This video truly shows how broken the ISU judging system is. Two double axels VASTLY different in quality yet only a mere 0.29 difference in points. I have no idea how THREE judges gave Evgenia +2 for such a poorly done axel. EVEN zero GOE is lenient for that poorly done axel.
Yuna is a legend but i dont think we have to disparage Evgenia for that. MAYBE you are right and the ISU judging system is not fair, but on the other hand this kind of videos show us how specific skater is over+scored and thus the purpose of this video is perplexed.
It is just clear as day. The wrong technique shows the extra thrust and effort needed to pull of the jump (Evgenia). Using the correct technique, the jump looks effortless (Yuna).
Evgenia is the champion that has the poorest and worst jumping technique! Feel sorry for ISU specially for constantly putting its integrity into trash. Such a shame! So, don't ever compare EM to Yuna, because Yuna is by far way superior than her.
I never knew who was the skater I watched some years ago that was really smooth while landing her jumps, bc I always thought something was off with most female skaters. Now after all these videos, I'm starting to realise it was Yuna
@@erisl7057 Sadly she's went back to Eteri, ( www.olympicchannel.com/en/stories/news/detail/evgenia-medvedeva-rejoins-eteri-tutberidze-camp-ahead-of-new-season/) and I believe has some health concerns. Hopefully she can make a comeback, but so many of the Eteri 'one hit wonders' seem to disappear after their first couple of seasons.
Positive GOEs for a jump with wobbly and poor trajectory. Awful hand position, poor ice-coverage and ungainly air position. Everything awful = poor technique that is unfairly rewarded.
You’re all correct for saying Medvedeva is over scored for poor jumping technique but you guys are WAY too hateful towards her. She has no say in the scores she gets and seems like a genuinely sweet person. Her programs, jumping aside, actually have some really beautiful moments. Blame the ISU blatantly over-scoring Russian (Eteri’s) skaters for easy money
You’re exactly right. Although I didn’t enjoy either Zagitova or Medvedeva’s programs in the 2018 Olympics, Medvedeva seems like a genuine person. At least she tried to work on her technique while she was at Orser’s
Koola always compares the elements, taking a successful element of Yuna and element with an error of Medvedeva (preferring one unseccessful to many successful ones). It would be right to take the best performance of elements of the both ladies
The point of this video isn't to comare both ladies at their best to decide who jumps better or whatever. It's about a similar score applied to this axels very different in quality to show how inflated the system became.
Ina Bauer slows down a skater’s speed needed for the projection of the jump so they have little momentum to swing high and fast to complete the rotations
I don't want to see comparing Yuna to other skaters these days. Yuna retired 3 years ago. It would be better if you compare Med and other skaters who compete with her now. Yuna is legend, and Med is not yet. We can talk about two skaters after Med will be retired, not now. 아직 현역이고 레전드급도 아닌 애랑 연아랑 비교하지 맙시다. 김연아 선수도 별로 좋아하진 않을 것 같아요. 오히려 메뎁이랑 비교하니까 연아 선수를 욕하는 사람도 있네요. 연아 얼굴에 먹칠하지 않았으면 좋겠습니다.
Evgenia MEDVEDEVA is holding world record points. I think she is a legend now. I love Yuna Kim but she is retire. High mountains also have higher mountains.
Lê Thị Thanh Huyền You missed the point of this video... its trying to tell you how the scores are not judged properly anymore. The world record today is rigged by the judges! Evgenia's score is currently the highest but she is NOT a legend.
On me, they are both good and Eugene still has a lot of time for perfection! Maybe later they will approve and allow women to perform 3-3-3 cascades and 4 turns of jumps!
Please stop dissing them! It's a sport and art, all hate that you show outrages the skaters and figure skating! Why can't we love them both? I'm sure they're both feel tired of all that hate and comparing system.
I don't think so. The uploader doesn't hate any of them, but only advocates that scoring must be strict and fair under the comparing system. It is not a kind of gala shows but sports. SPORTS!!!!
Yuna is the queen of Jump and step sequance. But Yuna kim is retire. Evgenia MEDVEDEVA is good too. I like Yuna kim than her, but you need stop make those videos. I just find you funny and childish.
Lê Thị Thanh Huyền Should it really matter that Yuna is retired? Her jumps were textbook, so if another skater comes and breaks her records with awful technique, pre-rotations, wrong eges ect. then I feel that it's only right to compare them. Yuna was an amazing skater with great technique, was a world record holder; if you want someone to compare other skaters to, then Yuna is a perfect example.
I want to think that people doings things like this must have been part of the reason why Yuna retired early. It must put a lot of pressure if you're constantly being compared to others skaters, even ones you never even competed against.
I prefer Evgenias. It’s higher, tano and the entry is more difficult. She was entering with one foot in split, Yuna had both on the ice. Speaking about messy landing - you have chosen this specific jump on purpose. Evgenia has a lot of great landings.
Because it is totally easier to do a Y spiral over an Ina Bauer. So Y spirals are harder than spread eagles? In Y spiral, the legs aren't far apart and you still have to step into up. Ina Bauer and Spread Eagles you have to bring the furthest back leg to strike the ice to jump. Why Ina Bauer and Spread Eagles are considered difficult entries is because the legs should be elegantly streched away from each other which means extra energy is used to bring the furthest back leg forward and takes extra edge control in both legs. And just because you tano your jumps doesn't mean your jumps are elegant. Nor ripponing them.
@@sarikachahal6188 Y entrance in jump is more difficult because the leg you are to land on is tired, due to standing only on it for a long time. Also you have to hold balance during Y , so if you lose it - you will lose the whole jump. I believe Ina Bauer requires less balance, at least you have two legs on ice. Speaking about tano - its not about elegance - its about difficulty of the jump. And also you’re to jump higher. This isn’t the best Evgenias attempt, landing was harsh, she did better many times and more smooth
@@sarikachahal6188 Medvedeva is also more artistic. Watching her program (for ex 9/11) is like watching a little story. So she gets great second marks for it. Yuna is impressive , great athlete, but Evgenia has something from old school figure skating. But it’s only my humble opinion )) I think it’s harder to be an actress and an athlete at the same time...
@ I find your lack of faith disturbing What do you mean Y-Spiral is harder? Ina Bauer is so much harder because the left foot does not touch down to step before the jump meaning there is nearly no momentum to help the jump and requires full body assistance where as in the y-spiral, the left foot steps down giving an extra push. If you’ve tried both jumps before in both these positions you would know which is harder. Furthermore, for Ina Bauer, you have to readjust your body positioning on the ice to jump and your body feels like it is twisting
If tano jump is the most technically important for the STANDARD of judging system, i agree with you! BUT THAT IS NOT!!!!!! FIGURESKATING IS NOT SPORTS OR ART ANYMORE. IT IS JUST A GAME.
Yuna's grace is incomparable. Truly, she's so special and rare.
This video truly shows how broken the ISU judging system is. Two double axels VASTLY different in quality yet only a mere 0.29 difference in points. I have no idea how THREE judges gave Evgenia +2 for such a poorly done axel. EVEN zero GOE is lenient for that poorly done axel.
Yuna is a legend but i dont think we have to disparage Evgenia for that. MAYBE you are right and the ISU judging system is not fair, but on the other hand this kind of videos show us how specific skater is over+scored and thus the purpose of this video is perplexed.
It is just clear as day. The wrong technique shows the extra thrust and effort needed to pull of the jump (Evgenia). Using the correct technique, the jump looks effortless (Yuna).
Evgenia is the champion that has the poorest and worst jumping technique! Feel sorry for ISU specially for constantly putting its integrity into trash. Such a shame! So, don't ever compare EM to Yuna, because Yuna is by far way superior than her.
entry : both jumpes are diffcult
but yuna's axel's distance is farther and landing is smoother.
I never knew who was the skater I watched some years ago that was really smooth while landing her jumps, bc I always thought something was off with most female skaters. Now after all these videos, I'm starting to realise it was Yuna
In figure skating the young generation should be better than the previous generation of skaters, but in figure skating it is other way around.
Of the female skaters, there are still no skater who can follow yuna's jump, artistry n expression
even in the last championship too
Kim has no artisty. No one can compare in artisty and grace to Medvedeva.
@@marinav.4440 Medvedeva programs with Daniel were horrible and so were the jumps she learned from eteri
that axel performed by Medvedeva here was one of the ugliest I've ever seen
YES
Her axel looked ... sideways.
Evgenia is training with Brian and trying to fix all her incorrect techniques. At least she's brave enough to start over again.
Yes i saw it, she's improve with her double axel, more confident now
@@erisl7057 Sadly she's went back to Eteri, ( www.olympicchannel.com/en/stories/news/detail/evgenia-medvedeva-rejoins-eteri-tutberidze-camp-ahead-of-new-season/) and I believe has some health concerns. Hopefully she can make a comeback, but so many of the Eteri 'one hit wonders' seem to disappear after their first couple of seasons.
Positive GOEs for a jump with wobbly and poor trajectory. Awful hand position, poor ice-coverage and ungainly air position. Everything awful = poor technique that is unfairly rewarded.
You’re all correct for saying Medvedeva is over scored for poor jumping technique but you guys are WAY too hateful towards her. She has no say in the scores she gets and seems like a genuinely sweet person. Her programs, jumping aside, actually have some really beautiful moments. Blame the ISU blatantly over-scoring Russian (Eteri’s) skaters for easy money
You’re exactly right. Although I didn’t enjoy either Zagitova or Medvedeva’s programs in the 2018 Olympics, Medvedeva seems like a genuine person. At least she tried to work on her technique while she was at Orser’s
우리연아하고는 그누구도 비교대상이 안돼요.. 연아야 정말 수고했다.. 그런데 지금도 보고싶으니 어쩌니... 제발 우리나라 꿈나무 많이 키워다오...
Tbh ISU is the creator of Figure Sktaing and the Doom of Figure Skating XD
Koola always compares the elements, taking a successful element of Yuna and element with an error of Medvedeva (preferring one unseccessful to many successful ones).
It would be right to take the best performance of elements of the both ladies
The point of this video isn't to comare both ladies at their best to decide who jumps better or whatever.
It's about a similar score applied to this axels very different in quality to show how inflated the system became.
Sorry, Yuna's 2A never failed.
Stay bitter, russians.
This is what is ruining this beautiful sports, figure skating by Russian power. Stay ashamed and bitter, Russians!
How is Medvedeva's entry "easy"? Beautiful jump by Yuna Kim though, from start to finish. Both skaters are fantastic.
because it's much easier to enter this jump from this position
Well Ina Bauer is one the most difficult axel entries, that's why lol
Ina Bauer slows down a skater’s speed needed for the projection of the jump so they have little momentum to swing high and fast to complete the rotations
@@cocamila A full forward extension of the leg before jumping is also very hard...
I don't want to see comparing Yuna to other skaters these days. Yuna retired 3 years ago. It would be better if you compare Med and other skaters who compete with her now. Yuna is legend, and Med is not yet. We can talk about two skaters after Med will be retired, not now.
아직 현역이고 레전드급도 아닌 애랑 연아랑 비교하지 맙시다. 김연아 선수도 별로 좋아하진 않을 것 같아요. 오히려 메뎁이랑 비교하니까 연아 선수를 욕하는 사람도 있네요. 연아 얼굴에 먹칠하지 않았으면 좋겠습니다.
Evgenia MEDVEDEVA is holding world record points. I think she is a legend now. I love Yuna Kim but she is retire. High mountains also have higher mountains.
Why not compare her with the previous holder of the world record? It’s to show the difference in quality. (Which Yuna has).
Lê Thị Thanh Huyền You missed the point of this video... its trying to tell you how the scores are not judged properly anymore. The world record today is rigged by the judges! Evgenia's score is currently the highest but she is NOT a legend.
저만 이렇게 비교하는 영상 싫나요. 왜 연아는 누구랑 매번 비교당해야해요.. 연아는 이런 영상 없어도 혼자 충분히 빛나는 사람입니다.
moonriver _ 김연아 점프는 정직한 교과서 점프, 그리고 완벽한 자세와 비교를 해야 사람들이 정확하게 알기 때문에 라고 생각해요!! 그만큼 김연아는 대단한 인물이라는 의미 아닐까요?
moonriver _ 이렇게 비교 안하면 공격적이라고 더 잘 한다고 착각하는 러시아인을 비롯한 메드베데바 팬들이 있거든요
누가더 잘하고 나쁘고가 아니라 ㅋ 틀린오답을 해답지보고 채점한다 라고 생각하시면 되요ㅋㅋ
On me, they are both good and Eugene still has a lot of time for perfection! Maybe later they will approve and allow women to perform 3-3-3 cascades and 4 turns of jumps!
If you mean quadruple jumps they are allowed. Just no one can do them. (Some juniors started training them tho).
Then forget the basics of skating , ruin it's artistry and just jumps and jumps the wrong way.. That would be great right?
Can you believe girls actually landed quads already?? But they cannot do it without prerotating it. 3.5 revolutions max
김연아가 최고다 ~ 소치 2014년 금메달은 러시아에 뺏겼다 ~ 두고 두고 봐도 속상하지만 우리나라에서 김연아라는 선수가 (피겨 불모지에서 )나온것만으로도 너무 감사하다 ~무는 이 영상 올려주신 분께 감사드려요❤️
Medvedeva is a goddess! Here she is a child still learning. But obviously she is genius while Kim is just a good skater.
Please stop dissing them! It's a sport and art, all hate that you show outrages the skaters and figure skating! Why can't we love them both? I'm sure they're both feel tired of all that hate and comparing system.
Lara odabaş because idk maybe she shouldn't be breaking world records with incorrect jumping techniques?
Evgenia is just the perfect example to show corruption in the judging system.
I don't think so. The uploader doesn't hate any of them, but only advocates that scoring must be strict and fair under the comparing system. It is not a kind of gala shows but sports. SPORTS!!!!
확인사살 영상이군요
拍攝角度不同罷了你說她是錯誤就誤導她錯誤，Yuna跌倒次數比起medvedeva 來的多，最後腿傷無法繼續滑冰而退出滑冰。
Yuna had more senior seasons than Evgenia so guess who quit and who retired at her best
I can't see this video???? It only me ,what happens.
It should work. Maybe try reloading. Let me know if it still doesn't work!
+Koola King
Please re-upload and my request compare PSC yuna 2014 OG vs Medvedeva 2017 WC .
Are you viewing this on a mobile phone?
+Koola King Yes,I'm watch on iPhone
It should work on a computer.
Why did you take a bad Axel of evgenia and a good 1 for yuna
Frankiz Thor because yuna never had a bad axel and evgenia got 80marks with this axel
Good thing she has changed her axel technique now it looks awesome!!
The beginning = The ending
Yuna Kim is eternal coz she is a true champion. Sotnikova and Medvedeva who are overscored are ephemeral and thus, not true champions are ephemeral.
How is this a fair comparison if you chose to analyze one of Evgenia’s worse 2As 😭
キムヨナ イーグルからのジャンプ イーグルが正確に出来てないから仕方ないよね
both leaning forward, bad landing.
Yuna is the queen of Jump and step sequance. But Yuna kim is retire. Evgenia MEDVEDEVA is good too. I like Yuna kim than her, but you need stop make those videos. I just find you funny and childish.
if you don't like this clip then just ignore and no need to watch. simple and easy mate.
i don't like this clip, but i like Yuna, i find all clip about her. But this clip is very stupied :)))))).... and Yuna's fan is crazy too :))))
Yuna Kim is the previous world record holder. And all of sudden Evgenia with improper technique broke it? She must be even better than Evgenia, right?
Lê Thị Thanh Huyền Should it really matter that Yuna is retired? Her jumps were textbook, so if another skater comes and breaks her records with awful technique, pre-rotations, wrong eges ect. then I feel that it's only right to compare them. Yuna was an amazing skater with great technique, was a world record holder; if you want someone to compare other skaters to, then Yuna is a perfect example.
Lê Thị Thanh Huyền Medvedeva is good too? Realy? У Medvedevoy arm была поднята и поэтому jump сложнее
I want to think that people doings things like this must have been part of the reason why Yuna retired early. It must put a lot of pressure if you're constantly being compared to others skaters, even ones you never even competed against.
paola reyes your statement makes no sense.
Lol she retired, so... why would comparing her now create pressure?
Юна конечно то же очень хороша, но чего то она не договариваться в своих выступлениях...
아니근데비교할거면 연아도타노랑하는게맞지않나 왜일반점프랑..
너무 주관적인 영상 인거 같음.. 일반점프랑 타노비교에다가, 메뎁 랜딩도 불안한거 쓰시구 ㅜ
악셀 뛰기 전 이나 바우어 하고 들어가니 비교할 만한 거 같아요. 이나 바우어를 하면 속도가 줄어들기 때문에 점프 뛰기 더 어렵습니다.
@@hyun2547 불안한 랜딩인데도 가산점을 그렇게 받았다는 게 불공정하다는 걸 연아 선수를 통해 보여주려고 한 게 아닐까요
@@hyun2547 아닌데
피알못
I prefer Evgenias. It’s higher, tano and the entry is more difficult. She was entering with one foot in split, Yuna had both on the ice. Speaking about messy landing - you have chosen this specific jump on purpose. Evgenia has a lot of great landings.
Because it is totally easier to do a Y spiral over an Ina Bauer. So Y spirals are harder than spread eagles? In Y spiral, the legs aren't far apart and you still have to step into up. Ina Bauer and Spread Eagles you have to bring the furthest back leg to strike the ice to jump. Why Ina Bauer and Spread Eagles are considered difficult entries is because the legs should be elegantly streched away from each other which means extra energy is used to bring the furthest back leg forward and takes extra edge control in both legs.
And just because you tano your jumps doesn't mean your jumps are elegant. Nor ripponing them.
@@sarikachahal6188 Y entrance in jump is more difficult because the leg you are to land on is tired, due to standing only on it for a long time. Also you have to hold balance during Y , so if you lose it - you will lose the whole jump. I believe Ina Bauer requires less balance, at least you have two legs on ice. Speaking about tano - its not about elegance - its about difficulty of the jump. And also you’re to jump higher. This isn’t the best Evgenias attempt, landing was harsh, she did better many times and more smooth
@@sarikachahal6188 Medvedeva is also more artistic. Watching her program (for ex 9/11) is like watching a little story. So she gets great second marks for it. Yuna is impressive , great athlete, but Evgenia has something from old school figure skating. But it’s only my humble opinion )) I think it’s harder to be an actress and an athlete at the same time...
@ I find your lack of faith disturbing
What do you mean Y-Spiral is harder? Ina Bauer is so much harder because the left foot does not touch down to step before the jump meaning there is nearly no momentum to help the jump and requires full body assistance where as in the y-spiral, the left foot steps down giving an extra push. If you’ve tried both jumps before in both these positions you would know which is harder. Furthermore, for Ina Bauer, you have to readjust your body positioning on the ice to jump and your body feels like it is twisting
@@ifindyourlackoffaithdistur2840 You are delusional, lol
Evgenia is the new queen of female figure skating. Do not despise her, she's really the best. Kim Yuonaa was the best before
No. Yuna will be queen forever.
Yuna wouldn't be the best forever, but she will be for a LONG time.
Evgenia❤
Blind
Medvedeva better!!!
The delusion is intense.
Александр Кириллов that's ur wish^^
If tano jump is the most technically important for the STANDARD of judging system, i agree with you!
BUT THAT IS NOT!!!!!!
FIGURESKATING IS NOT SPORTS OR ART ANYMORE.
IT IS JUST A GAME.
lol...you have no idea... just because you are a russian. lmao
Nice Joke
I like your sense of humor
Now youre just being petty
Lena with a Box sweetheart, she’s showing the difference in quality
Bebe i know theres a difference in quality, but this account has shown that difference already a lit if times. It kinda is unnecessary now