Simon Jordan CLAIMS Premier League Clubs DON'T CARE What Happens To EFL Clubs 😱🔥
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- Опубліковано 12 бер 2024
- Simon Jordan discusses whether Premier League clubs should make payments down to EFL clubs.
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Arguing with Jim white is like arguing with a 5 year old child
It seems like he's insecure that his knowledge isn't anywhere near that of other pundits, and so he always jumps in with a half-baked opinion and often just to have a different stance, it seems. Maybe he's told to do that by those behind the scenes 🤔.
He thinks he's debating and playing devil's advocate but doesn't realise that true debate comes from reality.
No, a 5 year old child would come back with better questions and arguments than Jim.
Jim has to represent the views of many of his listeners or there will be no show. “Oh well we all agree on that so nothing to talk about “ springs to mind . He is the Wise to Simon Parish’s Morecombe and enables Si to sound off in his own way. It takes skill to debate one side of a motion that you do not believe in and Jim is good at doing it. He is not the 5 year old that so many accuse him of being but a great straight man
Don't forget about the petulant teenager.
lol did Simon just say 'I've always had a problem with people who call themselves Steve instead of Steven, etc' while on the air with Jim White and Danny Murphy 😂
lol exactly I just googled his names Daniel Murphy 😂
@@Behaveplease You had to Google that? Please behave...
😂😂 i just noticed that
@@BehavepleaseDanny doesnt call himself Danny just as Simon doesnt call himself Si, but they dont mind if other do.
@@scottcampbell3644 yes I did why would I really know his birth name without checking I’m not his dad
As a fan of Ipswich, we have been in the EFL for years, and are close to getting up to the premiership. However if we do make it I do feel the journey will have been a lot more enjoyable than the destination.
sadly I think ya right about that sadly
It's insane that clubs like Palace and Forest who regularly flirt with relegation to be opposed to the Football League getting a share of Premier League revenue.
Hang on!! Not true. “Additional”
Please listen to what’s been said not what you want to hear
@@BridgeStamford ok additional revenue. Which the EFL needs.
Let’s all hope palace and forest and Bournemouth get relegated and let the efl deal with then accordingly
@@Mark12106 I'm hoping at least one of the clubs taking that position gets relegated. I just cannot understand why they're so short sighted. Maybe they're doing it on basis that if they get relegated they'll have so much more money than rest of the Championship but that's a dangerous game. Championship is a very long season and the playoffs can be a lottery. All it takes is a few injuries and you get stuck there for 3 or 4 years and then the parachute payments run out.
Snark no lets not hope they get relegated its not going to happen son 😎
They should do. Look how many “Premier League” clubs end up in the EFL, even after sustained Premier League periods. Blackburn, Stoke, Middlesbrough, Sunderland, Swansea, Leeds, Leicester, Southampton… the list goes on.
Simon is a pure wizard man. Smartest person on air!
Ok then going by Simon's logic, why do the 17 premier League teams continue to pay parachute payments to the 3 teams that get relegated, because once they get relegated they are part of the EFL, not the premier League. And according to Simon should not have help teams in lower leagues. And for that reason I'd love to see Palace get relegated and their income hit the floor.
I agree
8:59 - 9:20 Everyone is like Danny listening in on this subject
Underrated comment
Really wish Jim would stop talking over Simon when he's making comments about things Jim really knows nothing about.
Jim knows plenty about nothing
No he had a good point. Simon mispoke when he said there is a responsibility rather than say there should be. Jim was right to push that point.
Jim has a point. Furthermore this isn't the Simon Jordan show, he needs to listen when is argument is challenged.
he gets ratings for it
Premier league teams don't care about EFL but they do when they expect loan fees for young talent
I suspect the 3 Premier League clubs that relegated will care very much about the EFL. Will be hilarious if one of the clubs that doesn't want to fund it falls through the trap door this season.
I noticed the majority of teams mentioned are owned by Americans. As an American I find this to be no coincidence.
Tbf I noticed this. Is it because your sports over the water tend to all be one league, so the notion of paying a lower league some of your own money is strange? Or are you suggesting you are naturally greedy? 😂
@@Joedareds Our sports leagues are insular. The owners and the leagues demand guaranteed profits every year. The owners do not want any kind of performance based profit hits. If they ended up last in the league oh well, we get good draft positions and free agency to look forward to this off season. There is no real jeopardy. You might lose fans if you constantly perform bad but then you can just move the team to a new market, rebrand and make more money again.
@@Joedareds I really like the English pyramid. I think it should be protected and valued as much as possible. I have seen the prem moving more towards an American model the past 14 years or so and I do not care for it.
SUPERLEAGUE!
@j_rock80 I'm not going to claim we've got it all right, but I can see pros and cons in both. I actually think the system you have in America is really good for youth development. Although you don't have "youth teams" per say, you have high school and college level sports which is amazingly popular, and the draft is an event of itself. Nice to see teams like Chelsea don't exist, who seem to control the youth market over here.
I can see why business owners would prefer your model though.
as a fan of an EFL club I don’t expect handouts from the so called top league.
Final Position in Leagues price money should be improved
How would you do that?
It’s not going to work otherwise, bozo. Drop the Tory mindset and open your eyes
The Premier League needs to compensate the EFL for taking their champions every year to make up their league. This is what happenes when you create a breakaway league.
@@joelthorpe4170 How would the championship feel if the premier league didn't relegate and the championship could keep their champions? Premier league clubs are being asked to give money to their competitors, teams that will use that money to try and take their place in the premiership and every year three of them will.
You don’t understand the landscape of the pyramid clearly, educate yourself before you make comments about handouts
Clubs that have not yo-yoed in and out of the Premier League do deserve to have financial help. Teams like Norwich, Sheffield United and a few others that keep coming up and then going down after less than a year should not be allowed to keep being paid parachute money by the clubs in the Premier League Its unfair to the other clubs lower down that are possibly paid a lot less .
Did you get a prize when you came last at school sports day 🤔
@@ange1098that argument also applys to relegated premier league teams too
That's exactly what happens to the bottom 3 clubs in the EPL.@@ange1098
Wait until Simon hears about taxes
"sorry si" 🤣🤣
jim being a prick as per.
He should've responded with "That's alright, James."
Do you want a lager Si?
Simon, the point you are missing is that the Premier League's success is having a detrimental impact on the EFL that it cannot escape from due to structure. The parachute payments are great... but if they end up going to the same 10 clubs, then the Championship's top ten is going to look very familiar year on year.
The risk is that is harms the ability of small clubs to climb the ladder, which is essential to both the EFL and PL's success in my opinion.
This is weird considering everyone’s crying about the super league.
Most of the Prem wouldn’t be in the super league.
Totally agree, however the EFL don't care about the PL or the future of English football either. That's the real issue, we have 3 separate organisations all involved in the welfare of English football, the FA, the PL and the EFL and the reality is all three are all about self interest.
why would PL care about the EFL. What do they get in return ... and don't say players. Not very many these days it's cheaper and still easier to go abroad.
They get football to carry on existing as we know it.
Without a sustainable football pyramid, there wouldn't be a premier league, as a bit like a pyramid, without its base, the whole thing collapses... including the top. It is in everyone's self- interest for a sustainable solution to be found
3 Premier League clubs get relegated every season to the EFL and with the exception of the the big 6 and Newcastle everybody in the Prem is in danger at some point of getting relegated. So apart from those 7 very rich clubs it's in the best interests of all the others in the Prem to have a better funded EFL for when they eventually drop into it. Also English football is built on the idea of a pyramid that you can go up and down. The more revenue share across the 4 divisions the better. It's in nobody's interest bar the big 6 and Newcastle to have a very strong Premier League and a rubbish EFL.
@@mliam0709 Not quite sure why you feel the need to shoehorn Newcastle into it...
Because most of those PL clubs could very well get relegated at some point then they would be very happy to get that extra cash, also the money helps sustain the pyramid of English football which has been the format and an institution of our country for a very long time!
@@haroldine9838how would the premiership collapse 😂 they don’t need bottom feeders
Some of those clubs pushing back against it are the same ones who voted for a super league!!! What a surprise!!!!
‘Sorry Si’ killed me
😂😂
Great clip 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Simons knowledge is unmatched. Who even knew this
So basically, English club football is nothing but a Socialist/Communist experiment. Interesting
Arsenal, spurs Tottenham, Man U (not in the list mentioned) Man City (to a point) liverpool, Newcastle (to a point) have all spent huge sums of money over the last 25 years to create the infrastructure for their business to thrive. In that same period sunderland frittered away riches and Charlton also were in the premier league and failed to prepare for the future.
Why should teams who have spent decades building something (at their own expense) hand money to Charlton to allow Charlton to have a bigger budget and completely remove the incentive for the CEO to do his job and grow his business.
Arsenal sold two players to finance the building of a training ground. The compromised sporting success to finance a stadium. Spurs were in the Stone Age in footballing terms twenty years ago and look at them now with space age infrastructure. The EFL didn’t step in and offer to help spurs modernise because it was unfair that they kept finishing in the bottom half. Maybe Charlie Methven should just remember we watched his performance at Sunderland on Netflix and Arsenal spurs, Man U (to a point) Newcastle Man City and Liverpool do not tend to treat their employees like he does na their business continue to boom. Maybe he should lead by example and start handing some of his clubs elevated resources down to league two clubs so they can match his clubs wages. I don’t expect to read statements from Crewe, Sutton, Cambridge, Forest Green, Accrington, Barrow and Tranmere thanking him for his contributions to their developments any time soon though.
Yes they were
Does the efl give anything to the leauge below them 🤔
The EFL as a feeder league to the EPL doesn't have vast revenues so I assume not.
Wonder if they told the championship clubs that they had to pay the top 3 non league divisions money in the same way the attitude would be the same.
The EFL doesn't make enough revenue. The Premier League does. As fans of football it's in our best interests to have a smaller rather than larger gap between Premier League and Championship clubs.
At this point I'm starting think again about this "Super League" idea. Perhaps it is a good idea if the "big clubs" cleared off and played with themselves - as it were, and left the rest of us who enjoy real world, largely ENGLISH football , thrive without them.
Wc wins : 1: 58 years ago. Great, let that sink in😂
Do you not realise that the English Premier league is already the "super league". It's the richest, most successful, most watched league in world football and the projections are it's only going to get bigger. Clubs are only interested in money, so there's no way any English clubs will leave the PL anytime soon. Clubs like Real, Barca, Juventus, Milan etc can see the future and there's little world wide interest in the Spanish and Italian leagues, so those clubs are desperate to form a new league to challenge the jugganout that is the Premier League.
Is that Michael Jackson at 4:45 ?
😂
you mean Mikey Jacko
Sir Lord Simon Jordan OBE we salute you! ✊️ Jordanites UNITE ✊️
🤢🤮 I guess sheep need to follow something 🤷
4:49 Sorry Si, brilliant from Jeff
Simon is so wise!!!
He is the top LAD with the proper clobber.
@@MW92. proper clobber 💯
@@poolwizard11 welcome to the jordanites pool 🤝 Simon = top LAD proper clobber
And greedy...and selfish...and pompous...and augmentative...and a contradiction etc etc
Yep propper clobber. I wouldn't trust anyone else to fix my shoes
Smon Jordan is best thing on Talk Sport
Simon is absolutely SPOT ON!!
Ipswich owners are richer than most premier league owners and there will be others it just wouldnt be right if teams had to pay them and fund there clubs if there was no ffp they would be fine
He actually isn't.
He is way off.
Div 1, Div 2, Div 3, Div 4 - quality times
I'll give the EFL at least another 10 years if this doesn't get sorted, These clowns on Talk sport normalising these conversations is dangerous! These news outlets should be calling them out not giving excuses to keep the elite elite..makes me sick 🤬
in years to come there may only be about 10 professional clubs in the whole of england
Some of the lower league teams have richer owners than premier league teams ipswich owners are worth over 10 billion why not just scrap ffp or change it
Reading, derby, portsmouth, leeds, rangers...
@@lilbaz8073 Qpr have mega rich yes i know that one even going further doen the leagues there are some pretty rich owners and it is them that own the club so they should fund it its a private buisness
Bristol Rovers an Stoke 2
I agree with Simon..why should a club like Liverpool give money to Sheff weds for nothing..
Im a weds fan and I can say that there’s not a chance chansiri would give any cash to other clubs..He can’t even sort his own shite out.
Because without a healthy pyramid you end up with a superleague and nothing else.
And is that not ultimately the aim for them?
@@cdeford2 what's wrong with ending up with super league? i am looking forward to it
@@cdeford2That's nothing but a Socialist experiment
So if pyramid in the structure is all a hoax then why oppose Super league
Simon, are you referring to Reading being in league one at this club then somebody else i.e. Liverpool in the Premier League?
There will be no premier league without the lower leagues.
This is like telling me giving my neighbour some of my food is the right thing to do.
Erm no I'll dictate what i choose to do, the premier league isnt responsible for the EFl
You've heard of income tax right?
The Premier League broke away from the football league, and as part of the agreement for that to happen, they agreed to provide funding as compensation for taking the best clubs and best players away. Imagine if your club was not in the PL, and realistically never would be, would you be happy that it folded because the PL reneged on the agreement, or would you hate everthing the PL stood for, and vow never to contribute to the PL by subscribing or watching it? The PL exists because of the pyramid below it, just look at the Spanish and Italian leagues, they are struggling because they are dominated by one or two clubs that win everything every season, and no one watches it on TV, because it is boring. The PL succeeds because there are real consequences for finishing bottom, there are 5 or 6 clubs who have a realistic chance of success each season, remember Leicester? That creates excitement that no other league in the world can match. No one club has dominated, season after season, even when Man Utd were the top dog, they did not win every year, and just look at them now. The Premier League is a huge commercial success, but that success has a price, the responsibility for maintaining the very system that allowed them to exist in the first place, the football league pyramid.
So they should
I could listen to Simon all day long.
Shame White keeps interrupting!
Are you a masochist?
Interesting that Newcastle, City, the Oil clubs don’t mind pushing money back into our national leagues. Charitable chaps, with too much money to even care
More like they are improving local communities team like West Ham and that believe tax payer should pay them.
It's a dog eat dog world
We should have a two tier Premiership system,both equal and 20 teams in each tier,each year we pick the teams that play in each tier and the winners in each tier plays in a Super final,maybe a new Cup or allow the league cup become the SuperCup.Also there should be a relegation system and make League one and two be the new Championship leagues with the Vanarama becoming League one! Sounds like a plan?? To many good teams now!! 😊
Unfortunately there is still a massive difference between Championship teams and PL teams.
The world gets less empathetic day by day, ffs I thought greed was a SIN 🤔
Simon when talking management and finance 10/10
When talking about football on the field 5/10
Quite right too.
What the problem is that the sport vastly overrates itself and inflates the market. Not like other sports don’t do that but greed will always ruin everything but it’s not the clubs concern.
"If you don't do" what we want you to do (for political gain) "then we will put an independent regulator in." So, I surmise that this person will do exactly what the government wants. That doesn't sound like an "independent " process.
No, the regulator will force the Premier League to properly fund the leagues below them to preserve the english football pyramid. The PL clubs are posturing, they know that change is coming, but until it arrives they are trying to keep as much money for themselves as possible. It makes perfect commercial sense to delay a deal until the last possible minute, then hope the deal they make is acceptable to the regulator. Even if they are forced to pay more by the regulator, they will have had an extra few months, maybe a year, to keep their money in the bank.
Money before integrity. Typical pro attitude.
So they want teams in the Premier League teams to give out more money while punishing the same teams for being in losses? I wouldn't care about the EFL either.
So on this basis Tesco, Sainsbury etc need to give money to corner shops. It’s madness.
Why would any club want to disburse money to clubs in a lower league who desire to take their place? The whole concept does not make sense in a business sense or an ethical sense. Lower league clubs should stop mortgaging the house just to try for the PL. If you have good (cheaper) players you will get there. Also stop these stupid parachute payments when they get dumped from the PL.
It's nothing but Socialism being practised in football
Simon is so clever I wouldn't want to get in an argument with him he talks to fast
Unbeatable 😂😂😂
Charlie Methven is the bloke from Sunderland Til I Die he chose the second option to die. he's a total Chad but it's just a vibe
good old Si-dog spitting facts as usual
Lmaoo I don’t call people Phil that are called Phillip and Steve instead of Steven then proceeds to call Daniel Murphy Danny 😂😂..I had a feeling so I just had to google his real name
Commercial reality versus Eutopia of moral imparatives. Wages in EPL are humongous! Executives in EPL have hard tasks on their hand to be financially solvant. So, no one can blame the clubs in EPL sticking to " charity begins at home".
Premier league is complete and utter poison at the moment. Don’t want Wanderers anywhere near it and that’s it
Don’t worry Bolton won’t ever be back in it
You havent got worry about that 😂😂😂
1:49 forest and Bournemouth will regret that when they’re in the champ again in 18 months
I CANNOT understand why any of the 13 clubs that could be relegated in the next 5 years are against more money for the EFL. It's very shortsighted.
@@mliam0709 they’ll all cry if they go down. What comes around goes around. Forest of all teams just spent 23 years in the champ & league one are looking at a 6 point penalty!
my question is what would those premier league clubs mindset be if they were relegated hmmmm funnily enough they would be then in favour.
I've HAD IT with Jim White. I want to hear Jordan's views- he's knowledgeable, articulate, thoughtful and considers what he has to say judiciously. This White just constantly interrupts to shout out non-sequitors for the hell of it. He himself admitted in a previous segment how he doesn't even believe what he says but just wants to argue. What is the point of him?!!? Like having to have a child act as an interlocutor.
exactly the same as simon. my name is also simon and i don't mind the nickname si but i would never go around calling myself that.
Simon objects to shortened names..... then calls him Danny 😂😂😂
Its up too clubs to look after there own house shouldnt expect hand outs for nothing
There is definite entitlement on EFL’s end.
It's not entitlement to look for a fairer distribution model.
@chrispsrk3785 why? What right does a lower league club have to a premier league clubs riches? This is a form of backdoor socialism. A redistribution of wealth that's NOT deserved.
So basically, English club football is nothing but a Socialist/Communist experiment. Interesting
The Premier League pulled the ladder up behind them in 1992
One way you could get more money into the EFL is clubs like Chelsea and City should be made to pay properly for the talent they poach from smaller clubs
Why is Simon being so nice, jovial and agreeable today?.....edit It all ended after the first five.
Socialising losses and privatising gains is the want of these clubs
EFL clubs were living beyond their means and EPL clubs are expected to pay for their operational incompetence. FFP is in place for a reason so those who fall foul of it cannot be surprised when they do. Premier league clubs barely spent in January because of FFP and so that should mean all clubs in the pyramid should do the same.
Let’s hope those 10 clubs get relegated and see how they like it…..karma
Battle of wits and Jim was unarmed.
Another fair play rule to destroy the investment, it’s controlling business like a government it’s wrong
It’s not the clubs rejecting it. It’s the owners rejecting it. For the owners, it’s just a business making money so they want to keep as much as possible and if by any chance they do get relegated and can’t get back up, stop, they’ll just sell up. They don’t need the football Pyramid. The EFL is just a punishment for getting relegated.
The premier league already give funding and rightly so. I don’t know if they pay enough but without the leagues below there is no premier league
Without the EFL there is no Pl.
So? 😅
It is inevitable. When you open teams up to being run by/like a business. Then this will happen. If the clubs were run by fans then there might be some camaraderie left. Football has slowly become like any market / industry and no one has realised until now. And now it's too late.........
Si, haha, is 100% correct in this case.
This is like saying you own your own house thats gone up in value, so you need to give me some of that value because i rent my house
Simon still crying about when Charlton sent em down. Grow up
“…I met someone for lunch, at the savoy, had caviar… but it t doesn’t matter, not sure why I’m mentioning it”…. Jim 🤦♂️
Simon is 100% right. Scrap this fake competition.
Football reflects society
All very well and good the EFL coming to the premier league with their palms out. Should have a look at their own distribution methods first.
If clubs are made to do things that they see they do not HAVE TO then I can see a "Super League" happening......
the government can make it extremely hard for those clubs by imposing massive police costs on them and go after them in the tax system by not allowing any kind of tax write-offs
Why do EFL clubs act as if they're some kind of charities?
I hope the premier league breaks away so that EPL clubs can maybe make a rule that teams have to have 50% English players in their squads unlike PL. Which now is absolutely ludicrous. How can our players improve when inept foreigners are bought in the hundreds because we seem to have a lot of friggin money in this country
Why should the Premier league actually care what the clubs want? The PL negotiates the massive broadcasting rights and passes it to the clubs, the PL should bypass the EPL and pass it to the EFL directly.
Simon was trying to explain economic realities here and Jim kept interrupting with utterly irrelevant nonsense talking points that the EFL uses for marketing. Nobody who loves the game thinks this economic system is what should exist or should have existed, and that's what Simon was saying. But the horse left the barn 30 years ago.
Jim White is a proper nobber sometimes
Why should private businesses pay other private businesses who they are in direct competition with? Does McDs hand out cash to all the chippies in town?
Applea and Oranges. You can't compare those private businesses to football clubs, they are entirely different things, no one pays money to watch a private business at work, but they will pay to watch two private football clubs competing against each other, alongside the 90 other private football clubs competing against each other. Without competition there is no business, no money to be made from the many fans who watch, both on TV and in the stadiums. Taking your example to the extreme, who would watch the only remaining football club in England, playing against their reserve team, because all other clubs had been driven out of business?
Danny Murphy is the 🐐 of Talk Sport
LOlz WOW Bournemouth has got a nerve, surely those clubs in Premier League realise that what makes their season interesting, IS the lower half of the table trying to evade relegation. Likewise what makes the Championship exciting is the fight for the top two automatic promotion slots and then the play-off for third, a symbiotic relationship if you will, between the two Leagues. I am a life long Leeds supporter, and I have to say tho, the Championship is a much more interesting league, many of those clubs were once Premier League status. I don't fancy being promoted to end up getting hammered week in week out like before. Those top clubs "pushing back" need to realise, their "status" means FA without the rest of us.
Why should the premier league give the EFL handouts?
Millwall made their first million pound signing in june 2022!!!!!. Imagine that, only just done that. Imagine that in this day and age in the craziness of sport economics. So I believe in this title.
That's Millwall's problem. Why should someone else have to pay for it?
@iykeharrison9161 because it wouldn't be a sport without a high degree of competition. It will turn into a farmers league and lose reputation as the best. As the back catalogue of teams suffer financial strain due to the in balance of wealth in the league. Teams will go bust. Clubs will collapse, and you'll be playing a competition with no competition. There's not a lot of billionaires in the world who genuinely have to care to progress clubs, only profit off them. Not to mention, have no interest in investing in the game. So, if you wish the league to remain the best, the best have to support the lower divisions, or their will be no more football clubs in this country. As they will suffer the same fate as bury as a result. The higher teams will have no teams to face, prompting them to lose money, the league to have no money, and basically no football. The top needs the bottom as much as the bottom needs the top.
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I'm a Charlton fan and agree with what Simon is saying 😅
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