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As someone who has been to Japan, FIND SOMEONE WHO CAN TRANSLATE FOR YOU... You think you know how bad its going to be but take it from me, YOU DONT KNOW... Crowdsource a translator since in my experiance they do not speak even the limited English you'd kinda expect...
Gamersnexus always separates different topics in the askgn titles with commas, It just happened to be the two most interesting topics in the video in chronological order.
I just wanted to comment on the IC Graphite pads. I purchased one to try out with one of my testing systems. The temps are as good as high end thermal paste and they are consistent. I can take the same pad and re-apply it and the temperatures will be exactly the same. (temps measured using HWInfo64) This is great for me because I am testing allot of different computer parts. Now I no longer have to keep purchasing more thermal paste and the results are always consistent.
Wyatt Newton agreed. I've put them into 3 laptops - 2 gaming and 1 2009 MacBook. The performance is generally as good as a premium paste and way more consistent.
Tony Morris It's good to be cautiously optimistic. I get that he wants to test for himself. But yeah, if graphite pads have worked this well in the past, they would have been adopted more. I really think they should be put in all laptops by the manufacturer. Traditional thermal paste, especially the crap these companies use, don't work well in laptops.
Jeff O my personal experience with the new ones disagrees with you. I've got an 1800x that didn't change temps at all from gelid to ic diamond. Since I don't have to clean anything to use the ic I'm happy with it.
yeah, i've put the 40x40 into two amd rigs. one an overclocked 8350, and the other a stock 1800x.. both machines run 1c warmer than they did with thermal paste.. for 1c difference.. i'll take not screwing with goup
Not only test the IC graphite pad, get some Panasonic pads too. Cheaper, way bigger pads that you can cut up, the lot. I have one in my laptop currently, replacing Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut. Pad thickness is 0.07mm with a 1000 W-mK up-down heat transfer rate. Temperatures are identical but with one big advantage being I never have to open the heatsink again in my life. Gonna put a piece of pad on my reference Vega 56 soon, then try it on my Ryzen 5 1600 (big difference since this has an IHS whereas the laptop dies and the Vega die are exposed directly to the heatsink).
Well, thanks for that reference a lot! I'm gonna go and buy some of the stuff from Digikey. Link if anyone wants it: www.digikey.ca/product-detail/en/panasonic-electronic-components/EYG-S091207DP/P15478-ND/3088411
I sent Steve an e-mail today to return back to this stuff - especially Panasonic. I included link to Panasonic Industrial page with all info and data sheets about this product. It's very interesting product and need to be tested.
Im thinking of trying the regular pgs with the elastomer coating to adhese to the smooth copper of a heatsink then use regular tim on the cpu since the graphite will spread the heat over the contacting surface of the heatsink past where the cpu ihs contacts, hopefully making the heatink better, not replace the tim
@@TheRezin819 Can you explain more or make a video on it? Sounds really interesting. Are you telling you're going with TIM on the IHS/ die and graphite pad on the copper heatsink and then mountiing the cooler on pasted IHS?
That's why I'm very much looking forward for an in depth review of graphite thermal pads. Cause you're right, there are plenty of even thinner variants graphite sheets available for a lot less on say aliexpress. Would be interesting how they compare if they work at all. Also because those come in all shapes and sizes so bigger chips could work as well.
Heya GN, this is the only channel besides OC3D that I actually fully trust on reviews. Just wanted to say thanks and keep on being awesome and honest. My question is why aren't phase change cases more popular or widely used in your opinion? The very few options (LDCooling) are competitive price wise when compared to a full custom loop, case etc.
Yakku different views are good, they used different configurations and OC3D showed that their test bench for cases isn't perfect and while the case is kinda shitty imo as long as you build around it, if can work if you want it to aesthetic wise.
Factory tours are always nice to see. I'm in a factory 6-7 days a week running a 4 or 5 axis CNC machines. Mostly machining control arms for the automotive industry. It's always cool to see other industries and what kind of processes they use and what kind of equipment they use.
i bought an IC graphite pad for my 8600k it keeps it the same temp as MX-4 on 5ghz 1.3000v i couldnt be happier about it either i hate dealing with thermal paste if you want pics or more details give me some way to contact you twitter,discord something like that i will show pics of everything
#AskGN Would it be possible for you guys to make a video on console emulation running on different pieces of PC hardware? It would be nice to see how the latest CPUs and GPUs compare on both modern (RPCS3, Citra, CEMU...) and older (Dolphin, PCSX2...) emulators, as some of them (mostly the modern ones) are more CPU hungry than others, and it's a topic that I've never seen covered by any PC hardware channel before. Thanks for reading this!
Oh boy that's a hell of a rabbit-holey topic, mainly because each console is different so the emulators (really "solutions to a compatibility problem") are all very different. Dolphin's team does an amazing job at keeping people in the loop of the leaps they make on the emulator. Here's one article that absolutely blew me away: dolphin-emu.org/blog/2017/07/30/ubershaders/
There are legal issues testing emulators, especially considering how aggressive Sony/Nintendo/Microsoft can be with their IP. IIRC the only valid consoles that Steve could test without fear are Sega consoles, because Sega does not really endorse these properties anymore and many 3rd parties have access to them [For instance, Sega's website has literally NO mention of Master System / Mega Drive / Saturn / Dreamcast]. Unfortunately, Sega consoles are a lot less relevant in the media. As soon as that video is posted, you get a riot in the comments about "WHY DIDN'T YOU TEST [INSET NINTENDO/SONY/MICROSOFT CONSOLE HERE]?!" There's also the problem of: How do you test them...? Ultimately, you want to test them for accuracy and performance, so you ideally need both an original console, original retail copies of the games tested, a way to record and measure their performance irregularities, and compare that to what the PC software puts out... which has different issues regarding how its measured and tested. If you think that is way too much and you just want to ask "Can I play it?" the answer is almost universally "Maybe"
smokeydops Every single game console emulator is legal if you provide your own BIOSes (if there's need to) and game files and there're legal precedents of this. Go check the Bleem and Sony case.
Steve would overclocking be easy in space? If the pcb was outside the ship where space is - 273 celcius. Or would lack of air prevent conduction of themal energy away from the core?
The lack of air, as you mention, would make it extremely difficult. Sure, space is cold, but once power starts going into the processor it would heat up with nowhere to go. A several-square-meter radiator array would be needed to dissipate the heat via blackbody radiation.
Zie000 heat generates a certain amount of energy so ambient electricity produced by the certain amount of heat I’m guessing allows the silicone to work that or sensors turn it of due to potential damage from overly cold conditions. Since if a pcb is to cold condensation forms over the pcb or electronics like caps are frozen solid or inductors since they are technically moving products with the copper wire vibrating inside...
I think that if the graphite pads aren't awful, then they may actually be pretty useful for thermal testing. Theoretically, you could use them to reduce variance. Maybe a fun thing you could throw into the review is how they compare to silk screening for test-to-test variance.
How about make a thermal paste/pad testing rig. 2 copper blocks, both having a thermocouple in it. one has a resistor/heating cartridge and the other one will be connected to a big thermal mass to sink heat into. the temperature difference between block 1 and 2 while heating up represents your thermal conductivity of the paste / pad inbetween baseline (best case) would be a block thats as big as those 2 blocks stacked with the same setup, direct metal contact.
Finally, GN in Tokyo. I personally recommend just going to Akihabara and picking a random PC parts shop, since most of the ones i know have either closed down or moved to other cities.
#AskGN Could we ever see socketed GPU boards that would allow for upgrade of the Graphics processor, assuming the heatsink and RAM are still viable? I feel like a really high end GPU board would be perfectly useful for future processing cores given that they are becoming more efficient over time and RAM usage in games does not increase very quickly over time. In theory you could use the same GPU board for 2-3 generations before needing to upgrade.
Doesn't sound like a very profitable market for GPU vendor partners... Why would they sell you a GPU mainboard every 2-3 generations when thyey can sell you one with each GPU? Ecologically seems very logical but economically for the manufacturers not so much
but this would allow for GPU makers to sell more product even if at a reduced cost. Plus this would discourage mass miners as they would need to buy boards and chips. over all i would love to see this kind of thing as it would allow for more customized builds and a more competitive market.
@Daniel Ladishew they tried that and the mxm form factor is officially dead in the water! They don't care although the market may want it. its just is too costly for them to provide support.
MXM is not even the same as what i'm suggesting. MXM is a full GPU with a different connector and less opportunity for optimal cooling. It was the SOC of GPUs for laptops, which is the real reason it died. Thanks for playing the game tho!
At that point you are sourcing so many parts that would need compatibility, you enter into a situation where you are building another computer inside your computer. This would definitely be too costly and remove any profits from GPU manufacturers. I'm thinking that if you leave the complex part of VRM and RAM as a static, then only swap out the Graphics core, you remove most of the variables. I would guess you could only upgrade within a GPU architecture, but I think it's possible. nVidia and ATI probably make most of their profits from the main chips anyway, considering they are willing to allow so many AIBs to control the vast majority of supply.
Currently running the IC Graphite thermal pad and I've been super happy so far. The biggest positive to me is the lack of mess created by application. Lol. +1 for IC graphite testing
21:40 I just got my FTW3 Hybrid yesterday and the radiator doesnt have any of those protection, I added a fan for push pull config so I spent a good 5 minutes making test with screws to make sure I dont poke the rad on the additional fan. The rad and the pump could be better quality but still do the job great.
Not a question but GamersNexus is the greatest tech related channel on youtube and should have way more views. Gonna buy a modmat when i do my next build. Keep it up!
Linus tested the graphite pads,but that was just a rough test. cpu temps for the pads were just 1 to 2 ° hotter then IC's diamond thermal dont know how that paste performs compare to other
I think the difficulty of thermal testing is one of the reasons to be excited for these thermal pads - in theory, it should reduce any variance in thermal performance caused by thermal paste applications, right? Sounds like it would be a cool product for the kind of work you guys are doing.
Jack Le Probably just so the editor found the question again. It's not like Steve was going about his life and decided to search for "dump question" in his video by random chance..
I have wondered for several months if using a top quality graphene monolayer between the die and waterblock using one of Der8auer direct die kits would help or hinder thermal performance. It adds an extra layer but should in theory spread that heat to the block far more evenly. Certainly not cheap.
Jaymiecain1, how can you be so sure, from the Die it is a concentrated one point of heat. The monolayer would be able to take that heat and spread it far more evenly to the entire area of the water block almost instantly. You are talking about one Atom of Carbon and 25microns of copper extra at most along with possibly some extra liquid metal. It could even allow for water blocks with micro fins across a far larger area.
Yes you have some losses but I looked it up and it's rated to 3a max per cable. So like nothing. Power losses as heat in a resistor (wire) goes up exponentially I'm pretty sure so if you half your current then you quarter your heat output. The spec is so under rated at the moment that even full load there is probably only 1w or something of heat being made (or power wasted depending on how you look at it)
Properly sized cables, no. The longer you go, the more voltage drop (and losses) unless offset by thicker wire. With a long, thin cable or low quality connectors you can get quite a lot of losses, I'd say up to 10-20%.
After going to an open loop on a Threadripper, I looked into changing sockets and adding a GPU. Watercool Heatkiller AM3 to AM4 to 1150 series to 2011 to 2066 is about 10 euro. A TR block is stand alone and needs a new CPU block. If you start with enough RAD and Pump adding VRM or a water block for a GPU is cheap. Like a good P/S or case an open loop is a multi upgrade product for numerous builds. If one part of your AIO fails, it's junk.
Go to Akihabara for sure! Was in Tokyo back in 2014 during the 900 series launch and for an Australian like me who does not have access to actual computer stores close by, seeing all the hardware brought a tear to my eye haha
Steve, I lived in Japan for three years while I was stationed there, and have been to Akihabara many times. Some of the more interesting things about the place is of course the volume of vendors there, but also the unique way they sell products. There are some unusual tech accessories, and also many Japanese specific laptops and models from brands like Panasonic. If you have been to China it is not much different, from what I can tell. The thing with Japan is that they really like specifics and details and will go to lengths to make sure the nth degree of some specification is detailed or explained. When I was there (2006-2009) it was not uncommon for people to do all their internet browsing on their phone, as the method of organizing addresses is vastly different from the way it is done in the West. Because people back then had very good internet access even on mobile devices, (I think in 2007 I got FTTH for around $50/mo) there were very few people who had PCs at home, or accessed the internet from a PC. It might be interesting to check out the difference in pricing plans for internet services vs the USA. Regardless, there are several interesting places to visit, some stores will have a fan section where you can press a button and see how each fan performs live in front of you, there are also scrap stores, model stores where you can buy large statues of manga characters as well as cars. I really liked the surplus stores which had all sorts of refurb things that made it very easy to find whatever repair component. One thing of note, prices are usually slightly higher there for tech than in the USA, the only thing cheaper is car parts and food. One of my more memorable moments there was when I was walking through Akihabara and two city workers while pruning a bush found a extremely venomous habu habu snake and very carefully picked it up with one of their tools and dropped it down to one of the canals below, they both very slowly and deliberately leaned over the edge to check if the snake was gone. Some helpful tips: 1) Get Cash from the Post Office ATMs as those were the only ones that worked with Western cards and you will need cash and coin for many things 2) Get a GPS map, as in Japan you don't have an address like we have in the West even Japanese people sometimes cant find places without one 3) Use JR Rail or other Public Transit to get anywhere 4) Definitely try different food, it's all good, and the beer too (you can get it in a corner store), try Coco Ichiban curry house or a street vendor serving Yakisoba or find a shabu shabu all you can drink/eat place 5) If you have time visit the Edo open air Cultural Architectural Museum where they have entire buildings transplanted and filled with period accurate pieces the way they would have looked in their time, also the bars and clubs in Shibuya are much better than Roppongi if you want to interact with local people more than just see a bunch of drunk Americans and foreigners.
Is there a good alternative to liquid metal for deliding for long term?? Most people recommend replacing LM every 9 months. Im too lazy, is there a high quality TIM??
Ggchb Gig ghb there's no replacement for liquid metal. The IC graphite pads are really good for convenience and laptops, but you won't get performance even close to liquid metal. It's more comparable to the performance of a premium, non-conductive thermal paste.
And most people talk out of their rear end ... *sigh If you apply LM correctly and use the right one, there are no problems. Yes there are/were LM "pastes" that had problems with long term use, but for example that stuff Steve uses here and promotes from Thermal Grizzly is known for being without issues when it comes to long term use. Btw, LM was never intended for LN2 and as far as I know also isn't suited in combination with a chiller. Though with the later I'm not certain.
You won't see a huge boost in performance when replacing the stock paste with new high quality paste. If the CPU is old(so the tim would be old as well) you might get a 2°C or 3°C difference, but if its a new cpu the difference is probably negligable.
jort93z you'll see a significant boost in performance by replacing stock paste from a laptop CPU and GPU. Every time I open a laptop using the stock compound, I see it pooling on the sides of the die. It just doesn't work well in laptops because of the lack of thermal dissipation. So, yes you will always see an improvement by removing stock paste on a laptop, pretty much regardless on how old it is. As for desktop PCs, I don't know of anyone who use the stock paste/cooler, other than the compound between the die and the heat spreader. Most people don't delid their CPUs.
@gamer nexus - why are we seeing drastic advancements in CPU core's and threads but not so much in clocks anymore?? As a gamer wouldn't i benefit more from a 4c/8t 6ghz CPU over a 8c/16t 3.5ghz?...currently running a 5.2ghz 7700k and can't fathom why i would upgrade the way CPU's are headed...
With the GOD, Intel moving to more cores we will see MS DX and apps start to use more cores. A 4core 6GHz is rare and an 8 core 4GHz is common. Watching test apps that will use every single core will show you the future. Intel's decade long tick-tock 4 core lock down is dead.
IC Graphite Pads, for anyone curious. I currently use a 30x30 pad w a Dark Rock 4 cooling an R7 2700x @ 1.325. Under cpuz stress test I max out at 77.25c. Case is dark base 700, one exhaust fan, one intake fan. Dark Rock 4 is extremely quiet, I'd say its efficiency is hampered by its fan. Quiet being the compromise. Fan is ran at full speed and still very quiet. Do I recommend the pad ? Yes. It took me a few practice runs of placing the heatsink onto the pad however as the pad slides around. All that being said I'm happy.
For adding grounding points to mats I've always used clinch style studs myself. These have 4 metal prongs on the bottom that you push through the mat then bend over to secure them in place.
Hey, try the graphite thermal pads. Comparison would be nice. IC graphite vs IC diamond. IC graphite vs a lot of other pastes would be best for reference sake.
hey there, trying this again: Question: will getting the 2700(x) specific bios increase my memory compatibility for our 1600/1700/1800(x) on x370 boards? or is the bios-update-support for the Ryzen 1 cpus already dead?
I have 2 IC graphite thermal pads in two different machines and from what I can tell they work about as well as thermal paste or at most 3 degrees worse if applied less than 100% correctly with the huge added bonuses of not being messy and being reusable. So far so good on my end with them. Curious to see your results.
steve, i'm in the process of ordering components to upgrade my system to a ryzen build. i've realized thhough that multiple of the b350 boards i have been watching are suddenly unavailable and it says that the product isn't out yet and can only be preordered. i've been suspecting that they're waiting for deliveries of a new revision, maybe even with a new bios? would be amazing if you soon could buy a b350 board and drop in a ryzen 2 without having to get a cheap ryzen 3 first and send that back. what do you think?
Why not have a CPU shaped heating coil? Get rid of the software and hardware differences between motherboards, processors, and user settings. You can control the power supplied to the 'cpu' and fan speed. Even if you can't translate the cpu shape (cross section, depth, concavity) and cpu material (thermal conductivity) to a real product, you can fix those variables across all heatsinks.
Water Pump question. Is there a pump with an option to control thru the OS? Or warns about low water or the pump has failed? Besides the water temp, what controls and settings we could have access to in the windows program. just asking.
What happened to the promise of IC Graphite being tested? I know it's not necessarily something that everyone should use, but I'm interested from the point of view who has to test multiple processors/coolers etc and thermal pad could give same results on each use and is reusable.
I'd love to see your impressions on those fancy vending machines they have their I always hear about. Or just how tech is generally different for them. I would love to see you go into something like a Japanese Best Buy/Microcenter
Hey there ASK GN. I'm interested in how you go about filming, editing and uploading on the road. Could you do a brief rundown on hardware & methods used for filming at computex?
In the NUC overclocking stream you mentioned the thermal limitation of the waterblock you used because it had macro fins and not micro fins. Can you explain more or even do a comparison test the roles the fins play in achieving maximum thermal dispersion? Thanks
Not sure what you guys are planning to do in Tokyo, but as far as something related to technology there are the Sony and Toshiba museums, a Panasonic showroom, and the national museum of emerging science and innovation (Miraikan). Aside from those things you may have to ask around while in Tokyo for some other options closer to what you are looking for. Have a safe trip and have fun!
Sadly, still no update on the IC Graphite thermal pads on the channel :(... hope you guys will manage to check this soon, this could be a game changer esp for ppl like me that generally don t like to mess with thermal paste (let alone metal liquid which I find totally insane when it comes to the risk/reward ratio)
Fairly new to your channel. Steve, you use logical testing, data and common sense to form opinions which you share in a straight forward non-fanboy manner. You are aware you're speaking to the PC gamer community, right?
Now that you have your shelves loaded up with tools and gadgets, could you do a more power parody of a Tool Time intro / episode? Please and thank you.
I switched to a high quality graphite pad from a high quality thermal paste about a year ago. It's been fantastic, no real difference in temps and not having to clean and reapply paste is wonderful. I swap CPUs a lot and also delid mine to install customer copper IHS blocks, so YMMV. Highly recommend graphite pads. They're more expensive, but if you handle them carefully with tweezers, they're reusable and shall last a long time.
Several of the Asetek manufactured coolers come with way too long screws. I dunno if they intend for them to be mounted to really thick sheet metal but most cases have very thin walls unless you have one of those aluminium cases where they need thicker sheeting to get structural rigidity. At least they can supply enough washers if that is the case. With just one washer you can't even fully tighten the screw before it hits that protection wall to protect the radiator tubes/fins. And yes that is after going through the supplied fans as well.
Question: Steve, my MSI x299 SLI Plus says in the BIOS changelog "Thunderbolt 3 support added", I cannot test it due to lack of hw. Can you really are TB3 using a BIOS update? Maybe ask MSI in tw what's that about?
Hey Steve, greeting from another longhair! I've been in Tokyo very often over last 20+ years. I think you're going to love it. I don't go to Akihabara very often any more (it's not what it used to be), but if you go you should definitely visit Kanda Myojin. It's a Shinto shrine very close to Akiba where the priests will bless your electronics to grant protection to them. They also sell charms called jōhō anzen kigan 情報安全祈願 that is supposed to prevent viruses and freezes. If you like to eat, Japan is amazing. Sushi and ramen can be very reasonable. Those conveyor belt sushi places, called kaitenzushi, are interesting but the quality is not as good as a regular sushi shop. You should try both. Japanese beef is just the best. You should try shabu shabu, where you swish paper thin slices in hot broth to cook it. There are some places where they serve all you can eat, but again, the quality is a little less than a regular shabu shabu restaurant. If you drink, try to find a Japanese Izakaya. They usually have some interesting small dishes to eat while you're drinking. The beer gardens should also be open while you're there. The food there is usually more Western, like sausages, pizza, and french fries.
I want to buy an H500M and I want to liquid cool the CPU with a 200mm AIO. Do you know if Cooler Master is going to launch one? And if not, is it worth to put a 280mm radiator on the top with the glass or on the front with the 200mm fans still in the case? Something like Mesh-200mm fans-Radiator-140mm radiator fans
I am curious as to how often should I take apart my liquid cooled gpu and replace thermal paste or pads? I am using an MSI factory watercooled 1070 and I just didn't know if I should replace the thermal paste and/or pads or not. Also, I am going to buy the modmat as soon as I am able to, but I would definitely like to have the additional snap on the other side. Great video by the way.
Very interested in your opinions on the different fans available on the 212 as I use a few of them in different systems. I cant find any information on the quality of the different models, is there a specific one that you suggest avoiding/replacing?
Also, on the subject of the 212, it gets absolutely spanked by the Nfortec Vela MX which is 10 euros cheaper & does a better job of cooling the VRMs. You should try and get hold of one for any future budget air cooler feature you do.
For boone591 or anyone else looking for 10mm snap fasteners--you can get a basic set of about 2-12 for about $3 from Michaels, Etsy, and some hardware stores. Bulk quantities are usually online at Amazon, eBay, etc.
I've read from a notebook forum that if you do a sandwich of LM on die - IC Graphite pad - LM on heatsink, it is very effective and performs better than just the pad itself
I'd like to use my monitor over a longer distance from my pc...what's the longest possible displayport cable to use, WITHOUT signal loss, given that I'd like to game on full HD - Freesync - 144Hz??/ Thank you!
Might sound silly but what about the option of not installing the snap but rather including it in shipping ? So that way (maybe with clear instructions) users can manually punch a hole and insert their snap to whichever side they feel. Or perhaps pre-punch 2 holes at the factory and users just choose whichever hole they want to install the snap into.
Would love to see your opinions, as well on the pad. On the downdraft cooler statement, moving air, even warm air, is better than not getting any air at all
in terms of generating more airflow over the VRM's (maybe ram as well but seems far away) is flipping the fear exhaust fan worth it (in say a liquid cooled system with a top exhaust). having a H440 filled up with fans (3 restrictive intake's, H440 frontpanel + 240 thick/medium rad with pump/res attached, 3 mildly restrictive exhausts pushing air through a 360 rad) decided to put a dust filter on and flip the rear exhaust to be a additional intake, get some fresher air over the vrm area at the very least wile hopefully reducing dust buildup through positive pressure. and looking at it it might help out my GPU a little as well (solid metal EK backplate that does contact the rear of the core and VRM w thermalpads) flowing some fresh air over the backplate.
#AskGN Is it possible to install a PCIe mini capture card on a laptop (motherboard) instead of a Wifi card for use with stream capture? For context, I upgraded a Probook 4540s from an i5-3210M to i7-3632QM (dual to quadcore, the motherboard uses a socket, not solder) and was wondering whether I can squeeze more life for when I upgrade to an actual PC, seeing that prices are getting normal now. It's mostly a question of whether I can save some performance on the PC so I can get either better framerate/graphics or focus more on buying a GPU than a CPU.
You'd have to find a way to address the PCIe lanes, thunderbolt 3 can do it, butt otherwise you will need to find a schematic and get crazy with soldering and wiring to address the PCIe lanes outside of the system.
I wasn't talking about a PCIe card, but a PCIe mini card, like the Avermedia DarkCrystal C353. There's a local seller here who sells those for relatively cheap so I was wondering whether they'd work with a laptop (Windows or Linux).
Ooooh!!! Akihabara! I have a few recommendations in terms of Tokyo tech stuff. Tokyo has a bunch of VR theme parks/exhibits in arcades, which could be cool. In Akihabara, there’s a bargain market for basic parts (cables, lights, security cameras...), and if you walk down the right side of the road on Akihabara (anime direction), you’ll find a computer component shop with Kryonaut a little less expensive than Amazon/Newegg (not inc. tax) and GPUs in stock. Big Camera (store name) has tech stuff all over. Completely unrelated to videos, YOU NEED TO GO TO AN ONSEN (if you can possibly fit that into your schedule)!!!
Bit of background - I first got into overclocking and enthusiast builds in the late 90s, and pretty much didn't keep track of things from about '01 until 2016 or so. So, I have two then vs now questions. First, what happened to Peltier coolers for CPU? They were one of the "next big thing" exotic coolers at that time, and they seem to have basically vanished. Second, what happened to solid copper coolers? Those were another "big thing" of the era, with Zalman being a bigger player. I have guesses and assumptions on both answers, but I'd rather just get the skinny as you see it.
Peltier coolers basically went away due to how inefficient they where, they have to create as much heat as they cool because of thermodynamics and how they function, bypassing any effect the lower temperatures would achieve by heating the interior of the case to stupid levels. When All in one liquid coolers for CPUs came onto the market, it killed all interest in Peltier devices, they do the same job, just for cheaper and without all the downsides. Solid copper towers just did not do all that much in the first place other then be fancy, aluminum fin stacks where with in single percentage points of heat displacement over time when fed by the heat pipes when compared to soild copper, and people did not like spending hundreds on a air cooler, so they just kinda vanished, only thing i can think of now that has soild copper fins are the Kingpin 1080 and 1080TI cards, and those are just stupid.
My Zalman Z1 Neo seems pretty alright... If you replace the stock "fans" that it ships with, the well ventilated front of the case seems to promote good airflow.
AskGN hi, my rx 480 overheats when i put my side pannel on, its not the v core and according to hw info not vrm either. i think its the vram. Should I put heat sinks on the vram or underclock the memory? if the model matters its the asus dual rx480 8gb. I would really appreciate advise
Is it gonna be worth it the new Threadripper 2? If it is the same 2700 together doesn’t seem like a beast of upgrade, but a worth it one? What do you think?
The Zalamn Z1 seems to have the same chassis as the Antec GX500B. Except Antec had mounts for 2x fans in the top (via a rather tall plastic shroud), 1x on the side and an extra fan in the front, meaning that the airflow in Antec's version is quite good (especially with the drive cage removed).
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Cm stuff?
As someone who has been to Japan, FIND SOMEONE WHO CAN TRANSLATE FOR YOU... You think you know how bad its going to be but take it from me, YOU DONT KNOW... Crowdsource a translator since in my experiance they do not speak even the limited English you'd kinda expect...
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Please change the sponsor clip with the thermal grizzly paste, the amount of paste on the APU is extremely disturbing.
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*oh lord*
PROPAGANDA
Thermal grizzly made a thermal pad and he was ecstatic about it. Not so much about this one for no real reason
@@ronniebell8397 "no real reason" lol yeah i know why
@@ronniebell8397 ikr GN is a sellout!
That title is really misleading. I thought the IC Graphite thermal pads are the worst products you have reviewed.
Yup, hope they explain this BS title in the next video.
Gamersnexus always separates different topics in the askgn titles with commas, It just happened to be the two most interesting topics in the video in chronological order.
Not misleading, you're just reading it wrong.
learn how to read
How else do you read it? TheGuruStud, the worst person on the internet.
I just wanted to comment on the IC Graphite pads. I purchased one to try out with one of my testing systems.
The temps are as good as high end thermal paste and they are consistent. I can take the same pad and re-apply it and the temperatures will be exactly the same. (temps measured using HWInfo64)
This is great for me because I am testing allot of different computer parts. Now I no longer have to keep purchasing more thermal paste and the results are always consistent.
Wyatt Newton agreed. I've put them into 3 laptops - 2 gaming and 1 2009 MacBook. The performance is generally as good as a premium paste and way more consistent.
Yea, it sounds like hes dismissing it like it's a thermal pad that GPU memory uses or something.
Tony Morris It's good to be cautiously optimistic. I get that he wants to test for himself. But yeah, if graphite pads have worked this well in the past, they would have been adopted more. I really think they should be put in all laptops by the manufacturer. Traditional thermal paste, especially the crap these companies use, don't work well in laptops.
Jeff O my personal experience with the new ones disagrees with you. I've got an 1800x that didn't change temps at all from gelid to ic diamond. Since I don't have to clean anything to use the ic I'm happy with it.
yeah, i've put the 40x40 into two amd rigs. one an overclocked 8350, and the other a stock 1800x.. both machines run 1c warmer than they did with thermal paste.. for 1c difference.. i'll take not screwing with goup
Have a great time at Computex! Can't wait to see your coverage of all things new in the computer world!
Terrible bait mate.
i r8 this b8 0/8 try again m8
I'm wondering how tall Steve is. If he is a tall guy then seeing him walking around Japan with his mane will be quite spectacular.
Not only test the IC graphite pad, get some Panasonic pads too. Cheaper, way bigger pads that you can cut up, the lot. I have one in my laptop currently, replacing Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut. Pad thickness is 0.07mm with a 1000 W-mK up-down heat transfer rate. Temperatures are identical but with one big advantage being I never have to open the heatsink again in my life. Gonna put a piece of pad on my reference Vega 56 soon, then try it on my Ryzen 5 1600 (big difference since this has an IHS whereas the laptop dies and the Vega die are exposed directly to the heatsink).
Well, thanks for that reference a lot! I'm gonna go and buy some of the stuff from Digikey.
Link if anyone wants it:
www.digikey.ca/product-detail/en/panasonic-electronic-components/EYG-S091207DP/P15478-ND/3088411
I sent Steve an e-mail today to return back to this stuff - especially Panasonic. I included link to Panasonic Industrial page with all info and data sheets about this product. It's very interesting product and need to be tested.
BTW, look for soft PGS, and not regular PGS.
Im thinking of trying the regular pgs with the elastomer coating to adhese to the smooth copper of a heatsink then use regular tim on the cpu since the graphite will spread the heat over the contacting surface of the heatsink past where the cpu ihs contacts, hopefully making the heatink better, not replace the tim
@@TheRezin819 Can you explain more or make a video on it? Sounds really interesting. Are you telling you're going with TIM on the IHS/ die and graphite pad on the copper heatsink and then mountiing the cooler on pasted IHS?
That's why I'm very much looking forward for an in depth review of graphite thermal pads. Cause you're right, there are plenty of even thinner variants graphite sheets available for a lot less on say aliexpress. Would be interesting how they compare if they work at all. Also because those come in all shapes and sizes so bigger chips could work as well.
+1
add my vote for adding second snap on the modmat
thank you, and great content! Keep it up.
When you try IC Graphite Thermal pad can you review it on a delided CPU as well?
That wouldn't be smart, It's electrically conductive
@@JoeyJoJoJr0 so is liquid metal
Heya GN, this is the only channel besides OC3D that I actually fully trust on reviews. Just wanted to say thanks and keep on being awesome and honest.
My question is why aren't phase change cases more popular or widely used in your opinion? The very few options (LDCooling) are competitive price wise when compared to a full custom loop, case etc.
What did you do when when GN and OC3D had very different viewpoints on the H500P? (just trolling =D)
Yakku different views are good, they used different configurations and OC3D showed that their test bench for cases isn't perfect and while the case is kinda shitty imo as long as you build around it, if can work if you want it to aesthetic wise.
Factory tours are always nice to see. I'm in a factory 6-7 days a week running a 4 or 5 axis CNC machines. Mostly machining control arms for the automotive industry. It's always cool to see other industries and what kind of processes they use and what kind of equipment they use.
Can't wait to see your coverage on the IC Graphite thermal pads!
So what was the verdict of them by this bloke?
I could watch that water block segment all day. That process of cutting is really soothing for some reason.
i bought an IC graphite pad for my 8600k it keeps it the same temp as MX-4 on 5ghz 1.3000v i couldnt be happier about it either i hate dealing with thermal paste if you want pics or more details give me some way to contact you twitter,discord something like that i will show pics of everything
Hey bro show me 86t_steve
Hey man this is very late but you mind showing me Jelloisbawsom on teitter
#AskGN
Would it be possible for you guys to make a video on console emulation running on different pieces of PC hardware? It would be nice to see how the latest CPUs and GPUs compare on both modern (RPCS3, Citra, CEMU...) and older (Dolphin, PCSX2...) emulators, as some of them (mostly the modern ones) are more CPU hungry than others, and it's a topic that I've never seen covered by any PC hardware channel before. Thanks for reading this!
Oh boy that's a hell of a rabbit-holey topic, mainly because each console is different so the emulators (really "solutions to a compatibility problem") are all very different.
Dolphin's team does an amazing job at keeping people in the loop of the leaps they make on the emulator. Here's one article that absolutely blew me away: dolphin-emu.org/blog/2017/07/30/ubershaders/
there's some legality issues there possibly but oz does emulation tests
@RaulDJ747 , oh boy!!... That is very Broad and I don't know if he's going to be able to do that in his limited time.
There are legal issues testing emulators, especially considering how aggressive Sony/Nintendo/Microsoft can be with their IP.
IIRC the only valid consoles that Steve could test without fear are Sega consoles, because Sega does not really endorse these properties anymore and many 3rd parties have access to them [For instance, Sega's website has literally NO mention of Master System / Mega Drive / Saturn / Dreamcast].
Unfortunately, Sega consoles are a lot less relevant in the media. As soon as that video is posted, you get a riot in the comments about "WHY DIDN'T YOU TEST [INSET NINTENDO/SONY/MICROSOFT CONSOLE HERE]?!"
There's also the problem of: How do you test them...?
Ultimately, you want to test them for accuracy and performance, so you ideally need both an original console, original retail copies of the games tested, a way to record and measure their performance irregularities, and compare that to what the PC software puts out... which has different issues regarding how its measured and tested.
If you think that is way too much and you just want to ask "Can I play it?" the answer is almost universally "Maybe"
smokeydops Every single game console emulator is legal if you provide your own BIOSes (if there's need to) and game files and there're legal precedents of this. Go check the Bleem and Sony case.
Steve would overclocking be easy in space? If the pcb was outside the ship where space is - 273 celcius. Or would lack of air prevent conduction of themal energy away from the core?
The lack of air, as you mention, would make it extremely difficult. Sure, space is cold, but once power starts going into the processor it would heat up with nowhere to go. A several-square-meter radiator array would be needed to dissipate the heat via blackbody radiation.
Ha! You'd hit cold bugs before anything else. Being too cold will stop things from booting, even on earth.
Gamers Nexus so we need a dual vega 64 pcb that or a 590 😂😂😂.
Is it understood why Cold bugs occur/why being so cold stops whichever components from working?
Zie000 heat generates a certain amount of energy so ambient electricity produced by the certain amount of heat I’m guessing allows the silicone to work that or sensors turn it of due to potential damage from overly cold conditions. Since if a pcb is to cold condensation forms over the pcb or electronics like caps are frozen solid or inductors since they are technically moving products with the copper wire vibrating inside...
Doesn't thermal grizzly have a nano carbon thermal pad now? Revisit?
Ask Bryan from Tech Yes City about Japan advice. Dude used to live there and was the deal hunter extraordinaire.
I think that if the graphite pads aren't awful, then they may actually be pretty useful for thermal testing. Theoretically, you could use them to reduce variance. Maybe a fun thing you could throw into the review is how they compare to silk screening for test-to-test variance.
How about make a thermal paste/pad testing rig.
2 copper blocks, both having a thermocouple in it. one has a resistor/heating cartridge and the other one will be connected to a big thermal mass to sink heat into.
the temperature difference between block 1 and 2 while heating up represents your thermal conductivity of the paste / pad inbetween
baseline (best case) would be a block thats as big as those 2 blocks stacked with the same setup, direct metal contact.
your content is great and frequent! cheers guys keep it up!
Finally, GN in Tokyo. I personally recommend just going to Akihabara and picking a random PC parts shop, since most of the ones i know have either closed down or moved to other cities.
So the actual rewiew of IC Graphite thermal pad ?????? Or you cant make one because you have a sponsor and is not good for business :)
#AskGN Could we ever see socketed GPU boards that would allow for upgrade of the Graphics processor, assuming the heatsink and RAM are still viable? I feel like a really high end GPU board would be perfectly useful for future processing cores given that they are becoming more efficient over time and RAM usage in games does not increase very quickly over time. In theory you could use the same GPU board for 2-3 generations before needing to upgrade.
Doesn't sound like a very profitable market for GPU vendor partners... Why would they sell you a GPU mainboard every 2-3 generations when thyey can sell you one with each GPU? Ecologically seems very logical but economically for the manufacturers not so much
but this would allow for GPU makers to sell more product even if at a reduced cost. Plus this would discourage mass miners as they would need to buy boards and chips. over all i would love to see this kind of thing as it would allow for more customized builds and a more competitive market.
@Daniel Ladishew they tried that and the mxm form factor is officially dead in the water!
They don't care although the market may want it.
its just is too costly for them to provide support.
MXM is not even the same as what i'm suggesting. MXM is a full GPU with a different connector and less opportunity for optimal cooling. It was the SOC of GPUs for laptops, which is the real reason it died. Thanks for playing the game tho!
At that point you are sourcing so many parts that would need compatibility, you enter into a situation where you are building another computer inside your computer. This would definitely be too costly and remove any profits from GPU manufacturers. I'm thinking that if you leave the complex part of VRM and RAM as a static, then only swap out the Graphics core, you remove most of the variables. I would guess you could only upgrade within a GPU architecture, but I think it's possible. nVidia and ATI probably make most of their profits from the main chips anyway, considering they are willing to allow so many AIBs to control the vast majority of supply.
Currently running the IC Graphite thermal pad and I've been super happy so far. The biggest positive to me is the lack of mess created by application. Lol. +1 for IC graphite testing
21:40 I just got my FTW3 Hybrid yesterday and the radiator doesnt have any of those protection, I added a fan for push pull config so I spent a good 5 minutes making test with screws to make sure I dont poke the rad on the additional fan. The rad and the pump could be better quality but still do the job great.
Not a question but GamersNexus is the greatest tech related channel on youtube and should have way more views. Gonna buy a modmat when i do my next build. Keep it up!
Excited on your Computex coverage!
Linus tested the graphite pads,but that was just a rough test.
cpu temps for the pads were just 1 to 2 ° hotter then IC's diamond thermal
dont know how that paste performs compare to other
I think the difficulty of thermal testing is one of the reasons to be excited for these thermal pads - in theory, it should reduce any variance in thermal performance caused by thermal paste applications, right? Sounds like it would be a cool product for the kind of work you guys are doing.
Is there a video about IC graphite yet???
For thermal testing, couldn't you do a no-pc test? A constant power heater and test performance may be interesting?
Yes. That's been discussed on this channel.
Oh nice I'll have to have a look. It could also emulate various different loads for more realistic results...
14:49 Did you Ctrl+F for "Dump Question" specifically?
Jack Le Probably just so the editor found the question again. It's not like Steve was going about his life and decided to search for "dump question" in his video by random chance..
I have wondered for several months if using a top quality graphene monolayer between the die and waterblock using one of Der8auer direct die kits would help or hinder thermal performance. It adds an extra layer but should in theory spread that heat to the block far more evenly. Certainly not cheap.
Hinder. Direct contact is as good as it gets.
Jaymiecain1, how can you be so sure, from the Die it is a concentrated one point of heat. The monolayer would be able to take that heat and spread it far more evenly to the entire area of the water block almost instantly. You are talking about one Atom of Carbon and 25microns of copper extra at most along with possibly some extra liquid metal. It could even allow for water blocks with micro fins across a far larger area.
#AskGN does PSU cable length affect power efficiency when powering a GPU/CPU? Mainly asking for extension cables or custom braided ones.
yes, the longer the cable, the more electrical resistance, the lower the current
Unless you are running them hundreds of feet, no, not really, the short distance those braided cables are is irrelevant in electrical terms.
The (extra) connector probably has more impact than the extra length.
Yes you have some losses but I looked it up and it's rated to 3a max per cable. So like nothing. Power losses as heat in a resistor (wire) goes up exponentially I'm pretty sure so if you half your current then you quarter your heat output. The spec is so under rated at the moment that even full load there is probably only 1w or something of heat being made (or power wasted depending on how you look at it)
Properly sized cables, no. The longer you go, the more voltage drop (and losses) unless offset by thicker wire. With a long, thin cable or low quality connectors you can get quite a lot of losses, I'd say up to 10-20%.
Everyone always talks about replacing water blocks and pumps and such but what is the life expectancy on radiators?
joshua41175 yes. This keeps me up at night since I got an AIO 😂
After going to an open loop on a Threadripper, I looked into changing sockets and adding a GPU. Watercool Heatkiller AM3 to AM4 to 1150 series to 2011 to 2066 is about 10 euro. A TR block is stand alone and needs a new CPU block. If you start with enough RAD and Pump adding VRM or a water block for a GPU is cheap. Like a good P/S or case an open loop is a multi upgrade product for numerous builds. If one part of your AIO fails, it's junk.
GN the scientific reviewer of the tech community. It’s a shame I can’t afford too support you. Keep up the good work and one day I’ll buy something
*I clicked because the graphene thermal pad thingy, i need your review that i can actually trust.*
Will you do any more coverage of Star Citizen? Really enjoy your interviews with Chris Roberts and hope to see more, This is how I found your channel.
Go to Akihabara for sure! Was in Tokyo back in 2014 during the 900 series launch and for an Australian like me who does not have access to actual computer stores close by, seeing all the hardware brought a tear to my eye haha
Editing this comment after contact with support. I got the modmat today and it is awesome. Thanks!
Steve, I lived in Japan for three years while I was stationed there, and have been to Akihabara many times. Some of the more interesting things about the place is of course the volume of vendors there, but also the unique way they sell products. There are some unusual tech accessories, and also many Japanese specific laptops and models from brands like Panasonic. If you have been to China it is not much different, from what I can tell. The thing with Japan is that they really like specifics and details and will go to lengths to make sure the nth degree of some specification is detailed or explained. When I was there (2006-2009) it was not uncommon for people to do all their internet browsing on their phone, as the method of organizing addresses is vastly different from the way it is done in the West. Because people back then had very good internet access even on mobile devices, (I think in 2007 I got FTTH for around $50/mo) there were very few people who had PCs at home, or accessed the internet from a PC. It might be interesting to check out the difference in pricing plans for internet services vs the USA. Regardless, there are several interesting places to visit, some stores will have a fan section where you can press a button and see how each fan performs live in front of you, there are also scrap stores, model stores where you can buy large statues of manga characters as well as cars. I really liked the surplus stores which had all sorts of refurb things that made it very easy to find whatever repair component. One thing of note, prices are usually slightly higher there for tech than in the USA, the only thing cheaper is car parts and food. One of my more memorable moments there was when I was walking through Akihabara and two city workers while pruning a bush found a extremely venomous habu habu snake and very carefully picked it up with one of their tools and dropped it down to one of the canals below, they both very slowly and deliberately leaned over the edge to check if the snake was gone. Some helpful tips: 1) Get Cash from the Post Office ATMs as those were the only ones that worked with Western cards and you will need cash and coin for many things 2) Get a GPS map, as in Japan you don't have an address like we have in the West even Japanese people sometimes cant find places without one 3) Use JR Rail or other Public Transit to get anywhere 4) Definitely try different food, it's all good, and the beer too (you can get it in a corner store), try Coco Ichiban curry house or a street vendor serving Yakisoba or find a shabu shabu all you can drink/eat place 5) If you have time visit the Edo open air Cultural Architectural Museum where they have entire buildings transplanted and filled with period accurate pieces the way they would have looked in their time, also the bars and clubs in Shibuya are much better than Roppongi if you want to interact with local people more than just see a bunch of drunk Americans and foreigners.
Is there a good alternative to liquid metal for deliding for long term?? Most people recommend replacing LM every 9 months. Im too lazy, is there a high quality TIM??
Ggchb Gig ghb there's no replacement for liquid metal. The IC graphite pads are really good for convenience and laptops, but you won't get performance even close to liquid metal. It's more comparable to the performance of a premium, non-conductive thermal paste.
And most people talk out of their rear end ... *sigh
If you apply LM correctly and use the right one, there are no problems. Yes there are/were LM "pastes" that had problems with long term use, but for example that stuff Steve uses here and promotes from Thermal Grizzly is known for being without issues when it comes to long term use.
Btw, LM was never intended for LN2 and as far as I know also isn't suited in combination with a chiller. Though with the later I'm not certain.
Addendum - I 've used a 3570K for years with LM without having to reopen that thing.
You won't see a huge boost in performance when replacing the stock paste with new high quality paste. If the CPU is old(so the tim would be old as well) you might get a 2°C or 3°C difference, but if its a new cpu the difference is probably negligable.
jort93z you'll see a significant boost in performance by replacing stock paste from a laptop CPU and GPU. Every time I open a laptop using the stock compound, I see it pooling on the sides of the die. It just doesn't work well in laptops because of the lack of thermal dissipation. So, yes you will always see an improvement by removing stock paste on a laptop, pretty much regardless on how old it is. As for desktop PCs, I don't know of anyone who use the stock paste/cooler, other than the compound between the die and the heat spreader. Most people don't delid their CPUs.
@gamer nexus - why are we seeing drastic advancements in CPU core's and threads but not so much in clocks anymore?? As a gamer wouldn't i benefit more from a 4c/8t 6ghz CPU over a 8c/16t 3.5ghz?...currently running a 5.2ghz 7700k and can't fathom why i would upgrade the way CPU's are headed...
With the GOD, Intel moving to more cores we will see MS DX and apps start to use more cores. A 4core 6GHz is rare and an 8 core 4GHz is common. Watching test apps that will use every single core will show you the future. Intel's decade long tick-tock 4 core lock down is dead.
*@**17:00** Did he actually mean zalman R1 because zalman Z1 case doesn't look that bad.*
IC Graphite Pads, for anyone curious. I currently use a 30x30 pad w a Dark Rock 4 cooling an R7 2700x @ 1.325. Under cpuz stress test I max out at 77.25c. Case is dark base 700, one exhaust fan, one intake fan. Dark Rock 4 is extremely quiet, I'd say its efficiency is hampered by its fan. Quiet being the compromise. Fan is ran at full speed and still very quiet. Do I recommend the pad ? Yes.
It took me a few practice runs of placing the heatsink onto the pad however as the pad slides around. All that being said I'm happy.
For adding grounding points to mats I've always used clinch style studs myself. These have 4 metal prongs on the bottom that you push through the mat then bend over to secure them in place.
Hey, try the graphite thermal pads. Comparison would be nice. IC graphite vs IC diamond. IC graphite vs a lot of other pastes would be best for reference sake.
@14:10 in regards to fans Steve says “some of them suck more than others” get it?
hey there, trying this again:
Question:
will getting the 2700(x) specific bios increase my memory compatibility for our 1600/1700/1800(x) on x370 boards?
or is the bios-update-support for the Ryzen 1 cpus already dead?
I have 2 IC graphite thermal pads in two different machines and from what I can tell they work about as well as thermal paste or at most 3 degrees worse if applied less than 100% correctly with the huge added bonuses of not being messy and being reusable. So far so good on my end with them. Curious to see your results.
steve, i'm in the process of ordering components to upgrade my system to a ryzen build. i've realized thhough that multiple of the b350 boards i have been watching are suddenly unavailable and it says that the product isn't out yet and can only be preordered. i've been suspecting that they're waiting for deliveries of a new revision, maybe even with a new bios? would be amazing if you soon could buy a b350 board and drop in a ryzen 2 without having to get a cheap ryzen 3 first and send that back.
what do you think?
Why not have a CPU shaped heating coil? Get rid of the software and hardware differences between motherboards, processors, and user settings. You can control the power supplied to the 'cpu' and fan speed. Even if you can't translate the cpu shape (cross section, depth, concavity) and cpu material (thermal conductivity) to a real product, you can fix those variables across all heatsinks.
Water Pump question. Is there a pump with an option to control thru the OS? Or warns about low water or the pump has failed? Besides the water temp, what controls and settings we could have access to in the windows program. just asking.
Can i use this thermal pad for mobile phone application?? Or does his pad requires immense pressure which a mobile phone wouldnt do
What happened to the promise of IC Graphite being tested? I know it's not necessarily something that everyone should use, but I'm interested from the point of view who has to test multiple processors/coolers etc and thermal pad could give same results on each use and is reusable.
I'd love to see your impressions on those fancy vending machines they have their I always hear about. Or just how tech is generally different for them. I would love to see you go into something like a Japanese Best Buy/Microcenter
Hey there ASK GN. I'm interested in how you go about filming, editing and uploading on the road. Could you do a brief rundown on hardware & methods used for filming at computex?
In the NUC overclocking stream you mentioned the thermal limitation of the waterblock you used because it had macro fins and not micro fins. Can you explain more or even do a comparison test the roles the fins play in achieving maximum thermal dispersion? Thanks
18:40, You are a Tech crusader for all of us. Your lack of cape tells me no, but when the breeze catches your mane I say YES!
Not sure what you guys are planning to do in Tokyo, but as far as something related to technology there are the Sony and Toshiba museums, a Panasonic showroom, and the national museum of emerging science and innovation (Miraikan).
Aside from those things you may have to ask around while in Tokyo for some other options closer to what you are looking for. Have a safe trip and have fun!
Sadly, still no update on the IC Graphite thermal pads on the channel :(... hope you guys will manage to check this soon, this could be a game changer esp for ppl like me that generally don t like to mess with thermal paste (let alone metal liquid which I find totally insane when it comes to the risk/reward ratio)
While doing thermal tests on computer cases, can you also include a scale of how long snowflake will stay on the case for warmth?
Fairly new to your channel. Steve, you use logical testing, data and common sense to form opinions which you share in a straight forward non-fanboy manner. You are aware you're speaking to the PC gamer community, right?
Aye he is, Keep watching he tends to call out idiots that speak from their rear ends.
Now that you have your shelves loaded up with tools and gadgets, could you do a more power parody of a Tool Time intro / episode?
Please and thank you.
I second this, that would be hilarious.
I switched to a high quality graphite pad from a high quality thermal paste about a year ago. It's been fantastic, no real difference in temps and not having to clean and reapply paste is wonderful. I swap CPUs a lot and also delid mine to install customer copper IHS blocks, so YMMV. Highly recommend graphite pads. They're more expensive, but if you handle them carefully with tweezers, they're reusable and shall last a long time.
Hey steve, what would happen if someone was to cut a SATA cable on the boot drive while the computer is running?
Several of the Asetek manufactured coolers come with way too long screws. I dunno if they intend for them to be mounted to really thick sheet metal but most cases have very thin walls unless you have one of those aluminium cases where they need thicker sheeting to get structural rigidity. At least they can supply enough washers if that is the case. With just one washer you can't even fully tighten the screw before it hits that protection wall to protect the radiator tubes/fins. And yes that is after going through the supplied fans as well.
Can you cut these pads? I wanna replace the thermal paste in my laptop, but i feel like if i take a scissor to it, the whole thing would just crumble
Question: Steve, my MSI x299 SLI Plus says in the BIOS changelog "Thunderbolt 3 support added", I cannot test it due to lack of hw. Can you really are TB3 using a BIOS update? Maybe ask MSI in tw what's that about?
Are Panasonic EYG graphite pads electrically conductive?
Does modding the mod mat void your warranty?
i'd like to see that article about bad things companies have done in the industry if by any chance you have a link
Hey Steve, greeting from another longhair!
I've been in Tokyo very often over last 20+ years. I think you're going to love it.
I don't go to Akihabara very often any more (it's not what it used to be), but if you go you should definitely visit Kanda Myojin. It's a Shinto shrine very close to Akiba where the priests will bless your electronics to grant protection to them. They also sell charms called jōhō anzen kigan 情報安全祈願 that is supposed to prevent viruses and freezes.
If you like to eat, Japan is amazing. Sushi and ramen can be very reasonable. Those conveyor belt sushi places, called kaitenzushi, are interesting but the quality is not as good as a regular sushi shop. You should try both. Japanese beef is just the best. You should try shabu shabu, where you swish paper thin slices in hot broth to cook it. There are some places where they serve all you can eat, but again, the quality is a little less than a regular shabu shabu restaurant.
If you drink, try to find a Japanese Izakaya. They usually have some interesting small dishes to eat while you're drinking. The beer gardens should also be open while you're there. The food there is usually more Western, like sausages, pizza, and french fries.
I want to buy an H500M and I want to liquid cool the CPU with a 200mm AIO. Do you know if Cooler Master is going to launch one?
And if not, is it worth to put a 280mm radiator on the top with the glass or on the front with the 200mm fans still in the case? Something like Mesh-200mm fans-Radiator-140mm radiator fans
I am curious as to how often should I take apart my liquid cooled gpu and replace thermal paste or pads? I am using an MSI factory watercooled 1070 and I just didn't know if I should replace the thermal paste and/or pads or not. Also, I am going to buy the modmat as soon as I am able to, but I would definitely like to have the additional snap on the other side. Great video by the way.
Regarding the mod mat Mod, turn the mat around 180 degrees, the printing will be upside down, but will still provide the primary functionality
Modding the Mod Mat suggestion!
*Leather Hole Punch*
It'd make a super nice clean hole for the stud to be attached to.
Very interested in your opinions on the different fans available on the 212 as I use a few of them in different systems. I cant find any information on the quality of the different models, is there a specific one that you suggest avoiding/replacing?
Also, on the subject of the 212, it gets absolutely spanked by the Nfortec Vela MX which is 10 euros cheaper & does a better job of cooling the VRMs. You should try and get hold of one for any future budget air cooler feature you do.
For boone591 or anyone else looking for 10mm snap fasteners--you can get a basic set of about 2-12 for about $3 from Michaels, Etsy, and some hardware stores. Bulk quantities are usually online at Amazon, eBay, etc.
I've read from a notebook forum that if you do a sandwich of LM on die - IC Graphite pad - LM on heatsink, it is very effective and performs better than just the pad itself
I'd like to use my monitor over a longer distance from my pc...what's the longest possible displayport cable to use, WITHOUT signal loss, given that I'd like to game on full HD - Freesync - 144Hz??/
Thank you!
Might sound silly but what about the option of not installing the snap but rather including it in shipping ? So that way (maybe with clear instructions) users can manually punch a hole and insert their snap to whichever side they feel. Or perhaps pre-punch 2 holes at the factory and users just choose whichever hole they want to install the snap into.
You mentioned a peltier cooler, was it the Monsoon or the Coolermaster V10?
Would love to see your opinions, as well on the pad.
On the downdraft cooler statement, moving air, even warm air, is better than not getting any air at all
in terms of generating more airflow over the VRM's (maybe ram as well but seems far away) is flipping the fear exhaust fan worth it (in say a liquid cooled system with a top exhaust).
having a H440 filled up with fans (3 restrictive intake's, H440 frontpanel + 240 thick/medium rad with pump/res attached, 3 mildly restrictive exhausts pushing air through a 360 rad) decided to put a dust filter on and flip the rear exhaust to be a additional intake, get some fresher air over the vrm area at the very least wile hopefully reducing dust buildup through positive pressure. and looking at it it might help out my GPU a little as well (solid metal EK backplate that does contact the rear of the core and VRM w thermalpads) flowing some fresh air over the backplate.
#AskGN Is it possible to install a PCIe mini capture card on a laptop (motherboard) instead of a Wifi card for use with stream capture?
For context, I upgraded a Probook 4540s from an i5-3210M to i7-3632QM (dual to quadcore, the motherboard uses a socket, not solder) and was wondering whether I can squeeze more life for when I upgrade to an actual PC, seeing that prices are getting normal now. It's mostly a question of whether I can save some performance on the PC so I can get either better framerate/graphics or focus more on buying a GPU than a CPU.
You'd have to find a way to address the PCIe lanes, thunderbolt 3 can do it, butt otherwise you will need to find a schematic and get crazy with soldering and wiring to address the PCIe lanes outside of the system.
I wasn't talking about a PCIe card, but a PCIe mini card, like the Avermedia DarkCrystal C353. There's a local seller here who sells those for relatively cheap so I was wondering whether they'd work with a laptop (Windows or Linux).
Ooooh!!! Akihabara! I have a few recommendations in terms of Tokyo tech stuff.
Tokyo has a bunch of VR theme parks/exhibits in arcades, which could be cool. In Akihabara, there’s a bargain market for basic parts (cables, lights, security cameras...), and if you walk down the right side of the road on Akihabara (anime direction), you’ll find a computer component shop with Kryonaut a little less expensive than Amazon/Newegg (not inc. tax) and GPUs in stock. Big Camera (store name) has tech stuff all over.
Completely unrelated to videos, YOU NEED TO GO TO AN ONSEN (if you can possibly fit that into your schedule)!!!
will you void my warranty if i mod the modmatt?
Saw the new LTT video today just before this one and he had your GN large 4x2 A.S. Matt! Glad to see he supports his enemies..I mean community.
Bit of background - I first got into overclocking and enthusiast builds in the late 90s, and pretty much didn't keep track of things from about '01 until 2016 or so.
So, I have two then vs now questions.
First, what happened to Peltier coolers for CPU? They were one of the "next big thing" exotic coolers at that time, and they seem to have basically vanished.
Second, what happened to solid copper coolers? Those were another "big thing" of the era, with Zalman being a bigger player.
I have guesses and assumptions on both answers, but I'd rather just get the skinny as you see it.
Peltier coolers basically went away due to how inefficient they where, they have to create as much heat as they cool because of thermodynamics and how they function, bypassing any effect the lower temperatures would achieve by heating the interior of the case to stupid levels.
When All in one liquid coolers for CPUs came onto the market, it killed all interest in Peltier devices, they do the same job, just for cheaper and without all the downsides.
Solid copper towers just did not do all that much in the first place other then be fancy, aluminum fin stacks where with in single percentage points of heat displacement over time when fed by the heat pipes when compared to soild copper, and people did not like spending hundreds on a air cooler, so they just kinda vanished, only thing i can think of now that has soild copper fins are the Kingpin 1080 and 1080TI cards, and those are just stupid.
What's your opinion on arctic accelero 3 and 4 as the way to get cheap/early access to decent cooling for video card instead of blowing some cooler?
My Zalman Z1 Neo seems pretty alright... If you replace the stock "fans" that it ships with, the well ventilated front of the case seems to promote good airflow.
AskGN hi, my rx 480 overheats when i put my side pannel on, its not the v core and according to hw info not vrm either. i think its the vram. Should I put heat sinks on the vram or underclock the memory? if the model matters its the asus dual rx480 8gb. I would really appreciate advise
Could you potentially use the ic pads as regular thermal pads, and would it be an upgrade?
Is it gonna be worth it the new Threadripper 2? If it is the same 2700 together doesn’t seem like a beast of upgrade, but a worth it one? What do you think?
Some people think threadripper 2 might have more cores. But i don't think there is much info yet.
can someone please tell me how much do i need to se the thermal pad on threadpripper ?
Can you test external tb3 enclosures with pcie 4.0 nvme for large files like a steam library?
The Zalamn Z1 seems to have the same chassis as the Antec GX500B. Except Antec had mounts for 2x fans in the top (via a rather tall plastic shroud), 1x on the side and an extra fan in the front, meaning that the airflow in Antec's version is quite good (especially with the drive cage removed).
Is the old Zalman Z1 video up somewhere to watch?
#TBT ua-cam.com/video/2tYuphCFbC8/v-deo.html