Blind Seer does have one thing over most contemporary color changers: It can make your things non-blue in mono-blue. That means it can get around Protection (which was then more common) which things like the Laces can’t do since they can’t make things colors you don’t already have. That’s, of course, more a condemnation of the Laces than anything good on Blind Seer’s front.
Bill Ferny is so confusing. It seems like the card must have been designed to create a horse token when it enters, right? There are only three horses in LTR and LTC, none of which you'd want to give away. When those sets came out, it looks like there was only one card ever that creates horse tokens? (Crested Sunmare) and you don't want to give away a 5/5 for three treasures, either. All the cheap horses you'd want to give away are from like 25 years ago. I have no idea what anyone was meant to do with this card.
If you give changeling to Bill Ferny, you can give him, and that removes him from combat. It's not good, but It's a bit like a humble defector. The changeling equipment from Lorwyn is easy to tutor and stays on him when he's gifted so he can be passed around.
I think it was meant to come with cards like that older Akron card which was a 0/4 and gave anyone who is not controlling it a 1/1 every turn... They should have created other 0 power Horses with effects like this (opponent adds 1 mana, controller cannot play counterspells etc.) and add a Lure effect to Bill Ferny
@@איתןשי Zero power beasts of burden with utility is such a cool concept, like Giant Ox. It would be great to see some cards like that with synergy designed around them.
Taniwha can actually make a really competent stax edh deck- Just tap your lands before they phase out and then cast a mass land destruction spell like sunder to bounce all lands except your own
@Psyman2 the card reads “at the beginning of your upkeep” so you can just tap and float all your mana in response to the trigger then cast something like sunder once the trigger has resolved
Mono Blue is probably the worst color for land destruction. So if you're using Taniwha like that, that means you're building a deck with another Commander, built around tutoring up a shitty card to do something you could do better in many different ways. You'd be better off doing almost literally anything else as a deck theme. At least Hisoka could be a fun bad Commander card.
I can speak from personal experience when I say The Unspeakable is absolute garbage. I ran it in my Soulshift Kamigawa deck on EDH, with the three spells, and not once have I ever cast it. Ever. I doubt I ever well. By comparison, I hope that we will one day receive "Top 10 Vintage Cards (Minus Power 9)"!
Basically impossible in EDH. It's more doable in 60-card formats where you can run, you know, multiples of the spells you need to cast. That said, the juice still isn't worth the squeeze
I feel Blind Seer having so many decks on EDHrec has less to do w/ what the card does, & more to do w/ Vorthos players wanting an Urza deck w/ no other Urza commander option until 2019 when Urza, Lord High Artificer was printed in Modern Horizon.
Well if you look at the cards in the decks, they definitely have more to do with what he does than with him being Urza. Most of them are either color hate or pay you off for just targeting, like Willbender
Would it tho? A 7/7 with trample for 5 is pretty bad in commander, even with small upside. And getting X landfall triggers for the price of not having any mana that turn cycle is also kinda bad xD
I have a Tomorrow deck I rarely play because it’s busted. Turns take forever and since I’m essentially scrying 3 every time I draw, I can easily get to answers.
Best deck I ever had was a tomorrow deck…. That just dug and stalled until I got omniscience and enter the infinite… so maybe it was just a tutor less Omniscience -Enter the infinite deck.
I have a Tomorrow deck as well! It's nice how you can make just about anything work since you're looking at 3 times as many cards as everyone else. And if you really don't want friends, Possessed Portal is a great place to start :)
re: @9:28 Keeping The Unspeakable alive for a turn. Its (his?) three-spell ritual can be cast at instant speed, meaning you can "flash" it in at your opponent's end step. Does that make it better? Probably not. But it's factually true that, if done correctly, you don't need to wait that turn.
The wording on Taniwha's land phasing effect felt strange, so I went to check the Oracle text and ... I guess when it is in play, your lands are mostly just gone? "At the beginning of your upkeep, all lands you control phase out. (They phase in before you untap during your next untap step.)"
@@matthewloser7567 To be honest, these arguments all boil down to "ACKCHYUALLY, in this very rare and niche circumstance this card is ACKCHYUALLY good".
@@rafaelsousa2633 Obviously you can't afford a slow 6-mana clunker that needs to untap, but I feel like in Commander he's probably the best card on this list, despite Blind Seer seeing more play, because while Tomorrow is inefficient, most of the others just do *nothing*
Outside of competitive, Blue might have some of the WORST legends ever. Mostly due to stats when blue was more focused on abilities than strength and those abilities had TERRIBLE costs and conditions. Oh man, I forgot how BAD a set like the Kamigawa block was to legends. Yes, they had some ridiculously powerful ones, but they had some of the WORST in the game too, especially for the time it came out.
Revaka better than it looks imo, obviously it's not a super-strong card but I think there are limited environments where "2 damage every other turn" is a reasonable threat. I personally have an old-border cube with Revaka in it. I think if you imagine an alternate universe where it's a red Amonkhet card that reads "tap, exert: deal 2 damage to any target" you'd go, huh, reasonable filler card for limited. But being a blue homelands card with a bunch of text makes it seem worse than it is. Mistform Ultimus should be on this list (despite having cool flavor). A below-rate vanilla creature that never did anything even at the time it was released.
Mistform Ultimus turned Endemic Plague into a straight up Wrath, at a time when black generally didn't get those. In a block as creature focused as Onslaught, that seemed pretty good.
Bill plus maskwood Nexus allows you to give tokens. There's other ways in blue to do this too. Taniwha is super broken in land destruction decks. I have blind deer in my color matters deck. He really puts in work there.
I actually made a taniwha deck. The part where you lands phase out is actually the upside and it's not all that super hard to manipulate taniwha's phasing. It's built as a stax deck though
Bill Ferney and an Unnatural Selection lets you stick an opponent with some pretty funny creatures. Or if you have a way to temporarily steal someone else's creature and then pawn it off on a third player lol.
"you wanna prove me wrong and build a sweet commander deck around one of them? well good luck!" that's how that would go if I were the one making the videos, anyway
I had a very competitive the unspeakable deck back in kamigawa block, it used long forgotten gohei to tutor the unspeakable on turn 4 95% of the time and everything was arcane like the boomerang and a few other control pieces. However outside of block I would never try it.
It kind of depends on what you're looking at. On their respective turns that's kind of true, but if you think about which one has a better ability to take over a game, it's definitely the 5/5 Flyer that can turn off a removal spell. But we're splitting some pretty crappy hairs here.
I have a blind seer commander deck and let me assure you, it puts in some pretty ridiculous work. Just gotta know what to do with him, especially if you like playing on hard mode :)
I feel like I would want something bigger than 1/2 for 5 mana even if it weren't primarily used for combat. I'm a casual player though so you're most likely right.
honestly only reason the number 1 card is number 1 is cause the ability costs mana if it didnt garentee people would play it as a sort of worse version of kozalek the great distortion
How is Tomorrow bad exactly? Sure, it's not amazing, but you made it sound like you only got card selection and not card advantage. You get both. It is almost like scrying 3 before each card you would draw otherwise, meaning brainstorm would get you 9 cards into your deck. Plus, it gets around Sheoldred, Bowmasters, Narset, etc., draw triggers, and it has a toughness of 5, so it's not easily killed.
It doesn't give you card advantage at all on it's own, though. It's a replacement effect. It IMPROVES the quality of your draw, which like I said that ability is pretty nice -- but on a 6-mana 1/5 that slow of an ability isn't very good. Try playing with it sometime, and you'll be underwhelmed. I've been there. Haha.
Tomorrow is the best card on the list by far. The card selection you get, not to mention the combo with Sylvan library. Lu su also wins the game with mind over matter. Much more abusable than a 5 mana enchantment
Considering how good donating Taniwha is in commander, I don’t think it should be on this list since you can actually do something powerful with it unlike the rest of the cards
If your argument for a card not being bad is, 'When I give it to my opponent they lose,' you don't have a good argument. Many of the worst cards in the game are good in that situation.
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"How did humans survive the Kami War? Don't ask me, I wasn't any help." --Hisoka, Minamo Sensei
i swear they just subtracted 1/1 from every creature's statline at the last second for kamigawa block
*me shuddering in fear at the idea of Isamaru being a 3/3 for W*
@@minervadetauro7646 Dies to Bolt, so it's fair.
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Isamaru is a good boy.
He deserves to be a 3/3.
After almost killing the competitive scene with mirrodin, its understandable xD
The Unspeakable definitely needs a thoracic-gynecological exam ASAP; please whip the art director for that one
Blind Seer does have one thing over most contemporary color changers: It can make your things non-blue in mono-blue. That means it can get around Protection (which was then more common) which things like the Laces can’t do since they can’t make things colors you don’t already have. That’s, of course, more a condemnation of the Laces than anything good on Blind Seer’s front.
Bill Ferny is so confusing. It seems like the card must have been designed to create a horse token when it enters, right? There are only three horses in LTR and LTC, none of which you'd want to give away. When those sets came out, it looks like there was only one card ever that creates horse tokens? (Crested Sunmare) and you don't want to give away a 5/5 for three treasures, either. All the cheap horses you'd want to give away are from like 25 years ago. I have no idea what anyone was meant to do with this card.
Yeah it definitely feels like they made some kind of an error before it went to print
If you give changeling to Bill Ferny, you can give him, and that removes him from combat.
It's not good, but It's a bit like a humble defector.
The changeling equipment from Lorwyn is easy to tutor and stays on him when he's gifted so he can be passed around.
I think it was meant to come with cards like that older Akron card which was a 0/4 and gave anyone who is not controlling it a 1/1 every turn...
They should have created other 0 power Horses with effects like this (opponent adds 1 mana, controller cannot play counterspells etc.) and add a Lure effect to Bill Ferny
@@איתןשי Zero power beasts of burden with utility is such a cool concept, like Giant Ox. It would be great to see some cards like that with synergy designed around them.
Hit up Gatherer for a card called Unnatural Selection and think about horse trading in a whole new light.
Taniwha can actually make a really competent stax edh deck- Just tap your lands before they phase out and then cast a mass land destruction spell like sunder to bounce all lands except your own
You can't tap lands before they phase out since it happens during the untap step where no actions can be taken.
@Psyman2 the card reads “at the beginning of your upkeep” so you can just tap and float all your mana in response to the trigger then cast something like sunder once the trigger has resolved
@@rasta7655 You do need to cast at instant speed, but I guess Sunder works.
Mono Blue is probably the worst color for land destruction. So if you're using Taniwha like that, that means you're building a deck with another Commander, built around tutoring up a shitty card to do something you could do better in many different ways. You'd be better off doing almost literally anything else as a deck theme. At least Hisoka could be a fun bad Commander card.
@@gakk8658 Having a "hidden commander" has been a very popular deckbuilding challenge for years
I can speak from personal experience when I say The Unspeakable is absolute garbage. I ran it in my Soulshift Kamigawa deck on EDH, with the three spells, and not once have I ever cast it. Ever. I doubt I ever well. By comparison, I hope that we will one day receive "Top 10 Vintage Cards (Minus Power 9)"!
Basically impossible in EDH. It's more doable in 60-card formats where you can run, you know, multiples of the spells you need to cast.
That said, the juice still isn't worth the squeeze
I feel Blind Seer having so many decks on EDHrec has less to do w/ what the card does, & more to do w/ Vorthos players wanting an Urza deck w/ no other Urza commander option until 2019 when Urza, Lord High Artificer was printed in Modern Horizon.
Well if you look at the cards in the decks, they definitely have more to do with what he does than with him being Urza. Most of them are either color hate or pay you off for just targeting, like Willbender
God imagine how broken Taniwha would be i phasing gave you landfall though.
Yep my thought
Even then it removes all your mana every other turn.
If the game was different it'd probably be better.
Would it tho? A 7/7 with trample for 5 is pretty bad in commander, even with small upside. And getting X landfall triggers for the price of not having any mana that turn cycle is also kinda bad xD
I have a Tomorrow deck I rarely play because it’s busted. Turns take forever and since I’m essentially scrying 3 every time I draw, I can easily get to answers.
Best deck I ever had was a tomorrow deck…. That just dug and stalled until I got omniscience and enter the infinite… so maybe it was just a tutor less Omniscience -Enter the infinite deck.
I have a Tomorrow deck as well! It's nice how you can make just about anything work since you're looking at 3 times as many cards as everyone else. And if you really don't want friends, Possessed Portal is a great place to start :)
Thats not busted, thats just an annoying waste of everyones time xD
re: @9:28 Keeping The Unspeakable alive for a turn. Its (his?) three-spell ritual can be cast at instant speed, meaning you can "flash" it in at your opponent's end step. Does that make it better? Probably not. But it's factually true that, if done correctly, you don't need to wait that turn.
Did I hear it wrong? He said the "Unspeakable costs 6 generic and TWO blue."
She Lu on my Su until I Wu on her Advisor
Poor advisor
My guy is gooning, and I’m here for it
@@monterraythehomelessThat’s why he’s ascending
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I love how unhinged Nizzahon’s comments are compared to how professional and non-humorous his videos are
The wording on Taniwha's land phasing effect felt strange, so I went to check the Oracle text and ... I guess when it is in play, your lands are mostly just gone? "At the beginning of your upkeep, all lands you control phase out. (They phase in before you untap during your next untap step.)"
Hisoka is bad, yes. But the painting is beautiful. Donato Giancola is a master
And don't forget that Bungee Gum has the properties of both rubber and gum.
Missed a point on tomorrow. It allows you to ignore sheoldred and bowmasters draw a card trigger
If you're playing a format with Sheoldred or Bowmasters, you probably already lost before casting Tomorrow.
Tomorrow also prevents you from decking out because you don't draw the card.
@@matthewloser7567 To be honest, these arguments all boil down to "ACKCHYUALLY, in this very rare and niche circumstance this card is ACKCHYUALLY good".
@@rafaelsousa2633 Obviously you can't afford a slow 6-mana clunker that needs to untap, but I feel like in Commander he's probably the best card on this list, despite Blind Seer seeing more play, because while Tomorrow is inefficient, most of the others just do *nothing*
@@astuteanansi4935 mistform ultimus literally has its own archetype tho, meanwhile tomorrow is a worse version of like 200 other legendaries
Hisoka is Kozilek at home
I have a friend with a Tomorrow deck, he's always our target when playing that.
Outside of competitive, Blue might have some of the WORST legends ever. Mostly due to stats when blue was more focused on abilities than strength and those abilities had TERRIBLE costs and conditions.
Oh man, I forgot how BAD a set like the Kamigawa block was to legends. Yes, they had some ridiculously powerful ones, but they had some of the WORST in the game too, especially for the time it came out.
Revaka better than it looks imo, obviously it's not a super-strong card but I think there are limited environments where "2 damage every other turn" is a reasonable threat. I personally have an old-border cube with Revaka in it. I think if you imagine an alternate universe where it's a red Amonkhet card that reads "tap, exert: deal 2 damage to any target" you'd go, huh, reasonable filler card for limited. But being a blue homelands card with a bunch of text makes it seem worse than it is.
Mistform Ultimus should be on this list (despite having cool flavor). A below-rate vanilla creature that never did anything even at the time it was released.
Mistform Ultimus turned Endemic Plague into a straight up Wrath, at a time when black generally didn't get those. In a block as creature focused as Onslaught, that seemed pretty good.
Bill plus maskwood Nexus allows you to give tokens. There's other ways in blue to do this too.
Taniwha is super broken in land destruction decks.
I have blind deer in my color matters deck. He really puts in work there.
Taniwha is, in fact, not broken in LD decks in any format.
Tomorrow sounds like a really fun card to play with Will, Scion of Peace. But it might take a lot of time to resolve a big x draw spell.
For Alhamaret, I didn’t realize that you could only choose ONE card. I thought, at first glance, it was one per opponent (which would still be bad 😂).
I actually made a taniwha deck. The part where you lands phase out is actually the upside and it's not all that super hard to manipulate taniwha's phasing. It's built as a stax deck though
I mean, all I can think of is how funny Alhamarret could be in a blink deck though
Alhamarret's effect resets every time you blink it, so you only stop one card at at time.
@ womp womp
Bill Ferney and an Unnatural Selection lets you stick an opponent with some pretty funny creatures. Or if you have a way to temporarily steal someone else's creature and then pawn it off on a third player lol.
I love old kamigawa jank in all of its strange glory.
"you wanna prove me wrong and build a sweet commander deck around one of them? well good luck!"
that's how that would go if I were the one making the videos, anyway
I had a very competitive the unspeakable deck back in kamigawa block, it used long forgotten gohei to tutor the unspeakable on turn 4 95% of the time and everything was arcane like the boomerang and a few other control pieces. However outside of block I would never try it.
Hey, I rather love my Tomorrow deck! It is slow, but it’s a heck of a lot of fun!
I think today, Taniwha would not even see play if it had just 2CMC.
Tamiwah is an absolute Kill on Sight commander haha, I've seen decks built around it based on abusing your lands phasing out with cards like Sunder.
Personally, I'd prefer a vanilla 2/1 for 2 over a 5/5 with flying for 7.
Same
It kind of depends on what you're looking at. On their respective turns that's kind of true, but if you think about which one has a better ability to take over a game, it's definitely the 5/5 Flyer that can turn off a removal spell.
But we're splitting some pretty crappy hairs here.
Hisoka commander deck with a card draw/self mill focus could be fun. Not for my friends but for me for sure
"Top 10 most fun challenges to build a deck around"
Hisoka's art looks like he just got told he was the worst blue Legend
I used to use Reveka, Wizard Savant with Norritt from Ice Age. It sure was bad yes
I am happy Hakim isn't on this list because he is super fun as a mono Blue voltron edh deck.
I was expecting mistform ultimus on there.
As a commander, what horses does Bill Ferny have access to? Blue doesn't have a lot of those.
I have a blind seer commander deck and let me assure you, it puts in some pretty ridiculous work. Just gotta know what to do with him, especially if you like playing on hard mode :)
I was still pretty new to the game when Alhammarret, High Arbiter came out and I wanted him to be good so badly. And he just wasn’t
Lu Su of the Wu costs two blue for a one/two
I actually think The Unspeakable is really cool and have janky deck with him at the helm
This is a man whos read commends on how to prononce Taniwha
Taniwha, The unspeakable and Tomorrow are cool cards! Not good, but cool ehehehehe
Tomorrow is great for a mill deck, never loose for drawing cards
Underrealm Lich does it better. Plus now you're in Golgari, much better than smelly ol' Blue.
A Lu Su that can use its ability when it comes in play isn't going to keep it off this list.
Actually, I think it probably would. Drawing a card up front and then drawing a card every subsequent turn is pretty alright for 5 mana.
I feel like I would want something bigger than 1/2 for 5 mana even if it weren't primarily used for combat. I'm a casual player though so you're most likely right.
I'm making a changeling deck, just so that my opponent can't kill Bill.
Did i read #9 wrong? He doesnt trade if you give a horse he removes himself from combat
Was hoping Reveka, Wizard Savant ranked higher.
I hope one day they release a horse with downside for Bill
Poor blue, it just got some of the most inefficient creatures
Nah, blue doesnt need the help of efficient creatures.
Maybe next year you could do a top 10 food for Thanksgiving. cards that make food token or use food in some way
I have done that on two separate Thanksgivings, including last year. But maybe by next year it will be time for an update
honestly only reason the number 1 card is number 1 is cause the ability costs mana if it didnt garentee people would play it as a sort of worse version of kozalek the great distortion
I mean, it gets around drawing from an empty library 8:09
Why's there a vajayjay in the thumbnail lolol
that is crazy to me
We don't speak about it
That's just how spirits be. Crazy ass soul vagugu's.
How is Tomorrow bad exactly? Sure, it's not amazing, but you made it sound like you only got card selection and not card advantage. You get both. It is almost like scrying 3 before each card you would draw otherwise, meaning brainstorm would get you 9 cards into your deck. Plus, it gets around Sheoldred, Bowmasters, Narset, etc., draw triggers, and it has a toughness of 5, so it's not easily killed.
It doesn't give you card advantage at all on it's own, though. It's a replacement effect. It IMPROVES the quality of your draw, which like I said that ability is pretty nice -- but on a 6-mana 1/5 that slow of an ability isn't very good.
Try playing with it sometime, and you'll be underwhelmed. I've been there. Haha.
Let's face it the unspeakable would be 6 mana and have hexproof nowadays easily
This is going to be a good one
new commander decks here I come
Tomorrow is the best card on the list by far. The card selection you get, not to mention the combo with Sylvan library. Lu su also wins the game with mind over matter. Much more abusable than a 5 mana enchantment
Why did Bill Ferny even get a card? It's not like he was important in LOTR
it feels kinda weird that most of these are asian themed
This list illustrates why we didn't return to Kamigawa for decades it was a dud farm of a block
Was expecting Geralf's Masterpiece to be on the list, but apparently it's too mediocre
More to the point: NOT Legendary.
Not legendary.
Also, was pretty good in Limited.
The second time you said Taniwha is that closest to how it's pronounced
Considering how good donating Taniwha is in commander, I don’t think it should be on this list since you can actually do something powerful with it unlike the rest of the cards
If your argument for a card not being bad is, 'When I give it to my opponent they lose,' you don't have a good argument. Many of the worst cards in the game are good in that situation.
@ a lot of the worst cards in the game don’t do anything even when given to the opponent