i watch tons of tutorial and let me tell you that very few people explain so clearly and with such knowledge concepts with this clarity. very well done and keep going.
Very well explained! I really wasn't able to understand how an audio converter fits together with an audio interface in a signal flaw. Now I understand that an audio interface has a AD/DA converter inside, but it also has mic preamps, sound effects, and so on, whereas, if I want even better audio conversion, I should buy a standalone AD/DA convertor, such the Antelope or the Orion that you mentionned there, but that means I also have to get standalone preamps, sound effects, reverbs and so on... but not "All-in-one" audio interface. Did I get it right? Very informative sir, thanks a lot!
I just heard the Burl B2 in action and I want it... Right now Im using the Apollo 8x converters. I record ITB and mix OTB.. I use several hardware chains then I run them into the Neve 5059. I use the 4 outs of the Neve and run them into a SSL Six with another hardware chain as an insert on the 2 bus before it goes back into the Apollo/DAW. I want the Burl to be the last in the signal line of my hardware units coming back into my DAW and bypassing the Apollo converters. So I only want to use the BURL as and A/D... How would I connect this to the Apollo to bypass the Apollo converters?
They are important. Everything in my studio is connected to power conditioner and UPS to prevent surges. I've had a surge take down a piece of gear before, I won't let that happen again
@@TheAudioCzar wow. That's sad...I see most studios using ferman power conditioner....it's seems a good buy but I find the connectors at the back very strange. I don't know any gear with those kind of plugs...how do I connect gear to the ferman or do you recommend something else?
Great info!!! Do you know how to connect Burl B2 Bomber ADC to Apollo 6x for tracking? I'm using using a Neumann 103 into bae 1072 preamp MacBook pro m1 Cubase 12 Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks .
thank you very much , extremely well explained , think i am going to invest in better audio interface and studio monitors , i have scarlett 2i2 and KRK ROKITS 8 first edition , but i think the most important of all is room treatment , and this is my next step
Love your videos. I have an Apollo 8xp and am Apollo 8 connected together. I have my pure 2 commected to the tos link on the Apollo 8xp set to SPIDIF. I can mix and then export my final mix over SPIDIF to my pure 2. Now I want to buy a Burl b2 bomber. To connect it I assume I would connect the analog XLR to a set of ports on my Apollo. Would I them connect the Left and Right over the AES Connector. To the Appolo 8xp. They say the Burl AES Port will allow L and R to the Burl. Again just resting to figure out how to add the Burl to my existing Apollo setup ?
Great video!!! I have a Galaxy 32 myself. I’m planning on getting 4 X Ssl Violet Eqs for my main busses. Each of them going into it’s own hardware bus compressor. The problem is it is the first time using a summing box and I’m. It confident this is the right way of connecting and routing the signals. I was thinking coming out of the Galaxy 32 on 1-2, 3-4, 5-6 &7-8 into one Violet per each stereo pair. From each Violet getting into each corresponding compressor IN. From the out of each compressor into the Summing mixer following the same stereo structure . From the AES out of the Summing mixer to AES In of the Crane Sing Quantum Hedd. from the Hedd Analog out into Creme RC into Bettermaker Liniter and Back into the Analog in of the Hedd. Fro. Here AES out to M905 and from AES of M905 to Lynx Hilo for printing in a secondary computer… Does it make sense? Anything wrong with this setup? Thank you.
2:25 - Not all audio interfaces have converters in them, or preamps for that matter. I have an RME RayDat which interfaces between my gear and my computer via ADAT, AES/EBU, SPDIF, and MIDI connections, but the interface itself does NOT convert A/D or D/A, nor does it have a single preamp built in it. All of those must be provided externally. Still a great video!
Hi , Have a Q , Have a Bose Cinamate 1 that is analog in, But My NEW TCL TV is digital with no analog outs, the tv has a digital fiber optic out , So I got a DAK that has a digital in with the A & B analog out do you think this will work ..... Thanks ...
Hello, GREAT VIDEO! Thanks so much. Can you please help me with the following. I jut got a Burl B2 ADC and I wanted to ask how I would hook up the B2 ADC into my Apollo X8P so that I can mix and listen to the out put of the B2? My normal chain and bouncing option is straight from my Apollo X8P to hard disk via off-line bounce. So now heres what Ive done to accomplish this: * Clocked the Apollo to the Burl with word clock BNC (Master) * Routed output 7/8 from Apollo to analog in on BURL * Burl TOSS out to Apollo ADAT in 1 (changed Digital input in console matrix from ADAT to SPIDF) This is where Im stuck! Id like to listen to the B2 while producing/mixing. I would also like to track thru BURL while recording vocals. Im thinking of putting the the BURL and the Apollo out 7/8 on to a patch-bay. So I can accomplish this. Thanks in advance
Standalone converters and Audio Interfaces are becoming one of the same as the gap bridges. Many people even refer to the Apogee Symphony as an Audio Interface because it connects to your computer and even has a headphone jack. Same with the Lynx Aurora (n). Both Apogee and Lynx has the options to configure the units with built in pre amps. Converters these days are becoming more and more like multi functional high end audio interfaces. The Motu AVB line and Focusrite Red interfaces examples of high end audio interfaces that are in the ballpark of Apogee, RME, Lynx, Antelope etc.
Great video bro! I’m grabbing a dangerous convert a/d. I’m using an Apollo x6 for an interface. So as far as printing the mix and hittin the converters what’s that setup look like? Does that even require me to be connected to the Apollo? Sorry for the noob question haha. Thanks
Great video. I have a UAD 8xp and an Antelope Pure 2. I using windows. I commented the Pure 2 via SPIDIF this way I can choose to output the final mix on the plaster to either the UAD or the Pure 2. Now I want to buy a Burl B2 AD but I can't figure out how to connect it. Seems like windows makes you choose the interface (UAD or Pure2) I think on Macintosh you can combine all the Audio interfaces. I wish windows could do that. Any ideas
What are your thought on this? So you are only recording 2 channels at a time when using your high end ADC? Using toslink / ADAT you can use 8channels max? I'm using the Burl ADC for 2 ins on optical / spidf and RNC MBC for 2 channels in on ADAT. That gives me 4 high quality ADC's available at one time. Recording from channel strips. I thought about the new Heritage pres with ADC 8channels but thought the MBC might be better and with the Burl and MBC I have two options. I have great channel strips so I don't need more pres...want more....maybe. I guess it does not really matter what interface you use if you don't use the mic pres or built in converters. As long as the interface works with your computer and DAW efficiently. Not using the built in pres and ADC and DAC seems to eliminate any latency or lower it if there is any. What has been your experience?
What would you recommend i have focusrite Clarett 8pre thinking of either going a Neve portico MB or upgrading my AD DA/interface? might be tough question but interested in what you think thanks
Thanks I ended up getting the preamp silver bullet and I got a Clarrett 8pre do you think it's worth upgrading to a Rosetta 800 or there would not be much difference with the Clarrett better to get something else? Thinking Rosetta800? Zulu? or drawmer 1978 bus comp?
If I'm recording digital streaming music onto analog tape, would the new analog product sound better if I utilized a digital audio converter? And if so, which one would you recommend? Thanks much for your advice.
I have got a jvc smart tv with no audio but it has got a digital optical connection im trying to get the sound through the speakers on my amplifier so if i got a converter could I use the digital optical on in the TV to the converter and then a rca to the amp to get the sound through the speakers please thanks Jamie
Hi Czar I after checking out your videos I Purchased the Pure 2. Love the sound!! Im using Aes connection Just wondering how to include Dangerous 2bus that only has Trs outputs to the chain. help!! thanks
So if you wanted to hook a new Oled tv up to your vintage stereo system to basically play the audio through ur integrated amplifier which obviously goes to the speakers, this is possible yes or no ?
I know this is an old video but I’m using the new Apollo X8 and the Dangerous DBox+. I’m looking at purchasing the Antelope Audio Pure 2 (more so for the clock). I’d like to ask you some questions. I’ll pay for your time my brother.
Hey Czar, thanks! Do you need to go through the interface or can you go directly into the computer with the signal from the converter? I ask because I think about buying a studiolive32 mixer in order to have a lot of ins & outs without a need to cascade interfaces, but all of these digital mixers dont have the ability to capture a converted AD-Signal, no ADAT no SPDIF, only one AES going out (while the DA-conversion is not as important as vice versa). So what I would like to ask you is: Would it be a massive downgrade to stick to the presonus studiolives conversion in the long run? I mean, is that really sooo bad? and second: cant you just hook up the AD-converter to your computer? The recorded signal is running into the DAW while the rest is going through your regular interface?
My current step is Clarett 8pre usb was thinking of getting a apogee 800 does that make sense to have an extra 8 Channels of conversion taking my Clarett 8 ch and apogee to another 8 channels in my daw with my dbox? A little confused maybe you can help me out thanks
Hello! In you Pro opinion which one fits best for mixing and mastering on headphones: Lynx Hilo or SPL XE(or SE) w/DAC768xs? My headphones are: Audeze LCDX and Focal Clear Pro MG. Thank you
Im in the same situation. Im just wondering, since I want after my hardware chain to end at the pure 2 (pushing it a bit for nice clipping). Wouldnt it contradict that to go back into the orion or once it converted back into the pure 2 then the quality wont change again going thru the orion?
@@TheAudioCzar coz i was thinking of creating the analog loop and spidf out of orion into pure but then pure to computer by usb. Wouldnt that be better? Or wont matter after the convertion is done? Thx bro.
Hey man . Awesome channel bro. I have few questions for you . I want to upgrade my ad da . Right now i have multiface rme . I like the rme drivers and i am hooking bunch of synths to it . I also have a separate greatriver mic pre. Lets say i get the pure too , and hooked it up with the rme through spdif . Can i still use the pure 2 AD for the mic pre only? And keep the rme for synths? If so, in this case my computer would be dealing with 2 interfaces at the same time? Its a bit confusing at the same time? Thanks a lot
+Mostafa Negm you can get a pure 2 and connect it to the RME. You don't have to connect the pure 2 to your computer unless you want to utilize the software control. To use the great river pre (great pre BTW) you can connect it to the XLR in on the pure 2, them spidf to RME. In your DAW select spidf input for that channel.
audioczarnet so if i am using the rme inputs and then connecting it to the pure 2 , this way i am bypassing the DA only of the rme ? Or will i be bypassing both AD and DA?
***** if you use the RME inputs and then monitor the output from the pure 2 connected by spidf then your using the D/A from the pure 2 and the A/D of RME. I wouldn'tsay your bypassing the D/A of RME, because technically if your using the spidf out your just choosing note use the RME D/A. To use the pure 2 for A/D then you would need plug into the pure 2
so please let me know if i got this right .. a chain could be like .. Synths>Rme inputs>spidf out rme>spidf in pure2> monitors . and if i want to use the mic directly into the pure 2 to benefit from the high end AD conversion .. that would be like this ... Mic>greatriver> Pure 2 in> spidf out to RME> choosing the spidf channel from the totalmix rme software ....... other wise if this couldn't happen . i guess there is no point of purchasing an AD DA . I could go get a DA only . I'd have to use the AD pure2 to justify it right ? . I guess it wouldn't be optimal to only use the RME as a patchbay for my synths . however RME has great drivers .. how about I can go for a Lynx HILO it has lots of inputs and outputs.. and sell my RME ..I guess both Pure2 and Hilo are at the same level!! this way I can benefit from both AD and DA .. what do you think ? and Thanks a lot for your time man . I appreciate your help Respect
You got the signal flow right. The Hilo and pure 2 are both 2 channels. Between the two I would go with the pure 2 because it's rackable. The form factor of the Hilo is odd to me. Though I guess they probably sale rack ears for the Hilo but that would be an additional cost. Also I'm not a fan of the touchscreen. The pure 2 has software control where I can control it from there. As far as sound I wouldn't one is better then the other. I had a lynx Aurora before getting the Orion and I was pleased the conversion and clocking from it.
Czar, Peace King. I have a Roland Octa-Capture 10/10 as my audio interface connected to a mac pro. I also have some outboard gear (WA 273 Eq and 2 Distressors EL8x). My issue is that I have a bit of latency when I do digital summing. That is run the signal out Left and or right and doing some outboard processing and bring it back in. My question is what would be the best way to solve this issue?
@@TheAudioCzar Thanks for responding King. I'm using Pro Tools 2019. I get a 253ms delay. I've tried the buffer on both my computer and interface. It still delays at the same 253ms.
@@DaGodMoryae Pro Tools 1019 should have delay compensation. if thats on I'm not sure why its not compensating for that. 253ms is a lot, is it telling you that at the bottom of the track of the mixer? And has its always behaved this way, or just started
@@TheAudioCzar Delay comp is on. And it still gives me the delay. Just started using the analog gear about 2 weeks ago and its been doing it the whole time. Ive been nudging it into place and 253 is about where it lines up.
Czar sorry i meant using interface and the converter at the same time since I wanted some better outboard converter on top of the interface im using atm. But according to what you’ve just replied, does that mean I wouldn’t need an interface because i have a better external converter? and is that ok for my recording to final production and mixing as well?
@@danielkang7789 you would connect the external converter to your spidf on the interface, you would still need an interface because most likely the interface has the majority of your I/O, like more example, my Presonus Quantum carries my I/O, but the Antelope Pure 2 is connected by spidf to the quantum
you would connect the A/D D/A converter to the interface, digitally. So for the D/A converter you could go spidf out from the interface to spidf in on the converter. Now you select spidf output on the interface it will be coming from the d/a converter.
What confuses me is when you talk about recording into the pure 2 and then have it going out to the Orion 32 , does that mean you cant use all the I/O of the Studio 32 if you wanna use the D/A of the Pure 2? Let me know if my question doesnt make sense. Im new to the high end world of conversion/interfaces and trying to figure it all out! I would hope you can still use all the I/O of the Orion for recording/mixing/mastering but then use the Conversion of the Pure 2.
You can use all 32 channels on the orion, however to use the spidf or adat you have to sacrifice those channels from the physical I/O. So for me when I am connected with the Pure2 by spidf, which is two channels, I lose 2 channels from my physical 32. If I was use adat (8 channels) on the Orion 32 I would lose 8 channels from Orion 32 physical I/O.
Thank you very much for your tutorial. Awesome!! It's really well explained. I just don't figure out with one thing. If I have a track worked in logic (al digital). Do I have to go out from my interface with SPDIF to Pure 2 and then coming back from pure 2 with its analog out or do I have to go out from my interface in analog to the pure 2 and then coming back to the pure 2 in digital? I think that less passage I do, the better it is. So probably if I'm in digital I need to continue to stay in digital to the pure 2 and then coming back from the pure 2 in analog to my interface. What do you do usually? thank you very much!! keep going on!!
I'm looking for a rca to digital converter. I want to rip all my vinyl to my pc. And suggestions. Looking for high quality. Anything in the 150$ range ?
Do you have an interface? You can get rca to 1/4 inch adapters and run to your interface. Or run RCA into a mixer and the outputs to an interface. That way you can control the level.
@@TheAudioCzar . i can simply connect in the headphone jack port on the back of the PC... but im looking for something that will usb into the computer..
so my question is, do i necessarily need an audio interface to connect converters to a computer? can't i just connect the converters direct to the computer? and again, in the situation that you have described above, once you are connected, does the audio interface cease having any influence whatsoever on the sound and leave all the conversion to the dedicated converters?
Great question. This is the number one question for people like us and it’s hard finding this answer. Did you ever find out or what did you end up purchasing and do you still love it after a year
@@ericmcconkey6201 i got an interface, but i have since read around it. the interface has no effect on the sound as it only serves as a connection to the computer. the coverter is what has effect on the sound. But the interface does introduce latency and so for such duties, you probably need something from rme. but the sonic gain is rather minimal given interfaces have come a long way and so it makes more sense to just go for a good interface
what i dont get is say i wanna track with all external preamps/eq/comps, or using a mixer and I dont want an interface/converter with mic preamps, because like i said i already have all my preamps, how do you connect all those channells into your interface? well, Okay, I guess you need line ins right? the thing i dont get, is where are all of the line inputs on these interfaces without mic/combi/line inputs? like right now i track through an isa one , a compressor, and an eq etc and the last thing it goes into is a mic/line in on my interface, but when i look at all these antelopes and stuff I guess i dont see how to get all the inputs in? sorry if thats confusing!
+James Cassidy if your using an interface that has mic/line option for the input you want to use it as line if your using a external pre. Most interfaces have a combo jack (XLR/TRS). Usually the TRS connection bypasses the mic pre. So you can go from your pre to the line in bypassing the pre on the interface
yea no i get that! what im saying is if your using all external pres, either hardware or from a mixer, and your using an interface/converter without pres(because all your pres are covered) how are you getting it into interfaces that dont have mic pres built in? know what i mean lol? if not just tell me and ill try reword it! i understand though how to use external pres/eq/comps etc and run them into a line or mic/line in on an interface!i guess another way to put it would be, lets say i had a recording that required a big i/o channell count, like 8-16 mics, and i had all external pres or a mixer, how do you route all those to an interface or a/d/ d/a converter? like they make ad/da converters without mic preamps for people that dont need them or even some like the rme 's that have 8 pres but say you can run 64 channells of inputs..like how lol?
Do you mean how can a interface say 26 inputs for example and you only see 8 inputs? If the interface has adat each adat connection can add 8 channels up to 48k sample rate. higher than that and you cut your channel count in half. So it goes from 8 to 4. If you have a presonus Digi max for example it will let you connect 8 mic/line inputs by adat to an interface. So if you've using all of the inputs on the interface you can expand the inputs by adat. If that's the answer or I'm still misunderstood let me know
yeah you answered half of my question forsure, the thing i was having trouble understanding is if you wanna buy an interface without preamps on it , is there options that have just line ins for if your just wanting to use external pres! i kind of figured it out over the weekend though and realised there is interfaces you can buy that just have line ins and other stuff but no actual pres! i just didnt know exactly how you would connect your pres to your interface if it didnt have combi jacks or pres already! ! so no worries! thanks homie!
my only question know would be whats the difference between a converter/ and an interface that just has line ins and no pres? or is it the same? or is a high end converter, just like a high end clock something you just add on to your interface?
I use to pure 2 for mixing and mastering. The reason I'm using two converters is because I mix using analog summing. Doing this I need a separate D/A converter to monitor whats being recorded back in the DAW. If I was mixing in the box then Orion would be all I would need.
i am interested in buying a rme audio interface and dedicated a/d and d/a converters. 1) do I need both a a/d and d/a unit and a clock for this to work? or can i just buy a a/d converter and connect it to a audio interface? 2) can someone show me or link me to a video on how I would connect a a/d conveter to a d/a and then a clock and then to my interface? cheers
i dont agree with you about the importance of ad/da i once recorded cheap preamps with cheap mics going through my apogee ad16x, sounded drastically better than my 500 series, neumann mics going into a motu 2408mk3 AD/DA is the number 1 priority imo
yes, the motu was like having ear muffs on. i could never get my mixes to sound like top 20 music...so my crusade began to get that "sound" the hi and low end were never right, even with neve 1073's, focusrite reds, and API channel strips....Neumann m149 and u87 mics...all sounded muddy and not so hi end. Then i heard a friends recording and my jaw dropped, mind you hes not a good engineer, out the box with no mixing his sound blew mine away. He was using apogee ad16x for AD conversion....and the rest is history! Apogee has that polish sound, natural high end with clarified lows. Im looking to upgrade to orion 32hd but im super scared it wont hold up to apogee. i live in a small city and have no way to demo the antelope converters....perhaps we can file swap to see the difference....im hoping antelope is just as high end....
I dont get how someone can use an a/d converter WITH an audio interface when the interface already has it..... EXample: you record something, signal leaves compressor goes into a/d converter and then into interface (which already has converters!!??) unless you need a particular type of interface?
If you go line in into your interface you are using the interfaces A/D. If your using a standalone A/D converter, that would connect to your interface by spidf. Then the signal, say a vocal, would go mic - compressor - A/D, spidf out of the A/D to spidf in on the interface. Because its going spidf, which is digital, it stays digital after leaving the A/D going into the interface.
Instead of lining the micpre to the converter, what happens when we line it in the audio interface converter? Is the preamp "useless" if we connect it to the audio interface preamp converter ?
You can go line into a converter on the interface, just make sure when your interface bypass the pres when connected by line level if your using a combo jack (XLR/TRS in one) Not all interfaces bypass the mic pres.
Your voice is acoustic, a microphone is analog representation of acoustic and inside your computer digital conversation of analog representation of acoustic voice. Misunderstanding the basics always misleads you to wrong way.
+Joe Bills room treatment is important. The reason you hear room reflections is because the part of the room where the mic is attached to the camera is not treated and the part of the room behind me is, which is where I mix at.
Hello Bro, this is James a music producer. Kindly send your email id , I need to discuss something about you. I am producing some rock blue kind of track and I want vocals should get treated by analog hardware but I don't have any analog hardware I do all ITB. Ll you process vocal with you analog gears ? I'll pay you. Tell me the charge for one Vocal track analog processing ?
why is it when ever an america is explaining something on you tube half the video is a fucking unnecessary pre amble causing me to loss the will to live..get to the point ffs
i watch tons of tutorial and let me tell you that very few people explain so clearly and with such knowledge concepts with this clarity. very well done and keep going.
Best Education on AD-DA Yet
You do a really good job explaining and come off very down to earth and humble unlike alot of others on here in the music industry. Thank You!
this video answered all the questions. great guy telling the story
Finally someone that explains it clearly
Very well explained! I really wasn't able to understand how an audio converter fits together with an audio interface in a signal flaw. Now I understand that an audio interface has a AD/DA converter inside, but it also has mic preamps, sound effects, and so on, whereas, if I want even better audio conversion, I should buy a standalone AD/DA convertor, such the Antelope or the Orion that you mentionned there, but that means I also have to get standalone preamps, sound effects, reverbs and so on... but not "All-in-one" audio interface. Did I get it right? Very informative sir, thanks a lot!
Excellent explanation bro! You helped a lot of people with this one!
I just heard the Burl B2 in action and I want it...
Right now Im using the Apollo 8x converters.
I record ITB and mix OTB.. I use several hardware chains then I run them into the Neve 5059. I use the 4 outs of the Neve and run them into a SSL Six with another hardware chain as an insert on the 2 bus before it goes back into the Apollo/DAW.
I want the Burl to be the last in the signal line of my hardware units coming back into my DAW and bypassing the Apollo converters. So I only want to use the BURL as and A/D... How would I connect this to the Apollo to bypass the Apollo converters?
Use spidf/aes out of the burl into the spidf in on the apollo.
@@TheAudioCzar Thank you bro
I'm late to learning this. Thank you for dropping that knowledge for us.
thank you for sharing Helpful Information.....Whats your Take on Power Conditioners? How important or Relevant are they?
They are important. Everything in my studio is connected to power conditioner and UPS to prevent surges. I've had a surge take down a piece of gear before, I won't let that happen again
@@TheAudioCzar wow. That's sad...I see most studios using ferman power conditioner....it's seems a good buy but I find the connectors at the back very strange. I don't know any gear with those kind of plugs...how do I connect gear to the ferman or do you recommend something else?
Great info!!! Do you know how to connect Burl B2 Bomber ADC to Apollo 6x for tracking? I'm using using a Neumann 103 into bae 1072 preamp MacBook pro m1 Cubase 12 Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks .
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thank you very much , extremely well explained , think i am going to invest in better audio interface and studio monitors , i have scarlett 2i2 and KRK ROKITS 8 first edition , but i think the most important of all is room treatment , and this is my next step
Love your videos. I have an Apollo 8xp and am Apollo 8 connected together. I have my pure 2 commected to the tos link on the Apollo 8xp set to SPIDIF. I can mix and then export my final mix over SPIDIF to my pure 2.
Now I want to buy a Burl b2 bomber. To connect it I assume I would connect the analog XLR to a set of ports on my Apollo. Would I them connect the Left and Right over the AES Connector. To the Appolo 8xp. They say the Burl AES Port will allow L and R to the Burl. Again just resting to figure out how to add the Burl to my existing Apollo setup ?
Thanks! How would I connect Bae 1073 Mic Pre to an A/D converter for example?
Gavin Jack same thing I need to know
Just connect the output of the BAE to the A/D converter. The converter will XLR or TRS line level connection
audioczarnet thank you
Great video!!! I have a Galaxy 32 myself. I’m planning on getting 4 X Ssl Violet Eqs for my main busses. Each of them going into it’s own hardware bus compressor. The problem is it is the first time using a summing box and I’m. It confident this is the right way of connecting and routing the signals. I was thinking coming out of the Galaxy 32 on 1-2, 3-4, 5-6 &7-8 into one Violet per each stereo pair. From each Violet getting into each corresponding compressor IN. From the out of each compressor into the Summing mixer following the same stereo structure . From the AES out of the Summing mixer to AES In of the Crane Sing Quantum Hedd. from the Hedd Analog out into Creme RC into Bettermaker Liniter and Back into the Analog in of the Hedd. Fro. Here AES out to M905 and from AES of M905 to Lynx Hilo for printing in a secondary computer… Does it make sense? Anything wrong with this setup? Thank you.
2:25 - Not all audio interfaces have converters in them, or preamps for that matter. I have an RME RayDat which interfaces between my gear and my computer via ADAT, AES/EBU, SPDIF, and MIDI connections, but the interface itself does NOT convert A/D or D/A, nor does it have a single preamp built in it. All of those must be provided externally. Still a great video!
also connecting external converters...you must use clocking with bnc cables when spitting out multiple tracks...spdif is stereo
I'm actually doing a video on clocking next
How do you manage your different mastering DACs?
This was good knowledge bro!
preciate that homie
***** no doubt
Hi , Have a Q , Have a Bose Cinamate 1 that is analog in, But My NEW TCL TV is digital with no analog outs, the tv has a digital fiber optic out , So I got a DAK that has a digital in with the A & B analog out do you think this will work ..... Thanks ...
Hello, GREAT VIDEO! Thanks so much. Can you please help me with the following.
I jut got a Burl B2 ADC and I wanted to ask how I would hook up the B2 ADC into my Apollo X8P so that I can mix and listen to the out put of the B2?
My normal chain and bouncing option is straight from my Apollo X8P to hard disk via off-line bounce.
So now heres what Ive done to accomplish this:
* Clocked the Apollo to the Burl with word clock BNC (Master)
* Routed output 7/8 from Apollo to analog in on BURL
* Burl TOSS out to Apollo ADAT in 1 (changed Digital input in console matrix from ADAT to SPIDF)
This is where Im stuck!
Id like to listen to the B2 while producing/mixing.
I would also like to track thru BURL while recording vocals.
Im thinking of putting the the BURL and the Apollo out 7/8 on to a patch-bay. So I can accomplish this.
Thanks in advance
Standalone converters and Audio Interfaces are becoming one of the same as the gap bridges. Many people even refer to the Apogee Symphony as an Audio Interface because it connects to your computer and even has a headphone jack. Same with the Lynx Aurora (n). Both Apogee and Lynx has the options to configure the units with built in pre amps. Converters these days are becoming more and more like multi functional high end audio interfaces. The Motu AVB line and Focusrite Red interfaces examples of high end audio interfaces that are in the ballpark of Apogee, RME, Lynx, Antelope etc.
Apogee Symphony IS an audio interface. Not that "people refer to it as" but that is exactly what it is. - Apogee Support Team
Great video bro! I’m grabbing a dangerous convert a/d. I’m using an Apollo x6 for an interface. So as far as printing the mix and hittin the converters what’s that setup look like? Does that even require me to be connected to the Apollo? Sorry for the noob question haha. Thanks
The dangerous would connect to the Apollo by spidf/AES cable. Then when you select spidf input and your daw, those inputs would be the dangerous
Great video. I have a UAD 8xp and an Antelope Pure 2. I using windows. I commented the Pure 2 via SPIDIF this way I can choose to output the final mix on the plaster to either the UAD or the Pure 2.
Now I want to buy a Burl B2 AD but I can't figure out how to connect it. Seems like windows makes you choose the interface (UAD or Pure2)
I think on Macintosh you can combine all the Audio interfaces. I wish windows could do that. Any ideas
What are your thought on this? So you are only recording 2 channels at a time when using your high end ADC? Using toslink / ADAT you can use 8channels max?
I'm using the Burl ADC for 2 ins on optical / spidf and RNC MBC for 2 channels in on ADAT. That gives me 4 high quality ADC's available at one time. Recording from channel strips. I thought about the new Heritage pres with ADC 8channels but thought the MBC might be better and with the Burl and MBC I have two options. I have great channel strips so I don't need more pres...want more....maybe.
I guess it does not really matter what interface you use if you don't use the mic pres or built in converters. As long as the interface works with your computer and DAW efficiently. Not using the built in pres and ADC and DAC seems to eliminate any latency or lower it if there is any.
What has been your experience?
how about word clocking from a/d to interface? how would you go about that?
What would you recommend i have focusrite Clarett 8pre thinking of either going a Neve portico MB or upgrading my AD DA/interface? might be tough question but interested in what you think thanks
The Neve would take you a lot further then new A/D D/A converter.
@@TheAudioCzar thanks!
@@TheAudioCzar if you could get one piece of hardware? Go the preamp or compressor MB? One piece to complement you plugins?
Thanks I ended up getting the preamp silver bullet and I got a Clarrett 8pre do you think it's worth upgrading to a Rosetta 800 or there would not be much difference with the Clarrett better to get something else? Thinking Rosetta800? Zulu? or drawmer 1978 bus comp?
You explain things very well and that’s very helpful
If I'm recording digital streaming music onto analog tape, would the new analog product sound better if I utilized a digital audio converter? And if so, which one would you recommend? Thanks much for your advice.
Great explanation. Keep up the good work
I have got a jvc smart tv with no audio but it has got a digital optical connection im trying to get the sound through the speakers on my amplifier so if i got a converter could I use the digital optical on in the TV to the converter and then a rca to the amp to get the sound through the speakers please thanks Jamie
Hi Czar I after checking out your videos I Purchased the Pure 2. Love the sound!!
Im using Aes connection Just wondering how to include Dangerous 2bus that only
has Trs outputs to the chain. help!! thanks
sum out from the 2bus would go to the pure2 in. You would need a AES to spidf cable to go to your interface if your interface does not gave AES.
Thank you! That was exactly what I needed.
What about the focusrite isa one digital card converter what you think for the gear out today
So if u have mic pre & ad/da converter, u dont need an interface? (Given that i have a montor controller to control volume)
you always need an interface
So if you wanted to hook a new Oled tv up to your vintage stereo system to basically play the audio through ur integrated amplifier which obviously goes to the speakers, this is possible yes or no ?
what do you think about the ferrofish pulse 16? How is it compared to the Orion?
Never used it before.
I know this is an old video but I’m using the new Apollo X8 and the Dangerous DBox+. I’m looking at purchasing the Antelope Audio Pure 2 (more so for the clock). I’d like to ask you some questions. I’ll pay for your time my brother.
Email me. czar @ audioczar.net
Do you need an interface or do converters work standalone?
Interfaces have converters In them, converters mostly work standalone or connected to a interface
Hey Czar, thanks! Do you need to go through the interface or can you go directly into the computer with the signal from the converter? I ask because I think about buying a studiolive32 mixer in order to have a lot of ins & outs without a need to cascade interfaces, but all of these digital mixers dont have the ability to capture a converted AD-Signal, no ADAT no SPDIF, only one AES going out (while the DA-conversion is not as important as vice versa). So what I would like to ask you is: Would it be a massive downgrade to stick to the presonus studiolives conversion in the long run? I mean, is that really sooo bad? and second: cant you just hook up the AD-converter to your computer? The recorded signal is running into the DAW while the rest is going through your regular interface?
My current step is Clarett 8pre usb was thinking of getting a apogee 800 does that make sense to have an extra 8 Channels of conversion taking my Clarett 8 ch and apogee to another 8 channels in my daw with my dbox? A little confused maybe you can help me out thanks
Hello! In you Pro opinion which one fits best for mixing and mastering on headphones: Lynx Hilo or SPL XE(or SE) w/DAC768xs? My headphones are: Audeze LCDX and Focal Clear Pro MG. Thank you
I''ve never mixed and mastered on headphones so I'm not sure. I've heard a lot people say they like the Lynx, haven't heard anything about the SPL
@@TheAudioCzar thank you
Im in the same situation. Im just wondering, since I want after my hardware chain to end at the pure 2 (pushing it a bit for nice clipping). Wouldnt it contradict that to go back into the orion or once it converted back into the pure 2 then the quality wont change again going thru the orion?
the pure 2 is going into the Orion as digital, for A/D. This means its stays digital to the computer, no further conversion is happening
@@TheAudioCzar coz i was thinking of creating the analog loop and spidf out of orion into pure but then pure to computer by usb. Wouldnt that be better? Or wont matter after the convertion is done? Thx bro.
Would the pure 2 add better conversion to a rig wirh apollo interfaces??
I've never compared the two to say for sure
@@TheAudioCzar ok
Hey man . Awesome channel bro. I have few questions for you . I want to upgrade my ad da . Right now i have multiface rme . I like the rme drivers and i am hooking bunch of synths to it . I also have a separate greatriver mic pre. Lets say i get the pure too , and hooked it up with the rme through spdif . Can i still use the pure 2 AD for the mic pre only? And keep the rme for synths? If so, in this case my computer would be dealing with 2 interfaces at the same time? Its a bit confusing at the same time? Thanks a lot
+Mostafa Negm you can get a pure 2 and connect it to the RME. You don't have to connect the pure 2 to your computer unless you want to utilize the software control. To use the great river pre (great pre BTW) you can connect it to the XLR in on the pure 2, them spidf to RME. In your DAW select spidf input for that channel.
audioczarnet so if i am using the rme inputs and then connecting it to the pure 2 , this way i am bypassing the DA only of the rme ? Or will i be bypassing both AD and DA?
***** if you use the RME inputs and then monitor the output from the pure 2 connected by spidf then your using the D/A from the pure 2 and the A/D of RME. I wouldn'tsay your bypassing the D/A of RME, because technically if your using the spidf out your just choosing note use the RME D/A. To use the pure 2 for A/D then you would need plug into the pure 2
so please let me know if i got this right .. a chain could be like .. Synths>Rme inputs>spidf out rme>spidf in pure2> monitors . and if i want to use the mic directly into the pure 2 to benefit from the high end AD conversion .. that would be like this ... Mic>greatriver> Pure 2 in> spidf out to RME> choosing the spidf channel from the totalmix rme software ....... other wise if this couldn't happen . i guess there is no point of purchasing an AD DA . I could go get a DA only . I'd have to use the AD pure2 to justify it right ? . I guess it wouldn't be optimal to only use the RME as a patchbay for my synths . however RME has great drivers ..
how about I can go for a Lynx HILO it has lots of inputs and outputs.. and sell my RME ..I guess both Pure2 and Hilo are at the same level!! this way I can benefit from both AD and DA .. what do you think ? and Thanks a lot for your time man . I appreciate your help
Respect
You got the signal flow right. The Hilo and pure 2 are both 2 channels. Between the two I would go with the pure 2 because it's rackable. The form factor of the Hilo is odd to me. Though I guess they probably sale rack ears for the Hilo but that would be an additional cost. Also I'm not a fan of the touchscreen. The pure 2 has software control where I can control it from there. As far as sound I wouldn't one is better then the other. I had a lynx Aurora before getting the Orion and I was pleased the conversion and clocking from it.
Q: I got a karaoke mixer that only got RCA and Aux out but my soundbar only got hdmi and optical cable input. Do i need a ADC or DAC?
So what about connecting via XLR OR 1/4 INCH jacks ??
Czar, Peace King. I have a Roland Octa-Capture 10/10 as my audio interface connected to a mac pro. I also have some outboard gear (WA 273 Eq and 2 Distressors EL8x). My issue is that I have a bit of latency when I do digital summing. That is run the signal out Left and or right and doing some outboard processing and bring it back in. My question is what would be the best way to solve this issue?
What DAW are you using?
@@TheAudioCzar Thanks for responding King. I'm using Pro Tools 2019. I get a 253ms delay. I've tried the buffer on both my computer and interface. It still delays at the same 253ms.
@@TheAudioCzar Peace King. Did you find out anything that may help me?
@@DaGodMoryae Pro Tools 1019 should have delay compensation. if thats on I'm not sure why its not compensating for that. 253ms is a lot, is it telling you that at the bottom of the track of the mixer? And has its always behaved this way, or just started
@@TheAudioCzar Delay comp is on. And it still gives me the delay. Just started using the analog gear about 2 weeks ago and its been doing it the whole time. Ive been nudging it into place and 253 is about where it lines up.
Thanks For The Advice Czar
Well done. That was a great lesson brother I appreciate it.
GREAT EXPLANATION
Whats up with a video on studio mobile 192 the digital mixer
If i have outboard gears, Mic - Preamp - Comp - Converter - Interface. are these in right order?
Yes, however your interface is a converter. But you if you had an external converter you would go from that to the line input of the interface
Czar thanks but the also final output(to the speakers) would be the interface as well correct?
@@danielkang7789 yes, unless you had an external D/A converter. But interface out to your speakers would be using the D/A in the interface.
Czar sorry i meant using interface and the converter at the same time since I wanted some better outboard converter on top of the interface im using atm. But according to what you’ve just replied, does that mean I wouldn’t need an interface because i have a better external converter? and is that ok for my recording to final production and mixing as well?
@@danielkang7789 you would connect the external converter to your spidf on the interface, you would still need an interface because most likely the interface has the majority of your I/O, like more example, my Presonus Quantum carries my I/O, but the Antelope Pure 2 is connected by spidf to the quantum
Just Great. Right on & Thank you!!!
Now I am confused again; 7:19 Why would I want to connect a DA/AD converter to an interface? Shouldn't I rather connect it to the computer?
interface is the "computer" or the soundcard.
you would connect the A/D D/A converter to the interface, digitally. So for the D/A converter you could go spidf out from the interface to spidf in on the converter. Now you select spidf output on the interface it will be coming from the d/a converter.
What confuses me is when you talk about recording into the pure 2 and then have it going out to the Orion 32 , does that mean you cant use all the I/O of the Studio 32 if you wanna use the D/A of the Pure 2? Let me know if my question doesnt make sense. Im new to the high end world of conversion/interfaces and trying to figure it all out! I would hope you can still use all the I/O of the Orion for recording/mixing/mastering but then use the Conversion of the Pure 2.
You can use all 32 channels on the orion, however to use the spidf or adat you have to sacrifice those channels from the physical I/O. So for me when I am connected with the Pure2 by spidf, which is two channels, I lose 2 channels from my physical 32. If I was use adat (8 channels) on the Orion 32 I would lose 8 channels from Orion 32 physical I/O.
can i use my ( M-DAC+ audio lab ) as d\a and my ( ur44c ) as a/d ? plz answer me i need this so important
Thank you very much for your tutorial. Awesome!!
It's really well explained. I just don't figure out with one thing.
If I have a track worked in logic (al digital). Do I have to go out from my interface with SPDIF to Pure 2 and then coming back from pure 2 with its analog out or do I have to go out from my interface in analog to the pure 2 and then coming back to the pure 2 in digital?
I think that less passage I do, the better it is. So probably if I'm in digital I need to continue to stay in digital to the pure 2 and then coming back from the pure 2 in analog to my interface.
What do you do usually?
thank you very much!! keep going on!!
I'm looking for a rca to digital converter. I want to rip all my vinyl to my pc. And suggestions. Looking for high quality. Anything in the 150$ range ?
Do you have an interface? You can get rca to 1/4 inch adapters and run to your interface. Or run RCA into a mixer and the outputs to an interface. That way you can control the level.
@@TheAudioCzar . i can simply connect in the headphone jack port on the back of the PC... but im looking for something that will usb into the computer..
so my question is, do i necessarily need an audio interface to connect converters to a computer? can't i just connect the converters direct to the computer? and again, in the situation that you have described above, once you are connected, does the audio interface cease having any influence whatsoever on the sound and leave all the conversion to the dedicated converters?
Great question. This is the number one question for people like us and it’s hard finding this answer. Did you ever find out or what did you end up purchasing and do you still love it after a year
@@ericmcconkey6201 i got an interface, but i have since read around it. the interface has no effect on the sound as it only serves as a connection to the computer. the coverter is what has effect on the sound. But the interface does introduce latency and so for such duties, you probably need something from rme.
but the sonic gain is rather minimal given interfaces have come a long way and so it makes more sense to just go for a good interface
If I have a converter n a pre amp do I still need a audio interface?
Yes.
what i dont get is say i wanna track with all external preamps/eq/comps, or using a mixer and I dont want an interface/converter with mic preamps, because like i said i already have all my preamps, how do you connect all those channells into your interface? well, Okay, I guess you need line ins right? the thing i dont get, is where are all of the line inputs on these interfaces without mic/combi/line inputs? like right now i track through an isa one , a compressor, and an eq etc and the last thing it goes into is a mic/line in on my interface, but when i look at all these antelopes and stuff I guess i dont see how to get all the inputs in? sorry if thats confusing!
+James Cassidy if your using an interface that has mic/line option for the input you want to use it as line if your using a external pre. Most interfaces have a combo jack (XLR/TRS). Usually the TRS connection bypasses the mic pre. So you can go from your pre to the line in bypassing the pre on the interface
yea no i get that! what im saying is if your using all external pres, either hardware or from a mixer, and your using an interface/converter without pres(because all your pres are covered) how are you getting it into interfaces that dont have mic pres built in? know what i mean lol? if not just tell me and ill try reword it! i understand though how to use external pres/eq/comps etc and run them into a line or mic/line in on an interface!i guess another way to put it would be, lets say i had a recording that required a big i/o channell count, like 8-16 mics, and i had all external pres or a mixer, how do you route all those to an interface or a/d/ d/a converter? like they make ad/da converters without mic preamps for people that dont need them or even some like the rme 's that have 8 pres but say you can run 64 channells of inputs..like how lol?
Do you mean how can a interface say 26 inputs for example and you only see 8 inputs? If the interface has adat each adat connection can add 8 channels up to 48k sample rate. higher than that and you cut your channel count in half. So it goes from 8 to 4. If you have a presonus Digi max for example it will let you connect 8 mic/line inputs by adat to an interface. So if you've using all of the inputs on the interface you can expand the inputs by adat. If that's the answer or I'm still misunderstood let me know
yeah you answered half of my question forsure, the thing i was having trouble understanding is if you wanna buy an interface without preamps on it , is there options that have just line ins for if your just wanting to use external pres! i kind of figured it out over the weekend though and realised there is interfaces you can buy that just have line ins and other stuff but no actual pres! i just didnt know exactly how you would connect your pres to your interface if it didnt have combi jacks or pres already! ! so no worries! thanks homie!
my only question know would be whats the difference between a converter/ and an interface that just has line ins and no pres? or is it the same? or is a high end converter, just like a high end clock something you just add on to your interface?
Noob qustion, Orion is already AD and DA converter, why you use two converters, pure 2 strictly for mastering?
I use to pure 2 for mixing and mastering. The reason I'm using two converters is because I mix using analog summing. Doing this I need a separate D/A converter to monitor whats being recorded back in the DAW. If I was mixing in the box then Orion would be all I would need.
Thanks, bro. You should then do a video on summing, another tricky device
oops you already have
I've got one, search youtube for How to set up Analog Summing in Presonus Studio One
Why do you have the presonus upside down?
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Upgrading my home studio. Can I say use a 2 channel Neve preamp, and connect it to an ad/da converter stand alone no interface. Just preamp to AD DA?
Yes, along as the converter connects to your computer, which all stand alone a/d d/a do today
Really excellent video! Thank you so much!
thx bro great info and explanations...
i am interested in buying a rme audio interface and dedicated a/d and d/a converters.
1) do I need both a a/d and d/a unit and a clock for this to work? or can i just buy a a/d converter and connect it to a audio interface?
2) can someone show me or link me to a video on how I would connect a a/d conveter to a d/a and then a clock and then to my interface?
cheers
you can use the A/D converter as a clock. Just connect a word clock cable from the out of the A/D converter to the word clock in on the RME.
what is the cheapest audio interface with wc & spidif inputs?
gr8 vid ..
Great video, thank you!
Now That's Good Explanation. Thanks Man \m/
i dont agree with you about the importance of ad/da
i once recorded cheap preamps with cheap mics going through my apogee ad16x, sounded drastically better than my 500 series, neumann mics going into a motu 2408mk3
AD/DA is the number 1 priority imo
interesting. Did you find the MOTU conversion colored the sound?
yes, the motu was like having ear muffs on. i could never get my mixes to sound like top 20 music...so my crusade began to get that "sound"
the hi and low end were never right, even with neve 1073's, focusrite reds, and API channel strips....Neumann m149 and u87 mics...all sounded muddy and not so hi end. Then i heard a friends recording and my jaw dropped, mind you hes not a good engineer, out the box with no mixing his sound blew mine away. He was using apogee ad16x for AD conversion....and the rest is history! Apogee has that polish sound, natural high end with clarified lows. Im looking to upgrade to orion 32hd but im super scared it wont hold up to apogee. i live in a small city and have no way to demo the antelope converters....perhaps we can file swap to see the difference....im hoping antelope is just as high end....
Appreciate the info.
I dont get how someone can use an a/d converter WITH an audio interface when the interface already has it..... EXample: you record something, signal leaves compressor goes into a/d converter and then into interface (which already has converters!!??) unless you need a particular type of interface?
If you go line in into your interface you are using the interfaces A/D. If your using a standalone A/D converter, that would connect to your interface by spidf. Then the signal, say a vocal, would go mic - compressor - A/D, spidf out of the A/D to spidf in on the interface. Because its going spidf, which is digital, it stays digital after leaving the A/D going into the interface.
Instead of lining the micpre to the converter, what happens when we line it in the audio interface converter? Is the preamp "useless" if we connect it to the audio interface preamp converter ?
You can go line into a converter on the interface, just make sure when your interface bypass the pres when connected by line level if your using a combo jack (XLR/TRS in one) Not all interfaces bypass the mic pres.
Very well-explained. Thanks for the clarification.
Your voice is acoustic, a microphone is analog representation of acoustic and inside your computer digital conversation of analog representation of acoustic voice. Misunderstanding the basics always misleads you to wrong way.
Thank you!!!
Nice!
How you convert AOC to ADC?
I keep hearing how important it is to treat the room yet I hear your voice bouncing around the whole room 😂😂
+Joe Bills room treatment is important. The reason you hear room reflections is because the part of the room where the mic is attached to the camera is not treated and the part of the room behind me is, which is where I mix at.
You could speed up ppl got it.
So in other words a Audio interface?
No.
Hello Bro, this is James a music producer. Kindly send your email id , I need to discuss something about you. I am producing some rock blue kind of track and I want vocals should get treated by analog hardware but I don't have any analog hardware I do all ITB. Ll you process vocal with you analog gears ? I'll pay you. Tell me the charge for one Vocal track analog processing ?
+James Zadhav email me through my website. Can't post links in UA-cam comments
bruh sweatin.
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why is it when ever an america is explaining something on you tube half the video is a fucking unnecessary pre amble causing me to loss the will to live..get to the point ffs