"i used to reach for an eq to fix my problems. now i reach for a compressor to do the same thing (or think of what piece of gear to run signal through)". that's pure gold, right there. that's how you know the guy knows what he's talking about. and the volumes are all so right. the web is full of "coaches" who drive the signal through this thing, reading its dbfs meter like a dbu meter.
1:47 What he is referring to here is not compression, but emulated transformer and/or tube saturation. This is where the harmonic excitement comes from, and why the NLS is useful.
I found, by accident, that if one select either a knob or a fader and hold "shift" (Windows), you can select all the knobs or faders you want and link them. You can link the first and the fourth or whatever combination you desire. Do not know what good or bad this can be, but, is available. I'm just learning here.
I use this plug as well and it does some pretty dramatic things. It can be subtle and it can be aggressive, so it sort of allows you to pick your poison.
I bought it recently, red the manual and played a bit with it. Being fairly new to mixing I have so many questions on how it works exactly. Does it completely remodel the sound on your tracks or it just ads to them? Do I need to put a bus instance on my drum bus or this instance is just for the masterbus? Before my masterbus I have a submix bus, can I put the masterbus version on the submix instead of the masterbus? Sorry if those are badly formulated noobs questions, just trying to fully understand how to get the best out of it.
Yeah, the processed version does have more weight but it loses abit of the sparkle that your original has. Also, i feel that the stereo image of the processed version sounds abit more narrow. Listening on headphones. Thx for this vid !
Hi Alfie, in the analog world, VCA is an acronym for Voltage Controlled Amplifier. On many analog consoles, there is a physical distance between channels that makes it difficult to move them simultaneously. Therefore, many consoles are equipped with VCA group faders which are used to control the output amplifiers of multiple channels. In the NLS plugin, VCA stands for Virtual Control Aggregator which, similar to its analog counterpart, provides simultaneous control over multiple NLS Channel instances. Each NLS instance must be assigned, from within its GUI, to a VCA Group. VCA Group Consoles do not process your signal in any way; rather, they serve as remote control surfaces for groups of NLS instances. For more information please see the user guide for the NLS: www.waves.com/1lib/pdf/plugins/nls-non-linear-summer.pdf
@@waves thanks for the quick answer. forgive me if I am being slow with this! I love the sounds I am getting from the plugin. I am confused when I am using this though. eg - if I have the bus open and I turn the VCA group knob to group 2, then the console selected for group 2 then appears in the bus - now - is this console colouring everything coming to the bus or just the group? If I then turn the bus drive up whilst group 2 is selected, it affects every group coming to the bus - not just the group selected by the VCA group knob. In every video I have watched, no one has touched this knob and I am unsure of it's purpose and don't want to be using it incorrectly. thanks again
You can't talk over audio examples and have the song ducking under your speech and expect to have a good sound demo. Remember, this is for audio engineers, we all know how to do this and the voice to music in the video is poorly mixed.
From the manual: The EMI TG12345 Mk 4 desk owned by Mike Hedges (The Cure, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Dido, Faithless, Manic Street Preachers, U2), heard on such timeless recordings as Pink Floyd’s The Dark Side of the Moon.
yes great difference, but we don't see any loudness matching to have a correct compare between unprocessed and NLS processing, you know "louder is better "...The maximum numeber of Group channels is 24 ? Generally a good mix (as yours) can be helped by JUST ONE good compressor (analogue or very god vintage emulation) on the Master buss for a glue and saturation effect, while wit NLS the time to work would be more, but pratically would be the difference so rilevant ? Thanks much
I see this man with awesome and expensive gear and monitors mixing with plugins and headphones, and I feel like they want me to believe that this is how pros do, and therefore I should buy the plugins to mix with my headphones, just like a pro. I have a hard time believing that.
He's on headphones because the camera mic is recording him talk without interference from his speakers. Still there's something to be said about the fact that we're hearing a top-notch recorded drum track. This plugin won't save bad songs from being bad.
the reality in this new era of the music biz is this: there is far less money. budgets are so small compared to even 10 years ago. one thing mixing on a large console and outboard gear does is take more time. mostly because of setup and recall. most people these days expect to be able to mix a song, then come back weeks later and make small changes. this is now the norm. mixing in the box makes this possible. recalls on a large ssl with tons of outboard simply take a lot more time and time is money.
davdcl499 I heard even with my apple earbuds. You gotta really focus on it the differences are not going to jump out unless your looking for it. I had to learn this trick as well.
Thomas Edison said "The best amplifier is wire with gain." Here, they have succesfully modelled a piece of wire as I cannot hear any difference between the models. Its 10ths of a percent in certain frequency ranges and frankly I cannot be sure I haven't decided I'm hearing something that isn't really there.
@@toolondaboards such an expensive monitors and just to mix on headphones nah... you make just a little adjustments on headphones , use it for comparison purposes and primarily mix on monitors, especially people of his caliber
to be honest this plugin is really really good for saturation and colour it's just that he's not driving it enough for us to hear clearly hear. i can hear the very subtle differences but i see why you don't think its worth it. i use this plugin all the time though and it is highly recommended
superdertie Maybe that's it. He wasn't driving it hard enough. I can see it being useful for that, but to be honest, I rarely drive things into distortion with the styles of music I do.
"i used to reach for an eq to fix my problems. now i reach for a compressor to do the same thing (or think of what piece of gear to run signal through)". that's pure gold, right there. that's how you know the guy knows what he's talking about. and the volumes are all so right. the web is full of "coaches" who drive the signal through this thing, reading its dbfs meter like a dbu meter.
6:02 Can really feel the whole mix flattening out and sounding a hell of a lot better when you kick in the neve
That is an absolutely fantastic drum sound. Would really like to know how he got it.
1:47 What he is referring to here is not compression, but emulated transformer and/or tube saturation. This is where the harmonic excitement comes from, and why the NLS is useful.
Damn! That mix was diamond tier!
Mike preset always kills it 🔥 🔥
his room/barn sounds SO reverberant.. wow. I wonder how he manages to mix there..
His drums sound incredible.. I wonder how he recorded them
I felt the same
Definitely not with IPhone :)
He said they were recorded live in his barn. They do sound great!
Great drummer, who brought his awesome sounding kit, recorded awesomely, in an awesome sounding space, using great mics and placement.
I use this plug in and loved it every time especially when using VST drums and want them to sound live.
I found, by accident, that if one select either a knob or a fader and hold "shift" (Windows), you can select all the knobs or faders you want and link them. You can link the first and the fourth or whatever combination you desire. Do not know what good or bad this can be, but, is available. I'm just learning here.
I use this plug as well and it does some pretty dramatic things. It can be subtle and it can be aggressive, so it sort of allows you to pick your poison.
Thanks, Joe. I'm lovin the NLS too. Waves is on a roll. 🕶
that’s sweet! Three classic consoles in one plug!
Bella Ingalls Three summing mixers, not consoles!
Thanks Vince Vaughn, this helped alot.
Excellent video. I have that same desk. Love it.
Your barn reverb is cool
I bought it recently, red the manual and played a bit with it. Being fairly new to mixing I have so many questions on how it works exactly. Does it completely remodel the sound on your tracks or it just ads to them? Do I need to put a bus instance on my drum bus or this instance is just for the masterbus? Before my masterbus I have a submix bus, can I put the masterbus version on the submix instead of the masterbus? Sorry if those are badly formulated noobs questions, just trying to fully understand how to get the best out of it.
Why do you have the plugin at the end instead of the beginning of the chain?
great video, just 1 thing, im not sure i understand how the summing works, how do i emulate the console summing?
5:00 I hear the difference on DT-770 80ohms.. mid range gets a lil deeper and clearer.
Yeah, the processed version does have more weight but it loses abit of the sparkle that your original has.
Also, i feel that the stereo image of the processed version sounds abit more narrow.
Listening on headphones.
Thx for this vid !
WOW Having 3 Legendary Consoles, SSL, Neave and LMI(?)
8 VCA Groups, LOVE IT!!!
Will it run on Sony Vegas 12? (windows 7)
Oooppsss EMI :)
Great tute, thank you Joe.
Great video!
I don't get what the vca group knob is for in the bus plug in. is it just for monitoring and not controlling? it's very confusing
Hi Alfie, in the analog world, VCA is an acronym for Voltage Controlled Amplifier.
On many analog consoles, there is a physical distance between channels that makes it difficult to move them simultaneously. Therefore, many consoles are equipped with VCA group faders which are used to control the output amplifiers of multiple channels.
In the NLS plugin, VCA stands for Virtual Control Aggregator which, similar to its analog counterpart, provides simultaneous control over multiple NLS Channel instances. Each NLS instance must be assigned, from within its GUI, to a VCA Group.
VCA Group Consoles do not process your signal in any way; rather, they serve as
remote control surfaces for groups of NLS instances.
For more information please see the user guide for the NLS:
www.waves.com/1lib/pdf/plugins/nls-non-linear-summer.pdf
@@waves thanks for the quick answer. forgive me if I am being slow with this! I love the sounds I am getting from the plugin. I am confused when I am using this though. eg - if I have the bus open and I turn the VCA group knob to group 2, then the console selected for group 2 then appears in the bus - now - is this console colouring everything coming to the bus or just the group? If I then turn the bus drive up whilst group 2 is selected, it affects every group coming to the bus - not just the group selected by the VCA group knob. In every video I have watched, no one has touched this knob and I am unsure of it's purpose and don't want to be using it incorrectly. thanks again
You can't talk over audio examples and have the song ducking under your speech and expect to have a good sound demo. Remember, this is for audio engineers, we all know how to do this and the voice to music in the video is poorly mixed.
Who is MIKE on NLS-BUS
From the manual: The EMI TG12345 Mk 4 desk owned by Mike Hedges (The Cure, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Dido, Faithless, Manic Street Preachers, U2), heard on such
timeless recordings as Pink Floyd’s The Dark Side of the Moon.
@@virgilhughes7837 Thanks
great video, thanks. I thought the processing would be much more subtle but it was easy to hear the difference.
sometimes it sounded bigger with more stereo imagine, other times it just got louder
yes great difference, but we don't see any loudness matching to have a correct compare between unprocessed and NLS processing, you know "louder is better "...The maximum numeber of Group channels is 24 ? Generally a good mix (as yours) can be helped by JUST ONE good compressor (analogue or very god vintage emulation) on the Master buss for a glue and saturation effect, while wit NLS the time to work would be more, but pratically would be the difference so rilevant ?
Thanks much
i honestly dont hear the difference unless i Drive it at least to 6-12
Pressing the noise button give excessive distortion for me.
I see this man with awesome and expensive gear and monitors mixing with plugins and headphones, and I feel like they want me to believe that this is how pros do, and therefore I should buy the plugins to mix with my headphones, just like a pro. I have a hard time believing that.
He's on headphones because the camera mic is recording him talk without interference from his speakers. Still there's something to be said about the fact that we're hearing a top-notch recorded drum track. This plugin won't save bad songs from being bad.
the reality in this new era of the music biz is this: there is far less money. budgets are so small compared to even 10 years ago. one thing mixing on a large console and outboard gear does is take more time. mostly because of setup and recall. most people these days expect to be able to mix a song, then come back weeks later and make small changes. this is now the norm. mixing in the box makes this possible. recalls on a large ssl with tons of outboard simply take a lot more time and time is money.
welcome to the plugin era
Exactly, his mix is already top drawer, NLS is nothing more than a dash of seasoning for this guy!
I hear the difference!
Those Drums man....Jesus Christ!!
Original sounds better to me.
The Hell. I didn't hear any difference.
+davdcl499 ear training
Or better speakers. Better yet, try it at home, because youtube and lossy formatting and all, ya know.
davdcl499 maybe ear training!
davdcl499 I heard even with my apple earbuds. You gotta really focus on it the differences are not going to jump out unless your looking for it. I had to learn this trick as well.
LMFAO! I heard differences literally every time. Yeah, like everybody else said. Ear Training.
Thomas Edison said "The best amplifier is wire with gain." Here, they have succesfully modelled a piece of wire as I cannot hear any difference between the models. Its 10ths of a percent in certain frequency ranges and frankly I cannot be sure I haven't decided I'm hearing something that isn't really there.
good plugin, but nebula beats it in every way
i get alittel punch and wamth, whit this plugin!!! nothing big, just littelbit
No room treatment whatsoever. He is def not mixing there :D
@@toolondaboards such an expensive monitors and just to mix on headphones nah... you make just a little adjustments on headphones , use it for comparison purposes and primarily mix on monitors, especially people of his caliber
Listening on a pair of $700 Shure headphones, I hear no real difference. Nothing I'd pay for, for sure.
to be honest this plugin is really really good for saturation and colour it's just that he's not driving it enough for us to hear clearly hear. i can hear the very subtle differences but i see why you don't think its worth it. i use this plugin all the time though and it is highly recommended
superdertie
Maybe that's it. He wasn't driving it hard enough. I can see it being useful for that, but to be honest, I rarely drive things into distortion with the styles of music I do.
But you paid for shure.
Luiz Felipe Netto
I am not following you. Are you saying Shure makes bad stuff?
Michael L. Not at all, it was just the usual unfunny but obligatory shure /sure pun. Nevermind.
(the music consumer won't hear, won't care)
They don't know the details, but I have heard people say they like an album because the instruments "sound better". So, they care.