that had worked for years with the police in the forensics lab. He wasn't neurotic and uncertain and just plain childish.
I have no doubt Miller was doing what the directors wanted, starting with Snyder, but to say he's a "damn good Barry Allen" is to show a lack of knowledge about who Barry Allen (as a character) is supposed to be.
@@Bad_Wolf_Media so Gustin did a better job as Barry Allen
@@Bad_Wolf_Media ok and? Not everyone has the knowledge of the comics. So by your logic there hasn’t been a good Barry Allen at all. 🤔
Yeah the whole baby scene was kinda awkward and the ending cameos were kinda bad too, the rest wasn’t too bad but I also found Clooney showing up as Batman was dumb and pointless, and the post credit scene didn’t do anything, overall it was ok
Fun fact: the reason ezra runs like he’s ice skating is because if he were running normally he’d destroy everything in his path, in one on of the scenes where u see him save that women, before, he barely slid on the ground and it destroyed the ground, he has to run like that, also the lightning passing through him he’s gotta let it flow a certain way somehow 😂
Which only applies to the DCEU because in the other universes, the Flash and other speedsters run normally instead of the whole 'speed skating like Shadow the Hedgehog' thing. In an infinite multiverse, each universe works differently with its own set of laws.
Well honestly it also looks better when slowed down as well. If you looked at Flash TV it’s always either zoomed and cropped up too and just see him swinging his arms are zoomed really far out or just streaked of light
At least they made fun of it in the movie itself when he loses his powers lol
@@Primogen18 I think it's safe to say that the goofy run is better when he's running faster than light, rather than at normal human speed.
"They couldn't put a real baby in the microwave" might be my new favourite out of context quote.
Personally I don't think the movie is as bad as people say it is but I can't lie that all the bad promo around it with Ezra Miller's criminal activities, the movie itself being in production hell for a while, the whole DCU reboot, the bad CGI and the potential the movie could have had overall definitely gives the movie a bad image
I really don't understand the bad cgi thing
@@avishpanwar3155 well, we have most of the marvel movies after endgame
The general population are unaware of Ezras BS.
People like us only know because of the UA-cam channels we follow.
People just weren't interested because of the crap that came before it.
Hell I already didn’t like the movie on first watch ( partially cus fir me the cw show did it better and even looks better which is hard to believe) but now that I’ve started watching the dc animated content there was even MORE issues for me and missed opportunities for real emotional moments with the actors that could have pulled that off but nope, they went the nostalgia bait route instead and some of the cool twists were spoiled in the trailers
@@MrBraxI don’t either. It’s 2023 there’s no reason that anything should look this damn bad.
Think about it in terms of a videogame Barry was essentially savescumming in the final battle. Just far enough to go back where he needs to but not back far enough to actually change anything else
Apparently you can see Doomsday on one of the rings on the green planet from Nic Cages Superman. Also there were plans to have more cameos like Lynda Carter's Wonder Woman and Grant's Flash, but for some reason they cut it. When it comes to the inevitable intersection, the CW TV show Legends of Tomorrow explain it a lot better, I believe during it's final season. Season 7 episode 10.
I actually thought this movie was pretty alright definitely over hated although the animated flashpoint film is a masterpiece honestly
If "pretty alright" is your praise for this film, then it's a failure. You can't bring yourself to say It's great, it's not even good.
@@jkhoover lol ok keep on crying
i don't like they way they depicted flashpoint. also flash's run was always bothering me as his run looks very floppy and exaggerated.
AGREED.The animated Flashpoint is far better than the Flash movie. No contest.
I hope they eventually watch the animated one.
from what i understand there were 3 different post credit scenes one with supergirl and keatons batman, superman and afflecks batman, and then the one with clooney. i think the one with clooney was shot after the ezra drama as a joke to have him in the batnips universe
Kristian Harloff reported that there was another ending with Robert Pattinson's Batman too
It was the ending actually, and imo they should've mixed the second and third ending. You get Henry Cavill, Gal Gadot, Sasha Calle talking to Ezra's Barry outside of the courthouse, you build up who's the new Bruce Wayne as the timelines clearly merged and... boom, George Clooney as Bruce Wayne to close off the DCEU. I think that would've been better than either show something we won't get to see again (like Black Adam did) or just have a joke ending (Flash's third and final ending). Having both would mean we get to see familiar faces one last time while rebooting and keeping Ezra out of the new DCU lol.
@@jonathanmays8203glad that didn’t get thrown into this
The Clooney scene was the end of the main movie, not a credits scene
Glad that they Picked This Too Shall Pass as the Song at the End. It Symbolizes the meaning of Letting Go of the Past and that a New Era of DC is coming.
I’m going to assume the reason they didn’t create a whole new strand of spaghetti when they stopped Bruce and Kara dying is because they only went back a few minutes, compared to Barry going back a decade to save his mom.
So the further you go back, the more you change.
The TV series Continuum was premised on time travel. It was eventually revealed that time travel was something like time travel in Flash, where each time you go back you end up on a branched reality, not on your original time line, though history up to that point of your arrival was still the same. She had something of a crisis when she realized that it was impossible for her to get back to the reality she knew.
It was a really good series, and I'd love to see someone react to it, but it's probably too obscure to ever make it on anyone's radar.
Continuum great show, that seem to be predicting our future
I’m just disappointed Gunn changed the ending and post-credits scene.
27:05 it does make sense, because they are going back in time and staying there, not moving forward after changing something. Like flash did in the beginning with his mom. The timeline doesnt change until you move forward after the fact
If you guys wanna see what a good Batman movie with Ben Affleck would’ve been like, react to The Accountant. It’s a great thriller. Also Affleck’s portrayal as a character with autism is pretty good.
I think they were making an accountant 2?
@@MattBlahulee I think they’re still planning on doing it. But with the strikes right now, it’s uncertain when they’ll start shooting.
I am so glad you reminded me how much I liked that movie
Lmfaooo Holden doing the Leo DiCaprio when Keaton said i’m batman, what a legend 😂
That was Helen Slater who played the 1980s supergirl. She also played Supergirls adapted mother in the tv show
This film was announced around the same time that the Flash tv show started. It just finished its ninth and last season
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The costume department knew that the original Keaton Batman costume was very rigid and wasn't very flexible in the neck/head area, so before he showed up for fitting, they redesigned his suit with a more flexible rubber alternative.
When he arrived, they told him of the improvement... but he insisted they go back to the original style as he had all the mannerisms all worked out according to the original suit's accommodations.
I hope they bring Sasha Calle back as Supergirl but if not this was a standout one-time appearance (-_^ )
Never seeing her and Henry Cavill's Superman interact is a true loss for yet another perfect casting of the Kryptonian cousins much like Christopher Reeve and Helen Slater though kinda digitally done dirty here.
Glad that Holden and Jen Enjoyed the Movie! ONE OF THE BEST DC MOVIES!
Haha, I love that Jen wore an Avengers hoodie to watch DC’s The Flash 😂 Holden - what were you spoiled on?? I unwittingly learned of the Nic Cage cameo ☹️
When They Made This Movie When They Were Making The Bat Suit For Michael Keaton They Were Going Make It Where He Can Turn His Head And Actually Can Move But He Told Them Noo Keep It How It Was In The Tim Burton Films
JEN'S FACE IS PRICELESS!
You're right, terrible PR was what sunk this movie's financial performance BUT while Miller was the biggest part of it no doubt, the state of the DCEU overall, and this was right after the whole mess with Dwayne Johnson and Black Adam, the failure of Shazam 2 as well as the changing of hands with James Gunn, really REALLY hurt this movie. That it was also poised, after so many woes, as the movie meant to reboot the DCEU, I think put a lot of people off.
I Wish that they Kept the Original Ending with Keaton Batman, Supergirl, Wonder Woman and Superman appearing at the End!
hey Holden, i don't know if you have heard of this but Andy Muschietti, the director of this is also directing The Brave and the Bold, the DCU's introduction to Batman. and Superman is being played by David Corenswet
glad u guys enjoyed it! i really enjoyed this movie more than i expected. i’m the last few years even movies i’ve looked forward too & really enjoyed like no way home i haven’t gon back to watch but this movie i’ve seen twice already & i’d watch it again. i honestly hope it gets a sequel despite the ezra mlller drama. i really liked this movie.
I think nwh has a bigger consequence at the end and makes the whole movie make sense, this movie it all happens and he makes a whole new universe and just kills the other Barry and leaves it all behind and ends up making his dad innocent, no impact on anything but making Clooney the Batman instead of Ben affleck
After everything Miller has done, it's fitting that his version The Flash has been banished to the Foreververse.
I too enjoyed this movie more than I thought I would. Best comedy I've seen in years. :)
I saw people say they didnt like it but I really enjoyed it also lol
This movie was awesome. It got torn down by a bunch of people that never saw it.
Lol that baby scene is totally the perfect scene to watch after becoming parents! 🤣😂
(Jens reaction to that got a chuckle out of me;)
They have other kids
Yeah it's a alternate timeline when Barry went back to save his mom. When he returns from the past he returns into a completely new timeline. It's loosely based off the flashpoint paradox. It had it's good moments but for me seeing Keaton again was one of the best parts. I grew up with Keaton I love that he told the costume designer to keep the cowl the way it was in 89 and returns. That was something he created and it wouldn't be his Batman. Also why didn't they used the voice modulator for Affleck Batman like in the others. Anyone could tell who that Batman is.
congrats on the baby guys! i can’t remember the last time i saw a video from you guys but damn this just took me back like 3 years almost
Jen are you serious? You don't even look like you just had a baby. Way to bounce back girl!
This movie is so under appreciated I feel like most people just talked smack about it because of Ezra but as far as a super hero movie goes I really enjoyed this one
Fun fact: Nicolas Cage lives Superman so much, his firstborn son is named Kal-El.
That opening sequence with Batman is the Bats I think we need
27:15 it does make sense cause they haven't changed anything yet. In order for a new timeline to be created you have to change something in the old
When the other barry died a friend I saw the movie with said "that's a way to kill yourself". Also he actually didn't go back to another universe when he time traveled it just changes the timeline more than it should
15:32 in the comics apparently when you do a Flashpoint you just being there causes everything to shift and in this universe I'm guessing the can of tomatoes had a big impact on everything.
Helen Slater was the actress from the 80's Supergirl. She was in Legend of Billie Jean and City Slickers
She also played Supergirl's mum in the tv show, lol
I gota say, even tho Ezra did bad things IRL his acting playing two different characters was really good! Also great seeing all the timelines was amazing! If you get the chance watch Flashpoint the animated movie and you will see a lot of elements in this movie.
Honestly he's my favorite flash... Feels taboo to say that ik the actor is a piece of shit but on screen he's great
Lol Wtf? No, he's insufferable and lame the whole time, all throughout the movie, when I finally watched I was pissed I wasted my time watching it because it was way worse than the people who were hating on it said it was.
Alot of the controversy turned out to be BS anyway, I enjoyed ezras flash and they're a very well rounded actor
@@draconianemanations2785 keep coping lil bro
@@iiMargwas 🤣 pfft, movie bombed, it's Ezra and shills like you who need a dose of that copium
“This cinematic universe is going to be dismantled anyways” legit about to watch the movie that dismantles it
The best things about this movie was Michael Keaton's Batman and Supergirl. I really do hope we see Sasha Calle as Supergirl again because i think she did a great job! Other than that, I thought the movie was horrible.
I knew it wasnt going to happen but I was really really hoping that since the DCEU was gonna be rebooted they would take this opportunity and make it so that Grant Gustin would end up becoming our new Flash because of the timeline being messed up. Wishful thing😅
The mother, father and child did a great job too
some of the ideas I like and rough design choices if they wouldn´t look that bad.
This as restart of the whole franchise is a critical choice
im one who wants to have the mindset of differentiating actor and real life person
like I love Pepper Pots (maybe Tonys Charme is rubbing off) not a fan of her as a person
but it is an active choice they made
Lol. You think the movie was horrible and want Gustin as the dceu flash? Couldn't disagree more.
@@mrgotitfordalowexactly, CW is CW for a reason lol
@@mrgotitfordalow Then i guess we'll just disagree. I think Grant Gustin did a fantastic job!
@@JamesWiseMagic yea for CW
I think timeline wise, I think it works. If his mom dying is the junction point, then we he goes back 5 mins and not back to her, he is in the same timeline. It doesn’t drastically change again til he goes back to say goodbye to his mom. Then we get Clooney.
Honestly production complications aside, I had a good time w this movie. 2/3s of this movie to me is great, the 1st half of the 1st and 3rd act kinda drop the ball, but the entire midsection I loved.
Kara and Keaton were amazing to see on the big screen, and I felt like Ezra did a great job of playing two versions of the same character, that also felt like separate people w the separate lives they lived. There was never a moment where I confused the two Barry’s.
Zod and especially Faora were super under-utilised (I mean Faora didn’t even speak a word and she was one of the best parts of Man Of Steel)
A pretty messy but fitting conclusion to the DCEU, w it centering around Man of Steel given it was also the first movie of this universe.
A big mixed bag, not amazing but truly had some good moments.
In Clooney's defense, he wasn't a bad Batman. He was in a bad Batman movie
Loved the Avengers shirt while watching The Flash.
I wore a Superman shirt to a Marvel movie last year.
It should be noted that during the last weeks of post-production for The Flash movie, James Gunn got involved and changed many things, especially the ending because he didn't want the Snyderverse to continue and disrupt his version of upcoming DCU movies.
It is hilarious how Jen talking about how she is not super eager to watch this DCEU movie, while wearing an Avengers hoodie. 😂
I'm not sure if you're familiar with the flashpoint storyline but I highly recommend watching the DC animated film the flashpoint paradox. It's terrific. Also in The flash TV show, the villain in the fifth season I believe is named Savitar and that's actually a future version of Barry who kept on trying to change the past. His suit was somewhat similar to this Berry with a bunch of metallic spikes.
It's a great day when Holden and Corridor Crew upload Flash content
...."he's in the MCU now." That got me lol
“Ezra Miller is actually just in the city and they had cameras rolling” 😂
Re them going back to save Keaton’s Batman towards the end, and not being in another universe again, I think it was tried to explain that it’s only at critical points/events when something is changed it leads to a different universe, as opposed to slight changes to the timeline. Possibly also because it was just a recent moment so it hadn’t been cemented as a critical point yet so going back only a short time might avoid that issue until he goes back far enough and changes something
5:49 e-trade baby. 6:50 he has some kind of armor over his suit so he would be able to slide on the asphalt. I love the whole lasso of truth scene with Batman & the Flash. 9:55 If you’ve seen “Shawshank Redemption” you should recognize the poster on the wall he phases through. 7:57 Billy Crudup was supposed to but filming schedule caused them to have to recast him with Ron Livingston. 16:03 I like how they hide his face until the reveal. I think it makes it better. 17:05 this is the Bruce Wayne that Barry needed to start with. He said things Barry needed to hear. 17:24 it’s what Commissioner Gordon finds on Jokers body in 89. 18:18 fun fact about his suit is they tried to make his suit more flexible and he said it needed to be stiffer cause of how it was in 89 & 92. He had to turn his whole body so this suit had to be the same. 19:30 a Michael Keaton “Batman Beyond” movie. That’s what DC needs to do next. 25:43 as Keaton Batman said that was Barry created a timeline mess like the cooked pasta the timeline was no longer straight. 27:21 unless cause they didn’t go back so far in time they were still in the same universe. 28:48 I like how the red paint falls off his suit as he keeps going back in time showing him changing to evil (in a way). 30:51 I think they decided to do the Superman Returns with Brandon Routh instead. 33:32 Jason Momoa must have had a blast filming this end credit scene.
Jenn should've just pointed to her hoodie when Holden asked "how you feeling going into this"
I was annoyed too by past Barry but I understood why he was like that. Makes sense because that Barry never experienced loss the way present Barry did.
At the end my roommate was like “Wait, he’s Latino and can’t really speak Spanish?” I had to remind her that he’s probably a no sabo kid because his mom died when he was a kid & his dad went to prison. Makes sense 😂
I wish they had done a end credits scene where Bruce is chatting with Barry and introduced his friend....Terry McGuiness( I know I misspelled it) in full BATMAN BEYOND gear.
I don't want that unless they're doing the movie.
YOU WANNA GET NUTS, LET'S GET NUTS!
This movies was not as bad as people say, it was genuinely a fun watch.
Holden if you didn't know, Nicholas Cage is a big comic book fan in general. His real name is Nicholas Coppola, as he's the nephew of Director Francis Ford Coppala. He chose the stage name Cage, because he is/was a fan of the Marvel character Luke Cage, that you watched in the Defenders series.
Also there is a documentary about the Nicholas Cage/Tim Burton Superman movie. It was made by artist Jon Scnepp, who you may have watched on the Collider UA-cam channel, before he passed away. It's a great documentary that you should be able to find easily, if you want to watch. That Superman movie was in pre production,about to film, when it was cancelled.
Even better, Nick named his second son "Kal-El" after Superman. Now that's a real fan!
You are correct, the 3d-ish time dome effect was made intentionally like as an allegory to the Justice League animated series opening
The baby from the last Twilight movie looked more convincing than the babies that Barry saved.
its hilarious that EVERY time Wonder Woman is on screen in any movie her theme gets blasted XD
2:05 okay, so. The CliffNotes version is: Ezra Miller has been causing people actual headaches off-camera, up to and including barging into people’s hotel rooms and smashing up personal property. There was a statement supposedly put out by them (by which I mean Ezra; Ezra uses they/them pronouns) that was an apology but it felt more like a prepared statement from their agent or publicist or whoever.
THIS TOO SHALL PASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
41:00 and then Will Smith said he turned down The MATRIX to do WILD WILD WEST😅
That producer changed the course of movie history😂
31:30 comic books in general, actually. Not only did Nicolas Cage choose his professional name based on Luke Cage, also called Power Man, but he actually has a tattoo of Ghost Rider somewhere on his body.
The george clooney Batman was the first Batman movie i had ever seen in theaters when i was a little kid. That bit at the end with him was so funny lol
I'm disappointed that when Batman says "Do you wanna get nuts? Let's get nuts" that he isn't talking about snacks
My guess is that either they are re-entering different realities of that moment, or when going back to the past, the other Flash knocked him into another one. He can go back through time without changing anything, but got knocked into an alternate one instead.
The flash is one of the most OP characters, endless power
I enjoyed this movie more than i thought i would, I've always loved Michael Keatons Batman and seeing him return was great. Although his call back lines felt a little forced but i know others love them.
I wish the old DC tribute cameos were more Flash related but i know there will be more movies and opportunities to do that, even if it wont be in the super near future with the universe reset
I would honestly love to see Holdan and Jen watch The Flash tv show on the channel it’s honestly one of my favorite flash shows as the suit gets more comic accurate as the show goes on.
I give it a 5.5 maybe a 6. You guys should watch Flashpoint Paradox although it’s animated, it is great as the comic event and changes. Pretty much what this movie was based on from that premise, and not only Flashpoint rebooted the DC comics to The New 52, but the DCAU…. Highly recommend it and hope others agree.
Well it makes sense in terms of DC as in flashpoint comics/animation movie when Barry saved his mom he changed the timeline completely events before his moms death were also changed and as thawne explained that a time boom causes ripples of distortion across the timeline whenever you change something hence the ripples change everything in past and future...
5:36 y’know, this is probably the first time I’ve ever heard Jen say “oh my God” on the channel
She says it constantly, what are you talking about 😂
@@christianjalexander usually I’ve heard her say “oh my *gosh*”
@@StarQueenEstrella I'm a former fundamentalist Christian, so my ears are trained to notice gosh vs. God, and she definitely says both. She has been saying the latter ever since she first started appearing on the channel years ago
@@christianjalexander as I said, this is *my* first time hearing it
You went into this with the right mindset - turn your brain off and enjoy the show. it's not great but if you just look at it for 2.5 hours of entertainment, it does it's job, like a Michael Bay movie. Like you also, I enjoyed everyone that wasn't the flash. I would love a Kara movie, the Nick Cage superman with the Peters Giant spider was fantastic, Michael Keaton Batman....... i don't know the number of times i saw Batman and Batman Returns as a kid. I loved that Michael Keaton was willing to come back and do this, it made the movie for me.
Did you notice when he hugs his mom that the lightning is blue but in next scene courtroom lightning is yellow...hmmm
You can see Barry also changes the past when he’s in the younger Barry’s apartment. The PC has a “Looney Toons” wallpaper and not “Looney Tunes”, the real name.
You need to see "The Death of Superman Lives, What Happened?" by Jon Schnepp, who unfortuanetly passed away a few years ago, but this was his dream project and he made it happen. It features Tim Burton, Kevin Smith and producer Jon Peters among many other faces and interviews. It's awesome. You won't regret watching this.
The most random and hype part of the movie is Jamie Lannister eating pizza on the street😂
according to this and ZSJL, going back seconds doesn't change the timeline
Now you gotta show Jen The Flash TV Show
You need to see Flashpoint animated to see how they took bits and pieces to make this Flash movie
5:58- Saved a baby with a microwave. That's how good he is. 25:21- Nope, shouldn't've told her that. That is the wrong answer to tell the angry girl.
Re Clooney returning for a cameo, I’m pretty sure they tried to get Bale back but he wasn’t interested. They previewed the movie early and it didn’t show him at all, just had Ezra’s ‘who the f**k is this?’ Like and then cut to credits.
It seems this movie had a LOT of delays and reshoots, I think people in charge at WB & DC at the time wanted rid of all Snyder’s versions of the characters and intended to end the movie with Keaton permanently in place as the current Batman so then the now cancelled Batwoman movie that had already been filmed with Keaton in it and also with JK Simmons (reprising his role of Gordon from Justice League) could make sense. When David Zaslov took over WB when the Discovery takeover took place, I think he decided to try and right the ship while saving costs and clearing up the audience confusion from too many different versions, and then James Gunn was put in charge to reboot the DCU, so I think they decided to do a throwaway joke at the end with Clooney. To be honest, it’s a perfect analogy for how sh**ty they’ve treated the franchises and the fans IMO.
The end scene outside the court is an actual real spot...in London UK
Jen wearing Avengers shirt while watching DC like a true anarchist xD
When can I get Jen's hoodie?? Love it
I like how Jen is wearing a Marvel sweater
I was there for Michael Keaton too! He was the reason I watched this movie.