My First 18 Meter Scoring Round with my Barebow | Tuning & Shooting Barebow Archery at 20 Yards
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- With Indoor States fast approaching, I need to finalize my tune and get some time behind my bow! I Finish tune, make some discoveries, learn a lot and score my first 300 round at 18M/20Yds for you to enjoy.
I discuss Tuning, my grip sear, serving issues, nock point issues and other things along the way.
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Enjoying watching a mentor whose UA-cam advice has helped me tremendously, exploring barebow and talking it through...that’s a talent in itself.
It’s a pleasure watching near perfect form.
Thanks for sharing this!
(I’m gonna say you plucked that second arrow on that last end, though, lol!)
Not able to practice here in Japan due to the pandemic, so shooing vicariously through these videos. Good luck at States!
Really enjoying these conversational videos and your describing what’s going on and what you’re thinking. The tuning points went right over this newbie’s head but it was still fascinating. Excellent!
I have tried finger slings but I prefer a wrist sling personally. Much quicker to get in and out of, less restrictive and you might be able to reset the Zniper with the left hand. An old flat shoe lace or I prefer an old lanyard string (flat shape) works great. Mounted near or around the main stabeliser bushing. I like to have adjustable slip knots on both ends looping around the main weight. Or if possible one of the end loops (on the finger side) to kind of use a cow hitch knot system through the riser. This helps to not loose the string when you take your weight off. I say finger side because the slip knot on the right side is easy ish to adjust with the right hand on the fly if you need to.
Thanks for the videos.
Good luck at the comp.
So cool Jake, you proved that any category as long as you master the technique and tune your bow, you'll get it right in the bulleyes. 💪💪🏹🏹🏹👍👍👍👍
Yes,Jake, as an idle observer I would like to say that maybe it is really the noble habit to expand makes the ancor to slide up our teeth a tiny bit...it will come back no matter how well you tune the bow for stringwalking method of shooting
same limbs of mine. great feeling.
The bow gives a pretty nice sound.
Two foolish predictions.
1. Jake will catch his tail.
2. In the not too distant future he will take the sport of barebow a giant leap forward. (Compare that solid technique to even the best current shooters)
Another great video. Salud.
Jake knows his stuff, I like the fact that even with his past success, I can relate to him.
Just a guy, loosing arrows down range and have fun with it.
Great stuff as usual man! Keep on keepin' on 🤙🏼
I use a rope or climbing tape sling thru the holes in the bottom of the riser, if all I want to do is not drop the bow, it's not good for my form but it is easy and convenient !
260 is a great score (actually my goal) my bow arm is not rock solid like yours! Hitting high for me is much better than dropping out low... if I hit high it is usually at least in the red but drop one low and watch out!
I learnt archery with no finger sling, and once i worked out to not squeeze the riser, everything went fine, so still never use one, do you have a video on "Breathing and release", kindest regards from the UK.
Jake try some 0.21 mono serving then you can use it to count servings up or down close up shots about two servings per yard longer past about 30 yards its about 1.5 yrds per serving !
Jake, How come you didn't share with us that you both won your classes! More than impressed with Heathers rapid development.
Hope you're both headed for the Lancaster classic next year, good money involved...
Jake two suggestions for higher score: Shoot more arrows per end and shoot a larger target :). Great shooting out of the box. Scoring 260 is not bad many people wished they could shoot that. Not coming out of the red is outstanding. Even the best occasionally find blue. Good luck on your journey.
Great video! Thanks 👍🏻
Hello Jake congratulations for yours videos, that are always very useful.
I would like to ask you for advice.
My fovourite sport is archery. I have bought a black Smartriser for 25’’. The limbs are 66” and 30’’. Before this, I utilised a hoyt with the same limbs.
My problemi is: The proof of the plucked rods, that I made to do the nocking point, was good, because, in this way, I was able to group all the plucked shafts (with the wheelies to the same height.) In this way, the result is that all the shafts hits the mark 15 cm on the right.
To make an experiment, I closed the spring (to be nearer at the mark) but all the shafts are always to much on the right.
I use arrows from the spine of 640, the arrowhead is 80 grams. For the limbs I use the same tiller. The brace is a little shorter because, in this way, the release of the rope is faster.
I don’t understand because all the arrows goes on the right. With my old hoyt, wich I have regulate in the same way, I had not this problem.
Thank you for all the suggestion you can give to me.
I thank you onother time and a sincere compliment for yours videos.
Bow sounds much better with the limb savers - nice shooting!
Nail file in the quiver. Noice
I experimented with Halo and didn't like it when crawling the string because it is so slick. So same obeservation like you have. I webt back to 62XS
Hi Jake! what tiller do you have in your bow? Thanks a lot for your videos! it's great for Barebow archers!!!!💪👏
It would be interesting to know the tiller setting for this style of shooting..
Nocking points twist perhaps on touching your nose?
grip sear? a video for the future?
Hello, what weigths are you using on your bow?
I use Polygrip Center Serving
Do most good bare-bow recurve archers shoot the single face target for NFAA or USA Archery World Archery Indoor 40cm face or do they shoot the vertical 3 or the 5 spot? I know those triple and 5 are generally shot by good compound shooters and Olympic-style Recurve shooters.
Most shoot the single face yes.
Jake, Power Grip is the best for string walking
What kind of rest are you running & plunger ?
Hello Jake. Iam coming from pistol shooting and I started archery shooting 2 months ago. I really like it. I’m following your videos and I‘m trying to consider everything in my almost daily training session. I made good progress. I am struggling with my release. Only approximately 20 % releaseswith a good feeling. I watched this video and especially your right hand. in one of your videos you mentioned that the biggest load should be on the index finger. In the actual scenes in the beginning of this video your middle finger is bent more than the index finger. At least it looks like that. Is the load distribution a fixed thing? Even with string walking? I would feel more comfortable with having the highest portion of the string load on the middle finger. Dont understand me wrong. You know what your doing. Iam in the beginning.
Can you add a link to the target faces you were using? Thanks
I actually use Halo and like it. Same tab in Cordovan
I’m in no way an expert. But, I’m thinking that when you lose, the string is snapping a spin in the string and making your adjustable nock point turn and move up. 🤷🏻♂️ again, I’m not sure, just a guess
It was a combo of a few things, most the string angle from the crawl moving the nocking points.
At 1:30 you are not talking about a pressure-activated clicker, right?
Correct
Those shafts have a red criss cross pattern at the front, right? if that's the case, am I the only one who thinks they shouldn't be allowed in the barebow division?
You can’t see them while at full draw.
why such pattern on the shafts is illegal in barebow division as far as rule goes?
@@wanr5701 Can you cite that rule?
i am not aware of such rule but i can see why it might exist: that crisscross pattern could be used to draw as consistant as a klicker, draw till a speciffic pattern on the arrow meets a speciffic point on the riser or better, the arrowrest=absolut consistant drawlength=illegal.
consistant drawlength is my biggest problem as a barebow shooter
English is not my native language, and perhaps I wasn't clear enough, I'm not saying that there is a specific rule against this "front cresting" (not al least in WA Rules), what I'm saying is that there should be one. I agree with Mr. Kaminski, people who string walk can't see those marks at full draw, but what about someone who anchors under the chin? that person could find those marks useful in many ways, specially in field competitions.
You should try 50m soon... I bet it will be more enjoyable than 70m recurve.
As soon as this indoor is done I plan on trying to build a 50m rig
i was shocked when i shot 50m for the first time last summer.
i am a total noob and shot 10-18m only for the first half year of my archery jouney and shot 18m score between 230 and 250 in the end.
joined a club to be able to shootall distances and for the permission to take part in competitions.
barebow is 18m indoor and 50m outdor so i started to shoot 50 m and th results where absolut terrible, needed a new anchor and stronger limbs to even reach 50 m....
practicly starting new ... slipping in a 7 at 18m translates to a diviation of 2 foot at 50 m!!! distance is a terrible magnifier for inconsistency. it is challanging, especialy for a newcommer to archery like me.
What's the weight difference between your bare shafts & vaned shafts? Because your bare shaft should impact higher if they are lighter.
Let me put it this way. If I shot my first three like you just did, I'd touch nothing. But I'm new to this also so am not that familiar with the finer points of tuning. Why don't they just mail you the trophy and be done with it. LOL
It’s not about the trophy, it’s about the experience of shooting in a real event haha
@@JakeKaminskiArchery Gotcha. I competed in the Lancaster Classic in "20 and actually made the cut to the shoot-ups. Lost in the first round to the Italian gentleman who eventually finished fourth. Had an absolutely fantastic time. This was my first ever competition outside my club. After my loss, I was walking away when I was stopped by some compound shooters. One of them asked why barebow shooter always look so happy even when they lose. I had just told them I had been eliminated. So I just said that when you guys miss the X, your day is ruined, but when we barebow shooters hit the X, it makes our day. They laughed but a couple said that they are definitely going to look into barebow. A very revealing few minutes. Barebow is on the rise big time.
Jake, are you shooting slightly down hill?
You drop bow halfway through release with the finger sling bows falling toward you. Because of loose grip ramping high.
How does this limps feel? Are these the best wiawis for years? Thx for your awesome videos.
I think so, the best I have shot.
@@JakeKaminskiArchery I've received a pair of MXT-10 foam on Friday... I used to shoot the Smoothness Queens (Uukha Xcurve), and these Wiawis feel incredibly snappy and fast.... Dam fast!!! Love them! Would be nice to see you shooting them through a chronograph and compare with other limbs you have...
@@blackspeed69007 Would love to see Jake compare to Uukha XX or VX. I'm going to pull the trigger on one of the three, (MXT-10, Uukha XX or VX in the next couple of months).
@@Garuda16 uukha have replaced the xx and vx range with the new S curve range , supposedly smoother and faster
what size arrow and spine are you shooting?
500 spine roughly 29.5”
@@JakeKaminskiArchery sorry. I forgot to ask. what draw weight do you shoot with?
When you first started all arrows in gold ..then you shot bare shafts all high and you started changing everything ....why ?
Not going to answer ...just seems silly when 🤔 everything was fine to begin with ???
Use poly grip
Why are your arrows so long? I feel like shortest possible has always been whats recommended to me.
For tune purposes.
For barebow people run many different arrow lengths to get different point on or crawl amounts. It’s not really complicated but a lot of factors including tune is involved to optimize an arrow that works for the game you are shooting.
260 ain't a bad place to start at all
I dont believe bare shaft tuning is that crucial. For instance in this video your first 4 arrows you shot were 9,10,10,10. And then you made a bunch of adjustments and you shot worse. I'm a big believer of group tuning. I've seen many pros group tune and shoot quarter size groups and then shoot through paper and have a huge left or right tear.
Im pretty sure it is legal.
Or don’t use a grip sear.
Something telling me mate you more practice lol
I need more or I practice a lot?
@@JakeKaminskiArchery just stirring mate I like the stuff you put out there for everyone also thanks the strength training has helped me a lot thanks Cobber
I was genuinely asking, I didn’t quite understand your point. Cheers!
@@JakeKaminskiArchery Australian humour mate we are often miss under stood ,all the best
@@JakeKaminskiArchery I think he was jokingly saying you need more practice but as he also mentioned he is Australian and no one can understand them at the best of times 😛 (I can get away with saying that as I'm a Kiwi). I'd be happy if I could consistently shoot as good as your bad shots 🙄
Am a barebow shooter where do you place the tip of the arrow
Coming along nicely there Jake, definitely getting a handle on barebow. That is a much more respectable score then you give yourself credit for considering you had the handicap of walking nocking points and limb adjustments throughout. Excited for you to to shoot your first barebow tournament, best of luck to you !
Welcome to the wonderful world of shooting Barebow!
Went to an indoor range the other day, and I have to say shooting with a mask on totally threw off my ability to anchor properly and consistently. Any thoughts on this?
Great center serving for barebow: BCY Powergrip.
Power grip for sure!
Some thoughts at setting your crawl
1) yes, on your tab hand, you can press your thumb against the string after you set your crawl to prevent the tab from slipping as you raise your bow and let go right before you draw
2) Power grip is definitely better for less slipping
3) when you set your tab at the top, make sure it's bumping up against the bottom of the arrow nock rather than the lower nocking point and that will be a more consistent placement before crawling down rather than starting from the bottom nock which can move.
Also, stackable weights haven't been a problem as far as I've seen and shot
Nice job at states! It looks like you and Heather both won.
Thanks for all the great videos!
So when I tune barebow and nock point I will scratch my center serve with my thumb nail to see visual referance how much my nock move vs my crawl. If that makes sense.
Good tip. It would work for me, but my center serving was so old it had scuffs all over it.
Little bit of a grey area with respect to marking your servings.
@@Hybridesque The world archery regulations allows "dirt and wear/usage" coloration on the tab markings. "Wear marks" on the serving is basically the same thing. Not that it is particularly beneficial anyway, as using the tab should be just as accurate and repeatable.
@@sandergjertsenstvold1051 reasonable point of view to take.
Rather than doing the crawl from the nocking point, have you tried doing the crawl from the nock?
I do it from the nock.
Jake check the wear on the end of your tab, the tab looks a tad to long on your fingers.
It’s pretty close, maybe a tad long. It looks long when I’m setting my crawl but it pull the plate far back in my hand.
I took all the weight off Mt Zenit and have just a weight at the bottom fixing bolt and I use a fairweather tab. It really centred my shots, I'm using my bow outdoor for field 👍
Hey Jake, nice video. I use angel magesty serving. Very grippy and nice round shape. Regards
Hi Jake!
As long as you can do Risers with weights through a 12cm ring, it's ok.
I always like to see just how still archers are by watching the arrow tips of the ones in their quiver. It can be very telling.
I use poligrip for string walking. Works beautifully
What sort of arrows are you shooting? Full length or cut?
You are looking for perfection ....lol you will be chasing your tail forever ....its not all singing and dancing like Olympic recurve..its bare bow harder 🤧
I’m sure. But I love tinkering.
I can understand that the string walking technique is used when you have to shoot from different distances, such as hunting, 3d parcours ...
But if you are training for a competition in which the distance is invariable, 20 yards, what is the point?
Wouldn't it be better to tune the bow for that distance with your fingers just below the nocking point? Wouldn't it be much more accurate and repeatable than string walking?
No, because what is your aiming point? What do you aim with? Yes I could build a slow, long arrow to be point on at 20 yds, but I haven’t invested that time yet.
Could you put a small piece of 18ga Stainless under the edge of the grip to use as a grip sear? The softer handle material would wear over time, where steel would not and keep finger placement consistent over time. Not sure exactly how the rules are written on that.
Definitely wouldn’t be allowed in my
Opinion.
wish i had bow hand like yours .. shoulder always gets up (started after a long break) anyone have tips plz do tell senior tryouts coming next month
I try to imagine tucking my bow-arm scapula into my back pocket when I raise my bow if that makes any sense. When I activate my back and feel my bow-arm scapula it really helps me keep my shoulder down.
I would love to have you near me to help me solve my bareshaft arrow problems... waaaay off to the right! same height as my fletched arrows tho...
His other video suggests you’re under spined. Try dropping some tip weight (if you’re a right handed shooter)
Look at the nock in height of nose, it does not move when you string walk, though you move your anchor the same time at opposite direction, that keep you with high hits
It was because the bottom nocking point was slipping down, allowing the arrow to move down slightly.
@@JakeKaminskiArchery yes, could be, but thats not matter that much when you stringwalk, measured from bottom nocking point. Check where you nock is touching your nose, it does not change(in my view from beginning of video to later) when you string walk, as it should, reason either you move your hand or lift your head a bit, the brain want to have the same place, so it try to solve "the error" you do when string walk, common mistake for new bb-archers, even if good archer.
Jake, with respect to the barebow weights, it should be fine. If you're feeling paranoid, tack them together with some welds.
Serving Material, I like Diamondback/Flex #4 Max Evo, which seems a bit more grippier than the normal serving thread.
I’d rather not weld them as then they are there forever. Even tacks just would ruin the look of them forever. And at the premium price these weights are, gotta treat them like gold!
@@JakeKaminskiArchery fair enough.
@@JakeKaminskiArchery If you loctite them together would that meet the definition??
Zniper rest or AAE rest?
Zniper here.
@@JakeKaminskiArchery Been shooting a Zniper since they came out. Took it off my indoor bow last week. For whatever reason could not get it adjusted right. If it fell with the shot it would not support the arrow at rest. If it supported the arrow at rest it would not fall on shot. I made very small moves on my adjustment screw.
AFAIK, stackable weights are prohibited in Barebow. At least here, in Russia, they are (under WA rules).
About the center serving - I've used BCY Powergrip for the last few months and it works great. Hold really tight, no slips were noticed.
Btw, decent shooting.
Кирилл Филиппенко, absolutely ridiculous to make stackable weights illegal, are they trying to encourage archers into barebow or completely piss them off.
Hi Jake, welcome to the world of barebow, the real archery... Move on... You are on the right path.... :-) Btw. I love your videos. You share your experience and knowledge w/o pretending yourself like others. I like it.
Weights should be fine. Be prepared to be asked about it or tack them together or get another weight. Good luck at the tournament. ~Frank McD
However not all judges, few actually understand the rules in barebow and I have seen them make issues out on non issue items. Just saying.....
Grass Hollow Archery - Training Center, no dought a ruling by judges that were no good at Archery themselves
Hi Jake, I’ve been enjoying your videos and extensive knowledge when it comes to recurve and especially barebow. I noticed on this video that you had an issue with shooting high even after making adjustments. I started watching your release hand and noticed that on your high shots, the backwards movement of that hand travelled slightly higher through the release. I could even block the targets from my vision and be able to tell if your shot was going to be high or centred. Just thought it may help.
On this one, I constantly hit high because the nocking point was walking on me