You are not the only ones having problems with PPU 7.62(may be closer to 7.62 NATO in size) in an AR10 based platform, It seems that the chambers are just slightly tight so the cases stick when hot as 7.62 NATO neck dia is .0017 wider than .308 .
That is just UA-cam groupie Parrot mouth talking nonsense. I've been loading ammo and wildcat cartridges since 1976 and a custom rifle builder for 25 years. I even build specialized AR 10s in odd cartridges and all of the WSM magnums. It might help to identify High pressure loads by looking at the fired case primers. Seems like all rifles there are total junk .
@@wigger88 I am an advanced reloader going back to 1976 so all my ammo is reloaded by me. I use PPU brass & bullets and the bullets I shot to target o just blasting bullets or shooting varmints. I buy from Graf & Sons online sales all the PPU products. I am considering shooting the PPU 375 - 300 grain round noise FMJ for Alaskan Yukon Moose from my AR 10 I've done in 375-300 WSM. If I were to have a from behind shot to angle a bullet from back of ribs to frontal area the PPU 300 grain round noise FMJ should do well when they leave the AR 10s 25.5 inch Pac Nor super match barrel muzzle at 2550 FPS. The other PPU bullets that do well from my AR 10 I've done in 6.5-284 Norma are the PPU 156 grain semi pointed soft points that mimic flight path of the Norma 156 grain Oryx and Vulcan bullets. I can save the High-cost Norma bullets and shoot the low cost PPU bullets to get load testing and distance test to set the scopes target knobs to work with a range finder and put load data in a book for very same 156 grain weight bullets. I do have a feeling if shooting the 6.5 PPU 156 grain bullets at deer or Elk they would be find because these are extremely long bullets and the 6.5-284 is a dead match for the 270-win shooting the same close bullet weights as in 6.5 mm bullets.
I’ve seen other calibres have trouble with that ppu shit. 223. 308 and 3030 all in different brand guns. Edit marlin, Winchester, CZ, and tikka rifles.
@@robertaus8420 Instead up just talking foul mouth wanting sound like an uneducated tough guy try explaining actual problems PPU ammunition has caused. I am sure readers want to hear about actual problems PPU ammunition has caused. Anyone can make up nonsense talk here. I don't buy any loaded ammunition when I reload for all my firearms, but what I can say the PPU brass - bullets I use bought through Graf & Sons works extremely well and very good prices. I especially like the PPU 311" 150 grain boat tail soft points to load for 7.62x39 that shoot very will from by AR 15 - 7.62x39. make an excellent deer load using 25 grains of CFE -Black powder. I have over 1000 PPU 7.62x39 brass for reloading - very good brass ! I use PPU 6.5 mm 139 grain FMJ and 156 grain semi round nose bullets for my 6.5-284 Norma in the AR 10 - they both work great!
The only advantage California has on us is they can get a semi auto rifle easier, we win at everything else compared to them. Also, we can have new Russian and Chinese guns & ammo, shorter rifles than the US and stocks on pistols with no SBR paperwork.
Called it, your camel vid made me curious and led to me Googling an ar10 pump rifle. The things you learn when your learning about someone else's life. Thanks Jack
Oh man... we were making fun of this gun here in the states and couldn't figure out why anyone would design and then this thing. Now I know. Stupid laws in other countries
I love learning about gun lawsn in other countries and this guy describes them so well. People may think that rhonda is a weird or maybe even "stupid" design because of the laws, but in a sort of curious way, i am very intrigued about a pump action .308. Can't wait to see it in action.
Intrigued, eh? Hunters in the northeast have been using them for over 100 years. The Remington Model 14, 760, 7600 are all tried and true guns that have put game on the meat pole.
@@krm944 I have heard of pump action rifles before, but I have never used one or have I ever seen one. Especially not in a AR platform. I think it is kinda cool in a way that is hard to describe.
@@alexthorn8050 I think Troy industries built one targeting export to People’s Republic of Canada when the government became tyrannical. Remington made the 7615- it doesn’t have all the scary features that trigger gun grabbers emotions. The reliability preview of this Wedgetail is horrible.
@@krm944 Can confirm, Troy made the PAR (Pump Action AR) primarily targeted to the Canadian market. I know it was chambered in .223 obviously, but not sure if they had offerings in other calibres.
My range has to be able to see down the barrel of the rifle after the bolt is removed so I can’t get one because AR platforms are so difficult to assemble and disassemble in the situation I am in.😢
As another has said, an issue with cycling (beyond break in period) could be the vertical foregrip. The angle which it’s held puts diagonal pressure on the pump action and puts pressure on the pump’s guide rod. Try using an angled or handstop style grip. Also I recommend over lubing the gun. Old machine gunner’s trick is to have a small squeeze bottle of ATF fluid in a pocket for when your gun is heating up. It keeps you in action during the fight and you clean up later.
@markhanna3990 I would like to strongly disagree with that. ARs/ M4s love to be ran wet. If it's too wet (never see it with an AR) than the excess will just be blown off. Do a quick Google search and you will confirm that
@@658websteryes, you are right. We use an AR10 style (PWS) 308 for culling here in Qld and that's exactly what they need. I'm amazed at the old wives takes out there. The action is completely enclosed when locked up, so dust ingress isn't an issue sticking to the lube. The firearms can be covered in dust out here, but the internals are clean. AR's are very well refined in that respect. However, our firearms are piston driven, and stay clean around the bolt area between cleaning. Additionally we use LVPO scopes 1-8x that accept screw-on flip up dust caps, wouldn't be without them on working firearms.
One of the many uses of ATF. I mean the magical red fluid in your automatic transmission. Not ATF that will shootbyour dog and try and take your guns in the USA.
First let me say a few things. One my Dad and I love the vids. Second my Dad love the Nutrien hat, he’s just retired from the Plant in North Carolina. Third I’ve never really understood the Gun situation in Australia. It’s amazing what I’ve been taking for granted. Anyway love the videos keep up the work.
I suggest a angle fore grip instead of that one. The angle one allows you to have your thumb over the side rail as well as the lower rail giving you better stability while firing and will probably not kick you off target as much with that vertical grip since they're not used much anymore for this reason
A C clamp is great for semi auto rifles for firing fast. If it's a pump gun I barely see the point because the fastest way of running that style gun is to pump the action as soon as possible after taking the shot. So, if he were to take your advice, he would be waiting for the recoil to settle back on target, then take his thumb off the handguard to cycle the action. That will, again, throw your view off target. It doesn't make for quick follow up shots. Also, a C-clamp is more strenuous to utilize for long periods of time, but especially in the case where you're trying to alternate between a C clamp and pumping the foregrip. Don't forget the he also cannot use the vertical foregrip to pull the rifle back into his shoulder.
PPU is a favored brand for reloading as the brass tends to run thicker. That combined with a hotter round could cause the casings to stick a bit. Could remove the BCG, take a bit of cleaning rod with a bronze brush soaked in CLP, chuck that into a drill and do a little polishing of the chamber. A .45ACP bore brush would work but they also sell 7.62 chamber brushes.
Sucks when your $4000 rifle cant run any type of ammo.... not only does it cost an arm and a leg for the rifle set up (rifle, mags, sight etc), it costs you the other arm and leg cuz it has expensive taste for ammo! haha Hopefully it will "break in" a bit, some of those tight tolerances will loosen slightly and you can run whatever type of ammo you can get! Just stumbled across your content in my suggestions recently. From a fellow member of the commonwealth (Canada), I can empathize with your struggles on silly firearms restrictions. Keep on rocking in the outback Jack!
That's a crap setup dude,sorry you've let your country totally Fuck you over on your gun laws . they're trying there hardest to do the same thing here. GODDAMN THEM ALL TO THE DEPTHS OF HELL FOR THEIR CORRUPTION!!!!
Don't know all the laws in Australia, but consider buying one of the PMAG AR10 mag couplers to connect two of those 10rnd mags together for faster reloads!
The chamber probably has some micro burrs from the milling process. After break in(1-2 hundred rounds maybe)it should get less picky about extraction over time and you’ll be able to run that PPU more reliably.
Don't even have to use ammo for that, just use some very high grit sandpaper or use a polishing compound in there with a dremel and buffing wheel and you'll be good to go.
It is so hard to fathom how such of a big deal this for you all. I'm happy to see you can have this tool at your beck and call....but crazy to think all the restrictions you have to deal with!
Good content interesting what you have to go thro to purchase a firearm I never realized what a problem camels were in western Australia greetings from Wisconsin
Nice shooting! If you find that the point of impact drifts in the direction of the last sight correction, try lightly tapping the turret with something to settle the adjuster screw after every correction. I imagine you probably know that, but thought I would throw it out there in case you didn't. Also, for lube, I have used a lightweight synthetic engine oil on tight guns because it doesn't have the detergents that some gun lubes have that keep breaking down carbon and creating a slurry. It looks like you do your research before putting out a video on a firearm and use proper firearms safety at all times,which I greatly appreciate. Good for people to have a proper role model. You and "Mark and Sam after work" are my two favorite aussies to watch for shooting sports.
First off I enjoy your videos a great deal . It’s sad to see what you have to go through to protect your property. So every one in other countries!!! This is what happens when you give up your rights . Don’t let this happen to you . I admire your tenacity sir . Thank you and keep up the good work .
Been watching ur videos now a bit. Think I'll subscribe. It's sad ur limited to a pump, but at least u can have that. And the fact that it is minute of camel should be satisfying. Thanks 4 the videos and keep up the important job u are doing. 👍
Have you considered polishing the chamber? could have some corrosion from shipping or a rough machine mark making the chamber sticky. happened to My AR 10 when it was new. some fine polish compound on a .45 caliber mop for the case body, and then a .30 cal for the neck and throat and spind. did wonders. also carbon buildup down the road can make it stick
I was wondering if you’ve ever tried using a lever action for culling. Is it not as good of an option due to having to individually reload each round into the tube mag? I was thinking that the lever mechanism might be quicker than a bolt and was interested to hear your thoughts on it
You'd be surprised at how fast you can load a tube mag. Within the US competition circuits, there are speed loaders for lever action rifles in competitions such a cowboy action shooting and the like. They're used to quite great effect in reducing the time it takes to get off a reload.
Jack I have a mate that has the semi 308 and he has also had a lot of issues with ammunition type, also had quite a few issues with the gun it self. Also got to love the old fellas and their crocs🤣 my old fella wears his to work😂.
honestly get a angled grip if that, you shouldnt riding the grip forward as the buffer spring will push it back forward into battery. A lot of guys use a modified C-clamp style for shooting pump action spring assisted platforms like this where they will C-clamp it on the pull back, and let go of the pump and let the spring carry it forward, and essentially 'hover' your hand just off the pump as it flies forward and meet it when it goes back into battery. Pretty sure Aussie reviews uses the technique in his video, but it helps with cycling, the gun does get sticky but it shouldnt be sticking with less than a mag through it based on the reviews ive seen.
The buffer spring won't send it all the way home, we tested it a number of times, it's inconsistent. I have an angled forgrip here to throw on and can try that out, as i had it for my other pump action 308.. Gotta run it very wet, which is suitable for something with a good dust cover.
Well it sucks that they make you use a pump but at least its something. What I really dont like is that they are charging you $3,500 for a gun that I can but in the US for $1000 at most. The only AR10s that cost $3,500 are going to be the top of the top of the line brands. If you have mag feeding issues (which you should not because 308 is not picky) try the metal mags from companies like LaRaue if you can get them. I have rifles that will not feed from the pmags but run prefect with the high dollar metal mags. Downside is they are $100 a mag. Also be sure to keep that BCG lubed up. ARs like to run with plenty of lube. You dont need to soak it in it till its dripping but a rag with lube on it to wipe it all down before use works very well. With the amount of dust you have that gets on everything that will be helpful
I assume that is Australian dollars and not US dollars. But, for the same money you could have a very nice rifle, with a very nice trigger, with a Cerakote finish, scoped, with a bipod ready to go for the same money. I don't know about spending that much for the metal mags. Magpul mags should be pretty reliable. Not sure what is available in Australia, but Hexmags are decent and inexpensive in the US. Lancer makes some really good polymer magazines with steel feed lips also. They are typically around double the cost of a Magpul mag in the US.
Can you guys reload your own shells in au? I’ve had bad experiences with ppu ammo. You’d be amazed on how much it will improve accuracy and dependability.
Yes, we can reload our ammunition. It is much better for getting the perfect load for your rifle. Primers are a bit hard to get at the moment due to a shortage in the USA which provides most of them for us.
Such a difficult to operate design, rotary threa bolt head with straight pull vertical grip. Not a design most shooters can pick up and learn to shoot accurately and rapidly either in a high target number pest control or combat situation Also very poor design for dust sand dirt of your shooting environment. Will be lots of sand dust jams in that chopper, not the best vehicle to be clearing malfunctions Stick with a light short barrel bolt action. Your are extremely proficient with that bolt. Most reliable action fast3st kills and high accuracy for 5he type of killing you are doing Reloading as you know produces the most reliable feed and accuracy ammo. Switch to a slow burn rate powder that doesn't quit produce compressed powder loads and has good grouping accuracy. If you're shooting 7.62 NATO?, load to 2500 fps max with thin jack bullets of 125 gr or less in hollow points Will produce less chamber and barrel heating with loss of accuracy barrel warp. And quick kills lots of bleeding lung shots Enjoyed you Run n Gun on the one humpers. Quality shooting. Lots of clean kills. Your old rough looking bolt worked well in that tough environment Most homicides with a modern firearm are NOT committed by a severely mentally ill person Vast majority are by out of control emotions angry full of rage pissed off want to kill to get even otherwise normal people. Most often a male involving his spouse partner, work acquaintance, supervisor or other in authority. Reaso why so few murders that use firearms are found criminally insane or mentally diminished in intent Your firea4ms control laws down under serve to keep firearms out of the use of the extreme mentally ill and the mass murders they commit too often The in public mass hunting them down like animals and bullet butcher them with high cyclic rate firearms is totally out of control here in the USA. The butchers with guns range from rage filled 6 yr Olds in schools to old geezers that got pissed off in church and dumped a few rounds into His Fellow Believers.
As I am "Old School Lee Enfield Bolt action Firearms, less working parts to fail" we can only use bolt action rifles for target and deer stalking. At one time I owned an SLR, alas we are only allowed a straight pull single shot version. I only use a fraction of the amount you use Jack. During my deer stalking days 4 or 5 rounds would be the amount I would use in one day, but on the range from 50 perhaps 100 on some occasions. On our local towns rangers most only allow us to use reduced full bore loads, these are easy on recoil, but as you are using factory loads you must suffer from the recoil on your camel culls.
I must say, after reading comments here, that we havent had any extraction issues with PPU 308 ammo, the 150gn softpoints. This is in an SR25 type rifle used for culling (different rules here for Qld graziers who prove "need"), and two Rem 7600 308's. The pump guns are perfect for walk-up shooting, not best for trying bipod, rest or shooting stick stuff. Id suggest that Wedgetail thing has either a tight chamber (not a smart idea for a pump rifle and its intended purpose), or a crappy-cut one. Which I'd doubt. The PPU does have a big muzzle flash from the 16" barrels though, more than other brands of cull price ammo. Id say, try it for yourselves before taking as gospel any internet posts, including mine.
If it’s the standard lr308 bolt type. May I suggest the 308 reliabolt from sharps rifle company. The tapered lugs will push that dust right out of the way.
Maybe you could get a foreword mounted "scout scope" or red dot for the Enfield, then get stripper clips to load it with , instead of switching the magazines out ? Best of luck , mate!
I must say, its a nice change of place to have a "not an american" talk about a firearm. Just a nice and peaceful atmosphere. Respect for the firearm in a way. I dont want to shit on the us by saying this tho. There are probably tones of folks like this, but I rarely hear from them.
We can reload but cannot get anything to reload with. Primers are virtually impossible and powder is very difficult which is stupid seeing it is made here in Australia.Most of our powder eported to the states and we are not getting any imports such as primers and projectiles in . Even loaded ammo is very scarce.
A 308 chamber at the lower side of specs will have problem with 7,62 nato, take it to a gunsmithe and put it at the upper end of specs, aka ream it up.
Interesting to see another pump action rifle. I've had a play with the Troy ones over here in Europe, and whilst I'm sure their mothers love them, I'm not a big fan. I know why they exist here (due to licensing etc) but I'd prefer a bolt action or straight pull. Have you considered using a 6.5 Creedmoor for the Camels? with the amount of rounds you are putting through those rifles it may be a bit more forgiving and give you a better longevity before having to swap out the barrel?
Hey Jack, nice vid. Pity about the PPU. Could you try the PPU again after the rifle has shot a few hundred rounds, and see if that makes any difference? Cheers mate.
Dont know if reloading is an option with the amount of ammo you go thru , if it is you can use a powder that is temperature insensitive , and load it at a modest charge to keep pressure down. That and using a small base sizing die would help reliability. Cheers
Hi Jack Like the video will be interesting to see how the rifles goes over time . Just on a side note what do you think of the Mitsubishi utes had any problems compared to other utes you have owned .
If you wanted to improve the trigger with an aftermarket unit, are you legally required to have someone else do the work? It looks like a standard DI AR lower so there are probably a lot of drop-in options available. And if you throw an angled fore grip on, I bet it would extract a little better. Either that, or polish any chamber burrs with a dremmel to right-size the tolerances for PPU if you’re sitting on a size able stockpile of ammo. Cheers from Texas, learning about firearm culture in other countries always fascinates me!
Not really an option here unfortunately unless it's made domestically, customs class any component of a semi-auto as a gun part which you can't get a permit for so aftermarked triggers are out for the vast majority of shooters.
Shouldn’t the optic be mounted above the ejection port and the rear irons behind the optic? Not sure what type of optic you’re using so that could be the reason
Do you think it's inconsistency with the PPU diameter causing the misfeeds or just slightly oversize for what it wants? Would be interesting to check the good and bad with a mic to see the difference and whether it is a consistent issue or not. Seems like wedgetail already knew about it, good that they have tested widely enough to know that.
@@bignez ah that makes more sense too. NATO vs standard measurements like running 5.56 through a 223, it might work sometimes in some guns, but it could cause headaches in others...
My apologies if you've already addressed this in another video or in another comment, but is there a particular reason why you don't use a sling for your rifles, even while hunting/culling? I ask because I feel like you're taking a big risk of dropping your rifle in the dirt, risking particulates entering the action, or possibly blocking the barrel if you were to drop it barrel down. Also, I would personally prefer, if I were hunting/culling as you do, and if I needed to load magazines while on the move, for my arms to be completely free of the task of holding the rifle.
Additionally, I think if you were to add some kind of ammo satchel/pouch on the stock of your rifle, the balance would be more weighted to the rear, which will reduce fatigue even further as you are 'running and gunning'. It might make the rifle heavier overall, yes, but with the sling and the balance taking away strain from your support hand/arm, I think it would make for a less strenuous experience.
See our friend and farmer's chief support officer Little Johnny Howard on the TV yesterday preaching about how there is no legitimate need or user in Australia of the Wedgetail MPR 308 pump action rifle. Maybe he should engage his tiny little brain before he before he opens is tiny little mouth and sprouts such massive nonsense. Not a quote but he said something along the lines of there is nobody in Australia who could possibly support the ownership or use these weapons as being legitimate after what happened at Port Arthur. Now, and on a different topic, I do not deny Port Arthur happened, but it would be nice if they found the real perpetrator and put him/her/them in gaol and not the poor patsy they gaoled for the crime. Find your self a copy of the booklet 'Deadly Deception at Port Arthur' by Joe Vialls and have a read - it can be found on the Internet in PDF. It is mind blowing. And, yes, I know there are people who want to declare the book as a complete fabrication and a conspiracy, but far too many coincidences are documented in it to be ignored.
Excellent video mate, I'm glad to see the WA Government came through and let you acquire one of these beauties. What do you think it was about the PPU ammo it didn't like, was it the brass? I am just curious as I load my own ammo but I do use either PPU or ADI brass. Anyway, keep the video's coming cause I can't wait to see "Rhonda" say goodbye to some ferals. 👍🐪
It's not just the PPU that is problematic, heard also SAKO ammo was an issue and a few others with the MPR308. Makes sense, no primary extraction and high pressure. Same issue with the Oceania Precision, SCSA and Warwick. 308WIN not a good round for no primary extraction, bad move. 223Rem with the lower pressure and less case surface area is less prone to problems, not immune. You want least problems, reload your own on the lower end on the powder charge and don't anneal your cases. Just because this rifle is more expensive ammo gets blamed. I got two SCSA Taipans, looking at getting a third. And they got fucking roasted when difficult to extract, gun got blamed not ammo. Fancy that aye. Hahaha
You are not the only ones having problems with PPU 7.62(may be closer to 7.62 NATO in size) in an AR10 based platform, It seems that the chambers are just slightly tight so the cases stick when hot as 7.62 NATO neck dia is .0017 wider than .308 .
That is just UA-cam groupie Parrot mouth talking nonsense.
I've been loading ammo and wildcat cartridges since 1976 and a custom rifle builder for 25 years.
I even build specialized AR 10s in odd cartridges and all of the WSM magnums.
It might help to identify High pressure loads by looking at the fired case primers.
Seems like all rifles there are total junk .
Is It seemingly by platform?? I Just shot round about 400 rounds through my M1A all PPU all just fine.
@@wigger88 I am an advanced reloader going back to 1976 so all my ammo is reloaded by me.
I use PPU brass & bullets and the bullets I shot to target o just blasting bullets or shooting varmints.
I buy from Graf & Sons online sales all the PPU products.
I am considering shooting the PPU 375 - 300 grain round noise FMJ for Alaskan Yukon Moose from my AR 10 I've done in 375-300 WSM.
If I were to have a from behind shot to angle a bullet from back of ribs to frontal area the PPU 300 grain round noise FMJ should do well when they leave the AR 10s 25.5 inch Pac Nor super match barrel muzzle at 2550 FPS.
The other PPU bullets that do well from my AR 10 I've done in 6.5-284 Norma are the PPU 156 grain semi pointed soft points that mimic flight path of the Norma 156 grain Oryx and Vulcan bullets.
I can save the High-cost Norma bullets and shoot the low cost PPU bullets to get load testing and distance test to set the scopes target knobs to work with a range finder and put load data in a book for very same 156 grain weight bullets.
I do have a feeling if shooting the 6.5 PPU 156 grain bullets at deer or Elk they would be find because these are extremely long bullets and the 6.5-284 is a dead match for the 270-win shooting the same close bullet weights as in 6.5 mm bullets.
I’ve seen other calibres have trouble with that ppu shit. 223. 308 and 3030 all in different brand guns. Edit marlin, Winchester, CZ, and tikka rifles.
@@robertaus8420 Instead up just talking foul mouth wanting sound like an uneducated tough guy try explaining actual problems PPU ammunition has caused.
I am sure readers want to hear about actual problems PPU ammunition has caused.
Anyone can make up nonsense talk here.
I don't buy any loaded ammunition when I reload for all my firearms, but what I can say the PPU brass - bullets I use bought through Graf & Sons works extremely well and very good prices.
I especially like the PPU 311" 150 grain boat tail soft points to load for 7.62x39 that shoot very will from by AR 15 - 7.62x39.
make an excellent deer load using 25 grains of CFE -Black powder.
I have over 1000 PPU 7.62x39 brass for reloading - very good brass !
I use PPU 6.5 mm 139 grain FMJ and 156 grain semi round nose bullets for my 6.5-284 Norma in the AR 10 - they both work great!
Australia makes California look like a bastion of freedom. Cheers for making due with what you have. Like your videos 👍
The only advantage California has on us is they can get a semi auto rifle easier, we win at everything else compared to them.
Also, we can have new Russian and Chinese guns & ammo, shorter rifles than the US and stocks on pistols with no SBR paperwork.
I don’t think Australia has drug needles and people taking a shit in their streets.
Making do not due
@@snotgobblerificYou new what eye meant, but still chose to be an asshat, says a lot about your character.
@@briansmith2616 the fact you chose asshat as an insult and don't care about learning from your mistakes says alot about your character also.
Called it, your camel vid made me curious and led to me Googling an ar10 pump rifle. The things you learn when your learning about someone else's life. Thanks Jack
Oh man... we were making fun of this gun here in the states and couldn't figure out why anyone would design and then this thing. Now I know. Stupid laws in other countries
Oh man wait till the Fuds try it here.
We both know it’s coming.
@@irritatingtruth9121 Literally introduced a gas-operated, Semi-auto ban just today 😶
At least you have a chance to own a gun (this is denied to people In lots of countries) better a naff gun than no gun all !
@@JW23551 Which country?
@@mattholley3642 Sorry, "states" from the original post. USA.
Congratulations on the new rifle! I hope it works out well despite the WA Martian dust.
Mate
I DO like you and Your Dads weapon safety and handling discipline
Hope Ronda keep the feral numbers down.
Love your work
💕 that UA-cam sent me here the other week. Love the walkthrough that you're providing ppl, and I wish more channels were like THIS. 💕💕💕💕
Not sure how he got by honestly. Breakdowns usually mean restricted on YT.
I love learning about gun lawsn in other countries and this guy describes them so well. People may think that rhonda is a weird or maybe even "stupid" design because of the laws, but in a sort of curious way, i am very intrigued about a pump action .308. Can't wait to see it in action.
Intrigued, eh? Hunters in the northeast have been using them for over 100 years. The Remington Model 14, 760, 7600 are all tried and true guns that have put game on the meat pole.
@@krm944 I have heard of pump action rifles before, but I have never used one or have I ever seen one. Especially not in a AR platform. I think it is kinda cool in a way that is hard to describe.
@@alexthorn8050 I think Troy industries built one targeting export to People’s Republic of Canada when the government became tyrannical.
Remington made the 7615- it doesn’t have all the scary features that trigger gun grabbers emotions.
The reliability preview of this Wedgetail is horrible.
@@krm944 Can confirm, Troy made the PAR (Pump Action AR) primarily targeted to the Canadian market. I know it was chambered in .223 obviously, but not sure if they had offerings in other calibres.
@@krm944 The best of the bunch is the Browing BPR.
Thoroughly enjoyed that Jack. Cheers from NZL, David
Just collected my MPR today cant wait to go to the range !
My range has to be able to see down the barrel of the rifle after the bolt is removed so I can’t get one because AR platforms are so difficult to assemble and disassemble in the situation I am in.😢
Sorry trigger has nothing to do with seeing down the barrel I'm not sure what you mean @@imightbehum4n414
As another has said, an issue with cycling (beyond break in period) could be the vertical foregrip. The angle which it’s held puts diagonal pressure on the pump action and puts pressure on the pump’s guide rod.
Try using an angled or handstop style grip. Also I recommend over lubing the gun.
Old machine gunner’s trick is to have a small squeeze bottle of ATF fluid in a pocket for when your gun is heating up. It keeps you in action during the fight and you clean up later.
You don’t want to use any lube on the moving parts of an AR ., dry lube works great. It’s probably just excess lube from shipping, or the PPU ammo
@markhanna3990 I would like to strongly disagree with that. ARs/ M4s love to be ran wet. If it's too wet (never see it with an AR) than the excess will just be blown off. Do a quick Google search and you will confirm that
@@658websteryes, you are right. We use an AR10 style (PWS) 308 for culling here in Qld and that's exactly what they need. I'm amazed at the old wives takes out there.
The action is completely enclosed when locked up, so dust ingress isn't an issue sticking to the lube. The firearms can be covered in dust out here, but the internals are clean. AR's are very well refined in that respect. However, our firearms are piston driven, and stay clean around the bolt area between cleaning. Additionally we use LVPO scopes 1-8x that accept screw-on flip up dust caps, wouldn't be without them on working firearms.
@@markhanna3990 which is exactly the reason why the us military uses a spoon to pour lubricant directly into the bcg
One of the many uses of ATF. I mean the magical red fluid in your automatic transmission. Not ATF that will shootbyour dog and try and take your guns in the USA.
First let me say a few things. One my Dad and I love the vids. Second my Dad love the Nutrien hat, he’s just retired from the Plant in North Carolina. Third I’ve never really understood the Gun situation in Australia. It’s amazing what I’ve been taking for granted. Anyway love the videos keep up the work.
Excellent production, Gentleman.
I had a VIC trigger installed made the trigger pull go from 6lbs standard to 2lb worth considering
Can’t wait to see that thing in use. Beautiful rifle
I suggest a angle fore grip instead of that one. The angle one allows you to have your thumb over the side rail as well as the lower rail giving you better stability while firing and will probably not kick you off target as much with that vertical grip since they're not used much anymore for this reason
I suggest that grip but change how you hold it.
Thumb over over C grip is for Chris Costa posing
Let him decide for himself. Also, I don't see many foregrips on pump actions.
A C clamp is great for semi auto rifles for firing fast. If it's a pump gun I barely see the point because the fastest way of running that style gun is to pump the action as soon as possible after taking the shot. So, if he were to take your advice, he would be waiting for the recoil to settle back on target, then take his thumb off the handguard to cycle the action. That will, again, throw your view off target. It doesn't make for quick follow up shots. Also, a C-clamp is more strenuous to utilize for long periods of time, but especially in the case where you're trying to alternate between a C clamp and pumping the foregrip. Don't forget the he also cannot use the vertical foregrip to pull the rifle back into his shoulder.
PPU is a favored brand for reloading as the brass tends to run thicker. That combined with a hotter round could cause the casings to stick a bit. Could remove the BCG, take a bit of cleaning rod with a bronze brush soaked in CLP, chuck that into a drill and do a little polishing of the chamber. A .45ACP bore brush would work but they also sell 7.62 chamber brushes.
Great to see Aussie content, subbed.
Sucks when your $4000 rifle cant run any type of ammo.... not only does it cost an arm and a leg for the rifle set up (rifle, mags, sight etc), it costs you the other arm and leg cuz it has expensive taste for ammo! haha
Hopefully it will "break in" a bit, some of those tight tolerances will loosen slightly and you can run whatever type of ammo you can get!
Just stumbled across your content in my suggestions recently. From a fellow member of the commonwealth (Canada), I can empathize with your struggles on silly firearms restrictions. Keep on rocking in the outback Jack!
That's a crap setup dude,sorry you've let your country totally Fuck you over on your gun laws . they're trying there hardest to do the same thing here.
GODDAMN THEM ALL TO THE DEPTHS OF HELL FOR THEIR CORRUPTION!!!!
Awesome how you emphasise keeping the barrel pointed in a safe position even without a magazine and on safety
Don't know all the laws in Australia, but consider buying one of the PMAG AR10 mag couplers to connect two of those 10rnd mags together for faster reloads!
The chamber probably has some micro burrs from the milling process. After break in(1-2 hundred rounds maybe)it should get less picky about extraction over time and you’ll be able to run that PPU more reliably.
A light sanding might help too
Don't even have to use ammo for that, just use some very high grit sandpaper or use a polishing compound in there with a dremel and buffing wheel and you'll be good to go.
It is so hard to fathom how such of a big deal this for you all. I'm happy to see you can have this tool at your beck and call....but crazy to think all the restrictions you have to deal with!
Good content interesting what you have to go thro to purchase a firearm I never realized what a problem camels were in western Australia greetings from Wisconsin
Nice shooting! If you find that the point of impact drifts in the direction of the last sight correction, try lightly tapping the turret with something to settle the adjuster screw after every correction. I imagine you probably know that, but thought I would throw it out there in case you didn't. Also, for lube, I have used a lightweight synthetic engine oil on tight guns because it doesn't have the detergents that some gun lubes have that keep breaking down carbon and creating a slurry. It looks like you do your research before putting out a video on a firearm and use proper firearms safety at all times,which I greatly appreciate. Good for people to have a proper role model. You and "Mark and Sam after work" are my two favorite aussies to watch for shooting sports.
to take those receiver pins out in the feild, i use a casing.. its easy and its right there
May I suggest Polishing the Feed Ramp and the Chamber.
Especially on that pump, I'd polish every wear surface as possible.
Good Luck
First off I enjoy your videos a great deal . It’s sad to see what you have to go through to protect your property. So every one in other countries!!! This is what happens when you give up your rights . Don’t let this happen to you . I admire your tenacity sir . Thank you and keep up the good work .
Been watching ur videos now a bit. Think I'll subscribe. It's sad ur limited to a pump, but at least u can have that. And the fact that it is minute of camel should be satisfying. Thanks 4 the videos and keep up the important job u are doing. 👍
Sick rifle! Congrats!!!
I’d say with this amount of mags a belt system or compact chest rig would help a lot with the reloads
Got a small chest rig on the way, one suggested by one of our viewers
@@jack_out_the_back Nice. Which one? id probably get a dump pouch with it so you dont have to either reindex the magazines or do a retention reload
@@I.G_NL An airsoft copy of the Haley Stategic D3CRM MICRO.
@@jack_out_the_back nice! That’s a really good rig
Have you considered polishing the chamber? could have some corrosion from shipping or a rough machine mark making the chamber sticky. happened to My AR 10 when it was new. some fine polish compound on a .45 caliber mop for the case body, and then a .30 cal for the neck and throat and spind. did wonders. also carbon buildup down the road can make it stick
It will really love Hornady 165g GMX rounds. Very accurate.
I. Have A speed line 30,06 it been no trouble but I do love your review good work 👍👍
I was wondering if you’ve ever tried using a lever action for culling. Is it not as good of an option due to having to individually reload each round into the tube mag? I was thinking that the lever mechanism might be quicker than a bolt and was interested to hear your thoughts on it
You'd be surprised at how fast you can load a tube mag. Within the US competition circuits, there are speed loaders for lever action rifles in competitions such a cowboy action shooting and the like. They're used to quite great effect in reducing the time it takes to get off a reload.
Jack I have a mate that has the semi 308 and he has also had a lot of issues with ammunition type, also had quite a few issues with the gun it self.
Also got to love the old fellas and their crocs🤣 my old fella wears his to work😂.
I also had ejection issues with the PPU .308 ammo with my pump remongton 7600
Grats man! I hope it serves you well.
Awesome Video. Perfect ASMR.
ha mate i'm running WINCHERSTER -TACTICAL ROUNDS -NEVER HAD A STOPPAGE 👍👍🇦🇺
If you get a stuck case in an ar platform gun you have to mortar it to get it unstuck. Slam the stock into the ground and the bcg will unstick.
honestly get a angled grip if that, you shouldnt riding the grip forward as the buffer spring will push it back forward into battery. A lot of guys use a modified C-clamp style for shooting pump action spring assisted platforms like this where they will C-clamp it on the pull back, and let go of the pump and let the spring carry it forward, and essentially 'hover' your hand just off the pump as it flies forward and meet it when it goes back into battery. Pretty sure Aussie reviews uses the technique in his video, but it helps with cycling, the gun does get sticky but it shouldnt be sticking with less than a mag through it based on the reviews ive seen.
The buffer spring won't send it all the way home, we tested it a number of times, it's inconsistent. I have an angled forgrip here to throw on and can try that out, as i had it for my other pump action 308.. Gotta run it very wet, which is suitable for something with a good dust cover.
I can tell you were in the Army by the way you went through the manual... Then the final function test removed all doubt.
With the hat and moustache all I can think of is Super Troopers and the bullet proof cup😅
I’ve never seen a firearm just like the speed line, definitely a cool rifle nonetheless 😎
It might be a wacky action but its still a damn good looking rifle
Nice review.
Well it sucks that they make you use a pump but at least its something. What I really dont like is that they are charging you $3,500 for a gun that I can but in the US for $1000 at most. The only AR10s that cost $3,500 are going to be the top of the top of the line brands.
If you have mag feeding issues (which you should not because 308 is not picky) try the metal mags from companies like LaRaue if you can get them. I have rifles that will not feed from the pmags but run prefect with the high dollar metal mags. Downside is they are $100 a mag.
Also be sure to keep that BCG lubed up. ARs like to run with plenty of lube. You dont need to soak it in it till its dripping but a rag with lube on it to wipe it all down before use works very well. With the amount of dust you have that gets on everything that will be helpful
I assume that is Australian dollars and not US dollars. But, for the same money you could have a very nice rifle, with a very nice trigger, with a Cerakote finish, scoped, with a bipod ready to go for the same money. I don't know about spending that much for the metal mags. Magpul mags should be pretty reliable. Not sure what is available in Australia, but Hexmags are decent and inexpensive in the US. Lancer makes some really good polymer magazines with steel feed lips also. They are typically around double the cost of a Magpul mag in the US.
Upgrades are sweet! Aim small miss small!
Try lubing with silicon spray . It doesn't collect dust as bad as oil . Or better still dry lube like graphite powder
Geta 300 black out man or a 450 bushmaster ar platform great guns for this type of stuff
I think the 450 would be a great cartridge to try out, especially for chasing work.
@@jack_out_the_back it is it a long short mideum rang heavy hitter gun the use on moose an bison here in the usa but it got a huge kick to it
@@oklahomapanther3985 I need to come to the USA..
@@jack_out_the_backI thought they banned it with the most recent ‘high cal’ bans. Not 100% sure though.
Can you guys reload your own shells in au? I’ve had bad experiences with ppu ammo. You’d be amazed on how much it will improve accuracy and dependability.
Shells being shotgun ammo...yes, and also cartridges.
We just cant have semis anymore thanks to martin bryant 😤
Yeah reloading is not an issue. just a supply issue for us.
Yeah it’s just hard getting primers at the moment but I also haven’t checked my locals for any for a month or so either
Yes, we can reload our ammunition. It is much better for getting the perfect load for your rifle. Primers are a bit hard to get at the moment due to a shortage in the USA which provides most of them for us.
Such a difficult to operate design, rotary threa bolt head with straight pull vertical grip. Not a design most shooters can pick up and learn to shoot accurately and rapidly either in a high target number pest control or combat situation
Also very poor design for dust sand dirt of your shooting environment.
Will be lots of sand dust jams in that chopper, not the best vehicle to be clearing malfunctions
Stick with a light short barrel bolt action. Your are extremely proficient with that bolt. Most reliable action fast3st kills and high accuracy for 5he type of killing you are doing
Reloading as you know produces the most reliable feed and accuracy ammo.
Switch to a slow burn rate powder that doesn't quit produce compressed powder loads and has good grouping accuracy.
If you're shooting 7.62 NATO?, load to 2500 fps max with thin jack bullets of 125 gr or less in hollow points
Will produce less chamber and barrel heating with loss of accuracy barrel warp. And quick kills lots of bleeding lung shots
Enjoyed you Run n Gun on the one humpers. Quality shooting. Lots of clean kills. Your old rough looking bolt worked well in that tough environment
Most homicides with a modern firearm are NOT committed by a severely mentally ill person
Vast majority are by out of control emotions angry full of rage pissed off want to kill to get even otherwise normal people.
Most often a male involving his spouse partner, work acquaintance, supervisor or other in authority.
Reaso why so few murders that use firearms are found criminally insane or mentally diminished in intent
Your firea4ms control laws down under serve to keep firearms out of the use of the extreme mentally ill and the mass murders they commit too often
The in public mass hunting them down like animals and bullet butcher them with high cyclic rate firearms is totally out of control here in the USA. The butchers with guns range from rage filled 6 yr Olds in schools to old geezers that got pissed off in church and dumped a few rounds into His Fellow Believers.
As I am "Old School Lee Enfield Bolt action Firearms, less working parts to fail" we can only use bolt action rifles for target and deer stalking. At one time I owned an SLR, alas we are only allowed a straight pull single shot version. I only use a fraction of the amount you use Jack. During my deer stalking days 4 or 5 rounds would be the amount I would use in one day, but on the range from 50 perhaps 100 on some occasions. On our local towns rangers most only allow us to use reduced full bore loads, these are easy on recoil, but as you are using factory loads you must suffer from the recoil on your camel culls.
Looking forward to seeing it in action against the feral camels.
No such thing ad feral camels,they're just camels...
If there is no danger,no feral😮
@@neonjoe6180 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_feral_camel
Great video!👍🏽😀❤️🇺🇸
I must say, after reading comments here, that we havent had any extraction issues with PPU 308 ammo, the 150gn softpoints. This is in an SR25 type rifle used for culling (different rules here for Qld graziers who prove "need"), and two Rem 7600 308's. The pump guns are perfect for walk-up shooting, not best for trying bipod, rest or shooting stick stuff. Id suggest that Wedgetail thing has either a tight chamber (not a smart idea for a pump rifle and its intended purpose), or a crappy-cut one. Which I'd doubt. The PPU does have a big muzzle flash from the 16" barrels though, more than other brands of cull price ammo. Id say, try it for yourselves before taking as gospel any internet posts, including mine.
Love a good pump action
Great review Jack , just need to trade in the PPU ammo and you’ll be right 😜🤣👍👍
Those 5 shot mags when you’re use to the 10 really highlight a flinch ay!😬🤣 sorry.. couldn’t help myself..
If it’s the standard lr308 bolt type. May I suggest the 308 reliabolt from sharps rifle company. The tapered lugs will push that dust right out of the way.
Thanks for the clip. Curious to know what was that other rifle you were using.
Maybe you could get a foreword mounted "scout scope" or red dot for the Enfield, then get stripper clips to load it with , instead of switching the magazines out ? Best of luck , mate!
I must say, its a nice change of place to have a "not an american" talk about a firearm. Just a nice and peaceful atmosphere. Respect for the firearm in a way.
I dont want to shit on the us by saying this tho. There are probably tones of folks like this, but I rarely hear from them.
I’ve read some dumb shit but that’s up there.
when i had ppu 30-30 it jammed every shot without fail !
Are you guys allowed to use a chest rig to carry mags in Australia? Is that “too scary?” Legally
I own one, but it can be awkward if a coppa comes asking.
We can reload but cannot get anything to reload with. Primers are virtually impossible and powder is very difficult which is stupid seeing it is made here in Australia.Most of our powder eported to the states and we are not getting any imports such as primers and projectiles in . Even loaded ammo is very scarce.
is this your replacement rifle for the AIA?
Same thing happened to my taipan x except it was a live round that was jammed
A 308 chamber at the lower side of specs will have problem with 7,62 nato, take it to a gunsmithe and put it at the upper end of specs, aka ream it up.
Interesting to see another pump action rifle. I've had a play with the Troy ones over here in Europe, and whilst I'm sure their mothers love them, I'm not a big fan. I know why they exist here (due to licensing etc) but I'd prefer a bolt action or straight pull. Have you considered using a 6.5 Creedmoor for the Camels? with the amount of rounds you are putting through those rifles it may be a bit more forgiving and give you a better longevity before having to swap out the barrel?
308 has 3x the barrel life of the 6.5cm
Would love to get one of these but sadly they've been banned under appearance laws in my state 😒🙄😕
Nsw?
@@bruce6099 They're banned in NSW, ACT and Tasmania now 🙄🤯😐
Hey Jack, nice vid. Pity about the PPU. Could you try the PPU again after the rifle has shot a few hundred rounds, and see if that makes any difference? Cheers mate.
Will do!
Hey mate, how many rounds through the MPR308 now? Did you give the PPU another try? Cheers.
Good luck with your new defender against ferals.
Do they have any fun manufacturing in Australia
Dont know if reloading is an option with the amount of ammo you go thru , if it is you can use a powder that is temperature insensitive , and load it at a modest charge to keep pressure down. That and using a small base sizing die would help reliability. Cheers
Hi Jack
Like the video will be interesting to see how the rifles goes over time . Just on a side note what do you think of the Mitsubishi utes had any problems compared to other utes you have owned .
If you wanted to improve the trigger with an aftermarket unit, are you legally required to have someone else do the work? It looks like a standard DI AR lower so there are probably a lot of drop-in options available. And if you throw an angled fore grip on, I bet it would extract a little better. Either that, or polish any chamber burrs with a dremmel to right-size the tolerances for PPU if you’re sitting on a size able stockpile of ammo. Cheers from Texas, learning about firearm culture in other countries always fascinates me!
Not really an option here unfortunately unless it's made domestically, customs class any component of a semi-auto as a gun part which you can't get a permit for so aftermarked triggers are out for the vast majority of shooters.
I wonder if that PPU ammo isnt meant for military,possibly higher pressure?
Shouldn’t the optic be mounted above the ejection port and the rear irons behind the optic? Not sure what type of optic you’re using so that could be the reason
Looks like a prism scope which are known for having pretty short eye boxes.
are there magazine size restrictions in Austrailia or did you just choose smaller mags
Other states do have restrictions, bit Western Australia doesn't for this category.
I would have suggested a straight pull rifle instead personally.
Would it be worth it to you having a single leg stand to help you steady your posture ?. I just going on dingo hunters in NSW videos .
Do you think it's inconsistency with the PPU diameter causing the misfeeds or just slightly oversize for what it wants? Would be interesting to check the good and bad with a mic to see the difference and whether it is a consistent issue or not. Seems like wedgetail already knew about it, good that they have tested widely enough to know that.
The case thickness on the PPU appears to be thicker than the ADI ammo, so we suspect that is the root cause.
@@jack_out_the_back yeah that would do it
Ahh right ppu is 7.62 compared to adi which is 308, makes sense as 7.62 are 0.312"
@@bignez ah that makes more sense too. NATO vs standard measurements like running 5.56 through a 223, it might work sometimes in some guns, but it could cause headaches in others...
Curious can yall have lever action rifles? Like a ruger 1895 guide gun or winchester model 94.
Yep we can, and they're very popular here. I actually own a Model 94 myself (44/40, I know, bit old school), and a Henry 45/70.
Cool, I've several model 94 44/40 ,30/30, .44mag. And couple ruger in 45/70 and .450 marlin.
Keep doing the good deed. I hope one day Australia realizes you guys need your rights back.
Thanks
Not the first time I’ve seen problems with PPU brass.
Have you tried using Norma ammo? It's cheaper for what it is but I've never had problems with their ammo
Do you guys have all the ammo manufacturers that we do in the states like, Hornady, Remington, federal, Winchester, Norma etc?
We have the same ammo, it is imported, however we do have local manufacturing.
My apologies if you've already addressed this in another video or in another comment, but is there a particular reason why you don't use a sling for your rifles, even while hunting/culling?
I ask because I feel like you're taking a big risk of dropping your rifle in the dirt, risking particulates entering the action, or possibly blocking the barrel if you were to drop it barrel down.
Also, I would personally prefer, if I were hunting/culling as you do, and if I needed to load magazines while on the move, for my arms to be completely free of the task of holding the rifle.
Additionally, I think if you were to add some kind of ammo satchel/pouch on the stock of your rifle, the balance would be more weighted to the rear, which will reduce fatigue even further as you are 'running and gunning'. It might make the rifle heavier overall, yes, but with the sling and the balance taking away strain from your support hand/arm, I think it would make for a less strenuous experience.
Cheers from the U.S.
See our friend and farmer's chief support officer Little Johnny Howard on the TV yesterday preaching about how there is no legitimate need or user in Australia of the Wedgetail MPR 308 pump action rifle.
Maybe he should engage his tiny little brain before he before he opens is tiny little mouth and sprouts such massive nonsense. Not a quote but he said something along the lines of there is nobody in Australia who could possibly support the ownership or use these weapons as being legitimate after what happened at Port Arthur.
Now, and on a different topic, I do not deny Port Arthur happened, but it would be nice if they found the real perpetrator and put him/her/them in gaol and not the poor patsy they gaoled for the crime.
Find your self a copy of the booklet 'Deadly Deception at Port Arthur' by Joe Vialls and have a read - it can be found on the Internet in PDF. It is mind blowing. And, yes, I know there are people who want to declare the book as a complete fabrication and a conspiracy, but far too many coincidences are documented in it to be ignored.
Edge of the outback , youtube chanel Nathan says the ppe rounds not good .
ppu rounds
Excellent video mate, I'm glad to see the WA Government came through and let you acquire one of these beauties. What do you think it was about the PPU ammo it didn't like, was it the brass? I am just curious as I load my own ammo but I do use either PPU or ADI brass. Anyway, keep the video's coming cause I can't wait to see "Rhonda" say goodbye to some ferals. 👍🐪
It’s a cat B firearm legal Australia wide bar commie nsw
I ordered 2 AR 15 uppers and lowers pistol and rifle during BF sales, I was thinking about you when I was assembling them.
PRICE!!!!!
It's not just the PPU that is problematic, heard also SAKO ammo was an issue and a few others with the MPR308. Makes sense, no primary extraction and high pressure. Same issue with the Oceania Precision, SCSA and Warwick.
308WIN not a good round for no primary extraction, bad move. 223Rem with the lower pressure and less case surface area is less prone to problems, not immune.
You want least problems, reload your own on the lower end on the powder charge and don't anneal your cases.
Just because this rifle is more expensive ammo gets blamed. I got two SCSA Taipans, looking at getting a third. And they got fucking roasted when difficult to extract, gun got blamed not ammo. Fancy that aye. Hahaha
What you can do to make it a real ar 10 is strap a gas block and tube on it and do some modifications to it
nice bro. hope one day you can have a regular AR
I found PPU ammo really good in early Howa rifles ,way to tight in Sako ,Tikka and recent Howa /weatherby kakadu just not worth it ....nice rifle
My 30-06 hates ppu as well. It misfires and jams.
Nice rifle, you shaving that moustache of, you look
Like my farther in laws twin lol😂
🇦🇺😎👍Not the PPU 😳