New Mercedes C43 AMG vs Infiniti Q50 RedSport, no replacement for displacement? Drag & Roll Race
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2023
- 2023 Mercedes C43 AMG vs Infiniti Q50 RedSport, no replacement for displacement? Drag & Roll Race
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Hey Sam! Just checking in once again to see if you've come up with anything on that $35k difference you kept bringing up in the video! Thanks!
Mercedes Canada site c43 top trip:
Total Build $101,680 CDN before tax
Infiniti Canada Q50 top trim: Total build $65,795 CDN before tax
= 35,945 CDN
I have to apologize I was wrong by $945.
Good day
@@SamCarLegion so that’s options and all, you’re talking about. With being in my original comment, that with all options you’re getting a ton more goodies in the Mercedes. And if we skipped all the options and just bought the Mercedes base, you’d get better performance, and still better features for far less than the $35k difference you speak of. You should work on your delivery and where you get your info from. Good day to all!
Edit: one other thing that might help you understand. The first comment in the video made about the $35k difference was by the Infiniti driver, stating, “for $35k more, it better be faster than this thing”. The Mercedes doesn’t need all the extra options, it’s still faster as a base c43 AMG.
You can read right? Thats top trim to top trim. Stop making excuses. Cheers
You asked for the difference here you go
@@SamCarLegion there’s nothing for me to make excuses on. You don’t take constructive criticism very well. Do better.
So painful to watch the Q losing to literally everything lol
Painful, sure, but the fact that an ANCIENT car keeps up with modern cars with better transmissions and more tech says more about how good the car is despite drag results.
It's actually performing quite well for what is essentially two generations behind its competition.
Well it’s faster than the G70 and the TLX so there’s that.
@drivescene6747 it got more hp than the TLX and G70.......Q50 red sport and that Benz and similar hp....
@@drivescene6747 its beaten a few cars and it competes well with others that may be slightly faster (ie S4 etc). We've used my Q50 and Q60 against a lot of different cars over the last 3 years, and its always been generally competitive. It got destroyed by the RS5 and Jag FType R, but I dunno, for the value it hangs in there.
As a person who only prefers Japanese cars, I would easily take the q50, really wish they updated the interior and gave it the same facelift as the jdm skyline in 2019 though
the q50 skyline in Japan looks like an altima
Mercedes lists their horsepower numbers conservatively, while Infiniti product planners are like, "can we say 400?"
think it has more to do with the fact that it’s heavier and has a bad transmission
@joseolarte7424 get real. The c class is a boat compared to its competition. The q50 rs is a trash platform in todays age thats why it lost to a 4 cylinder.
The v6tt is honestly not that bad compared to the v6tt in the previous gen c43 and Audi and models. It’s everything else that holds the car back. The platform is ancient.
The INFINITI was a decent car back in 2016. I had a 2016 Q50 back then and it was a nice ride and looked good. However, the 2023 Q50 is almost identical to the car they sold 7 years ago. Nothing on it has really improved and yet the price continues to increase. Nissan/INFINITI needs to innovate. They are falling behind the competition. That is a shame.
I have a 2014 3.7 Q50S. Great car for price and 2014. 328 hp.
2024, we should have seen a Q50S with 425-450hp, 400ft=lps, and a faster transmission. at least as fast as 440
I think Infiniti just has to get rid of that 7 speed and use the 9speed. I have a RS400 and there’s potential for it to be faster stock wise and it starts with the transmission
they did in the new Z and it hasn't saved it. The only way for Japanese cars to compete is to go 95% German with a Japanese body a la Supra. Weirdly, if they're almost entirely German designed and made they can outperform the Germans. Basically, Japanese car companies should just become German tuner companies where sports cars are concerned.
@@elenchusYeah, that's why this year in WEC Toyota beats the sh*t out of Porsche and Ferrari. This year Porsche was a shame in WEC.
@@Eugen-E problem solved, just buy and daily drive a WEC race car.
@@elenchusYou were talking about sports cars and how good germans are and japanese brands should be german. If germans are so good at making race cars considering Porsche was a star in WEC racing, why did they lose to the Prius maker in WEC ?
Stop talking BS. Or you don't know how many japanese parts there are in german cars, including the newest german BEVs.
@@Eugen-E You're switching from sports cars (and these aren't even sports cars, these are sport sedans) to race cars. If you want to get into pro racing and buy pro race cars and drive on race tracks competitively, then that might be a different discussion. The fact that some race car is really good doesn't make the Q50 or TLX Type S faster than their nearest German equivalents. The Japanese could win every pro race in the world every single time and it wouldn't lower the weight or increase the horsepower of any of their production cars.
Your basic claim is still demonstrably false. It's not as simple as "Infiniti just has to get rid of that 7 speed and use the 9speed." Infiniti (in this case under the brand Nissan) did do that and they still got easily destroyed by its most direct competitor in every way.
I take this harder than most. I'm a diehard Japanese car enthusiast and drive Japanese. I'm just also in touch with reality. These aren't the best days to be a Japanese performance enthusiast. It's not all dark, the CTR and ITS are doing well. The GT-R somehow manages to stay competitive despite being ancient.
I like the "no launch control" races. It's a better surrogate for what happens in a real-world, red light scenario. In that context, some cars perform relatively better (eg. Q50 Redsport, TLX Type S), while others perform worse (eg. Audi S5 Sportback).
Why wouldn’t someone use launch control at a red light?
@@stefanomarcellino6701 because most people don't use their left foot to brake, activating LC isn't always a quick or reliable process, and LC is bad on a vehicle's drivetrain.
@@TheBreakfastLover i think most people who know there car and see a potential race are going to use launch control. Its one button away in the new RS/M cars. I launch my RS5 sometimes even when I’m not racing.
@@stefanomarcellino6701 activating LC is actually pretty finicky on a BMW.
I can setup launch control in my 21’ m340i in a few seconds. Not true my guy.
Great Video 😍🔥
Love seeing Infiniti in your videos!!!!!
Also that new C43’s pumped in exhaust noise at lunch control is just so fake😂
launch control sound funny😂
I formally owned a Q50 hybrid. It was no racer but had great performance and fuel mileage.
That AMG is sweet with newer platform and tech.
The Infiniti is riding on aging old tech and platform.
Nissan needs to get it together.
Yes 35k difference
@@SamCarLegion
My comment flew over your head.
Nissan can build a better car to compete with this AMG..
@@SamCarLegionwhere are you seeing this $35k difference? You show in the beginning of the video, a $9k difference starting price USD (which I just checked is actually $59,900 for the Mercedes, and $58,500 for the Infiniti, making a $1,400 difference. But then add in the opal color and you get $61,850 for the Infiniti which makes it a more expensive starting price). I’m sure with all the add ons the Mercedes would cost more.. not sure it’d be by your claimed $35k, but even then, you’re getting a car with far superior interior and technology and more options. I’ll post this comment by itself too in the off chance you don’t see it here.
Whatever Infiniti needed to do to make the Q50/60/RS competitive should have been done with the 2018 refresh i.e. new/heavily updated transmission and interior. I (just as others I'm sure) really want to like this brand and for them to succeed, but it just goes to show the sad state of where they are, and the result of the bad decisions that kept piling on. Their focus now seems to be on SUV's whereas not too long ago, we kept getting some very enticing design concepts and possible higher performance models that amounted to nothing. Like I said before, what they need is a new product onslaught that will bring back the wow factor and generate increased interest in the brand because one new model or redesign every 2 to 3 years (QX60 and QX80) just isn't cutting it. Besides, not everyone wants an SUV.
@Brian_Eugene_Lee
Let it go.
Nissan is a cheap company
A tune is all u need like mine
1:38 Wait, C43 costs $61 million USD???
Lmmtfao…. I has to take a snapshot too!! 😂😂😂😂
I saw that too! 😂😂🤣
انفنيتي Q50 عملية اقتصادية رياضية جداً جميلة اقتنيتها 2015 الى 2019 ولظروف شخصية قمت ببيعها
تجربة جداً انيقة ورائعة كالعادة 🌹😘
In current autos the major difference is the pad between a steering wheel and a seat. Most of the rest does not make a significant variance. (of course, this is not about the very top of the line)
Would love to see races with a 6 series BMW 640i grand coupe to be exact
I had a Q50 and it was pretty solid.. They have so much potential with a tune. The trans just isn’t that great. What an engine though!
😂 I said the same thing
@@armanimckoy2168 I had Infiniti Q50 3.0 it runs good and fast on me. I like it.
Hey Sam. Always a big fan of your contents. Not many ppl do drag races on a daily basis anymore let alone in Canada. However it’d be nicer to see the video production to be more consistent. Sometimes the video production is very cinematic and has top notch quality, but sometimes the videos looked like they’re kind of a last minute upload and the information about the cars involved in the race was slapped onto the screen like that and often times there’s mistakes (just some small things). For us enthusiasts that know about cars it’s no big deal seeing partial information being presented incorrectly but for some who’s not familiar with the car it’d be misleading. Again, love the contents, still a big fan of yours. Just some personal opinions for your future posts 🫡
I believe what's limiting the Q is something to do with transmission software. Maybe limiting torque.
How is the C43 tuning potential though ? I highly Doubt it’s as capable as the Infiniti Q50 also way more expensive than the Q
The C43 wIth reasonable options is getting silly close to $100k CAD.
I doubt you could get much more out of that 2.0t cuz it’s already pushing close to 400hp without the 48v motor from the factory.
@@alj7094Instead of lasting 40,000 miles, it might make it 30,000
Its also way nicer than the Q. And Q's are pretty limited as well if you wanna bring potential hp into it. Built engine, big turbo, and all the goodies and VRs barely cracked the 9's. Thats not good lol
@@johnnytorreto8197what c43 is doing 9s tho ? Stop the yappin
I don't get the 2.0 402 bhp in the Mercedes....!? The Mercedes website claims it to be a v6 382 bhp motor...!!?
To get a good launch out of the q you need to turn off Traction control and have your foot on the break and gas till you hit 2500-3k rpm and then let go also rwd q gets off the line quicker there is so much drivetrain loss with awd on the q
Love it
Hi Sam, what recommend awd or rwd q60 , which version is faster in your opinion sir for all around racing
Awd
@@SamCarLegion thank you sir , have ever tested the rwd version, if you did so why you choose awd over rwd being the awd is way heavier .
I wonder who has lost more races in the past 5 years the Acura TLX Type S, Lexus LC500 or the Infiniti Q50's ???
Acura
Definitely the Acura 😂 which is very disappointing because I love the parent brand
The Nissan Z will be soon joining the list too lol
@@Foiiiii1 Basically, old dated chassis and transmission equals many lost races lol
What do you mean q50 doesn't like automatic mode. I thought it was the opposite with their not the best transmissions
Weight and 7 spd vs 9 spd are the real reasons the Q50 didn't cut it (you could also add in that superchargers give immediate HP vs Turbos)
neither are supercharged. both turbo.
superchargers lose hp, it’s immediate tq. not hp.
Ok the nissan Z has the same exact transmission as the c43 and it still demolishes it
Exactly Turbo Lag
Turbos are better then superchargers
Hey Sam, can you tell us where you’re seeing this $35k difference???
Sam I need some 230i coupe drag races!!!
Can we get a nice K5 GT vs Mustang Ecoboost? Nobody has done that, yet...
I like how the pop up says the 2023 C43 AMG is 61,000,000 USD 😂
Hey sam maybe you could race the IS500 against the C43 or the Audi S4. I think that would be a good one.
S4 & C43 next please. Thanks in advance from the US
Coming soon
Sam we need 2023 Stinger vs the new C43
The Q isn't a bad platform but man I wish Infiniti would at least just give it a true facelift, update the interior, and use the same trans in the auto Z. It's been a decade now. I get the VR30 is sticking around but I don't get why they don't update the aesthetics to match the newer Infiniti CUV's.
Bro they don't wana invest in r and d ...they are trying to follow Acura these days by creating fwd crossovers ....
Even the skyline Nismo is a rebadger q50 abomination
They gave it a facelift in 2019 for japan only which is the Nissan skyline over there, it’s better than nothing cuz of the gtr grille and round taillights
@user-fm5xf4pe6v seriously man ..trust me ...these big ledtvs are going to freeze after two years and all modern cars will become obsolete with in a decade
@user-fm5xf4pe6v yea, vw and Mercedes are running out of physical buttons
4:56 is it me or does the Q50 sounded like the driver shifted a little too early?
2 great cars honestly if i were to choose between this 2 i would personally choose both
infiniti is mid
C43 would be my choice 100 percent
@@chrism869 sure
@@chrism869 sure
same for me@@Investor_philips
The Qs design is quite old now. The AMG 43 has gone through an update so it's not surprising they have given it more power
Im sad to see the Q go down. I really love japanese cars. Infact since my first one i haven't gotten anything else. Great cars. The infiniti needs a better transmission to allow easy upgrades.
If that q was rwd it would be slightly lighter but mod for mod the q would destroy that c43
There is replacement for displacement, he got decimated
How about a M330i Touring vs Passat/Arteon 206R vs A4 Quattro 2.0T?? Family lux wagon shootout? Even throw a C300 in for fun.
where are you seeing this $35k difference, Sam? You show in the beginning of the video, a $9k difference starting price USD (which I just checked is actually $59,900 for the Mercedes, and $58,500 for the Infiniti, making a $1,400 difference. But then add in the opal color and you get $61,850 for the Infiniti which makes it a more expensive starting price). I’m sure with all the add ons the Mercedes would cost more.. not sure it’d be by your claimed $35k, but even then, you’re getting a car with far superior interior and technology and more options. Seems irrelevant to keep bringing that up.
Edit: Canadian starting price for the Q50 black opal is $69,341, Mercedes C43 AMG 4matic is $81,150. $11,809 difference. Still not $35k.
I don't get it. Here in America the q50 red sport starts at 56k msrp. The new c43 is 61k msrp starting price. Where is the 35k coming from?
Surprised the q didn’t blow a head gasket 😂
Wow!! Things have changed a lot. 5-6 years ago, the red sport was fast!! Now it's old and outdated, and the Benz c43 is a 400hp 2.0L 4 banger!!
In the aftermarket world the q destroys this thing
Thats just how car industry is man
@@anthonyfields3856but it will probably break with aftermarket parts so yeah, not really worth it, not a possibility but it can happen
@anthonyfields3856 Yeah, a tune and upgrade the turbos. 550-600hp sleeper
Considering the motor is hand built and it's a true "AMG" it's closer than I would think. The VR30 is 7 year old tech vs F1 and a 4 cyl isn't a disadvantage. With with a huge turbo and electric boost assist (F1 technology) the guys in Affalterbach know what their doing. Love the matchup 🙏❤️
Lol, you do know in a previous video comparison the new “true hand built AMG C43” got its butt handed to it by the previous model C43 that was not a hand built engine 🤣😂🤣 I’ll wait for the excuses to come rolling in.
@@PoppaSnipe I'm only referring here to the Infiniti Q50/Q60 VR30 motor. The C43 uses the V6 twin turbo from the heavier E450 and dials up more boost. I sure hope it would beat it. Again, with launch control and a far superior transmission. You are comparing apples to oranges there my friend! That's why you see them lose races to cars making less power all the time. Putting the power down and the drivetrain is the issue on the Q's platform.
@JTrop1021 V6 comes from the 2015 C400
Gearing and weight
How funny my wife has 21 q50 rs and I have the c43 (both tuned ) we roll race all the time
I feel buddy's pain on that last race, I really do. Man honestly I think Nissan needs to just shut down the Infiniti line as it has died a slow dead. Nissan should should stick all their energy on that wonderful GTR and call it a night!
infiniti short shifting as usual. You can just hear it.
Q50 q60 great cars for price and power but they're done unfortunately so many 2.0T perform better then the q50 q60s
true, but they have great tuning potential though. they can break 4 seconds 0-60 with a stage 1 tune
Infiniti has a great engine but they need to get a new transmission. The Q would definitely benefit from a Z1 chip with faster shift points. Both great cars but Infiniti is likely a lot more reliable and costs less to maintain than the Merc
Who uses chips we only use tunes on this platform bud
The new 9-speed auto isn't an eye-opener either. It's great for family cars but not really suited for sports cars.
Vr30 is much better engine for tuning )
German cars especially Mercedes suffer no lag/hesitation off the line.
"$30,000 more it better be faster..." WHAT???? That made no sense! It very well could be slower and still $30,000 more because it's a much better quality / tech vehicle ALL around than a Q.
C43 vs scatpack charger!!!! 😉
C43 wins dig c43 wins roll if stage 1 tuned
I think that Nissan should rate horsepower at the rear Wheels instead of at the flywheel.
Well Mercedes E43 has always been super quick. 0-60 in like 3.5 secs. I don't think the infinity q50 in the E43 category
Not bragging but my 19' RS400 literally only has a catback and launches much harder than that?
3L Vs 2L ? You should race with 3L ,C63 that’s will be right for MB.
Yoi right man !! How they race big engine with little engine !!
Damn the RS got smoked 😢
Where are you seeing this $35k difference Sam?
Hey sam, any updates on where you're getting that $35k difference from? It's misinformation that should definitely be corrected when talking to a wide audience.
Who is buying a Q50 in 2023! Give me a break
Honestly, neither of these cars are impressive at all. For the prices they are asking I would expect better performance.
Nissan falling behind man, losing alot of customers to this old old set up.
Wait a minute, that same C43 ran an 13 second 1/4 mile time vs the old C43 with the same 4.5, 0-60 time. The math is not mathing Sam. 😳
The old c43 is a little faster than the new one
@user-yk5eg8qf5k watch the video, the old C43 ran 12.7 and the new C43 ran 13 flat. Now, the same new C43 ran 12.4 vs the Q50, that 12.4 time would've destroyed the old C43. It's no way the same Car runs 4.5, 0-60 again, but the 1/4 mile is 13 vs 12.4 now more than a half second faster.
I don't trust his published times. He never shows the dragy or racebox info...
@m3awd598 true that, we finally get him to show times, and it's like pulling teeth to show trap speeds and actual data like the DA. But I guess it's better than nothing. 🤷
Its heavier and less powerful it’s pretty simple to understand
M340i vs C43 please.
That’s already done by Throttle House.
Another channel already raced them, the M340i won.
It won. 4 cylinder twinscroll vs 6 cylinder twinscroll… expected
Stop featuring the q50 on the channel bro we already know it loses to almost everything can we replace this with the type s or lexus 500?
You think those two are better 🤣😂😂🤣😂😂
Good for breakfast 🥞
And now my internet is slow thanks to X Infiniti
30k more? Thats why there srill a market foe the Q50.
7AT is terrible, but better than the previous VQ generation (it was beefed up a bit).
Quick shifting on that Merc.
Open Differential on the q50 😂
Terrible at putting power down.
4 cylinder AMG is still hilarious!!!😅
He's wrong.
You can make the vr30 ‘s way faster tho for like 4K
Remember it’s a tuner car it’s going lose stock
am so hapoy that i trade in my q50 redsport for an m340i
You didn’t do nothing wrong!!! I had a 18 Q50RS, now I have a 23 x3M40i and I love it! It’s super quick. 4.1 0-60 for a heavy suv , it’s beautiful, tons of tech. My next one will be a M3 gang gang
Has the Q ever won a race lol
It used to like 8 years ago💀 it's a shame rlly, because if Infiniti actually updated the transmission, and tuned the way its engine reacts to launching, it could be on par with it's competitors still
Q50 red sport 😂😂 and people still think its smoke hellcats
👍👍👍
Put a tuned 3.7 VQ different story...
Bruh people in this channel always screw up the shifts
Yes, the C43 amg is a better performer than the Q50, just not better than the previous C43 amg. And definitely not better than the BMW 340i. The B58 engine in the 340i has changed the game.
But the M340i uses cheat (large amount of battery power) that is not disclosed to the public other than for the U.S. elites themselves.. The 2023 model M340i puts out 505 hp (battery + gasoline engine horsepower, not equivalent to the full gas engine horsepower) at the crank and 540 ft-lb torque. B58 engine my butt... it's weak, nothing without that battery power. If you were to disable that battery the car will go quite a bit slower than say the Kia Stinger GT, both dig and roll.
@@noobz5056so you’re implying that BMW built an overall better power train. Got it. 👍. I drive a Lexus, but I admire what bmw has done with the 340i.
B58 has 6 cylinders its expected to win
@@user-yk5eg8qf5kGiven your logic, the Q50 (V6) should have beat the C43 (4cyl).
@@noobz5056proof of that?
They just look like 2 Honda Civics...
The Q is more luxury than power. My 2011 ISF will teach the MB a lesson.
I hate Infinitis anyway! Who still buys these?
have you owned a q50?
Q sounds better that’s about it
This c43 is literally a c300 with a big turbo slapped on it and a mild hybrid system🤣 and its gapping a redsport cmon now hang it up g/q owners.
Only reason I would pick the Mercedes is bc it sounds a little better in my opinion, but both are common beasts
Q50 is 12 years old engine and tech. Idiots at Nissan/Infiniti never made anything with the GTR engine or tech. This brand needs to go the Suzuki, Mitsubishi, Isuzu way and be gone soon. So much potential yet nothing substantial. The only reason their brand is alive in Us is due to QX range which is a good buy.
Sad Infiniti Still Uses this Weak Ass, Lazy Ass, Slow-Sloppy Ass, Wonky Ass Transmissions in thier Cars. If They Just Designer a New, Quicker Shifting Transmission They'll Have a Winning Formular, They already have Powerful Engines. Just this One Change Will Help Their Sales and Reputation.. I Used to Base Performance Off Engine Horsepower. But Since Owning a Q50, I've Learned That Engine Horsepower is Not Everything. If I'm Going to Buy Another Car An Infiniti Would Not Be in My First 5 Choice.
So Jim went from a Q50 to a Q60 and then back to a Q50, all with the same engine?
This is a press car - he just helps me
LOL like Sam said, I just help him out.
He also knows this car very good
@@jimwallace4164 Got it.
@@jimwallace4164 Would you happen to know what fuel type the q50 in the video was running on? I own a q50rs and notice a considerable difference in pick up when using ultra 94. I am almost certain the press car in this drag race is not at its full potential. Would love to see the same race after the q cycled through 2 full tanks of 94 octane gas.
There seems to be opposite results in real life.
The q has a really garbage transmission. It can’t keep up with the engine
Spend like 10 grand on after market and I bet you smoke that amg and look better doing it
for 35k$ you can make a spaceship q50😂
Lmao literally, you'd have a low 9 second to high 8 second car in the quarter mile if you know how to get the right mods and right tuner, prob 0-60 in 2 seconds damn near flat, cause I already seen 2.2-2.3
You clearly dont know the capabilities of the A45 this engine can handle 500hp like its nothing and even more
@@user-yk5eg8qf5k500hp🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 q50 can now handle 1000 hp bro
put new AMS turbos in vr30, and take 617 whp on 93 @@user-yk5eg8qf5k
Infiniti stock good time😊. My volvo 2003 stock ecu, manual 6 speed 1/4 mile 12.9..😂😂😂
Pobre respuesta del infinity Q 50
Q50 lost to a 4 cylinder turbo very sad
It lost to a better transmission and a car with proper launch control and a car that costs more than 35k price difference
@SamCarLegion I don't get it. Here in America the q50 red sport starts at 56k msrp. The new c43 is 61k msrp starting price. Where is the 35k coming from?
I’m not sure if anyone’s asked this yet, because I had a Red Sport. Did the guy driving the Infiniti, have it in “sport plus”because you get FULL POWER when in Sport+ mode and you have to have it in manual mode, because that seven speed is just too dang slow off the line. My friend’s 350 Z will get me every time if I don’t have it in manual and using the paddles. 🤦🏾♂️
Probably not, this channel consistently hates on Infiniti and dick rides German builds to no end.