This Ship LOST $9,000,000,000 a day!
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It's incredible that the suez canal authority had the audacity to blame the vessel for the incompetence of their own pilots. The vessel should never have been allowed to enter the canal with such high winds.
pilot can't 1billion, but ship's company can
Nope. It's the captain's responsibility according to maritime law.
I mean, sea law puts it on the captain and the body responsible for him is the company so... It was also mentioned that is was on the captain to decide if he wanted to proceed and that he was under pressure to do so. Maybe I understood that wrong though.
From a regular or layman's standpoint (which matters not so it's fun to discuss) it sure does seem like the pilots were responsible and the canal authority seemed to realize that after hearing the recording. I do think that the Evergiven should have waited for better weather but money and time make the world go round and I have neither so what do I know 😅🤷
What do you expect from Arabs?
@@dahliacheung6020 In this case I would say they made the world stand still... :D
As a freight forwarder I still get chills when someone mentions Ever Given, it really threw our whole work upside down. I even had a container on that ship for a customer... dude wasn't happy lol
What the fuck did he expect you to do?🤷🏿♂️…unhappy about the situation or wasn’t happy you used that ship?
Probably expected him to go dig it out him self 😅 @KKOPPONG
In our port, pilots are in charge of berthing/unberthing, but if anything goes amiss, they are not responsible. I find this extremely unfair for the vessels, as pilotage is compulsory.
The captain can override the pilots and even ask for them to be changed, eg if the pilot is drunk.
@@southpakrules Problem is: they are the supposed experts. If they say "turn 20 degrees here, there is a sand bank ahead", there's not much the captain could do, besides turning.
@@sysbofh Respectfully disagree. Pilots job is advisory. A captain must know and have already marked on the charts the navigational hazards and the appropriate route until the end of the voyage leg and discuss it with the officers and crew, he must know his ships manoeuvring characteristics and he must act like there was no pilot. Pilots are humans too. Slip of the tongue happens. A wrong order happens from time to time, but thankfully i, the officer or even the helmsmen catch it on time.
@@southpakrules Not all hazards are on charts - sometimes they shift all time.
The need for a local expert is because he knows the place like his right hand. Yes, all the mapped dangers - but the weird quirks and gotchas too.
Sure, the captain would not (should not) obey insane or patently wrong suggestions. But it's as I said: if he follows the expert suggestions, he is following what the expert said.
And if the expert makes a reasonable suggestion, that is ultimately wrong, well... what now?
Been through the canal many times as a ships officer. Yes the pilots are bums. Egypt caused this and refused to man up to it plain and simple.
I love all the pics of that single digger next to the gigantic Evergiven... quite emblematic of the whole debacle. There are so many lessons here yet sadly few seem to have learnt from it. Great video as always 👍
seriously i was thinking that too 😂😂 like big help dude thanks lol
Yes. It reminded me of the old adage:
Question: How do you eat an elephant?
Answer: One bite at a time.
@@ghhhp At least he was willing to set other things aside and come start digging straight away (for a hefty fee, I imagine). There's nothing worse than nothing being done while everybody argues what to do, so I would commend the effort.
It doesn't get mentioned much, but, shortly after this, a different Evergreen Marine container ship ventured out of a marked channel in the Chesapeake, and, grounded.
Evergreen → Evergrounded? 🤔
@@pizzlerot2730🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
That was also due to pilot error
@@ortiz3452Hmm perhaps the pilots have a vendetta against Ever Green?
HOPE. NEVER. SOUTH. TYNESIDE COLLEGE
Well done putting it all together, never heard of the disputes the pilots had just prior to the incident.
Seems pretty scummy that they sued over what was essentially their own pilot's errors...
Also, I just found your channel a few hours ago and I've been binge watching like crazy! This is great content, keep up the good work!
Thanks, will do
That's Egypt, pilots even accept bribes like ciggaretes from ship's crew
@@vipvip-tf9rwEgypt is one of the worst places to have an airplane accident besides Italy. I suppose that applies to ship accidents too.
@@satunnainenkatselija4478 ship pilot*, guy who is local and control ship in dangerous enviroments, like canals
Nope. It's the captain's responsibility according to maritime law.
Another fantastic, informative story. I learn new information that I never had a clue of with every story you do. Can't get enough. Thanks 😉😉
Thanks Beverly.
I finally understand what happened! Thank you!
So glad you covered this!! Awesome work as always !
What I found intriguing was how that trading route blockage affected the planets consumption. I live in rural Canada with a tiny supermarket that even had missing/delayed products. Not from Ever Given but the hold up of other ships.
Let's hope the bad guys don't figure that out.
Yes it's incredible how interconnected it all is
Which bad guys?
@@MagnificentlyHighAlien I don't want to say it. Think Twins.
@@MagnificentlyHighAlien Sorry terrible clue. Think tall buildings.
@@anja2716 Ahh.
Oh they know.
I have to say, I’ve only been watching your content for about 2 months and I find it very well produced and focusing some very interesting topics, keep it coming
Thanks for saying so.
@@waterlinestories I love content producers that clearly have real knowledge of their content that shines through, it gets me to watch things I might never have found interesting otherwise 👍
I never knew it happened like that!
Also, the biggest thing we can learn from this is that 'just in time' logistics is a stupid idea and you need to carry inventory on site. This caused a worldwide shortage of cardboard.
But that will never change, thats just hiw the world works
@@larsmeijerink5471 It NEEDS to change, though. I remember when they first started using it. I said it was a shit idea then.
In my current job, I actively push against it, and push for keeping stock.
@@SkorpychanThere are so many events that proved this jango tower isn't best idea
@@vipvip-tf9rw It gets proven every week my groceries don't turn up there because things just weren't there in time to be picked.
Not even on site - just in country. And countries already do this for items that are naturally unstable. E.g. Canada has huuuuge stores of maple syrup. In order so they can stabilise the price if there's an issue one year etc.
"The first ship to go through the canal after the ever given had the chance to do the funiest thing in human history" -Someone funnier than me
Tough act to follow 🤣
I had car parts enroute from Japan for my new car that got damaged (2 months after owning it I hit a racoon that destroyed the front bumper)
Mitsubishi ended up explaining to me, that me and other people waiting for these parts that we could only get from Japan as they just had gotten these facelifts on the market in a rush. That we were stuck waiting a few months before we could get the parts as those parts in transit were sitting on a ship waiting to get unloaded thanks to that ship!
The suez canal port authority is like a mafia
'Like'?
I think this pretty much confirms it as organised crime.
It's more like a monopoly, the Egyptian government is more like the mafia.
The seizure of a ship & demanding $ for a situation their own employees are at fault for is completely criminal. It's also totally backwards
The Suez canal authority should be having to pay the ships owners for all the lost revenue from that vessel.. rather than the owners of the vessel having to pay the canal authority for the costs associated with recovering the ship.
If the ships captain was at fault, then yes.. but the captain has to cede control of the ship over to the canal authorities chosen pilots.
I'd say it would be much improved had the Brits been allowed to keep watch for a while longer... Instead the empires that constructed the golden egg laying goose basically gave it to a criminal regime in hopes of buying their loyalty in future geopolitical world building... I guess it kind of had that outcome in some regard, but mostly not 🤦♂️ I definitely don't agree with imperialism (Russia trying to take over Ukraine for instance) but sometimes letting other countries control infrastructure just works better... In such countries they usually just want money anyway, not the concept of keeping the global trade constantly improving, or power plants that are cleaner, more efficient, and safe. Road or rail that improves domestic and international delivery and quality of life... But on the flip side you end up with a CCP/Africa situation where they are basically getting scammed out of generational wealth sized resources for a promise of some half ass built infrastructure and plenty of cash payouts... Then again the resources were not likely to be domestically controlled and sold for atleast another century or more... 🤷♂️ It would just be interesting to see what an alternate history Suez Canal would look like in 2023 had it stayed under American or European control 🤔 I'm guessing it would be substantially enhanced and modernized over time... Or blown up in some terrorist attack or civil war... 😆 We really need to get those alternate reality time hopping machines working, so many questions to answer and curiosities to explore! 😂👍
@@berryreading4809 Blame Hitler; he ran the Empire out of money.
I would say they are more like debt collectors.
What a disaster this was. I knew sailors that were stuck in the canal. To say they were angry is an understatement . Totally changed the worlds shipping routes, and showed how important that canal really is ....
Evergreen has launched a new eco-ship, it's powered by batteries. It's called the Ever Ready.
🤣
They're also experimenting with a vessel powered by bioethanol, the Ever Clear
ever charging
Lol😂
Never given😂
this channel is so good man. glad to see the channel growing, keep up them great videos !
Getting paid for a disaster caused by your own incompetence. Nice scam when you can pull it off.
Imagine they did that every other month.
It's the incompetence if the captain who's responsible according to maritime law
I didn’t realize they held everyone captive for months!
Really glad to have found you. It would be nice to have a platform in which we would be able to voice our theories about why or what went behind the scenes in regards to some of these events - considering that there are so few details about them to be found in the proverbial "open waters".
Hm. Interesting. I'll have a think about that
You do.. this comment section
The quality of your research content and production are top notch as always 😊
This was so well done. Your videos have been my nightly routine and I can't wait for more. (: Thank you!
Thanks, I really appreciate that
Cannot believe that the global economy casts this much dependence on these incompetent people 🤦♂️
Imagine being so bad at your job that you broke the global economy
"Well, dammit, I DID ask if that was MY left for YOUR left!"
What if were facing each other?
@@waterlinestories "Hmm. Stand by, helm. In that case ... uh, lessee. Two trains leave the station at the same time. One heading east at 25 mph, the other heading west at 30 mph, so at what point ..." KRRASSSH!
@@waterlinestories STEER BY SEAMAN'S EYE! GO THAT-A-WAY DAMNIT! THAT-A-WAY! ;o)
@@waterlinestoriesMy guess is that they both go to their respective right. That’s what is supposed to happen when captaining horses, anyway.
That’s right. Ships pass port to port which means they occupy the right lane
Funny they sue when they allowed the ships entrance being fully aware of the storm and their pilots obviously were in control ,if it can be called that. I had a strong suspicion that this was indeed the situation.
Just found your channel .Watched a couple films.Well Done. NEW SUB
Welcome aboard
It's Egypt, they are not civil there
I miss evergreen, it was a fun time
Well , think that the Economic Pressure was the main reason. "Time is money". Quickly! Quickly! and also "Do your job" ! - we are living in a global madness ....
I remember this... They got the ship unstuck with little or no damage to the ship, nor the cargo it was carrying... However, while it was stuck, it stopped _ALL_ shipping, including other massive freighters and container carriers dead in their tracks in the Suez for 6 days, resulting in _HUGE_ delays and setbacks that cost billions in losses per day!
they can always go around Africa, so not all, but many
@@vipvip-tf9rw - That's why the Suez was constructed, though - so they could go from Asia and the Indian Ocean via the Arabian Sea to get to the Mediterranean Sea and out to the North Atlantic _without_ having to trudge that far south, all around, and up the entire continent of Africa, which back when the Suez was dug (mid 19th Century) would add another 3 weeks to a month for the journey! The Suez was also the inspiration behind construction of the Panama Canal around 50 years later, which allowed direct passage from the Atlantic to the Pacific via Panama (and vice versa) without all the extra time, distance, and fuel costs circling South America...
"I remember this"
Who doesn't? People who weren't born yet, perhaps
@@Cenentury0941- Why do you trolls get so butthurt about the slightest things you feel don't suit you in life? Didn't they teach you respect at the orphanage? Guess not!
Love your channel, I’ve always been interested in the ocean and your content is perfect
Glad to hear
Pilots know the local waterway but not the vessel
What a ginormous ordeal! They finally break free...the Captain asks, "where do we go now?" "The Great Bitter Lake." Captain; "of course." 😞🌹⚓
20,000 containers?!? It's hard to even imagine how large that ship is.
To be fair the pilots were under a huge amount of pressure. They should've refused the journey given the dimensions and weather they were dealing with. Given the importance of the canal tp all global carriers, the carriers should have been putting more money into maintenance and widening long ago.
Faster faster faster isn't always the best way
Really good video!
Thanks
Pilots are supposed to be independent of any employer and are immediately answerable to the Captain of the ship, who in theory is paying the pilot and therefore his direct employer. The Captain delegates the navigational conduct of the vessel to the pilot, or pilots in this case. It's the Captain's responsibility is to ensure that the ship and crew are fit enough to conform with the pilot's advice regarding the navigation of the vessel. If the Captain thinks that that it's too dangerous for a certain manoeuvre or if the ship has any deficiency to its machinery, equipment or crew he must inform the pilot. He must also inform the pilot of the limitations of the ship and its machinery, equipment and crew. The pilots must ensure that the Captain understands the nature of the intended passage, what restrictions exist and what and why they have planned; they also communicate with the shore control, tugs and other vessels in the vicinity in the local language, such communications must be relayed to the Captain to give a full understanding of the passage. The Captain can intervene at any time if he thinks the pilot is doing something, not planned without good reason, that the ship can't do or to minimise the damage that may be caused by the action or inaction of a pilot, or any other suitable reason. It's a complicated arrangement but has worked well for hundreds of years.
All above are well known and applauded. There is only one thing missing: discurs about amount of carton of Marlboro for each pilot involved.
Last dialogue heard on the bridge:
"I'll bet you can't make a u-turn here"
"Hold my beer!"
This is a really good channel. I've been binge watching your vids.. and need to get back to work.. oh well. Thanks for the great content.
I like that they asked for one tug boat.. 😂 they like we getting our moneys worth, and now we can all get a bonus this year.
Don't let a good crisis go to waste
@@waterlinestoriesthat’s right! Gotta get while the gettins good.
Canal ownership hand over to Egypt was a blender mistake
5:06 That reasoning makes sense. He has my vote.
Man, i dig this channel. There whole lotta shit i know nothing about and this channel is one of them..
🤣🤜🏻
I wonder what the law says about the importer. If you have a just in time production policy, who pays for the breakdown in your supply chain. Can one sue the carrier for loss in production/ income
Its a lot more complicated than that. When you ship something on a container ship, the law says you own a % of the ship which mean you are liable for any costs arising.
One of the considerations was that companies like Lenovo, Nike and Ikea would have to pay the costs of clearing the blockage and any damages.
Of course they have their own marine shipping insurance to cover those kinds of things. But their insurers will be underwritten by a larger insurer who will be underwritten by an even larger one and so the largest one or three end up with a large bill from all the smaller ones down stream.
The Ultimate Austin Powers to top all Austin Powers.
kinda smart as well if they did settle and get a tug boat on top of the money, long as its a good one thats a huge help to operations
I'm still just amazed at how big these ships are now...
So let me get this straight:
1) Any ship passing the Suez canal must be PILOTED by the Suez canal authority team (which the shipping company pays a large of money)
2) These Suez canal pilots are in charge of the piloting of the ship when the ship is moved through the canal
3) These Suez canal pilots break their own speed limit rule from 8 mph to 30 (!) mph and still seek damages from the shipping company?
Shouldn't the shipping company be asking for reimbursement from the Suez Canal Authority who were piloting the at the time of the accident
Honestly, it ended up sounding more like Egypt borrowed a few pages out of Somalia's SOP.
This is a great example of why a monopoly is bad. The Suez Canal Authority can get away with not only a major screw-up, but also with the victim of their incompetence having to pay them for the loss of business.
I caused the traffic jam and you have to pay me to unclog it cause it was your fault -Egypt
Just trying to tell my brother about this. Seems I didn't know what I was talking about but I do now !
Very good video 👍👌
Its hard to feel bad for any company that makes 9 billion a day.
It's almost like putting so many containers on one freighter is a bad idea.
I was just thinking we hadn't heard from you lately.
😁 Just trying to keep everything moving and onboarding new team members.
@@waterlinestories One incident that never leaves me is Zeebrugge?
I think I've got it on the list
As the ships get bigger this is a lesson, the Ever Given is not the biggest, amongst them though, that the bigger they are the easier it is for wind to move them.
Egyptians. Say no more
Did it have bow thrusters? Just wondered
Yes, but because the bow was impaled in the shore they wouldn't do much. The stern thrusters would have also been unable to shift the ship once aground, which is why it being sideways across the channel was such an issue. Thrusters are really just aids to manoeuvring, helping ships gently against docks and so on, and even a small tug has far more power than they do.
I wonder if that first excavator knows that he was internet famous for a minute.
Just wondering how much these ships are and the cargo on it? More then 1B? Thats alot to pay to get it back, would it be better off just to let them have it.
Cargo around $1B and a ship approaching $500mil I expect.
The problem is that if you let them have it then you have to go and get another one anyway to replace and so you pay. Then you have a competitor selling your product at a reduced price because they got it for free so it lowers the value of your product.
Ok, I must have missed something…. In the end, you state “…including one tugboat”. What do you mean? Was a tugboat destroyed?
Otherwise, great story! I’m still hoping you will do one on the MSC Flaminia….😊
Anyone who has worked in the Middle East will know that the locals react like this.
this is a result of corruption in the authorities, even after they want to recieve a big amount of cash, but on the first hand it is their fault, the ship should have sued the pilots and suez canal for what happen, its the canal and the pilots that has the authority but they blame the owner of the cargoship.
I find it insane that because a bunch of companys lost money the entire crew was basically held captive on that ship untill they got reinbursed but when a companys negligence causes a ship to sink like in your other videos nothing ever happens, nobody goes to jail
8:15 that picture was infamous. the tiny mouse saving the elephant
With only 10 feet of water from the hull to the bottom of the canal doesn't leave much room for error.
The canal can be make wider twice and make depth twice for better navigation using hopper dredgers 😮
To a layman it is the job of the pilots to plot the correct cause if there is a failure, then that is down to them unless there are exceptional circumstances but these two pilots were arguing with themselves, and with the captain, another point, one of the containers was due for a small British business and because of a huge amount of compensation that had to be paid. He had to pay increase fees for the shipment of his container even though he was not to blame in anyway.
Wind caused the biggest traffic jam in history. Pilots just failed to prevent it.
They mentioned putting (presumably loaded) containers in a lake.
Did they mean put them on a ship in the lake or were they just throwing loaded containers in a lake, presumably writing off whatever was in them?
They would've lifted the containers on a barge and then stacked them on the shore. No way you can just dump some containers (10,000 tons worth) into a lake, that would instantly become an environmental and marine traffic hazard, not to mention lawsuits from the owners of the cargo. But that big of a crane would've taken a week to arrive and they got the ship free before any of that.
Yes, they were going to throw the containers into the lake, they would then sink to the bottom and raise the water level thus freeing the ship.
So what's the story with that video of the pipeline ?
Yeah, I made the video based on a story I thought was interesting but it was a bit conspiracy which I got dragged over the coals for, so I took it down. It attracted some special characters.
@Waterline Stories ah ok thank you for the reply it was a good video as usual 😊
Suez Canal charges 500.000$ for a journey just to pass, one way journey insane
Ps Nike and Lenovo are just some small clients
That's the cheapest option
The real reason is.... Marlboro Cigarettes 😅😅😅
20k 20ft storage? That cant be right
Egyptian court (oxymoron) just took the crew hostage
I'm about as far from being an expert of anything but your work is what the media should strive to produce. May I suggest some shorts as they're easy to scroll through and watch whether the subject matter relates to the viewer or not. I drop what I'm doing for few and your videos is in that boat, pun intended. Thank you for putting out what television never did.
Thanks. I really appreciate that.
I've looked seriously at shorts and decided against it. To make a story that's 15 minutes long takes me and a small team about a week. To make 15 X 1 minute videos would take us about 2 weeks maybe a little longer.
We might actually get more views but that doesn't translate into ad revenue.
As much as I'd love to produce videos with no financial incentive the reality is that they cost a fair amount to produce.
If anything odd like to spend more and make better videos but shorts takes more time, costs more per minute of production and makes significantly less money which just doesn't make it viable at the moment.
From what I can gather from larger channels use that shorts actually hurts their long form content too.
For now I'm just going to concentrate on making the best videos I can in this format until I can grow enough to take a look at it again.
Thanks for your encouragement. I really do appreciate the feedback.
@@waterlinestories I find shorts really annoying so I'm happy to hear this!
I'm telling you, a Land Rover Defender, snatch strap and full noise would've got it unstock within 30 minutes!.😜😂
On a serious note😁, if I was the captain and the two pilots started arguing and countermanding orders, both would be getting knocked the fuck out and hoyd overboard😂
what i never could figure out about this whole mess is why nobody thought to bring in winch tractors.
Nothing on land is big enough to pull a ship that size, at least nothing that is sent (shipped...) there and assembled within a month...
Perhaps a modified crane from the petroleum industry, but modifying it, loading it onto a ship, sailing it to Egypt, loading it onto trucks, driving to the location and assembling the thing would take a few months.
Creating an anchor on shore that is large enough to pull a ship of that size would also be a few days if not weeks of digging, then pouring concrete and waiting a month for the concrete to harden...
A salvage vessel like the large two that were used is specifically made for this.
Like your channel, i watch a lot. However must just point out that the shown ships draft in relation to the depth of the Suez is 8.3 metres off the bottom which is 27 feet not 10 feet as stated?
Just saying 😊
The ship postponed the money in world cash flow. The ship itself was worth very little itself.
If the Egyptian pilot is at fault, then why did the Suez Canal authorities put a huge penalty on Evergreen Shipping Company.
Pilot won't pay billion$
Cause the pilots are employees of the Suez Canal Authority, meaning the SCA would be suing itself...
Strait up special ops mission
The pilots were squarely at fault IMO, they need to be retrained to handle the big ships.
Nope. It's the captain's responsibility according to maritime law.
Doesn't a ship like this have thrusters to help them maneuver? If so why wouldn't they work in this situation?
I dont know much about Boats…. But couldnt They use the boe thrusters?
They could use them. Wouldn't do anything... Just look at how much this ship weighs, some 265,876 tonnes...
You can strap a rocket to it, but with its bow and wavebreaker stuck tens of meters into clay and rock the ship is not going to move xD
Ever Jammed
Can you please use metric as well, not all of us know the imperial system.
This was during the GPUpocalypse when you couldn't buy new GPU's because of crypto mining, and the pandemic, so when this happened, everyone was saying there were millions of GPU's stuck on this ship, don't think there were, because when it finally got on it's way nothing changed, GPU's were still unobtanium.
It would be a complete miracle if speculative assets were invested into real-world assets that also had a speculative value like GPUs. The GPUpocalypse manifested itself like any other artificial shortage as most crypto mining operations were cloud hosted by existing cloud hosting sites and never actually existed except on paper. The rug existed for the pulling because you could always host a new website
Wasn’t it the pilots the ones that got the ship stuck
Nope. It's the captain who wasn't driving the ship. According to maritime law he's responsible
The evergreen was eventually grounded for good .
Oneis forced to feel that the two "pilots" were in fact former "bum-boat" boys from Port Said promoted beyond their capabilities!
Tens of thousands of ships passed without any problems. I'd say they are far more experienced than most captains
They did a little trolling
Why do you keep saying "Evergiven" while showing "evergreen?"
Evergreen is the company that owns the ship
Evergreen is the name of the company that owns the Evergiven ship.
I was there
who thought putting 3 captain on a single ship would be a good idea.
If we didn't globalize the economy as fast as possible this wouldn't have been a problem.
3:20 one was right, no doubt, greed lost this day