I added a second motor on one ebike for climbing steep hills. It is heavy but works great. The speed is essentially the same as the single motor but it can do it on steeper hills.
Ha ha. Where I live in Arizona, all ebikes and electric motorcycles are considered bicycles. As it should be. I no longer drive and ride my 3 ebikes daily. In my small town, there's a handful of ebikes, and they don't sell them here.
@ I want to try “the Ring” path around Tucson someday. My brother lives there, but most of the time we fly to visit. Gotta take my car and bring the bike !
I’am going with the Radio Silence approach while riding my class 3 bike . Not drawing any attention to the way I ride and not pissing off anybody around me . Oh come to think about that’s how I also ride ,so nothing to see here , keep it moving folks .
i would say they left it a grey area. each wheel is putting out the same watts and its giving the bike the same speed. alternatively you could use a nice singe wheeled bicycle trailer with a 1000 watt motor on it and a long throttle cable and it would be legal because its not part of the bike and there are no laws for it.
The law states an ebike as a bicycle with fully operational pedals and AN electric motor under 750 watts. The key word is "an" which implies one motor. Otherwise it would say electric motorS under 750 watts.
I'll be working around all these laws by towing a single wheeled bicycle trailer with a 1kw motor on its wheel. stick it to the man. dual 750 watters look like a gray area. they put out the same power each wheel and only give you one or two mph extra most times and if there's nothing saying no then......... who can enforce it? The logic seems the same with combining a 750 watt mid drive with a 750 watt front wheel or rear wheel drive i would assume.
I'm an 81 yo former bicyclist and current ebike rider. Simply defined, bicycle is a two wheel vehicle that has pedals and is powered by a cyclist. A moped is a two wheel vehicle that has a pedals and powered by a specific size motor. The motor propels the moped. A motorcycle doesn't have pedals but has foot pegs and powered by a motor larger than a moped motor. Ebikes are vehicles that have pedals and are powered by electric motor(s). The ebike cyclist assists the motor. If the ebike electric motor(s) produces power equal to or less than a moped's gasoline motor, it's a moped with an electric motor(s). It should follow the laws and regulations that pertain to mopeds. If the ebike electric motor(s) creates power greater than a moped motor, it's a motor cycle and it has pedals that are used as foot pegs. It should follow the laws that pertain to motorcycles.
I just recently purchased a dual 1000w motor/dual 20ah battery /52v / 38mph twist throttle bike from Alibaba.. But thankfully I don't live in California, Oregon, New York, etc😅
I have a question. I own a walkie H7 dual motor. I live in Florida, but I’m also an OTR truck driver where I drive all 48 states. I have my bike mounted on the back of my catwalk of my cab and I like to get out and ride it whenever I’m on downtime with all these states implement different rules, I’m a little concerned because what’s legal in my state may not be legal where I’m at and it’s really hard to keep up with it. So I register my bike in Florida as a low powered moped and I get a little Florida license plate for it does that make it legal to ride in all 48 states because it’s registered and I have insurance on it? or California or Oregon still say nope sorry it’s illegal here
Dual motors don't make the ebike go any faster so why would they be "illegal". If the law is ambiguous than the citizen's interpretation must be accepted. Any ambiguity must be to the disadvantage of those creating any ambiguity.
This would make my moped style e-bike illegal then. I have a throttle, goes 30 mph, and has a 1000 watt moror. Good thing I don't live where it's illegal. Otherwise I would be breaking the law, because I won't quit riding it!
No disrespect but I grow uncomfortable with the Terms “Legal or Illegal when speaking of electric bikes…I mean it’s not cocaine or heroin we’re speaking of lol. For context let’s say I have an electric bike that’s capable of going 45 mph but I only ride it going 15 mph is it still illegal? Or is it only illegal if I ride it 45 mph? Lol. The conversation is getting out of control IMO
If you read the "model legislation" that most of the States have already adopted, dual motors do not meet the definition of an ebike. Neither does a working throttle on a "class 3" ebike. That's ALREADY the law. So I have been breaking the "law" since I bought my bike in 2022. You know what's funny? I commute to work on it frequently, and ride right through downtown making a left turn directly in front of police headquarters. No cop has ever bothered me other than to say "hey, that's a nice bike!"
@alanb76 In most States, the law is as follows: Class 3: eBikes that are pedal-assist only, with no throttle, and a maximum assisted speed of 28 mph. The law in my State is worded differently, but says the same thing: "The manufacturer shall manufacture all class 1 electric bicycles and class 3 electric bicycles so that when the rider ceases pedaling the electric motor ceases to provide assistance. The manufacturer shall manufacture all class 2 electric bicycles so that when the rider applies the brakes or releases or activates a switch or similar mechanism the electric motor ceases to provide assistance."
I think they would be illegal under the rules. Even if having two motors isn’t expressly illegal (which I think the argument is stronger it is illegal than it’s not) I’ve never seen a dual motor ebike that isn’t way more powerful than 750W combined. Every state I’m aware of caps it to 750W or 1,000W in a couple of cases. I can’t think of a dual motor ebike that doesn’t exceed both of those.
@ I don’t really think of it as a harshness thing. Where I sort of shake my head in the process is people seem to have this thinking where stuff is either an ebike, or it’s illegal. I think there should be e-bikes that have limits and responsibilities increase as the device gets faster. I hear you on the dual motor thing, but generally speaking higher power correlates with faster. Not perfectly, but dual 750W e-bikes are faster than single motor 750W e-bikes. For me, if stuff goes higher speed where they are really out there mixing with road traffic, it doesn’t seem unreasonable they’d have a license plate.
Lets face it....If a 50cc gasoline powered motorcycle with a top speed of 28 mph is required to be licensed and insured, then our 750 watt, electric powered Ebike with a top speed of 28 mph should also be licensed and insured as required by law. The real motorcyclist, have been required to purchase permits, license plates, helmets and insurance for many years. Real motorcyclist, had to endure people saying that "MOTORCYCLES ARE DANGEROUS", and "MOTORCYCLIST SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO WEAR HELMETS". And so here we Ebikers are! We are crying fowl because we can not ride OUR Ebikes on the public streets, without being licensed, insured, and wearing a helmet! The time has come, for us law abiding Ebikers, to stick together, put our big boy pants on, and consider protesting by speeding at 30 mph. Perhaps we could all get tattoos, sport black leather jacket's with gang affiliation patch's, and form a nation wide Ebiker club here in America! They say there is strength in numbers.... Perhaps only then, will we see a huge increase of rebel outlaw Ebikers.... fleeing, eluding, popping wheelies, and attempting to out run the law at 30 mph, while filming a UA-cam video. By doing so, we would advoid tickets, legal fee's, court dates, and getting our Chinese Ebikes impounded. If we all stick together, we can change these silly rules! EBIKERS UNITE.
those 50cc bikes usually just need a one time registration for the life of the entire bike in many states. no insurance or turn signals or anything are required on them.
Your working to hard to make it a bicycle. Just register it as an electric motor cycle and have fun with it. Ride the roads and go where dirt bikers ride...
I added a second motor on one ebike for climbing steep hills. It is heavy but works great. The speed is essentially the same as the single motor but it can do it on steeper hills.
Dual-Motor really aids in hill climbing.
They better be legal, I just bought one ! 💪🏼
Awesome!
Ha ha. Where I live in
Arizona, all ebikes and electric motorcycles are considered bicycles. As it should be. I no longer drive and ride my 3 ebikes daily. In my small town, there's a handful of ebikes, and they don't sell them here.
@ I want to try “the Ring” path around Tucson someday. My brother lives there, but most of the time we fly to visit. Gotta take my car and bring the bike !
Here in British Columbia ebike regulations allow dual motors as long as they don't exceed 20mph and 500 watts total power.
I’am going with the Radio Silence approach while riding my class 3 bike .
Not drawing any attention to the way I ride and not pissing off anybody around me .
Oh come to think about that’s how I also ride ,so nothing to see here , keep it moving folks .
Enjoy the ride!
If you have 2 1000w motors. That will be illegal. Or 2 750w motors.
Why illegal?
2×1000= 2000w 750×2=1500
i would say they left it a grey area. each wheel is putting out the same watts and its giving the bike the same speed. alternatively you could use a nice singe wheeled bicycle trailer with a 1000 watt motor on it and a long throttle cable and it would be legal because its not part of the bike and there are no laws for it.
The law states an ebike as a bicycle with fully operational pedals and AN electric motor under 750 watts.
The key word is "an" which implies one motor.
Otherwise it would say electric motorS under 750 watts.
Oregon is 1,000 watts.
The rules don't mention number of motors.
I'll be working around all these laws by towing a single wheeled bicycle trailer with a 1kw motor on its wheel. stick it to the man. dual 750 watters look like a gray area. they put out the same power each wheel and only give you one or two mph extra most times and if there's nothing saying no then......... who can enforce it? The logic seems the same with combining a 750 watt mid drive with a 750 watt front wheel or rear wheel drive i would assume.
I'm an 81 yo former bicyclist and current ebike rider. Simply defined, bicycle is a two wheel vehicle that has pedals and is powered by a cyclist. A moped is a two wheel vehicle that has a pedals and powered by a specific size motor. The motor propels the moped. A motorcycle doesn't have pedals but has foot pegs and powered by a motor larger than a moped motor. Ebikes are vehicles that have pedals and are powered by electric motor(s). The ebike cyclist assists the motor. If the ebike electric motor(s) produces power equal to or less than a moped's gasoline motor, it's a moped with an electric motor(s). It should follow the laws and regulations that pertain to mopeds. If the ebike electric motor(s) creates power greater than a moped motor, it's a motor cycle and it has pedals that are used as foot pegs. It should follow the laws that pertain to motorcycles.
I just recently purchased a dual 1000w motor/dual 20ah battery /52v / 38mph twist throttle bike from Alibaba.. But thankfully I don't live in California, Oregon, New York, etc😅
You'll love the Dual-Motors.
@oregonebikermark8953 I'm sure I will, hanks. The front tire actually peels out when you give it full throttle 💪😁🤙
I have a question. I own a walkie H7 dual motor. I live in Florida, but I’m also an OTR truck driver where I drive all 48 states. I have my bike mounted on the back of my catwalk of my cab and I like to get out and ride it whenever I’m on downtime with all these states implement different rules, I’m a little concerned because what’s legal in my state may not be legal where I’m at and it’s really hard to keep up with it. So I register my bike in Florida as a low powered moped and I get a little Florida license plate for it does that make it legal to ride in all 48 states because it’s registered and I have insurance on it? or California or Oregon still say nope sorry it’s illegal here
Great question. Unfortunately I do not know. If it doesn't cover all states, does that mean you need plates etc. For each state? That would be crazy.
I believe that you will need to follow the rules in the state where you are riding, not where you are from.
Dual motors don't make the ebike go any faster so why would they be "illegal". If the law is ambiguous than the citizen's interpretation must be accepted. Any ambiguity must be to the disadvantage of those creating any ambiguity.
I was thinking as you on this.
This would make my moped style e-bike illegal then. I have a throttle, goes 30 mph, and has a 1000 watt moror. Good thing I don't live where it's illegal. Otherwise I would be breaking the law, because I won't quit riding it!
No disrespect but I grow uncomfortable with the Terms “Legal or Illegal when speaking of electric bikes…I mean it’s not cocaine or heroin we’re speaking of lol.
For context let’s say I have an electric bike that’s capable of going 45 mph but I only ride it going 15 mph is it still illegal? Or is it only illegal if I ride it 45 mph? Lol. The conversation is getting out of control IMO
Should I say yes sir nor sir? Lol
I don't think you want to hear the answer to the question you're asking.
Not sure there is an answer.
I'm not sure if it's legal or not, I have one here in Canada and love it
They are great.
If you read the "model legislation" that most of the States have already adopted, dual motors do not meet the definition of an ebike. Neither does a working throttle on a "class 3" ebike. That's ALREADY the law. So I have been breaking the "law" since I bought my bike in 2022. You know what's funny? I commute to work on it frequently, and ride right through downtown making a left turn directly in front of police headquarters. No cop has ever bothered me other than to say "hey, that's a nice bike!"
Awesome!
The law doesn't mention throttles on class III. It only says pedaling is required.
@alanb76 In most States, the law is as follows:
Class 3: eBikes that are pedal-assist only, with no throttle, and a maximum assisted speed of 28 mph. The law in my State is worded differently, but says the same thing:
"The manufacturer shall manufacture all class 1 electric bicycles and class 3 electric bicycles so that when the rider ceases pedaling the electric motor ceases to provide assistance. The manufacturer shall manufacture all class 2 electric bicycles so that when the rider applies the brakes or releases or activates a switch or similar mechanism the electric motor ceases to provide assistance."
I think they would be illegal under the rules. Even if having two motors isn’t expressly illegal (which I think the argument is stronger it is illegal than it’s not) I’ve never seen a dual motor ebike that isn’t way more powerful than 750W combined. Every state I’m aware of caps it to 750W or 1,000W in a couple of cases. I can’t think of a dual motor ebike that doesn’t exceed both of those.
The law should be more harsh on speed than power. Power is great for hills.
@ I don’t really think of it as a harshness thing. Where I sort of shake my head in the process is people seem to have this thinking where stuff is either an ebike, or it’s illegal. I think there should be e-bikes that have limits and responsibilities increase as the device gets faster. I hear you on the dual motor thing, but generally speaking higher power correlates with faster. Not perfectly, but dual 750W e-bikes are faster than single motor 750W e-bikes. For me, if stuff goes higher speed where they are really out there mixing with road traffic, it doesn’t seem unreasonable they’d have a license plate.
Lets face it....If a 50cc gasoline powered motorcycle with a top speed of 28 mph is required to be licensed and insured, then our 750 watt, electric powered Ebike with a top speed of 28 mph should also be licensed and insured as required by law. The real motorcyclist, have been required to purchase permits, license plates, helmets and insurance for many years. Real motorcyclist, had to endure people saying that "MOTORCYCLES ARE DANGEROUS", and "MOTORCYCLIST SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO WEAR HELMETS". And so here we Ebikers are! We are crying fowl because we can not ride OUR Ebikes on the public streets, without being licensed, insured, and wearing a helmet! The time has come, for us law abiding Ebikers, to stick together, put our big boy pants on, and consider protesting by speeding at 30 mph. Perhaps we could all get tattoos, sport black leather jacket's with gang affiliation patch's, and form a nation wide Ebiker club here in America! They say there is strength in numbers.... Perhaps only then, will we see a huge increase of rebel outlaw Ebikers.... fleeing, eluding, popping wheelies, and attempting to out run the law at 30 mph, while filming a UA-cam video. By doing so, we would advoid tickets, legal fee's, court dates, and getting our Chinese Ebikes impounded. If we all stick together, we can change these silly rules! EBIKERS UNITE.
If we played, insure etc. We would want to ride faster and not in a debris filled bikelane.
those 50cc bikes usually just need a one time registration for the life of the entire bike in many states. no insurance or turn signals or anything are required on them.
@ Plates and insurance would allow us to ride on the street.
Your working to hard to make it a bicycle. Just register it as an electric motor cycle and have fun with it. Ride the roads and go where dirt bikers ride...
Not sure I can.