Good morning Bruce. I installed a nylon washer under the lock washer for the wing nut spring tension adjuster. It allows the spring tensioner to rock back and forth with the spring. It made an incredibly fast pedal even faster. I simple nylon tension rod washer. Thanks again for sharing your work.
Just viewed your video. Great stuff! I just rebuilt both of my Swivel Matic pedals. They are the #396's with the needle bearings. Installed a new leather strap on one of them.The other is just like brand new. My parents, God Bless them, bought my first Rogers kit in 1964 at $550.00 (Cozy Cole "Constellation Model"). I was 12 or 13 years old. In 1968 I bought another kit, (Dave Clark " Londoner Model"). Both kits came with the Swivel Matic pedals etc. I still have the 1967-1968 Rogers catalog & price list. Buddy Rich, Louis Bellson, Roy Burns, Cozy Cole, Dave Clark, & Humberto Morales are pictured in this catalog. Don't know if Buddy Rich was still involved with Rogers at that time, his "Headliner & Celebrity" kits are featured in this catalog. I believe after Rogers he switched to Slingerland Drums. Love your content. What a piece of Drum History. I was lucky to be a small part of it.
I have a 1st generation swivomatic pedal that has the 22 per side Torrington bearings. I modified the spring with a DW rocker bearing and shorter spring from advice from Jimmy Ford and I have the fastest, smoothest pedal I've ever played! Great video !
Thanks, I have a first generation and 2 other pre CBS one piece foot board, Also pre CBS split foot. All comes down to the Torrington bearings and machining not cast!
That was Buddy Rich’s bass drum pedal of choice. A friend of mine who played in his band told of a concert where there leather strap broke and Buddy played the rest of the show without a bass drum!
Those old Rogers pedals and cymbal tilters are great! I have five tilters and I had a single board pedal I bought in 1965. My all time favorite!! Only thing was the leather strap !!! Someone stole it but left a DW chain drive so that person was just a dick instead of an asshole!
What’s up Bruceeee! One minute in. And I see we got a Rogers pedal on the bench. I actually own one of these. 100% original from what I know. Literally just have it on a shelf as decoration. Super neat looking pedal. Excited to see what we learn from this. Hopefully this doesn’t inspire me to try and fix mine. 😂
Howdy Jayme! Yes I am learning about these pedals in real time friend. Got this one working pretty good. You think I should film the other two in restoration? Bruce
The tab on your swivel unit is bent thats why the rod is slipping forward. If you can heat it up with your torch and bend it down it should hold better. I could watch these videos all day... there's just something calming about your entire approach and tone.
Thank you for the plug brother. I love everything you do. Great work on these. Those are beautiful 2nd generation and later pedals. Two of those beaters are quite rare. That 4428 felt with the white stripe and the reversible wood 4377... sought after pieces for sure. Is that wool beater on the table Rogers ??!!! ... I have one but it looks a bit like a roasted marshmallow ... let me know. great stuff as always... I learn something every time I watch one of your vids. The 67 catalog is the one where they took Buddy out ... that 64 is one of the best.
Its my pleasure to hip others to your channel my friend. Thats how we learn. Oh 67' catalog, I have that one, my mistake. Yes I have a stash of beaters, and when I started working on these pedals I pulled out all the Rogers. Yes that is a new old stock wool beater. It has been kicking around here for many years. I think I will do a quick vid of the other two pedals, just so we can show others the bearings etc. I will be on the hunt for the 1st version with that special clip thing of the footboard rod. Very cool! Cheers, Bruce
Yeah Ron, I never thought about that, but I never mess with them either once I dial them in, unless they are giving me trouble. I used a ghost pedal when I worked on ships, and one day an old man came up to me and told me that he invented the ghost pedal in the Navy for the drummer. He sold the patent to Ludwig. Cheers, Bruce
Love drums. Love tools. Love restoring stuff. Love a well-explained YT post. Thank you! I'm not as experienced as you so I wouldn't dare use a tap to clean internal threads for fear of cross-threading them. Instead I have tens of different sized spiral brushes and a lot of elbow grease. Great idea though for when I feel a bit more confident. Inspiring stuff. Cheers.
Spiral brushes work probably just as good. Try a tap on something you dont care about and get the feel, its not as complex as you may think. Cheers, Bruce
@@vintagedrumrestorationgara91 I'm now trying to think of something I own with a thread that I don't care about. I may have to come back to you on this... Cheers!
He may have friend.... I am not that familiar with Hals hardware. I do like these pedals but..... for years I have been using a french made Jacques Cappelle pedal with a unique spring system and it over performs these rogers pedals. I may do a video on them soon. Cheers, Bruce
I had one of these pedals in the 70s. I remember that it was kind of noisy, and the movement wasn't as fast as pedals with ball bearings. Furthermore, I replaced it with a Caroline, which was very popular at the time. I must admit, however, I wish I never sold my set of Rogers. I wonder where it is today.
Truthfully I prefer the Caroline over the Rogers any day. The Rogers is a good pedal but it is not as fast as a Caroline. I still have a few Carolines in the stash along with the ultra Rare Caroline Hi Hat stand. For years I have now been using a Jacques Cappelle pedal and it is just a dream to play. There is cam that has a chain that tensions forward and backwards. Its the one that just attaches to the rim, not the one with the vertical bar that attaches top and bottom hoop.
The older 60s “SWIV-O-MATIC” pedals had two (2) Torrington B-68 needle bearings inside the horizontal shaft! The later ones the bearings are removed to save money they just put a BRASS insert Or sleeve in the horizontal tube to take up the slack really cheap shit after CBS really ravaged the Rogers Drum company
Thanks Neal. Yes production costs and how to save a few $$$ is always the name of the game. Take a look at even the most expensive boutique drums made today, like A&F. Cheap hoops, nice lugs and cheap rods. But they still demand big bucks. I have still not gotten an answer to what shells they use. I assume Keller, but may be wrong. I bought a Ludwig " Copperphonic snare drum when they first came out mainly for the shell. All of the parts other than the throwoff were junk. Love the shell but the parts are trash, especially the lugs. Thanks for the comment. Bruce
Good morning Bruce. I installed a nylon washer under the lock washer for the wing nut spring tension adjuster. It allows the spring tensioner to rock back and forth with the spring. It made an incredibly fast pedal even faster. I simple nylon tension rod washer. Thanks again for sharing your work.
Great idea Kevin. I will have to try that on the other pedals. Cheers, Bruce
Just viewed your video. Great stuff! I just rebuilt both of my Swivel Matic pedals. They are the #396's with the needle bearings. Installed a new leather strap on one of them.The other is just like brand new. My parents, God Bless them, bought my first Rogers kit in 1964 at $550.00 (Cozy Cole "Constellation Model"). I was 12 or 13 years old. In 1968 I bought another kit, (Dave Clark " Londoner Model"). Both kits came with the Swivel Matic pedals etc. I still have the 1967-1968 Rogers catalog & price list. Buddy Rich, Louis Bellson, Roy Burns, Cozy Cole, Dave Clark, & Humberto Morales are pictured in this catalog. Don't know if Buddy Rich was still involved with Rogers at that time, his "Headliner & Celebrity" kits are featured in this catalog. I believe after Rogers he switched to Slingerland Drums. Love your content. What a piece of Drum History. I was lucky to be a small part of it.
Well thanks Rene. Make sure you subscribe so we can get some revenue some day. Haha. Cheers, Bruce
I have a 1st generation swivomatic pedal that has the 22 per side Torrington bearings. I modified the spring with a DW rocker bearing and shorter spring from advice from Jimmy Ford and I have the fastest, smoothest pedal I've ever played! Great video !
Amazing what one can do to any given pedal and make it better. Cheers, Bruce
Thanks, I have a first generation and 2 other pre CBS one piece foot board, Also pre CBS split foot. All comes down to the Torrington bearings and machining not cast!
That was Buddy Rich’s bass drum pedal of choice. A friend of mine who played in his band told of a concert where there leather strap broke and Buddy played the rest of the show without a bass drum!
It's hard to believe he didn't have a spare!
Mystery solved. Great job. Thanks
They call me Colombo.
Those old Rogers pedals and cymbal tilters are great! I have five tilters and I had a single board pedal I bought in 1965. My all time favorite!! Only thing was the leather strap !!! Someone stole it but left a DW chain drive so that person was just a dick instead of an asshole!
What’s up Bruceeee! One minute in. And I see we got a Rogers pedal on the bench. I actually own one of these. 100% original from what I know. Literally just have it on a shelf as decoration. Super neat looking pedal. Excited to see what we learn from this. Hopefully this doesn’t inspire me to try and fix mine. 😂
Howdy Jayme! Yes I am learning about these pedals in real time friend. Got this one working pretty good. You think I should film the other two in restoration? Bruce
The tab on your swivel unit is bent thats why the rod is slipping forward.
If you can heat it up with your torch and bend it down it should hold better.
I could watch these videos all day... there's just something calming about your entire approach and tone.
Yes, I thought that was the problem, so thanks for that. Which pedal is the 2nd generation one? I always appreciate your input bro, Bruce
Thank you for the plug brother.
I love everything you do.
Great work on these.
Those are beautiful 2nd generation and later pedals.
Two of those beaters are quite rare.
That 4428 felt with the white stripe and the reversible wood 4377... sought after pieces for sure.
Is that wool beater on the table Rogers ??!!! ... I have one but it looks a bit like a roasted marshmallow ... let me know.
great stuff as always... I learn something every time I watch one of your vids.
The 67 catalog is the one where they took Buddy out ... that 64 is one of the best.
Its my pleasure to hip others to your channel my friend. Thats how we learn. Oh 67' catalog, I have that one, my mistake.
Yes I have a stash of beaters, and when I started working on these pedals I pulled out all the Rogers. Yes that is a new old stock wool beater. It has been kicking around here for many years.
I think I will do a quick vid of the other two pedals, just so we can show others the bearings etc.
I will be on the hunt for the 1st version with that special clip thing of the footboard rod. Very cool! Cheers, Bruce
Great content I never mess with my pedals once I get the tension the way I like it. Just ordered a vintage Ludwig Speed King and Ghost pedal.
Yeah Ron, I never thought about that, but I never mess with them either once I dial them in, unless they are giving me trouble. I used a ghost pedal when I worked on ships, and one day an old man came up to me and told me that he invented the ghost pedal in the Navy for the drummer. He sold the patent to Ludwig. Cheers, Bruce
@@vintagedrumrestorationgara91 Wow so cool! I sent you an email 2 days ago did you get it?
@@ronvallejo7987 Ron, Just checked and no I did not get one. Try again, budsmusic@hotmail.com
@@vintagedrumrestorationgara91 typo it’s there now.
Love drums. Love tools. Love restoring stuff. Love a well-explained YT post. Thank you! I'm not as experienced as you so I wouldn't dare use a tap to clean internal threads for fear of cross-threading them. Instead I have tens of different sized spiral brushes and a lot of elbow grease. Great idea though for when I feel a bit more confident. Inspiring stuff. Cheers.
Spiral brushes work probably just as good. Try a tap on something you dont care about and get the feel, its not as complex as you may think. Cheers, Bruce
@@vintagedrumrestorationgara91 I'm now trying to think of something I own with a thread that I don't care about. I may have to come back to you on this... Cheers!
@@theswime945 How about an old stand that you dont use anymore?
I believe the great Hal Blaine used the Swiv-o-Matic pedal, of course maintained by his trusty tech Rick Faucher . . .
He may have friend.... I am not that familiar with Hals hardware. I do like these pedals but..... for years I have been using a french made Jacques Cappelle pedal with a unique spring system and it over performs these rogers pedals. I may do a video on them soon. Cheers, Bruce
I had one of these pedals in the 70s. I remember that it was kind of noisy, and the movement wasn't as fast as pedals with ball bearings. Furthermore, I replaced it with a Caroline, which was very popular at the time. I must admit, however, I wish I never sold my set of Rogers. I wonder where it is today.
Truthfully I prefer the Caroline over the Rogers any day. The Rogers is a good pedal but it is not as fast as a Caroline. I still have a few Carolines in the stash along with the ultra Rare Caroline Hi Hat stand. For years I have now been using a Jacques Cappelle pedal and it is just a dream to play. There is cam that has a chain that tensions forward and backwards. Its the one that just attaches to the rim, not the one with the vertical bar that attaches top and bottom hoop.
The older 60s “SWIV-O-MATIC” pedals had two (2) Torrington B-68 needle bearings inside the horizontal shaft! The later ones the bearings are removed to save money they just put a BRASS insert Or sleeve in the horizontal tube to take up the slack really cheap shit after CBS really ravaged the Rogers Drum company
Thanks Neal. Yes production costs and how to save a few $$$ is always the name of the game. Take a look at even the most expensive boutique drums made today, like A&F. Cheap hoops, nice lugs and cheap rods. But they still demand big bucks. I have still not gotten an answer to what shells they use. I assume Keller, but may be wrong. I bought a Ludwig " Copperphonic snare drum when they first came out mainly for the shell. All of the parts other than the throwoff were junk. Love the shell but the parts are trash, especially the lugs. Thanks for the comment. Bruce
@@vintagedrumrestorationgara91 :
Yeah it’s a shame! But what CBS did to Rogers…. borderline criminal!