If Orji is going to be the QB the offense needs to be almost exclusively read option/RPO; if it’s going to be mostly conventional, Orji shouldn’t be the QB
I was ready to scream at wink for the constant man coverage and blitzing on the last Minnesota drive . He had been doing better the last couple games than he turns into don brown when it’s crunch time ? What?
I thought he made some nice throws and some nice NON THROWS that Warren would have gotten picked. That sideline pattern on third down in the Second quarter would have been a Warren pick 💯. There were several plays where the WR weren't getting separation and Orji ate it or picked up what he could. He also made SEVERAL crucial throws to keep drives alive. He'll make bad throws at times but who doesn't.
But it gives you insight on how they will perform against quality teams. If Michigan fans are happy at 9-3 then this is their team but if they want to have a playoff team that isn’t happening with this group of players & coaches.
I’m a die hard Michigan fan but this year’s team seems to think second half of play doesn’t exist. They just shut down and think about what girl they are going to meet a party.
You can tell when someone isn't really watching the game when they start talking about Alex Orji Right off the bat, when the defense seems to be a huge issue after the half, especially the last couple of games.
If the coordinators drop some plays and utilize him as he should be utilized, he'll be fine. That botch snap look like the center snapped it when the full back was crossing back.
Also …calling offsides on Minnesota for onside kick was bad ..but if you rewatch closely it looks like the ball hit a Minnesota player right before the 10 yard mark …which is a penalty . Everyone is up in arms and I get it ..but there WAS a penalty on the play. It just wasn’t offsides . Ref may have simply misspoke . It’s close but it’s there .
michigan has a second half problem and will have a season long problem unless things change in a big way. also the coaching is terrible on both offense and defense.
Team 144 finished like champs. Team 145 finished slow, can't stay w receivers on defense, come off blocks defend the run or pass in the 4th qtr. It looks a lot like a Don Brown defense in the 4th qtr when they are tired. 1st halves they played the same way. I guess caused they are all jacked w energy. OSU may put a hundred on us....sheer missery. I hope Sherone Moore kick's all their asses for not finishing. Go Blue!!!!!!
Do we have video footage of when the flag was thrown for the offsides penalty? Also the line judge is literally standing straight down the line and looking at the ball. I believe they're trained to look for any part of the ball being obscured. The one players hand looked to be right at the line at the time of contact from the kicker.
Mark start polishing off your ifs and buts Michigan will be playing tough defense for 4 quarters by the time they get to Columbus another Pleasant Valley saturday.
McCarthy only lost 1 game as a starter… in the playoffs. You CANNOT compare these dudes to JJ.. arm talent isn’t even close. And when Blake was in the backfield with him, he was undefeated.
@@philliplamay5923 I never said I was comparing the two, don't make assumptions. Orji improved a bit on his passing game and will continue to improve with more game experience. I didn't judge McCarthy in the MSU game when he came in and fumbled the ball, costing Michigan the game. I knew he was going to be a good quarterback. Michigan doesn't need a JJ level quarterback to win, a decent quarterback is all they need, and Orji will become that with more game reps.
@@Atwater20 I didn’t make assumptions.. it’s in writing. JJ was leagues better from the get go. That’s all I’m sayin. You cannot “compare “ AO’s early struggles with JJ’s. Both played spot duty before becoming starters, one was a rock star from his first play. Young, yes, but accurate and deadly when extending plays. AO isn’t that.
the Ohio State fan in this guy makes him extremely subjective and ignores other plays. There were questionable calls on both sides. Stop crying about it. The hands to the face call on Graham was questionable. The onside kick had a Minnesota player blocking before the ball went 10 yards and it SEEMED like one of their players touched it as well. The hail Mary before the half wasn't a catch. The ball hit the ground but it wasn't reviewed. Michigan almost lost a game they should've won because of obvious flaws on the field and the sidelines.
I’ve been a huge supporter of Michigan and that they would make a push toward normal, but I’m really leaning toward this being as bad the Iowa offense of the last 10 years. Thank god they are more talented. This offense looks TERRIBLE. I’m shocked they won the last two games.
Either go all in on Orji and play triple option/wildcat or go back to Davis Warren who is a much better thrower. Don’t play the Warren Offense with Orji. This is the worst of both worlds.
@@colinbell3374man I hear you …but Warren jusy gave the ball Up too much . What good is it if we have a few extra completions but give away 14 points or mroe every game with interceptions? They have to develop one of these gusu for the stretch ..but Warren took himself out of fhe runnigm with 6 picks and several of them were BAD . O still struggles under orji but they have been winning and have had significantly less turnovers. Idk man
Why is Michigan going on 4th and 1 at their own 34 and not later at midfield? Why did they settle for a late field goal instead of simply running Mullins in the red zone. Defense again couldn't make stops in the second half. While this isn't last year's team it's predictable, missing opportunities and not using the talent it does have fully. Coaching appears to be headed back to the frustrations of the first 5 years of Harbough.. It's easy to put all the blame on coaching but it always starts there.
Defense was gassed because they lived on the field. The problems are on the offense. Our D was missing some key guys and still nearly shut them out in the first half and forced crucial turn overs. Offense has to sustain drives to let them breathe.
@@philliplamay5923 that is certainly the results of play calling and use of talent on both sides of the ball. Defense also has had some glaring mistakes. Gassed or not, I'm worried O S. Is going to shred this defense like they used to do with Don Brown's defense in the early harbough years
Orji is not good. Loveland and edwards were both wide open . You cant miss that play period. How in this day when you can pay players have this bad of a qb room.
I think this team has a severe lack of discipline. That second half performance reeks of a team that thought the game was over at halftime. And jesus we need to go for a new OC in the offseason.
@@azteclegalgroup7604 we don't even need that. If our QB was just cade McNamara level we would be fine. At least the good news is next year we got jadyn Davis. Then Carter Smith. Then Brady Hart. We should be fine at QB after this year.
That was not hands to the face, and Minnesota illegally touched the ball before it went ten yards, and there was a blatent illegal block on that kick. If my aunt had a Johnsons she'd be my uncle. Watch the film again.
Orji is terrible. It is quite sad if that is the best option Michigan has at QB. I would be willing to let the 4 star freshman give it a go. The Michigan coaches themselves do not trust Orji to throw downfield. But as bad as the QB situation is......I am somewhat concerned about the defense too. As a Michigan fan I will just have to suck it up....they are 4-1 at this point. But the losses are coming if they maintain a one dimensional offense.
@@ynp1978 Orji looks terrible I agree, but let’s also zoom in at Michigan. The QB play has been terrible for more years than I can actually judge. Maybe JJ was just so dang good that he pushed through the terrible QB coaching. That is starting to seem more likely.
Shows Sherone Moore sucks. Make a game plan and get the passing game going. This is a power 5 university. Why are they acting like their hands are tied. This isn't 7 grade football where you have 2 QB at best. Absolutely depressing. Your getting paid millions to coach and he sucks. We got 5 years of this shit..................Go Blue!!!!!!!
@@colinbell3374 I agree with this I truly think JJ was just a generational talent and he overcame our pathetic Quarterback coaching. Ever since Jim Harbaugh got here our QB play has been subpar, the only QB to actually improve year to year was JJ. every single other QB regressed.
Bullshit. He coached us a win in the Ohio State game last year and he helped Michigan win the Joe Moore award. Apparently Harbaugh thinks he si real bright or he would not have recommended him for the Michigan job
@@Drew1942chI’m not trying to take one side or the other but …it’s a totally different animal Being a head coach rather than a oc or line coach . He can be incredibly bright but still be completely in over his head once the bullets start flying. There’s issues everywhere ..but have you noticed how aweful Michigan is at the details now? The little things loek staying focused and not committing penalties , not realizing down and distance , not watching play clock and situations…communications issues ….etc. I don’t think we have too much of a talent problem , outside of a couple positions, but I absolutely think there’s a coaching issue. Sherrone moode said himself that he cut way down on the number of meetings they have every week . Makes me wonder if that’s part of the probeok here . Serious lack of focus and attention to details on this team . For the record I’m not saying “Moore isn’t the guy and get rid of him,”…I like him. I just think that he’s not quite as ready to take over as we all hoped and he’s gonna have to learn on the fly this year. But based on Jim’s recommendation and his track record I DO think he will Get there. But it’s frustrating to watch in the mean time
Rules are rules. If you are offside, you are offside. The camera view from 20 yards downfield shows he's over the line. If you adjust the view to down the line he's off 1/2 a yard. Don't throw a tantrum when the ref is correct. "They only broke the rule by a little".
If not for the two short field situations, Michigan loses this game. I hope it was just a letdown game after an emotional USC win. The second half is a problem, this year. Opponents adjust, but we don't seem to. At all. Go Blue!
The reality is the AD didn’t go out and get the most experienced HC money can buy. He gave the program to a coach who had 1 year of coordinator experience and in turn he turned the offense over to a former intern & hired a DC that no one in the NFL wanted. This university still doesn’t understand what serious football means. They need an SEC AD and attitude like Ohio State but the nerds in AA are too dense to comprehend the landscape. They’re going backwards and will fade back into irrelevance for another 30 years.
@@DB-xp9px "Buy?" Funny - I listen to Michigan Sports radio every week, and what are they clamoring for? "We've got to develop our NIL program!" So "buying" a team is exactly what WOLVERINES want. Ironic, ain't it?
Problem is deeper than QB. Both of them will get killed from lack of pass pro. Orji is not good but Michigan cannot call straight drop back passes because the oline gives up leakage especially 71 Link
For onside kick, ball touched a MN player early (ankle/knee) and a MN player blocked a M player too early. Refs could have called either of those.
They don't care. They hate Michigan.
If Orji is going to be the QB the offense needs to be almost exclusively read option/RPO; if it’s going to be mostly conventional, Orji shouldn’t be the QB
I mean at least Michigan getting a 3 million dollar transfer QB next year 🤷♂️
Lol
I was ready to scream at wink for the constant man coverage and blitzing on the last Minnesota drive . He had been doing better the last couple games than he turns into don brown when it’s crunch time ? What?
Right? We're NOT looking for Don Brown 2.0.
I thought he made some nice throws and some nice NON THROWS that Warren would have gotten picked. That sideline pattern on third down in the Second quarter would have been a Warren pick 💯. There were several plays where the WR weren't getting separation and Orji ate it or picked up what he could. He also made SEVERAL crucial throws to keep drives alive. He'll make bad throws at times but who doesn't.
Where did you buy those rose glasses?
They need to let jayden davis start getting reps
Ugly wins are ugly.....but they are still wins.
🥱
But it gives you insight on how they will perform against quality teams. If Michigan fans are happy at 9-3 then this is their team but if they want to have a playoff team that isn’t happening with this group of players & coaches.
Ugly wins lead to ugly losses. Watch....... Go Blue!!!!!!
I’m a die hard Michigan fan but this year’s team seems to think second half of play doesn’t exist. They just shut down and think about what girl they are going to meet a party.
@@skagen1972 yes last year's team seemed to know what they needed to do to win and how to do it. This team seems totally lost at times
We are being out coached. Our OC has to put some wrinkles in for the second half. Too predictable.
You can tell when someone isn't really watching the game when they start talking about Alex Orji Right off the bat, when the defense seems to be a huge issue after the half, especially the last couple of games.
Mark also said Alex Orji was the "most scrutinized" QB in college football. I do not think those words means what he thinks they mean.
@@W.A.1818 I wasn't referring solely to Mark...
Got it. Mark tends to over talk and over state and it brings out the Inigo Montoya in me.
@@W.A.1818 LMAO!
Michigan truly needs to improve every week to be eligible for anything at the end of the year
Oriji threw a touchdown in the rain and did quite well. He made 3 mistakes the missed reads the INT and the botched snapped. He will be fine.
😂😂😂
@@beardcog1267 😂🥴 yo mama.
No he won't
If the coordinators drop some plays and utilize him as he should be utilized, he'll be fine. That botch snap look like the center snapped it when the full back was crossing back.
I agree that he'll be fine. He has a great attitude and made some tough throws under pressure to keep the chains moving 😤
Also …calling offsides on Minnesota for onside kick was bad ..but if you rewatch closely it looks like the ball hit a Minnesota player right before the 10 yard mark …which is a penalty . Everyone is up in arms and I get it ..but there WAS a penalty on the play. It just wasn’t offsides . Ref may have simply misspoke . It’s close but it’s there .
michigan has a second half problem and will have a season long problem unless things change in a big way. also the coaching is terrible on both offense and defense.
Team 144 finished like champs. Team 145 finished slow, can't stay w receivers on defense, come off blocks defend the run or pass in the 4th qtr. It looks a lot like a Don Brown defense in the 4th qtr when they are tired. 1st halves they played the same way. I guess caused they are all jacked w energy. OSU may put a hundred on us....sheer missery. I hope Sherone Moore kick's all their asses for not finishing. Go Blue!!!!!!
Do we have video footage of when the flag was thrown for the offsides penalty? Also the line judge is literally standing straight down the line and looking at the ball. I believe they're trained to look for any part of the ball being obscured. The one players hand looked to be right at the line at the time of contact from the kicker.
Mark start polishing off your ifs and buts Michigan will be playing tough defense for 4 quarters by the time they get to Columbus another Pleasant Valley saturday.
Great show Mark. I said all of the same things in my reaction too. Orji needs to continue progressing
The guy starts a whole two games and everyone is trashing him. People forget that McCarthy had a few problems when he started out.
McCarthy only lost 1 game as a starter… in the playoffs. You CANNOT compare these dudes to JJ.. arm talent isn’t even close. And when Blake was in the backfield with him, he was undefeated.
@@philliplamay5923 I never said I was comparing the two, don't make assumptions. Orji improved a bit on his passing game and will continue to improve with more game experience. I didn't judge McCarthy in the MSU game when he came in and fumbled the ball, costing Michigan the game. I knew he was going to be a good quarterback. Michigan doesn't need a JJ level quarterback to win, a decent quarterback is all they need, and Orji will become that with more game reps.
@@Atwater20 I didn’t make assumptions.. it’s in writing. JJ was leagues better from the get go. That’s all I’m sayin. You cannot “compare “ AO’s early struggles with JJ’s. Both played spot duty before becoming starters, one was a rock star from his first play. Young, yes, but accurate and deadly when extending plays. AO isn’t that.
@@philliplamay5923 You made the assumption that I was comparing Orji to JJ, that much was clear.
the Ohio State fan in this guy makes him extremely subjective and ignores other plays. There were questionable calls on both sides. Stop crying about it. The hands to the face call on Graham was questionable. The onside kick had a Minnesota player blocking before the ball went 10 yards and it SEEMED like one of their players touched it as well. The hail Mary before the half wasn't a catch. The ball hit the ground but it wasn't reviewed. Michigan almost lost a game they should've won because of obvious flaws on the field and the sidelines.
I’ve been a huge supporter of Michigan and that they would make a push toward normal, but I’m really leaning toward this being as bad the Iowa offense of the last 10 years. Thank god they are more talented. This offense looks TERRIBLE. I’m shocked they won the last two games.
Either go all in on Orji and play triple option/wildcat or go back to Davis Warren who is a much better thrower. Don’t play the Warren Offense with Orji. This is the worst of both worlds.
@@colinbell3374man I hear you …but Warren jusy gave the ball
Up too much . What good is it if we have a few extra completions but give away 14 points or mroe every game with interceptions? They have to develop one of these gusu for the stretch ..but Warren took himself out of fhe runnigm with 6 picks and several of them were BAD . O still struggles under orji but they have been winning and have had significantly less turnovers. Idk man
Minnesota looked like a better team than Michigan 2nd half. Made Iowa look better than people thought from last week.
It's about time he (Orji) goes back to the bench.
ik you arent suggesting we go back to mr. 6 picks 2 tuddies. youre a dumbass if so
Why is Michigan going on 4th and 1 at their own 34 and not later at midfield?
Why did they settle for a late field goal instead of simply running Mullins in the red zone.
Defense again couldn't make stops in the second half.
While this isn't last year's team it's predictable, missing opportunities and not using the talent it does have fully.
Coaching appears to be headed back to the frustrations of the first 5 years of Harbough..
It's easy to put all the blame on coaching but it always starts there.
Get rid of the DEI COACH
Defense was gassed because they lived on the field. The problems are on the offense. Our D was missing some key guys and still nearly shut them out in the first half and forced crucial turn overs. Offense has to sustain drives to let them breathe.
@@philliplamay5923 that is certainly the results of play calling and use of talent on both sides of the ball.
Defense also has had some glaring mistakes.
Gassed or not, I'm worried O S. Is going to shred this defense like they used to do with Don Brown's defense in the early harbough years
Orji is not good. Loveland and edwards were both wide open . You cant miss that play period.
How in this day when you can pay players have this bad of a qb room.
I think this team has a severe lack of discipline. That second half performance reeks of a team that thought the game was over at halftime. And jesus we need to go for a new OC in the offseason.
Last week too, we dominated USC in the first half and then disappeared in the second half
We need a top 5* QB
@@azteclegalgroup7604 we don't even need that. If our QB was just cade McNamara level we would be fine. At least the good news is next year we got jadyn Davis. Then Carter Smith. Then Brady Hart. We should be fine at QB after this year.
@@hebrewhammer4086 they will not come to Michgan if the OC doesnt change
@@_jse123 probably not.
You better hope that Steve isn’t watching your show 😫, and I think he is watching just as surely as it is raining outside Marky mark 😜
That was not hands to the face, and Minnesota illegally touched the ball before it went ten yards, and there was a blatent illegal block on that kick. If my aunt had a Johnsons she'd be my uncle. Watch the film again.
Well said, blue won this game because of the clock.
Orji is quite possible the worst QB is all of college.
I made the mistake of turning the game off when we were ahead 24-3 in the third quarter 😅 yeah we probably should've gotten beat.
The team made the mistake of thinking they had won at halftime as well lmfao.
Orji is terrible. It is quite sad if that is the best option Michigan has at QB. I would be willing to let the 4 star freshman give it a go. The Michigan coaches themselves do not trust Orji to throw downfield. But as bad as the QB situation is......I am somewhat concerned about the defense too. As a Michigan fan I will just have to suck it up....they are 4-1 at this point. But the losses are coming if they maintain a one dimensional offense.
@@ynp1978 Orji looks terrible I agree, but let’s also zoom in at Michigan. The QB play has been terrible for more years than I can actually judge. Maybe JJ was just so dang good that he pushed through the terrible QB coaching. That is starting to seem more likely.
Shows Sherone Moore sucks. Make a game plan and get the passing game going. This is a power 5 university. Why are they acting like their hands are tied. This isn't 7 grade football where you have 2 QB at best. Absolutely depressing. Your getting paid millions to coach and he sucks. We got 5 years of this shit..................Go Blue!!!!!!!
@@colinbell3374 I agree with this I truly think JJ was just a generational talent and he overcame our pathetic Quarterback coaching. Ever since Jim Harbaugh got here our QB play has been subpar, the only QB to actually improve year to year was JJ. every single other QB regressed.
His parents want him to redshirt
🔨 🔨 NOA is solid on 21 Nov. It will be bad very bad
It worked, but a dumb call to go for it on 4th and 1 on your own side for really not too many reasons to do that.
It's Minnesota
@@khrisstake2210 Minnesota almost gave us another loss due to a very questionable call on the onside kick.
@@Michael-rx6ji but they didn't
Michigan Grad here. No coach fears facing Sherrone. He's not bright. And Minnesota got robbed on that onside kick.
Bullshit. He coached us a win in the Ohio State game last year and he helped Michigan win the Joe Moore award. Apparently Harbaugh thinks he si real bright or he would not have recommended him for the Michigan job
@@Drew1942chI’m not trying to take one side or the other but …it’s a totally different animal
Being a head coach rather than a oc or line coach . He can be incredibly bright but still be completely in over his head once the bullets start flying. There’s issues everywhere ..but have you noticed how aweful
Michigan is at the details now? The little things loek staying focused and not committing penalties , not realizing down and distance , not watching play clock and situations…communications issues ….etc. I don’t think we have too much of a talent problem , outside of a couple positions, but I absolutely think there’s a coaching issue. Sherrone moode said himself that he cut way down on the number of meetings they have every week . Makes me wonder if that’s part of the probeok here . Serious lack of focus and attention to details on this team .
For the record I’m not saying “Moore isn’t the guy and get rid of him,”…I like him. I just think that he’s not quite as ready to take over as we all hoped and he’s gonna have to learn on the fly this year. But based on Jim’s recommendation and his track record I DO think he will
Get there. But it’s frustrating to watch in the mean time
thanks for comments gophers got a bad call
Both teams had a lot of bad calls or no calls
Michigan got the same but we can’t talk about that
You’re right the refs blew it Tikki tack call
Rules are rules. If you are offside, you are offside. The camera view from 20 yards downfield shows he's over the line. If you adjust the view to down the line he's off 1/2 a yard. Don't throw a tantrum when the ref is correct. "They only broke the rule by a little".
Terrible onside kick call
If not for the two short field situations, Michigan loses this game. I hope it was just a letdown game after an emotional USC win.
The second half is a problem, this year. Opponents adjust, but we don't seem to. At all.
Go Blue!
The reality is the AD didn’t go out and get the most experienced HC money can buy. He gave the program to a coach who had 1 year of coordinator experience and in turn he turned the offense over to a former intern & hired a DC that no one in the NFL wanted. This university still doesn’t understand what serious football means. They need an SEC AD and attitude like Ohio State but the nerds in AA are too dense to comprehend the landscape. They’re going backwards and will fade back into irrelevance for another 30 years.
Michicant
Ann Arbor Yellow Pants Cheaters DOMINATE the Mighty, Mighty World-Champion Gophers . . . by 3 points.
Womp womp
Give it a rest ! Always hope OSU loses bc of people like you. Even under Woody the respect was there. Not anymore.
guess we should be like the suckeyes and buy our way to a title?🙄
@@DB-xp9px "Buy?" Funny - I listen to Michigan Sports radio every week, and what are they clamoring for? "We've got to develop our NIL program!" So "buying" a team is exactly what WOLVERINES want. Ironic, ain't it?
Speaking of yellow you Buckeyes have a soft yellow streak running down your backs, especially cryin Ryan.
I seriously would have rather lost than have that stupid call shadowing the win.
Bring Davis back or go with Jayden. Orji is not a college-level QB.
Problem is deeper than QB. Both of them will get killed from lack of pass pro. Orji is not good but Michigan cannot call straight drop back passes because the oline gives up leakage especially 71 Link