I Modeled My Golf Swing After David Duval And Instantly Saw Better Ball Striking! (Here's Why)
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- Опубліковано 15 чер 2024
- After my baseball days ended and I picked up golf, here's how modeling my swing after David Duval helped improve my ball striking!
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In this video, we go back to 1999 when I was transitioning from my baseball playing career into golf. As part of this switch, I found myself fascinated by the great ball strikers of the past and present, and what they did so well. One person stood out to me and that was David Duval. I had the chance to watch him in person when he came to Phoenix that year and I was mesmerized by his game.
It was then I decided to further analyze David's golf swing and started to notice aspects of his action that paralleled my baseball swing. I picked up on his strong left land grip, his rotational move, the stable club face, and how his eyes and head followed the ball. These patterns were familiar to me, and for that reason I began using David as my sort of model. I hope you enjoyed this special episode and look forward to hearing from you on what you learned, and what golf swings you most admire and model after!
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For me it was DD. Whose swing was most inspiring to you?
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I've been watching Hovland and this seems very similar.
DD was one of the first players I saw live and I was amazed by his ball striking
Me too
Just a pity he was playing before camera focus was invented
Watching David D. in person under extremely windy conditions was an eye opener for me. Ball flight so penetrating and the hit so so solid. it was if the wind was turned of when he hit.
Ball striking fool!
Lots of wonderful takeaways from David Duval’s swing. I particularly love the releasing of his head through the ball, almost like putting your ear to the ball at impact. That facilities a more rotational swing. Nice video, Milo. Thanks for posting.
Thanks for watching!
Also, I just learned this and see it in your swing. Your lead shoulder path from address to the backswing top position goes down, then as you transition into the downswing your lead shoulder goes down even further 7:11. It does not go back up until just before impact as it seems your lead leg posts and forces it up.. That is so important for me to que on and deliver power in the swing. I notice David does not do that like you. I also know you swing faster than him. I think this is a key move in the modern swing with your unweighting and keeping your hips back deeper in the imaginary wall.
I was a natural slicer and I analyzed the swings of about 80 golfers to find the best way to adapt. David Duval's swing was identical to what I was doing. Given that during my swing my hand is completely on top, I understood that I needed to exaggerate the closing of my club since my arms pass before the clubface. Now I can generate even more speed and my ball goes straight with a slight fade. I gained more than 40 yards overall, it's crazy.
Awesome! Thanks for the watch Jerome
I saw DD at the Ganter Cup at Willow CC in Sandy, UT. Him and Freddie Couples were blistering the ball 350+ yards at our elevation of 4500 ft. His drive landed, 5 yards from where I was standing. the sound of his ball, striking was something amazing. Freddie was something as well.
I love his swing.. nice!
It's a good one! Thanks for watching Ian!
Thanks Milo. I have come to realize after many years of studying the golf swing, fade/cut is the more reliable than draw. Having done some hardwork myself and swing change process, i found your channel & Elite golf school channel where i found similar thoughts. Strong grip, rotating hard through impact which produces straight or slight fade shot which i have found to be very repeatable and reliable.
It's a great way to play the game in my opinion.
This is gold.
Thanks so much for watching!
Very interesting to hear your swing inspiration and seeing the similarities.👌🏻
Thanks 👍
Excellent video, Milo.
Thanks so much!
I always thought Bobby Jones swing was awe inspiring, he had a strong lead hand with a neutral trail hand and he could shape it very well. The sound of his impact with irons or woods was incredible. Dd has an incredible swing.
Two greats there.
One of the most effortless & powerful swings of the 70's & 80's: Tom Purtzer.
David is one of the best. hat off to you.
Hats off to him!
Great analysis, Milo. I've always felt that David Duval just lets it all go. However, I must say I noticed that he keeps his head level the same throughout the swing and his hands are way higher at impact than it is at address. Most golf coaches I've seen on UA-cam are against such lifting of the hands at impact.
By the way, I tried that David/Annika release of the head, and I must admit it feels really really weird. It's like an uneasy feeling making you think that you are going to miss the ball altogether.
Hello Milo, can you provide us with your Hack Motion wrist numbers from setup to throughou your swing? I am just really curious as to what they show up as.
Love the channel.
Thanks in advance.
Thanks Milo great video yet again, I to like a strong grip and always had that same look at the top with the club face seemingly pointing to the sky
I never quite liked it until now 😂
Can match it up, thanks for watching 👍
Milo,
I tend to drop it inside and then have a meaningfully positive swing path. Any videos to start getting 0 to negative path for people with opposite of slicer problems?
He did end up with a bad back very early but I loved watching duval the swing just kept moving
Thx Milo. When Duval was #1, he was scary good.
100%!
Hmm that RH grip of DD looks familiar.😊
Watched him in practice and the first two rounds at the Open in Lythem, which he won, incredibly accurate, sneaky long, and then disappeared altogether, I thought he'd be world number one for years
He was so good!
Many great ball strikers have released their heads through the ball. Too many have suffered the swing paralyzing advice "keep your head down". Always admired David, in particular his British Open win. Have gamed a Cameron "Inspired by David Duval" Newport Beach for years. Sadly, IMO, for a variety of reasons, he never reached the heights he could have achieved.
I agree on head down. Thanks for watching Tom!
Hello Milo love your teaching! So the way I'm understanding is now he describes in some other videos about this right hand throw release or he feels like he's throwing the club toward the ball and he talks about it seems like casting but it's not etc. The way I'm understanding it is when I watch the video of his swing his Trail risk definitely stays extended throughout the swing so it sounds like we're on the same page is that he turns so fast that for him specifically needs to feel like he's sort of throwing the club even though he's not because his wrist is staying extended so obviously he's not throwing the club out but it's just that he turned so fast and so violent that that feeling helps him sink up? Would you say that's a good assessment? So in other words if you have a student that doesn't turn very fast they may need to feel like they keep their risk extended or sort of hold the angle for lack of a better phrase. But if somebody does turn really fast then you might want to find a different feel for them in sort of a throwing sensation or something slightly different to match up with their turn correct?
More or less a good assessment. This was a feeling Jim Hardy gave him after his career was finished so I doubt he really had many thoughts about how to release because when done right physics creates it and times it you really can’t help it go faster only disturb the timing.
Milo, I was always a fan of Duval he was a better short iron player than Tiger and looked to be Tiger's biggest threat in his dominant period but he faded away . What do you put that down to?
Jim Hardy taught Duvall that release action just like he taught it to me! In the video they cut it so Duvalls mentioning of Hardy is cut off!
Wow, thanks much, I was wondering who told him that. I guess Hardy was a golf instructor. That was a cool snippet.
Duval was so smooth, he is close but Milo is muscling it thru. David has suffered from a fall off from his height of beating Tiger to a level he can’t win on the senior tour. Duvall recently has improved, he was in contention but melted again late in the final round.
He hasn't be in contention in a while, hopefully he can keep the comeback going!
Great video Milo- why did David Duvall drop out of contention on the tour so quickly after he got to
#1 ?
That’s a tough one to answer. He changed his physique and had some injuries. Professional athletes are always walking the razors edge and sometimes small changes are enough to derail them.
I think he tried too hard to be “tiger like”. That led to his demise…🤷♂️
i love milo's channel but at 64 with back issues i just can't turn like this.
I'm exactly the same Bill, 64 like you and tried this swing yesterday, I just haven't got that swing speed and mobility anymore, went back to my normal swing and hit it quite a distance further, my back is really stiff today and think this swing was what's caused it. Would love to see a lot more of the Senior Pros doing You Tube Vids with swings us older guys can accommodate.
Just watching both swings in slo mo at the end I noticed Duval doesn't lower in transition like you, also not all players drop like yourself , Rory Tiger D.J. etc, is it absolutely necessary ? I find it quite hard to time. I also took up golf in 98 & have fond memories of Duval Vjay Big easy etc. Cheers mate.
@@LeslieGreenwood-bu9tn lots of ways to do it, not 100% necessary but it is my preference when matched up correctly
They say pros would stop on the range and watch him hit the flag over and over from 100 yards!
I believe it
I try to recreate Fred Couples swing, love the tempo
He did some things in his swing that I wouldn't advocate for long term from a back standpoint, but can't argue with the results and tempo town motion!
@@MiloLinesGolf I'm 63 and I do have a tender back so if you are telling me that his swing is not that good because of that I need to learn an easier swing to save my back
I'd have to see your swing and get to know you more to offer the best possible feedback. Have you looked into joining my online academy? milolinesgolf.com
Milo, you get the club shaft more vertical at the top than Duvall, and I know you do it on purpose. What’s the matchup?
I like the feeling of the plane shifting from COM up to under just like a baseball bat it helps me feel where the club head is in space when I swing on plane I loose a sense of the club head.
As someone who has been obsessed with understanding the release for 20 years I agree that the "scoop" in his release is only playable because of his amount of hip rotation! Otherwise his release would be early and a true scoop.
Hip rotation isn’t the key. It’s chest rotation that matters.
@@MiloLinesGolf I appreciate the tip! Your videos on "towing" the clubhead thru impact has helped me a lot!
Note David Duvalls swing @5:50. His right back pocket indicates how much his pelvis has rotated at impact. A VERY
POWERFUL ATHLETIC POSITION.
However such an athletic position , places considerable forces on the spine and can lead to back injuries when done over thousands of repetitions . Such rotation REQUIRES both natural ability and a serious conditioning program to avoid injury.
The vast majority of golfers when trying to increase rotation do so from both the lumbar (lower) and thoracic(middle )spines with many eventually developing lower back problems . Unfortunately David was of one who developed lumbar spine problems , which started his fall from the top.
I would argue that it is a mistake for all golfers , except those in their 20’s or younger to try emulate such extreme rotation unless they are also going to spend hours each week on maintaining a very high level of core and spine conditioning .
I won’t argue but in my view rotation alone is almost never the issue. Hitters in baseball rotate more and side bend just as much as golfers and I don’t think I’ve ever heard of a back injury from swinging a baseball bat. It’s the lateral movement of the pelvis that pushes the lumbar spine into extension that makes one vulnerable to lumbar injury. Couple a big lateral move with loads of rotation and you have a recipe for injury.
Milo in that same video with Charlie Rymer, David talks about throwing the club away or behind him in the downswing on plane or above plane. It was a feeling and not real or maybe it was. What is your feeling in the downswing.? Are you throwing the club away from the target right away on plane or above the plane or at least feel like that while turning? When is that considered casting?
If you throw the club from behind you like David says the club will automatically return on plane. Watch the slow mo replay at the end and you can see David on plane throughout the swing. Milo takes it back a little more steep and then shallows the shaft during the downswing to get back on plane which to me is more of a manipulative move and harder to repeat. Like Jack Nicklaus said "you can never release the club too early"
Did David Duval's swing last into the seniors tour? If not, why?
OK , I see you gave the answer below.....injuries and a fine line to succeed.
He is 10 for 10 cuts made this year on the Champions Tour with a top 10 in a major.
No doubt great ball striker, my curiosity is what happened that he lost it, I saw him after his best years and he was anything but straight
Hard to say, could be a multitude of things.
Milo I owe you an apology. For ages I could not work out how you were not holding lag with no proper release. Your videos seemed to go down a different path to say Mike Malaska. Finally last week the penny dropped. The baseball player hits out in front, it's the pivot that creates the impact position. Wow - what a difference. I am 65, 23 handicap, sub 90 mph clubhead. Thanks to you I now hit dead straight, fade is gone, ball flight a lot lower, getting about 220 yards total. Stats tell me that's the average driving distance for a 12 handicapper my age. Plus my home course is narrow and a lot of dog legs so I don't need any more distance. Irons likewise much straighter and plenty of distance. THANK YOU - I feel I am on the cusp of of a big drop in handicap due to your thoughts.
Excellent to hear Michael! If I can be of any further help, please reach out on my website - milolinesgolf.com
I modeled my swing after David Duchovny and my butt hurts now
I've stopped watching the US Open to listen to Milo.
I am honored
Doesn't Duval use a "Malaska Move" type swing which is totally opposite of what you teach?
Feel and real are 2 different things. What he did almost matches up with my preferred patterns. What he felt was very different from what he did.
Tom Watson saying essentially the same thing in this clip.....adopting this AFTER 5 Open wins
ua-cam.com/video/b6cntSpVbZo/v-deo.html
Your comments please.
Stacking it up!
He's alot faster backswing and same impact as you.
Rythym matters. Real dynamics
It's actually easy to spot. He has a throw backswing and pivots left really nice in downswing
You have a controlled slower backswing and a throw downswing. Complete opposite of Duval. Look at your last slo mo comparison swing. It's all there. Cheers!
Hi Milo enjoyed your analysis of David Duval swing and agree what you are saying from your point of view as a former baseball player.
However comparing David Duval scapular to yours; I think the reasons he exited left better then you was that he used the directional movements of his scapula bone better then you do with your scapula.
What?
Under the directional powers of his scapula we see him swinging his golf club around his body with his arms, hands and rolling chest while he effectively maintained his golf posture until the end of his swing. Don’t we? His pelvis, hip, knees, and feet all responding naturally under the direction of his scapula.
No way! You say
Watch his trail side scapula gliding two inches toward his spine for his backswing immediately followed by his lead side scapula gliding about four inches towards his spine for his down swing to his swing’s final conclusion . He and all of us are able to do this because muscles have no sense of direction they can only pull under the direction our brain is telling our bones and joints were to move inside our body
So you see the scapula is the primary steerer of the golf swing. It works in conjunction with double pendulum golf swing which deserves another explanation since few golf instructors have ever gotten it right and easy to understand. Cheers 🥂👍😊
duval had a good run, not sure what happened to him
You got it!
If you just use your left hand (right handers) to make a swing, whatever the grip you use is the NATURAL grip ; but to the golf world, it will be very “strong”. The golf world “natural” grip will require you to bend your left wrist at the top, which is terrible, injury prone.
Either way, you gotta be able to match it up. There is no absolute of course, but we have our preferences. Here is a video we did a while back on this: ua-cam.com/video/vTsNOGnIfGs/v-deo.html
hes not squatting anywhere near what you are doing and as a matter of fact he is slinging the club and releasing it very early