See the problem here is that Peter never thinks to play to their egos. "Otto, there's still some testing that needs to be done and in its current state its too dangerous to your brain. Your genius mind is far too valuable to risk and I don't want to see you get hurt. The world needs your brilliant mind intact."
It won't work. We need to build a villain, not prevent them. 😂 that's how superhero plots roll. But its kinda interesting to watch peter actually stopped a villain from becoming a villain. If only it were a game like mass effect that what you do affects them. And a perfect utopia ending would be having no super villains in the game 😂
Yea I hope Norman becomes the green goblin in the next game whenever that comes out I'm already wanting them to create a second game I hope it's as good as this one or better.
I love how Peter's always like "Alright listen Doc, I gotta run, but if I leave you here with these menacing, brain-deteriorating tentacles, do you *promise* not to do any more ominous things with them?" and Otto goes "Sure, sure." but then as soon as the door closes he's fucking slapping on an extra pair of tentacles and attaching flamethrowers to them or something.
Yeah right! Peter could have take the chip with him, and use it for progress in his and Doc's research. And Otto could have take a vacation, and none of this could have happened.
To be fair Peter Parker may be smart but that doesn't necessarily mean he's bright. Common sense is a whole other issue that his character can grapple with for plot purposes.
I really admire the relationship, teacher to student dynamic, and sympathetic villain angle that Doc Ock has in this game. It reminds me of a similar concept used for the character in the Spider-Man 2 film.
Ratchet Achenbach The best Sam Raimi one, maybe. I think Homecoming does a far better job with Peter's character, and just about everything else as well.
@@evandempsey7613 I don't know. For me the Peter's arc in Spiderman 2 is the best I ever seen in movies and the one who best summarizes the essence of the character, the responsability, the sacrifice, the loneliness, the doubts and finally the heroism. The train scene is for me the one that best shows in all the superheroes movies what means to be a hero.
Thing I noticed: the color palette for Spider Man in this game is red, white, and blue. The color palette for Doctor Octopus is green, black, and yellow. For the most part, complete inverses.
Also, their little themes/motifs start on the same first two notes. They must've kept the yellow sections smaller deliberately too as it's not totally opposite to blue and they kept it as the tiny suit piping/hems and led lights in the arms. But yeah, nice pickup!
Spidey and most his villains are usually represented by the contrasting colors of Red vs Green. The reason why a lot of Spidey’s rogues are green based (Goblin, Vulture, Mysterio, Doc Ock, etc) is bcs the creators knew green is the opposite of red
revenge... At this moment, he was already aware, what he was gonna do with those arms... Ruin Osborn one way or another... But with these neurochip stuck on neck, I think he lost his power to control his emotions... But yes, trimming would be excellent choice of career... That... Depends how short trimming you want, of course...
Remember this... Otto knew that peter was Spider-Man, and didn’t hesitate from trying to kill him. It just went to show that Otto was suffering much worse than what we all envisioned.
@@rudypujenkins6890 uh yeah, but he was definitely already planning the raft breakout and his revenge BEFORE the arms. In fact, the game specifically mentions that Otto's hubris is his fixation with revenge against Norman Osborn which started with the Mr Negative incident, and he had been planning his revenge since his diagnosis of the neurodegenerative disease
Not gonna lie. I played this game knowing that Doc Oc was getting set up to became the classic villain in the first couple scenes involving him but damnit this game made me feel like Peter Parker AND Spiderman, not just Spiderman, so when he revealed himself it still hit me. And that final scene "you knew... you KNEW!" hit me like a punch to the gut. that whole ending. Damnit. I wish i coulda saved him.
I didn't even feel like that until I played through the second time. I listened to Otto's recordings in the lab and by the time of Peter going through the scorpion poison mission, I was like "no Otto, I didn't- I wasn't-" I was trying to literally see it through Peter's eyes and got kinda emotional
@@areallymeanperson he would have seen that press conference on UA-cam or something. or seen Osborn lie about something else on TV on a different day. the fact that he immediately crushed the TV in this scene was merely for plot convenience, as the player doesn't want to sit through a time skip just to watch a 5 second scene of him crushing the TV
This is the prime example of how gameplay can help _tell_ a story, as opposed to being the conveyor to the next page. By giving you a degree of control over a situation that is collapsing into an unsalvageable mess with a disastrous outcome, you feel that same helplessness that he does-where every time you think you’ve found the solution it just gets worse
I absolutely love Doc Ock in this game. Peter Parker and Otto Octavius share such a compelling dynamic, which is honestly the best dynamic in the whole game, and one of the best, and most compelling quality aspects of the game overall. You share Peter and Otto’s motivation, and sympathize with Otto because of his friendship with Peter, his kind nature, and his sympathetic situation and goal. Otto was beautifully fleshed out and developed throughout the game, and you felt like part of it, because of how you interacted with his and Peter’s research, and shared their motivation. Once Otto starts getting worse emotionally, mentally, and physically, you sympathize with him even more, and understand why he’s becoming this way. Once he becomes Doc Ock after the tragic, but beautiful build up, he becomes menacing, calculating, and ambitious, and you can still understand and sympathize with him. I loved how they handled his mechanical arms as well. So fluid, and very detailed. Doc Ock is menacing and ambitious, but still sympathetic. He’s very well rounded in this game overall. I can’t sing his praises enough as a character. I also can’t sing this game’s praises enough either.
Honestly was rolling my eyes at first at this "twist" they were trying to pull with Doc Ock, but they made me really care. The panicked "oh no...I...I don't think I can fix this...!" you hear from Peter shows you how how close they are, but how these problems are cascading out of his control and I could FEEL his panic as it listed the risks. Even though I knew what would happen, I was hoping, like Peter, it wasn't going to happen.
@@abhijaik70 the way he says that makes me think he was still in full doc ock mode because the way he says it. To me it feels like a very loosely veiled threat.
Iirc he sends a final text message to peter before the jail break where peter acknowledges that he doesnt sound paranoid anymore but hopeful again. That wasnt doc ock either i think.
It was obvious what would happen, but man they made me think to myself, man I don't want this to happen. So much feelings between student and teacher struggling through success and failure, the way they admired each other, just added to the wait of betrayal.
@@crashpal well now spiderman miles morales Is out(not necessarily a sequel and not as good in my opinion). And they've set up a basic plot for a spiderman sequel game which I hope will come out sometime
This scene broke my heart.. the first half of the game and the trailers hypes My negative up as the main villain.. and Otto is such a very inspiring likable character in the first half of the game.. I thought otto was gonna be a villain for maybe a squeal but when you see the arms for the first time and see his personality change and all the way up to the boss battle it really touches your heart.. great acting plus plot twisting in this game.. possibly my favorite spidey story yet
What if Peter did this instead? Peter: You know what this calls for a celebration. Come on let’s go grab a bite. Get your mind off things we’ll take another crack at it soon. Otto: *thinks it over* You know what sure I could eat.
@@magednagyherzeldafashy2485 Heh essentially yeah, the main idea is get him out of that moment in the room alone during that that final breaking point that pushes him into villainy.
*At the restaurant* Otto: Waiter, hey, it's been nearly an hour, where is our food? Waiter: Relax, I only have two arms! Jeez! *Ominous music starts playing*
Actually, he had been planning the raft outbreak from the beginning of the game. Thankfully it was only a fantasy that was out of reach, until he put on the arms. Octavius says so himself. His egomaniacal and dangerous thoughts and inhibitions were always there due to his mistreatment from Osborn, but the neural network really set him free
It’s obvious he was gonna turn to Dock Ock but I still felt bad for him because of his motivation and what he went thru to push his project. Great storytelling.
I remember playing this, I saw the critical failure and thought "oh, no. It isn't what I think it is right? *Seizures: 38.7%* No... *Short/Long term memory loss
my favorite thing about doc ock and his character development is, it was not totally the neural interface what turned him into this. it just revealed the things that has been already there.
@@barisbal7782 His condition and hate for osborn (kept under control) peeled back layers already, the interface just finished the job. Not only was the interface driving him off the deep end, but the "limbic degeneraion" actually implied it was ACCELERATING his condition.
What's great about this scene is that in this moment, Otto is literally standing on the line that divides him from the Noble Dr. Otto Octavius, and the villainous Doctor Octopus. Despite having the mechanical arms, he wasn't 'Doc Ock' just yet. but, was teetering on the very edge of that fall. ..Normal Osborn gave him the final PUSH.
I love how Otto starts off arrogant and volatile, temporarily goes to his old self at around 5:20, then goes right back into rage mood immediately after seeing Norman on tv. What great acting. The dude who voices Otto is absolutely fantastic.
My favorite part about this sequence is they dont hide the malfunction behind some cutscene. The player themselves has to run through Ottos work, and they are the ones who discover the errors and find out that Otto is destroying his brain by using those arms. It makes Ottos fall so much more personal because, in a way, you were the one who warned Dr. Octavius, and you were the one he ignored to bring down Osborn.
Like how the game goes deeper into how the arms were made. How they are a result of a neuroscience/prosthetics project Peter and Octavius were working on.
"Look, Doc, I really want to help you with this mind-altering machine you jammed into your brain without adequate testing, but my ex-girlfriend keeps trying to jump into danger like a damn adrenaline junkie, while some black and white cartoon-looking motherf*cker keeps trying to blow up the Bowery. Talk later? Thanks."
Doc Ock as a tragic villain has been done before, but I felt like it was a lot more poignant in this game. We come to know how much of a pure optimist Octavius is; despite financial uncertainty and the need for revision after revision after revision, he's confident that he and Peter will accomplish something special and, consequently, change a lot of lives for the better. He sees Peter as more than a protégé or a coworker, but as a friend and fellow idealist that shares his vision of a brighter future through robotics and science. I think that's what makes it all the more tragic as we see Octavius gradually fly too close to the sun, and plummet into villainy: You don't even end up hating Otto when all is said and done, but mourn the man he used to be.
I agree like I spent the whole part of this game like “we can fix this” and the final fight I hated having to take down Otto and their final conversation broke me they did well with this villain reveal
I really love how Otto's mechanical arms are in this game but I can't help but wonder how they extend out of his back. Believe me, I'm not complaining about them it's just that the logistics of it are baffling
I agree the logistics of it make no sense, ( no way something that large and heavy duty could fold up into the tiny back harness) but ahhh well... they sure do look awesome.
This story fucking Hurts me in such an emotional level, the friendship they have is real, that's why I loved this game cause at the end i felt heartbroken because i really wanted for Otto to come back.
Carnage Ock was a one time thing. He worked in that game cause the story was already over the top and cheesy, and the chase was scary af. But in modern era, it wouldn't work at all
@@puffpuffpassmako If the post credits scene of the new venom movie is anything to go by, they're going to dare to find a way to make it work. Am I the only one who actually liked the new venom?
Although Doctor Octopus is definitely the main antagonist of the game, Norman Osborn serves a great overarching antagonist and Mister Negative a good secondary antagonist. If the secret ending is to be believed I think that the Green Goblin will serve the role of Doctor Octopus and Venom will serve the role of Mister Negative
People are forgeting that what makes Ock bad is not being "controled" by the arms but the brain damage the electrical system of the arms makes which expose him to an enhanced sensibility to his emotions.
3:54 I love that the test results show "yellow" for a 38.7% risk of seizures - apparently only risk factors of 90% of likelihood or greater are considered red flags lmao.
It looks really good when he pours the drink. Nowhere near indistinguishable from real life, but I have played soooo many great looking games that, when it came time for a character to pour a drink, the graphics of the fluid always looked distractingly bad. I'm sure there are reasons and it doesn't bother me anyway, but this stood out as the best pouring sim I have seen on a console game that I can think of.
2020Surya S315 well though they have set him up I’d be fine with Osborn(as long he goes down hard, brutal, and satisfying) other villains I’d want are Venom(both Harry and Eddie Brock), Carnage, Mysterio, Lizard, Prowler(antagonist at first), Kraven the hunter, Hobgoblin, and I’d want Kingpin, Dock Ock, Electro, And Black Cat to return
Real_Slim_Shady they could come up with something related to Harry and his condition. From that concept it’s possible to scrounge up what empathy we can find inside Norman’s character and put a new perspective on the players. Then again I still prefer him as a total douche
I like how ps4 Dr. Octavius gave all he's got just to get the claws working, whereas spider-man 2 Dr. Octavius was just like "here's a demo of the sun in the palm of my hands and oh BTW nevermind these claws I just cooked them up so I can use them to play with the SUN"
It's funny because, in the comics, he's a mixture of the two. The arms were just something that he simply used to handle dangerous chemicals and radioactive substances from afar, which had already earned him the nickname "Doctor Octopus" (so like the 2004 movie). It's only after an explosion bonds his arms onto him and _damages his brain_ (so like the PS4 game) that he becomes a villain. Granted, at the end of the run where Otto had become Superior Spider-Man once again, it was revealed that he already had the personality of a villain and the brain damage had simply aggravated this predisposition. Though, my understanding is that the PS4 Otto secretly always believed himself to be superior as well.
When Peter told Dr. Oc. that more time is needed and Dr. Oc. interjected saying, "WE'VE HAD ENOUGH" and struck the floor with one of the mechanical arms, I almost skipped a heartbeat.
I remember almost wanting to cry as soon as the second pair of mechanical arms came out. I could feel Peter’s failure and knew I was gonna have to fight Otto at the end
the rise and fall of otto is crafted so beautifully into this story, you know its coming but you hold out hope. then the switch flips and you just watch as otto plummets into osborn killing murder mind and peter had the potential to save him but always seems to say the wrong thing
"It works beautifully! Take a look!!" *Probability of seizures...38.7%* *Probability of short term memory loss...40.4%* *Probability of long term memory loss...62.3%* *Probability of limbic degradation...98.3%* *Probability of frontal lobe edema...94.8%* *High Risk of Mood or Personality shift* *DISCONTINUE USE IMMEDIATELY* ...works beautifully indeed.
A lot of people complain about the circuit rerouting minigame, but I feel it was worth it for this moment, when you go "Jeez, I've done all this stuff correctly before, it's not that difficult. Either Doc's mental state has deteriorated so badly he didn't even notice all these obvious mistakes, or he was so desperate he just bulldozed through without thinking."
Otto is such an interesting character because it’s hard to tell when he’s being genuine and when he’s being manipulative. We know that by the time we meet Otto he experiencing small side effects of his degenerative neurological disorder. But what we don’t know is how long had he been planning his revenge against Osborn. During or before? It’s hard to tell because the game takes place around a month or two and it’s hard to pin point when Otto started working on it. But i have a feeling that it was always in the back of his mind. He never acted on it but definitely didn’t let go of the idea either. was he affected during or before the interface? it’s quite possible that the interface only amplified his disorder and his emotional state as well. I don’t know, I haven’t played the game in a while and maybe i’m missing some key points about his character but he’s definitely a very interesting and brilliantly written character as well.
Here is my take on it. I hope you don't mind me inserting Martin Li in here too. Like Martin Li, he clearly hated Osborn albeit for slightly different reasons. Both of them tried to move on from their respective problems with him and genuinely try to help people. Clearly they were both passionate about what they were doing and both of them clearly felt a connection with someone else (Peter for Otto, Aunt May for Li) to the point that they left behind a confession about what they were doing. Ultimately, they found that they couldn't escape Norman and their hatred grew as time went on. They also had certain things influencing them to help bring out their hatred (for Otto his disorder and the interface, for Li his demon which had stated he could no longer hold back) and increase it. So to answer your question, it seems that Otto at first was likely just bitter at Norman but as time went by he began planning to take revenge. We can see hints of his plans around the lab as time goes on and we can tell that he is getting more and more desperate. I think his desperation is out of a desire to have a success to counteract Osborn, to convince himself that he doesn't need to take revenge this way. That doesn't end up happing and eventually he like Li before him ends up giving into his hatred. The interface likely helped to remove any remaining inhibitions he might have had. Just my take on it.
"Long term memory loss... frontal lobe-" "Those are really fun games that we play together!" "Doc, did you make a... self-destructive... prosthetic for yourself? "Mm-hm! Yeah! It's... really fun. You should try one." "Why would you do something like that?" "I'm bored! I was very bored! But now I'm not, see, I've- I got... more arms! Look!"
i love how when the game first came out, we were all excited, but we were all like, "well, the Mr negative twist was sorta spoiled, so what else could this game-" and then we meet otto, and we're like "...oh"
Still have a hard time understanding how the arms could fold or compress enough to get all the way into the containers on his back to reveal themselves the way they did. Also, while they're retracted into Otto's back, he can still walk fairly well which means they must be extremely light; probably because of the carbon fiber shell. Don't even get me started on their durability also thanks to the carbon fiber shell. His boss fight is straight up madness. Those things can take the Electric Webs, Web Bombs and every beating from Peter. Durable as hell! He was never able to beat him without taking off or disturbing the neuro-transmitter, not even in the Spider-Man 2 movie! Those specific arms however were able to withstand a substance with a property similar to the sun (apparently). He beat Electro and Vulture in a pair and Rhino and Scorpion in a pair and Mr. Negative while under his influence. Couldn't beat Otto though fair and square though. Crazy.
The simple fact that they made Otto so likable and made me think he was gonna be an aditional final boss (like Clayface in Arkham City) and catching me by surprise that he was behind everything all along is what makes this the best spider man story period!
Should've asked Norman for help. He's something of a scientist himself.
This needs more likes lol
@@Howlingburd19 same
Can the Spiderman come out to Play🤣
Well in the playstaionverse norman isnt a scientist yet SO that means that green goblin wasnt born
@@DB87_Official lol yeah he is, he founded oscorp decades earlier, he was a scientist before a businessman and politician
"It works beautifully! "
Peter: *Does research*
*Finds at least a thousand errors*
The codes actually works pretty fine, until Peter touch it, then come the bugs.
@@RezaZhafiri No, it already had a problem that would cause even more problems.
So bethesda games then
@@RezaZhafiri Kinda Ironic
And they call Octavius genius...
See the problem here is that Peter never thinks to play to their egos.
"Otto, there's still some testing that needs to be done and in its current state its too dangerous to your brain. Your genius mind is far too valuable to risk and I don't want to see you get hurt. The world needs your brilliant mind intact."
Captain_Hat that’s kind of the plot of every spider man movie/show
Yeah an Peter mess up with all the codes
Captain_Hat Omg get out of my brain!
Almost no Superhero thinks to play to the ego. A little diplomacy goes a long way.
It won't work. We need to build a villain, not prevent them. 😂 that's how superhero plots roll. But its kinda interesting to watch peter actually stopped a villain from becoming a villain. If only it were a game like mass effect that what you do affects them. And a perfect utopia ending would be having no super villains in the game 😂
Man, Norman Osborn really brings out the worst in people.
Don't be so negative.
@@FutureDeep Have you forgotten that he was indirectly the one responsible for creating Mr. Negative and Doctor Octopus in this game?
Yea I hope Norman becomes the green goblin in the next game whenever that comes out I'm already wanting them to create a second game I hope it's as good as this one or better.
Aaron Nantz I would also like to see sandman, lizard and venom in the next game as well.
So tony stark in MCU lol
I love how Peter's always like "Alright listen Doc, I gotta run, but if I leave you here with these menacing, brain-deteriorating tentacles, do you *promise* not to do any more ominous things with them?" and Otto goes "Sure, sure." but then as soon as the door closes he's fucking slapping on an extra pair of tentacles and attaching flamethrowers to them or something.
Yeah right! Peter could have take the chip with him, and use it for progress in his and Doc's research. And Otto could have take a vacation, and none of this could have happened.
@@markmitin7397 But where's the fun in that, amirite? 😋
Wouldn't you?
To be fair Peter Parker may be smart but that doesn't necessarily mean he's bright. Common sense is a whole other issue that his character can grapple with for plot purposes.
@@Gshift Fun is less important then people's lives ;) With great power comes great responsibility
I really admire the relationship, teacher to student dynamic, and sympathetic villain angle that Doc Ock has in this game. It reminds me of a similar concept used for the character in the Spider-Man 2 film.
Mr. Slim Probably the only good part of those movies besides pizza time.
Thats the only way to do it imo
@@evandempsey7613 What? Spiderman 2 is the best Spiderman movie.
Ratchet Achenbach The best Sam Raimi one, maybe. I think Homecoming does a far better job with Peter's character, and just about everything else as well.
@@evandempsey7613 I don't know. For me the Peter's arc in Spiderman 2 is the best I ever seen in movies and the one who best summarizes the essence of the character, the responsability, the sacrifice, the loneliness, the doubts and finally the heroism. The train scene is for me the one that best shows in all the superheroes movies what means to be a hero.
The facial animation in this game is very good.
Unlike the new Avengers game
SitoP Segura Yeah. The unfinished new Avengers game
SitoP Segura that brief teaser showcasing all means of unfinished graphics really did give us an idea on how the game will turn out eventually huh?
@@Heyoo414 unfinished?? Its coming out next year, There's still work to be done
Nexus Hyper No shit
Thing I noticed: the color palette for Spider Man in this game is red, white, and blue. The color palette for Doctor Octopus is green, black, and yellow. For the most part, complete inverses.
Yeah.
I like this design significantly more.
Also, their little themes/motifs start on the same first two notes.
They must've kept the yellow sections smaller deliberately too as it's not totally opposite to blue and they kept it as the tiny suit piping/hems and led lights in the arms.
But yeah, nice pickup!
Almost like Thor and Loki in a way.
Spidey and most his villains are usually represented by the contrasting colors of Red vs Green. The reason why a lot of Spidey’s rogues are green based (Goblin, Vulture, Mysterio, Doc Ock, etc) is bcs the creators knew green is the opposite of red
octavio putting bladed spikes on the claws were a huge red flag. what was he gunna use the claws for? trimming the hedges?
revenge... At this moment, he was already aware, what he was gonna do with those arms... Ruin Osborn one way or another... But with these neurochip stuck on neck, I think he lost his power to control his emotions... But yes, trimming would be excellent choice of career... That... Depends how short trimming you want, of course...
Well hey, they gotta be trimmed sometime
climbing.
@@YoonSooSuh Why would Dr Octopus exclusively murder homosexuals and disabled people? Did he turn into a nazi? Hail Hydra?
Randall Flagg ehh nice try at an edgy joke, you get a A for effort I guess.
Remember this... Otto knew that peter was Spider-Man, and didn’t hesitate from trying to kill him. It just went to show that Otto was suffering much worse than what we all envisioned.
@Gamer ForFun - The look back he gave after the Sinister Six fight showed that he still had some feeling for Peter and his safety.
@@rudypujenkins6890 uh yeah, but he was definitely already planning the raft breakout and his revenge BEFORE the arms. In fact, the game specifically mentions that Otto's hubris is his fixation with revenge against Norman Osborn which started with the Mr Negative incident, and he had been planning his revenge since his diagnosis of the neurodegenerative disease
First encounter was him leaving him wounded but alive and with a warning: To stay out of their way or else.
It was only later that he went murderous.
then why did he told the bad guys not to kill spiderman
Actually if otto didnt know he would’ve slaughtered peter when he tried to kill osborn
The Voice actor for Octavius is Amazing! He really deserves more recognition.
That would be none other than William Salyers, known as the voice of Rigby from regular show.
I didn’t want to fight rigby but we all had to
he voiced many video game character
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@@gamingawesomeness222 I forget that he was rigby. Geez it's been awhile.
Also he's played Yoshida in P5 btw
Not gonna lie. I played this game knowing that Doc Oc was getting set up to became the classic villain in the first couple scenes involving him but damnit this game made me feel like Peter Parker AND Spiderman, not just Spiderman, so when he revealed himself it still hit me. And that final scene "you knew... you KNEW!" hit me like a punch to the gut. that whole ending. Damnit. I wish i coulda saved him.
Karnacle Blackburn I knew he knew the second he saw his suit
IGN: the game makes you feel like batman
Insomniac's take on Doc Ock has got to be my most favorite.
Karnacle Blackburn I hate Norman Osborn lol
I didn't even feel like that until I played through the second time. I listened to Otto's recordings in the lab and by the time of Peter going through the scorpion poison mission, I was like "no Otto, I didn't- I wasn't-" I was trying to literally see it through Peter's eyes and got kinda emotional
if that tv wasn’t on none of this would have happened
butterfly effect there amirite
Nope he planned it all along. The tv just fueled his anger a bit
Patrick Richardson right? He planned this since the beginning did he not?
Consider the TV to be the last straw or something, he may have planned it, but he was pushed to actually carrying it out
If not the TV, some other thing would have let to this point within the next few hours or days...
@@areallymeanperson he would have seen that press conference on UA-cam or something. or seen Osborn lie about something else on TV on a different day. the fact that he immediately crushed the TV in this scene was merely for plot convenience, as the player doesn't want to sit through a time skip just to watch a 5 second scene of him crushing the TV
Can't believe this was almost 4 years ago. So much nostalgia in this game.
3 years actually
@@Mahogany097 It is now
Imagine Dr. Octavius took off the suit and told Peter to try it.
𝐒𝐩𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐫-𝐎𝐜𝐤
*Superior Spider-Man*
Spider Octopus.
Actually a true spider with 8 legs
NitroVAC spider ock
The Superior Octo-Spider
This is the prime example of how gameplay can help _tell_ a story, as opposed to being the conveyor to the next page. By giving you a degree of control over a situation that is collapsing into an unsalvageable mess with a disastrous outcome, you feel that same helplessness that he does-where every time you think you’ve found the solution it just gets worse
Dr.Robotnik:"5:50"
I absolutely love Doc Ock in this game. Peter Parker and Otto Octavius share such a compelling dynamic, which is honestly the best dynamic in the whole game, and one of the best, and most compelling quality aspects of the game overall. You share Peter and Otto’s motivation, and sympathize with Otto because of his friendship with Peter, his kind nature, and his sympathetic situation and goal. Otto was beautifully fleshed out and developed throughout the game, and you felt like part of it, because of how you interacted with his and Peter’s research, and shared their motivation.
Once Otto starts getting worse emotionally, mentally, and physically, you sympathize with him even more, and understand why he’s becoming this way. Once he becomes Doc Ock after the tragic, but beautiful build up, he becomes menacing, calculating, and ambitious, and you can still understand and sympathize with him. I loved how they handled his mechanical arms as well. So fluid, and very detailed. Doc Ock is menacing and ambitious, but still sympathetic. He’s very well rounded in this game overall. I can’t sing his praises enough as a character. I also can’t sing this game’s praises enough either.
I already played the story 3 times and currently finishing it for a 4th time, Peter and Otto's story is what made me replay it.
Doc Oct almost effectively killed Otto Octavius
DAMNNN. This is what graphics look like now. Haven't played anything since about 2011
You've been missing out on a lot my friend.
If you think this is good, look at Uncharted 4.
and Horizon Zero Dawn
@@harrymadferit7807 spiderman has better graphics
You have to see games with raytracing sometime if you haven't seen it before...it looks AMAZING
Honestly was rolling my eyes at first at this "twist" they were trying to pull with Doc Ock, but they made me really care. The panicked "oh no...I...I don't think I can fix this...!" you hear from Peter shows you how how close they are, but how these problems are cascading out of his control and I could FEEL his panic as it listed the risks. Even though I knew what would happen, I was hoping, like Peter, it wasn't going to happen.
I rolled my eyes reading this comment
@@jinchuriki7022 me too
Did this scene make you FEEL like a distressed Spider-Man?
Do you know the term, dramatic irony?
This was not even meant to be a twist.
Christian Harris XD
5:29 If you think about it, these are the last words he says to Peter as Octavius, rather than as Doctor Octopus.
"And of course, you'll rest easy knowing your secret is safe with me"
@@abhijaik70 the way he says that makes me think he was still in full doc ock mode because the way he says it. To me it feels like a very loosely veiled threat.
Iirc he sends a final text message to peter before the jail break where peter acknowledges that he doesnt sound paranoid anymore but hopeful again. That wasnt doc ock either i think.
Octavius
trusts me Peter that much. He helped him with his research, encouraged him when he had a hard time, and Octavius was like Peter's father...
Sonic:"0:52"Lyric:"0:55"
It was obvious what would happen, but man they made me think to myself, man I don't want this to happen. So much feelings between student and teacher struggling through success and failure, the way they admired each other, just added to the wait of betrayal.
This storyline of spiderman is the best. Perfect in every way.
It is pretty amazing
problem is can the sequel top this?
@@crashpal The best way to go about playing the sequel is assuming that it won't. Like movies, extreme expectations can kill video games.
@@crashpal well now spiderman miles morales Is out(not necessarily a sequel and not as good in my opinion). And they've set up a basic plot for a spiderman sequel game which I hope will come out sometime
This scene broke my heart.. the first half of the game and the trailers hypes My negative up as the main villain.. and Otto is such a very inspiring likable character in the first half of the game.. I thought otto was gonna be a villain for maybe a squeal but when you see the arms for the first time and see his personality change and all the way up to the boss battle it really touches your heart.. great acting plus plot twisting in this game.. possibly my favorite spidey story yet
THE PRECIOUS TRITIUM!
YOU'RE A HACK!
Brilliant but lazy.
Rubberband
Butterfingers
*:3*
What if Peter did this instead?
Peter: You know what this calls for a celebration. Come on let’s go grab a bite. Get your mind off things we’ll take another crack at it soon.
Otto: *thinks it over* You know what sure I could eat.
“Here is a snickers doc, you are not you when you’re hungry!”
@@magednagyherzeldafashy2485 Heh essentially yeah, the main idea is get him out of that moment in the room alone during that that final breaking point that pushes him into villainy.
*At the restaurant*
Otto: Waiter, hey, it's been nearly an hour, where is our food?
Waiter: Relax, I only have two arms! Jeez!
*Ominous music starts playing*
I feel sorry for otto. he was a good man but the arms warped his mind.
it was more than that. Normon Osborn was shutting him down and taking Otto's work for himself
Actually, he had been planning the raft outbreak from the beginning of the game. Thankfully it was only a fantasy that was out of reach, until he put on the arms. Octavius says so himself. His egomaniacal and dangerous thoughts and inhibitions were always there due to his mistreatment from Osborn, but the neural network really set him free
It’s obvious he was gonna turn to Dock Ock but I still felt bad for him because of his motivation and what he went thru to push his project.
Great storytelling.
Lester Crest after the events of GTA.
Konigin Jaegera Lmfaoo now i can't unsee this.
Your welcome.
And a little bit fit 😂
I was gonna say the same thing
LMAO!
I remember playing this, I saw the critical failure and thought "oh, no. It isn't what I think it is right?
*Seizures: 38.7%*
No...
*Short/Long term memory loss
Jackson Holt lol I was freaking out also thinking, “oh no this is it, it’s starting”
I freaked out when I saw the goggles and suit
my favorite thing about doc ock and his character development is, it was not totally the neural interface what turned him into this. it just revealed the things that has been already there.
@@barisbal7782 His condition and hate for osborn (kept under control) peeled back layers already, the interface just finished the job. Not only was the interface driving him off the deep end, but the "limbic degeneraion" actually implied it was ACCELERATING his condition.
Whole time during the last act i was acreamimg "dammit Otto
Damn wish I had robot octopus arms
Small ones though
And no damage to the brain and all that stuff
you have one! its your third leg ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Same my guy
blacks have third arms. they are tripods.
so no octopus arms then
Maybe if he gave the arms AI like in the movie it could potentially improve his mind if they were connected
What's great about this scene is that in this moment, Otto is literally standing on the line
that divides him from the Noble Dr. Otto Octavius, and the villainous Doctor Octopus.
Despite having the mechanical arms, he wasn't 'Doc Ock' just yet.
but, was teetering on the very edge of that fall.
..Normal Osborn gave him the final PUSH.
Norman Osborn MUST become the Green Goblin in the next game. Then, I can have the pleasure of kicking his butt for all the crap he pulled on Octavius.
He just had to turn on the tv while working on those arms
@@kamentrainerhorn2073 for all the crap he pulled on literally everyone.
@@tyrantking2322
If only he didn't have the news on. He shoulda watched something else, like Regular Show or Ben 10.
Insanity is like gravity...
I cant be the only one who was always scared shitless of doc ock 's arms ever since the old games right?
You probably are
Yeah ever since I seen him in action I always thought they were awsome
I love how Otto starts off arrogant and volatile, temporarily goes to his old self at around 5:20, then goes right back into rage mood immediately after seeing Norman on tv. What great acting. The dude who voices Otto is absolutely fantastic.
DOCTOR OCTAGONAPUS!
(yes i'm old.)
i clicked on this video just for this comment
Damn, now i feel old.
BLLAAAAAAAAARRRRGH
I remember this meme
*DOCTOROCTOMOTHERFUCKINGGONAPUS BLAAAAAARRRRRGGGG!!!!*
"Otto, You're not a failure"
Man... The way he talks.. He really cared about him.
“Dr octavius” gives me chills every time some of the greatest voice acting I’ve ever heard
Do you see how they brilliantly used lighting to show the mood changes and dark/bright side of Otto?
I'm so impressed.
My favorite part about this sequence is they dont hide the malfunction behind some cutscene. The player themselves has to run through Ottos work, and they are the ones who discover the errors and find out that Otto is destroying his brain by using those arms. It makes Ottos fall so much more personal because, in a way, you were the one who warned Dr. Octavius, and you were the one he ignored to bring down Osborn.
Octavius bought tech from AIM and Hammer Industries! You may as well have duct tape holding those arms together cause that's what that amounts to
Like how the game goes deeper into how the arms were made. How they are a result of a neuroscience/prosthetics project Peter and Octavius were working on.
"No, this tech doesn't have villain potential at all"
"Look, Doc, I really want to help you with this mind-altering machine you jammed into your brain without adequate testing, but my ex-girlfriend keeps trying to jump into danger like a damn adrenaline junkie, while some black and white cartoon-looking motherf*cker keeps trying to blow up the Bowery. Talk later? Thanks."
5:16 You should’ve stayed to help him Peter.
Doc Ock as a tragic villain has been done before, but I felt like it was a lot more poignant in this game. We come to know how much of a pure optimist Octavius is; despite financial uncertainty and the need for revision after revision after revision, he's confident that he and Peter will accomplish something special and, consequently, change a lot of lives for the better. He sees Peter as more than a protégé or a coworker, but as a friend and fellow idealist that shares his vision of a brighter future through robotics and science. I think that's what makes it all the more tragic as we see Octavius gradually fly too close to the sun, and plummet into villainy: You don't even end up hating Otto when all is said and done, but mourn the man he used to be.
I agree like I spent the whole part of this game like “we can fix this” and the final fight I hated having to take down Otto and their final conversation broke me they did well with this villain reveal
My favourite thing about Otto is that he'd always listen when you talk science with him. You can feel the passion seeping through
This Dr Octopus looks like some average old man on the supermarket 😂😂
The sad thing is that this version of Otto actually seems like a really nice guy
Dr Otto reminds me of Danny devito
@@7sidedmint136 what is this? Twins??
"May I offer you an egg in this trying time, Peter?"
@@jedimojojojo1603 Yep!
Right
If the MCU ever decide to bring Doc Ock back; I WANT DANNY DEVITO
I was gonna say he kind of reminds me of Chevy Chase too.
Fun fact Otto is voiced by the same guy who voiced Rigby on Regular Show
“Now run along. I suggest you leave me to my devices unsupervised.”
When Sweet Victory is about to play at the Super Bowl but Travis Scott replaces it after the intro.
6:04
I remember seeing his jumpsuit hanging on the wall and his goggles on the desk and knew instantly; everything was about to go horribly wrong
Peter’s face shows mesmerizing emotion here! I can’t for the life of me see any need to change him.
I really love how Otto's mechanical arms are in this game but I can't help but wonder how they extend out of his back. Believe me, I'm not complaining about them it's just that the logistics of it are baffling
Maybe they made of nanomachine
Or maybe they retract like professional camera shutters.
I agree the logistics of it make no sense, ( no way something that large and heavy duty could fold up into the tiny back harness) but ahhh well... they sure do look awesome.
This story fucking Hurts me in such an emotional level, the friendship they have is real, that's why I loved this game cause at the end i felt heartbroken because i really wanted for Otto to come back.
I made a lego model of this version of Doc Oc. I'm really proud of this creation, since it's an ultrabuild like version!😆
And boy am I glad that Carnage Ock isn't in this game.
Don't forget the Atrocity from edge of time
How could I forget about that? Still think Monster Ock would of been much worse.
Let alone having Carnage appear.
Carnage Ock was a one time thing. He worked in that game cause the story was already over the top and cheesy, and the chase was scary af. But in modern era, it wouldn't work at all
@@puffpuffpassmako If the post credits scene of the new venom movie is anything to go by, they're going to dare to find a way to make it work. Am I the only one who actually liked the new venom?
I still have nightmares.
Whoever did the voice acting for Otto really made the character.
The acting in this game is just on point.
I still think outside of the comics, this or Spectacular is the best interpretation of Spider-Man
Although Doctor Octopus is definitely the main antagonist of the game, Norman Osborn serves a great overarching antagonist and Mister Negative a good secondary antagonist. If the secret ending is to be believed I think that the Green Goblin will serve the role of Doctor Octopus and Venom will serve the role of Mister Negative
Doctor Octopus and Mister Negative are both the main antagonists
People are forgeting that what makes Ock bad is not being "controled" by the arms but the brain damage the electrical system of the arms makes which expose him to an enhanced sensibility to his emotions.
4:50 before the bad things. Poor Otto. I feel bad for him and I understand him.
Otto: Everything has problems if you look hard enough.
Peter couldn’t even get past 24% without finding an error.
3:54 I love that the test results show "yellow" for a 38.7% risk of seizures - apparently only risk factors of 90% of likelihood or greater are considered red flags lmao.
Honestly I remember alot of people complaining about how short this game was, but for me it was one of the best written games ever
It looks really good when he pours the drink. Nowhere near indistinguishable from real life, but I have played soooo many great looking games that, when it came time for a character to pour a drink, the graphics of the fluid always looked distractingly bad. I'm sure there are reasons and it doesn't bother me anyway, but this stood out as the best pouring sim I have seen on a console game that I can think of.
I love how even though the claws can be so destructive can even do the most delicate of tasks.
I loved dr octopus in this game one of my favorite spider-man villains 🥰
Excellent tragic villain.
Corwin Kelly I just want a true tragic villain to win for once
2020Surya S315 which one? Better not be Osborn
2020Surya S315 nah but I hate Osborn and don’t sympathize with him at all. I mean someone like Killmonger, Black Adam, Syndrome, Ock, etc(imho)
2020Surya S315 well though they have set him up I’d be fine with Osborn(as long he goes down hard, brutal, and satisfying) other villains I’d want are Venom(both Harry and Eddie Brock), Carnage, Mysterio, Lizard, Prowler(antagonist at first), Kraven the hunter, Hobgoblin, and I’d want Kingpin, Dock Ock, Electro, And Black Cat to return
Real_Slim_Shady they could come up with something related to Harry and his condition. From that concept it’s possible to scrounge up what empathy we can find inside Norman’s character and put a new perspective on the players. Then again I still prefer him as a total douche
I like how ps4 Dr. Octavius gave all he's got just to get the claws working, whereas spider-man 2 Dr. Octavius was just like "here's a demo of the sun in the palm of my hands and oh BTW nevermind these claws I just cooked them up so I can use them to play with the SUN"
It's funny because, in the comics, he's a mixture of the two.
The arms were just something that he simply used to handle dangerous chemicals and radioactive substances from afar, which had already earned him the nickname "Doctor Octopus" (so like the 2004 movie).
It's only after an explosion bonds his arms onto him and _damages his brain_ (so like the PS4 game) that he becomes a villain.
Granted, at the end of the run where Otto had become Superior Spider-Man once again, it was revealed that he already had the personality of a villain and the brain damage had simply aggravated this predisposition.
Though, my understanding is that the PS4 Otto secretly always believed himself to be superior as well.
This still better than the new remastered version
When Peter told Dr. Oc. that more time is needed and Dr. Oc. interjected saying, "WE'VE HAD ENOUGH" and struck the floor with one of the mechanical arms, I almost skipped a heartbeat.
it doesn’t even feel like this game came out 3 years ago
Onetakechuks
I swear, this game is better than every spiderman movies! The story, the characters, everything is so perfect!
I remember almost wanting to cry as soon as the second pair of mechanical arms came out. I could feel Peter’s failure and knew I was gonna have to fight Otto at the end
Best superhero game I ever played! The characters, the music, the graphics, the gameplay, the story, everything!
the rise and fall of otto is crafted so beautifully into this story, you know its coming but you hold out hope. then the switch flips and you just watch as otto plummets into osborn killing murder mind and peter had the potential to save him but always seems to say the wrong thing
"Check it out, a new prosthetic!"
"Nice... but why did you make them scary as fuck?"
The voice acting in this scene is amazing
"It works beautifully! Take a look!!"
*Probability of seizures...38.7%*
*Probability of short term memory loss...40.4%*
*Probability of long term memory loss...62.3%*
*Probability of limbic degradation...98.3%*
*Probability of frontal lobe edema...94.8%*
*High Risk of Mood or Personality shift*
*DISCONTINUE USE IMMEDIATELY*
...works beautifully indeed.
We will miss you OG Peter Parker. Gone but not forgotten.
This looks real af. Its dope
0:07 wait wait wait. AIM? Is that you?
Man the CG close up looked nasty good. Props to those animators
He’s in for an unforgettable lunchin
A lot of people complain about the circuit rerouting minigame, but I feel it was worth it for this moment, when you go "Jeez, I've done all this stuff correctly before, it's not that difficult. Either Doc's mental state has deteriorated so badly he didn't even notice all these obvious mistakes, or he was so desperate he just bulldozed through without thinking."
Marvel's Spider-Man Remastered 2020 Peter Parker's new Face model trailer:
"Look how they massacred my boy!"
Otto is such an interesting character because it’s hard to tell when he’s being genuine and when he’s being manipulative. We know that by the time we meet Otto he experiencing small side effects of his degenerative neurological disorder. But what we don’t know is how long had he been planning his revenge against Osborn. During or before? It’s hard to tell because the game takes place around a month or two and it’s hard to pin point when Otto started working on it. But i have a feeling that it was always in the back of his mind. He never acted on it but definitely didn’t let go of the idea either. was he affected during or before the interface? it’s quite possible that the interface only amplified his disorder and his emotional state as well. I don’t know, I haven’t played the game in a while and maybe i’m missing some key points about his character but he’s definitely a very interesting and brilliantly written character as well.
Here is my take on it. I hope you don't mind me inserting Martin Li in here too. Like Martin Li, he clearly hated Osborn albeit for slightly different reasons. Both of them tried to move on from their respective problems with him and genuinely try to help people. Clearly they were both passionate about what they were doing and both of them clearly felt a connection with someone else (Peter for Otto, Aunt May for Li) to the point that they left behind a confession about what they were doing. Ultimately, they found that they couldn't escape Norman and their hatred grew as time went on. They also had certain things influencing them to help bring out their hatred (for Otto his disorder and the interface, for Li his demon which had stated he could no longer hold back) and increase it. So to answer your question, it seems that Otto at first was likely just bitter at Norman but as time went by he began planning to take revenge. We can see hints of his plans around the lab as time goes on and we can tell that he is getting more and more desperate. I think his desperation is out of a desire to have a success to counteract Osborn, to convince himself that he doesn't need to take revenge this way. That doesn't end up happing and eventually he like Li before him ends up giving into his hatred. The interface likely helped to remove any remaining inhibitions he might have had. Just my take on it.
Never have I been so upset about a game being exclusive to one console
Ikr
"Long term memory loss... frontal lobe-"
"Those are really fun games that we play together!"
"Doc, did you make a... self-destructive... prosthetic for yourself?
"Mm-hm! Yeah! It's... really fun. You should try one."
"Why would you do something like that?"
"I'm bored! I was very bored! But now I'm not, see, I've- I got... more arms! Look!"
Reminding myself of the good old days
5:28 this the last time the true octavious talks to peter before the hate rakes over him
Takes*
George Constanza is getting really cocky with his new robot arms here huh?
I like the vocab in their conversations. “Web” “bugs to fix”
0:19 who else still gets chills I know I did
Only now did I realise that Doc Ock's voice actor is none other than Rigby from Regular Show
Lol it's François Hollande
Thanks a lot, now I can't unsee it.
Lmao I'm dead
HAHAHA
Ah merde, c'est reparti.
On est pas les seuls à l'avoir pensé
i love how when the game first came out, we were all excited, but we were all like, "well, the Mr negative twist was sorta spoiled, so what else could this game-" and then we meet otto, and we're like "...oh"
Still have a hard time understanding how the arms could fold or compress enough to get all the way into the containers on his back to reveal themselves the way they did. Also, while they're retracted into Otto's back, he can still walk fairly well which means they must be extremely light; probably because of the carbon fiber shell.
Don't even get me started on their durability also thanks to the carbon fiber shell. His boss fight is straight up madness. Those things can take the Electric Webs, Web Bombs and every beating from Peter. Durable as hell! He was never able to beat him without taking off or disturbing the neuro-transmitter, not even in the Spider-Man 2 movie!
Those specific arms however were able to withstand a substance with a property similar to the sun (apparently). He beat Electro and Vulture in a pair and Rhino and Scorpion in a pair and Mr. Negative while under his influence. Couldn't beat Otto though fair and square though. Crazy.
The simple fact that they made Otto so likable and made me think he was gonna be an aditional final boss (like Clayface in Arkham City) and catching me by surprise that he was behind everything all along is what makes this the best spider man story period!