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Dear Lord there's no sound issues, I was struggling to stay with the videos knowing that it would get fixed eventually
Thanks for sticking with Paul,he got there eventually 😊
About fucking time. I unsubed before cause it was so bad and he didn't fix it for years.
the real paul is finally back, really high energy, appreciate the effort, your audio is significantly better now
I have been listening to this guy ranting about graphics cards since the days of Turing and back then he had a simple USB mic same as now and his audio used to be just fine. Good for him he went back to using a condenser usb mic. Also, he used to not have a beard back then and it suits him more at least as far as I am concerned.
@@NatrajChaturvedi yep, when he was using the rode podcaster dynamic mic, tbh paul's audio was a comple dumpster fire, specially because he has absolutely zero mic discipline, so yes it seems this mic suits him much better
Dude! Congrats on the audio, 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
You go a new microphone! HOLY MOLLY! FINALLY :D
Now I can listen some more to you! Thanks for paying attention to your audience, it is greatly appreciated!
9:13 I said this exact thing. Nobody was Happier about the way Nvidia priced these cards this generation than AMD! Because you can bet your life that if the 4080 was $750 even $800 bucks, AMD Would have to drop their prices to the Floor to make sales this generation. When AMD saw they prices they said "Hallelujah!" We can actually make bank on these cards.
EXACTLY! I have always said, that Floor is the best singer at Nightwish!
And Hallelujah is just exactly the word, to describe her there!
As Serj says it: "Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition"!
What's wrong with that?
@@iamperplexed4695 Well, actually nothing! Or I would not posted it here!
Worse than that, a price war wont work either as nvidia is getting great performance out of very small chips. Guarantied cheaper to make and they gnats assed the vram again making it still cheaper
@@miikasuominen3845 I wasn't talking to you.
No more Mic Issues. :)
Dude that was killing me!
about time consistent no up and down like normal 😁👍
Oh yes finally no audio issues with volume going up and down constantly
That mic is much better than the last one. Much easier to listen to you 👍
RDNA3 just cant scale to higher frequencies because of the power rerquirements to send data over the ~15x longer distance to the now external cache. Every bit transfered now costs an order of magnatide more power to get to and from the L3 cache.
Edit: I'm not saying get rid of the external cache, i'm saying make it an L4 that doesnt see as much total bandwidth requirements, a buffer between the L3 and VRAM.
Make the 7900XTX 15% larger, and add at least 48MB of L3.
Hopefully at some point they can use a stacked cache, and at that point having external cache could in theory be faster than on-die cache.
Above each CU there could be an entire pool of combined L2/L3 the size of the CU for say 4MB/CU that has a more durect connection, somewhat like L1
Finally audio I can follow! Hard to stay on your previous videos since your audio cuts out when you turn your head.
Paul audio is this time super
Yeah buddy
hey Paul, I think you should explain or read the news at the beginning of every video. every time I watch one of your videos it’s like I missed an hour of video before it. I don’t know what you’re talking about or why, it’s like you make a two hour video then upload a random 10 minute segment from the middle.
I think that the 7900xtx is priced in reality. Reality is that ppl bought cards like mad even though they were like 300% MSRP. We cannot look at them now and say that its too high when we bought worse cards for much more. A lot of ppl bought the 6800xt for more than $850. I had to buy a 6600xt ON SALE for $700. We are the problem not AMD.
Perfect microphone all the way through.
As you say AMD could do better but money is priority number one.
RDNA3 has one problem, and yeah it's the coefficient on power scaling vs the large power intercept due to chiplets. xx50 SKU would put their chips right where they were hoping. Aqua 7900XTX Extreme BIOS 480W runs 3GHz out of the box, stock. AMD didn't sell us faster because it would have memed the power and temps and noise really hard.
on ray tracing, its interesting that everyone thinks NV is better than AMD when the code is optimized for NV and not AMD. it turns out 50% performance is left on the AMD table because devs are only coding for NV. the gap would be a lot smaller if it was optimized for both. AMD is failing because they dont have enough eng devs going out to companies doing their work for them I guess. I think that turns around pretty quick here as NV moves further from the gaming space and their chips are less and less geared towards the gaming space. AMD just needs to allocate a lot more funding to getting software devs on the same page, create wrappers to do the most common tasks, AMD just needs to hire a lot more software teams I guess Im saying.
agreed, AMD is only providing bare bones stuff. Even for rocm on windows, its not preinstalled on driver and ready to go, no you have 20 workarounds instead of making it just plug and play like nvidia.
Hey Paul is that a new mic? Good job!
I care about the heat generated but not about the power consumed. If there was some magic to make power not directly equal to heat, I'd rock a 600W card no problem if it had the performance to back it. Plus, far more people want the performance than the efficiency. IMO, stock have the card give the performance and let the people who want the efficiency, enable it with the driver.
Should have got a basic mic like the Blue Yeti from the start instead of wasting money on the other mics you had. It's the BEST your audio has ever been!
On the power efficiency issue RDNA3 should be performing a good amount better for the amount of power they are using, they just fell short when it came to performance and I think it will be interesting to find out what went wrong with RDNA3. RDNA2 at the same compute unit in some games wins.
That cheap usb mike works so much better!
Oh well. 7900XTX has been a good card, but was hoping for value for everyone on the 6800XT.
Does your Radiator have fans attached to it? Or is it being cooled by those 2, 200mm fans? I trying to see if my eyes are playing tricks on me.
That's what it looks like to me
how much 6800 non xt is left in stock? we are listening to the never ending complaining about the 7700xt price, but as far as i am concerned, they are leaving the price at $450 to encourage people to buy out all of the 6800 non xt.
LMFAO, Thats funny for him to say. Especially when The X3D chips main saving grace over the Intel chip is the Power Consumption. That everybody claims to care about.
I don't understand why they are releasing new SKU's on this architecture, it needs to be binned as soon as possible so they can fix the issues and bring out revised cards.
Contracted to with TSMC. They can't just switch to a new architecture at the drop of a hat. It takes time to get a new chipset to manufacture stage.
Those SKUs have been manufactured a long time ago so they still have to release them.
Then drop the price of this rubbish and get rid of it, but then if the 7600 is going for £220, they've probably already got the message.
@@glkelly308 Once the 6700 to 6800 stock clears they will drop the price depending on sales. That will happen soon.
The card got two 8-pins instead of three because it wasn't worth having three. It wouldn't have improved overclocking performance. XOC guys are pulling 300W or more from an 8pin at times.
Glad you fixed your mic man. Agreed, AMD fucked up. Radeon has been a joke for a long while, which sux; I thought they were going to try again which is why I bought the 6900xt when I did.
Radeon is still the BEST GPU out there ! Compare to SCUMMY Nvidia !
@@gertjanvandermeij4265You should quit doing drugs. AMD hasn't had the 'best' GPU since the legendary 7970. Radeon has become a meme of itself, only there to sell SKUs to consoles.
Since RDNA3 in the first generation to adopt the chiplet design, the cards are a bit underwhelming. I bet AMD thought that the cards would go higher than 3ghz but in the end they could not make that happen. The performances of the cards are still decent, considering its a whole new architecture. But AMD totally fked up while naming these cards. Imagine that a gpu's generational performance uplift is like -20% in some cases. Well, you don't even have to imagine that because it has already happened lol
Ah the clown channel. The 7800xt per launch info is just under a 4070 for 500$ and the 7700xt is only slightly slower for 450. The 6700xt at launch was 480$ and the 6800xt was 650$ so generationally they're much lower priced, and faster too.
You can buy a 6800xt right now for $500. Nobody would buy a 7800xt for $650 when it's looking like it will compete with a 6800xt at best.
@@TV-xv1le It's going to be hilarious next gen when AMD does an nvidia and not drop card prices 1$ because people flaming them that the new gen matches the price to performance of previous gen when previous gen has been price cut to sell in next gen price/performance rates. Not every country in the world got the price cuts, many didn't. A launch MSRP 7800xt that is faster than a 6800xt and 150$ less launch msrp is a good thing. The 7800xt will see price cuts by the end of the year, bundle deals etc. And that will all be down from 500$. If you want to pay the same money for an inferior card go ahead, but RDNA3 has significant advantages over RDNA2, and those advantages will continue to grow with newer games.
@PineyJustice Theres no benchmarks other than what amd showed off vs a 4070. Take that with a grain of salt. A 6800xt already beats a 4070 also just barely and its $500 now. At $650 a 7800xt with less CUs than a 6800xt would be doa. A 7900 gre has 20 more CUs and is around 15% to 20% faster vs a 6800xt. So a 7800xt with 20 less CUs you figure it out. AMD is not doing anyone any favors. Priced any higher a 7800xt would have been a joke.
@@TV-xv1le Well, thing is, it seems the N32 CU do not equal N31 or N33 CU. The 7800xt might be closer to that 7900 gre than you think. At 500$ the 7800xt will be a definitively better value than a 6800xt, even at the steep price cuts, better efficiency, RT and AV1 have value. The RDNA2 cards use about 30% more power than they report. In addition, the 6800xt isn't 500$, they're actually selling for 530$ to 550$ right now on newegg, limited quantity flash sale prices don't really count, nor does some bottom of the barrel powercolor fighter model that's going to die in a year.
@PineyJustice I can pick up a new 6800xt from power color on Amazon for $499 right now. AMD couldn't price the 7800xt any higher for something that will barely compete with last gen. If they charged 30% more and gave you +/- 5% performance the thing would have gone down as pass followed by massive price cuts.
Back to the original mike? Sounds good
Would it have been possible for AMD to have the 7800 XT priced at 400 and still be able to make a profit? Yes, I believe so.
Is the 7800 XT going to be an amazing deal at 500 USD in 2023? I don't think so. Does it suck that incomes haven't kept pace, on average, with the rate of inflation? Yes, absolutely. Is that AMD's fault? Maybe a little bit, but for the most part, no, I don't think so. Does it suck that AMD is trying to push us into buying an upper mid-range card by basically not designing any lower mid-ranged card that they could sell for a good price? Yes, though you could argue that they are still offering a good lower-mid-ranged option in the discounted 6700 XT for around 330 USD.
The 6700 XT launched at a bloated MSRP of 480 USD two and a half years ago in early 2021, so it's admittedly not that impressive to offer a significant improvement in value over that pricing. However, even if the 6700 XT had launched at 400, which is probably close to what it was originally planned to launch at, inflation has been a lot higher than normal in the past three years, and 400 back in early 2021 is equivalent to about 450 USD today. The 7800 XT at 500 USD today is thus about 11% more expensive than that fictitious but very reasonable launch price of 400 in early 2021, but it looks to also be around 40-45% faster, has 33% more Vram, and has additional improvements and features which come with the new architecture. As such, that's at LEAST a 33% improvement in value per dollar. I'm hopeful that the 7800 XTs will have better quality coolers than the average 6700 XT did, because a lot of those were very mediocre at best, including the reference model.
Of course, the 7800 XT won't offer anywhere near a 33% improvement in value per dollar over the CURRENT pricing of previous gen Radeon cards, but you can't expect a new generation card to offer a significant improvement in value vs. cost over discounted previous gen cards which ALREADY offer a very significant improvement in value because of their discounts from the launch MSRP pricing. It's very normal for prices of previous gen cards to come way down before new generation cards are launched, this is nothing new.
Unless the performance numbers shown by AMD are very inaccurate, the 7800 XT is going to be offering a significant improvement in performance per dollar, and value, over previous generation products, and offering a very competitive value against the RTX 4070, which is probably the best value product that Nvidia is currently offering right now. Will the 7800 XT sell as well as they want it to at 500? Probably, I think, but I don't actually know. We'll have to wait and see. If enough people just don't buy any new cards, then prices will eventually have to be dropped, that's for sure, and that's a totally reasonable and viable strategy if you don't like the pricing.
TBH Nvidia does have the superior product. It does everything better including its feature set using less power. Can't argue with it other than price and lack of VRAM. If they 4070 had been 16Gb instead of 12Gb I could even argue that 600 dollars would be justified.
I can't believe that Paul is seriously arguing that the 7800 XT should be 400 USD. I mean, maybe I'm wrong, and maybe that price would have actually make a lot of sense for AMD, but I doubt it. It certainly would have generated a ton of interest, but such a price should never come at the cost of significantly sacrificing the quality of the cooler. Cooler quality has been getting a lot better, on average, over the past few generations, and that has been a very good trend, though they do go overboard sometimes with over-engineered (and often very overpriced) models. If you're putting together a new PC, you can put together an entire system (minus the keyboard, mouse, and monitor) for a very reasonable price, and spending 500 USD on a 7800 XT will be well worth it for a lot of people, and (if you adjust for inflation) the cost of the system as a whole is still going to be very reasonable compared to what PCs cost 5, 10, or 15 years ago.
In the scenarios where the RTX 4070 is going to be able to get its biggest ray tracing wins over the 7800 XT, the performance is still going to be hit really hard on the 4070 as well, or many other settings will need to be turned down to compensate, at which point you're no longer getting a significant improvement in overall image quality. As games get more demanding, it will become decreasingly realistic or practical to expect to be able to run anything more than light-ray tracing, if any, and an RTX 4070 is not likely to have any significant advantage over a 7800 XT with light ray tracing settings, especially with software lumen, which is an extremely efficient and competitive method of ray tracing in terms of the image quality you get relative to the performance cost. The fact that ray tracing also uses more Vram is also a problem for the 4070, because it obviously doesn't have as much to spare. DLSS is better than FSR currently is, but is that worth paying 100 USD more and losing 4GB of Vram? No, especially if FSR on RDNA3 ends up getting closer to the image quality of DLSS, which does seem like a distinct possibility, though you certainly shouldn't count on it yet either. It's not like you actually need to always use upscaling, and running without any upscaling at all is ultimately preferable to running with upscaling, except (arguably) on 4k resolutions or higher. The 12GB of Vram on the 4070 is definitely going to become an increasingly limiting factor in an increasing number of games over the next 3-4 years, which is how long most people who buy a 4070 or 7800 XT are likely to use the card before upgrading it again.
@@Mopantsu There are already some games TODAY which require more than 12GB of Vram at 1440p, such as Ratchet and Clank, which is very clear if you test a 3080 ti vs. a 3090. A 4070 can only get about 44 FPS at very high settings with RT on in Ratchet and clank at 1440p, but it could get closer to 60 FPS if it had 16GB of Vram. A 4070 is only able to beat a 16GB 4060 ti by 1 FPS (with the same 1% lows) in that game at 1440p as well. That's not a huge deal for that game, because you can use DLSS, which doesn't reduce image quality by that much, and I'm pretty sure that reduces the Vram usage enough, but it's a sign of things to come. Over time, it will become increasingly more limiting, and will likely also make some mods for a lot of games completely un-usable, if you care about modding. You don't want to be worrying about Vram, and you don't want textures to sometimes not be loading in, or for performance to start tanking randomly at certain points of a game without knowing why it's happening. It's not a huge deal, but it definitely affects the value and will affect the longevity of the card. If the 4070 had been 450 or lower, it would be a lot harder to complain about it.
The 4070 at 100 USD more with 33% less Vram is a better choice? You think it's worth paying an additional 100 USD for better upscaling quality and better ray tracing performance, but less Vram? The ray tracing performance is going to very often be very similar, and in situations where the 4070 has the biggest ray tracing advantage is also where the performance cost is still going to be very high even for the 4070.
Software Lumen also works just as well on AMD hardware, and potentially better, considering that AMD cards (usually) give you more Vram for equal or less money.
Nothing new on clock speed. I mean AMD bullshitted the numbers for years. Remember the Vegas 64. The boost clock was never ever fucking ever reached. Not even close.
If they just say ok high graphics Ray tracing it you use it and get 60 fps then ok good enough give us the other means of the GPU we want and that's raw performance 300fps at 4k no tay tracing
Good video
End the end, AMD and Nvidia are not that different. There will always be fanboys, (and that’s ok!) pro, cons, ups and downs. We as customers shouldn’t be going at each other, but the companies, together! Who cares what brand you bought. If you are ok with paying what you did for what you got and are enjoying it, then the argument is mute. Like it, then buy it. Don’t like it, don’t buy it! I bought a 4070TI, my son wanted to try the 7700XT. I’m fine with mine and he’s fine with his. Everyone is different and like/dislike different things. Not my place or anyone else’s to tell you different. You can research and come to your own conclusions. I appreciate ALL of you! I do my own research as well as read comments for more insight before making a decision. So thank you, but just because someone bought one over the other should make them a target. Anyway, question for you awesome people’s, you all think Intel will scoop up the budget GPU business? Battle mage is sounding better and better! Thanks all!
Great rant :)
300w card doesn't need three eight pins necessarily. 7900xt is still shit tho. Amd rdna 3 is just not very good they should have just stuck with the high end 6000 series as the mid range for this gen and made 6950xt for 450.
i think 7700xt and over it 7800xt is fine for the price you re ranting too much, its okay now with those two its really the right moment to have a gpu
Was it AMD or AMD's shareholders that wanted to get better return on their investment that drove the prices up to cash in on the crypto boom of the past years? I the latter are mostly to blame IMO, for dictating AMD's pricing strategy we been seeing of slotting in SKU's msrp between team green's extortionist pricing strategy.
What's wrong is Lisa Su is jsens cousin so the whole graphics industry is a family duopoly, basically what you do when you can't make a monopoly
CEO of Nvidia and CEO of AMD are first cousins once removed, that's not even second cousin lol. They grew up together lol
Amd gas given me 0 reason to upgrade from my 6800xt
RDNA 3 is faster than RDNA 2 for Ray Tracing ….. but as stated, only a handful of % which isn’t worth anything in todays gaming. AMD I agree, needs to do better on its pricing like they did in recent times with RDNA 2 based gpus and get the market share and still make a decent profit. As we’ve seen this entire GPU generation from AMD and Nvidia, nobody’s buying as they did their purchasing during Covid with work or study from home and there’s no value in upgrading for what’s being offered at current price points. Also as we’re seeing, it’s only higher end gpus this generation which are able to get by in newer titles due to a more intense graphical demand.
Amd have horrendous prices now. 😂 A shitty mb more than 180 usd. A 6 core at 300 at launch. An $1000 6800xt replacement. I'm not buying anything this gen anyways but next one I'll be watching closer the Intel/Nvidia stuff.
Also, props for fixing that mic finally 😁
Comments like your is way I stay away from drugs.
so apple being forced to allow 3rd party apps
Where is the reaction to the RX 7700x and the RX 7800? You fucked up the price / performance predictions and this is another rant on the architecture
The trouble is both AMD and Nvidia are primarily owned by the same company. There is no competition!
Which company owns both?
@thameer8627 The Vanguard Group, Inc are major share holders in both companies.
This is what these clownshoes don't get. Vangaurds biggest shareholder is blackrock, blackrock biggest shareholder is vanguard (same company).
@@mikep9418 if that's true why vanguard group let amd punch intel on the face they have both as well
Look at that baby face
I will say it for the 1000th time...AMD came up with a cheaper process just to then increase margins...Nvidia, pricy as they be, atleast tried to sell me a new feature set. AMDs marketing department is just completely out of touch and its so bad that I personally consider Intel over AMD. Nvidia releases cards at 400-500 bucks that do the most demanding title currently at 90FPS with good visuals, max setting and RT, meanwhile AMD goes whoopsie doopsie...
I am surprised you are seeing the light. I am not afraid to call out AMD, you buy there GPUs and end up becoming an engineer to get them to work properly. The 5700xt is there best card imo, the power performance on that little sucker can give you ultra 1080p and medium 1440p for less than 150 US dollars. I am not about to waste money on these new junks, embrace the old and save the money.
That's a complete BS narrative. AMD cards aren't especially difficult to use.
@@syncmonism You do know that there is tons forums and videos on youtube to back up my claim? Hell this one guy spent the most of two years figuring out why his gpu keeps crashing.
AMD is falling apart I don't know what's happening behind doors but they need to get their stuff together, get Lisa and Herkelman out.
Lisa Su should be CPU only and the Radeon division seperated out again as its own entity to make them competetive.
Get rid of Lisa Su? Seriously?! XD
AMD's PR and marketing in general is weak, I agree with that, but the 7800 XT looks to be the best value improvement over previous gen graphics cards of the current generation. It looks to be a very well rounded graphics card, offering about a 40-45% improvement over the performance of the 6700 XT, 33% more Vram, and a variety of other improvements and features over the previous generation, for an MSRP which is, after adjusting for inflation, lower than the launch MSRP of the 6700 XT.
Inflation is real, and has been a lot higher than normal over the past three years, whether you like it or not, and you can't blame AMD for average income not keeping pace with inflation.
Paul, just because you don't know how to configure it doesn't make what you are saying true.
Configuring it is different from previous generations, but having found out how, it is quite easy to do, and I would teach you how to do it, but you have me blocked.
There is one thing that I have found out which is a VALID criticism, but there again, you don't want to know valid criticisms, you just want to make shit up.
AMD is to busy trying to compete with itself then to compete with nvidia