thank you so much for sharing! Always great to see clips that folk so generously share for free! Love the stop in the bosal! Feeling inspired again to ride a certain reluctant fella. Thank you.
Used this technique on my 5 y/o quarter horse gelding today; he's highly trained but had a long break and got lazy-- deadsided, attitude, etc. Used my dressage stick once or twice and he pretty much immediately reverted back to the responsive horse he was before-- this method was just the extra nudge I needed to get him back in action. 10/10.
Yes! Exactly! That's what I had to use on my lazy Hanoverian dressage horse. One "good" swat cleared his mind and gave him a can do attitude quickly! After that, when I used light leg, he responded immediately. When I wanted half pass, I only had to use it once behind my leg on the outside, but half pass became brilliant...lol. One good swat is a winner! Once, when my trainer was helping me, she complained about how lazy my horse was so she picked up a whip and as she was giving him a smack, she missed and hit me. My horse figured out what was coming and he bolted forward and I yelled out in pain, but my trainer laughed and said we both deserved it!!! When she said "trot" after that, we both responded superbly...LOL.
Completely agree. These type of videos really annoy me when they have the perfect horse and then say ‘Oh look it worked’ I guarantee there is no quick miracle fix for an unresponsive horse other than perseverance and consistency!
My horse could NOT care less. He picks up his walking pace maybe a tiny bit but then goes back to his zombie pace. Or stops completely. The only thing I can do as a last resort is use the crop which gets him moving, but rarely ever a trot. Ugh
Sticky feet. That's what this seems to be. Use a vocal cue as your forward cue (unless the horse is deaf). If no response, use your legs. If no response use a whip. But you have to use these cues all at once and once the horse finally responds, let the horse go a few steps then call them in to stop and rest. They'll learn quick if they do what you ask on the lightest pressure, they don't get the increased pressure and they get to rest. Here's a good way of putting it: teaching a horse to stop when you say whoa. Personally, I drag out the word as whoaaaaaaaa so it sounds different than everything else I say. So, we're riding along having a good time. I sit deep in the saddle and tell my horse whoa. No response (obviously because the horse wasn't trained to this. Gotta start somewhere). So I touch her mouth/face (depending on if I have a bridle or halter on) and stop her, then continue to back up a few steps. Stop and let her rest, then continue on. I do this randomly throughout the ride. If your horse likes treats and has difficulty picking up on what you're putting down, give a treat the first one or two times when they do it right. Obviously don't give a treat every time because they'll start to expect it. I put my horse to the test one day after five sessions working on this. I was loping and thought to myself, "What will she do if I sit deep and don't say whoa?" So I sat deep in the saddle and she stopped. That proves that horses feel your seat change and that she was paying close attention to what I was doing when asking her to stop.
It sounds like you should retrain your horse. If he’s not listing to your leg to that extent it’s not a behavior problem it’s more like a lack of knowledge on your horses part. It could also be a saddle fit problem I’ve met several horses that would not go more than a walk when there saddled didn’t fit
MLOB96 you sure he’s sound? ik i’m asking three years later lol but most times when horses dislike going into a trot or anything over that, there’s something wrong where it’s not comfortable for him.
@@v9311 3 years later, he's almost 19 and does short trail rides now. He had arthritis which we knew and we hadn't ridden him super often in a while at the time, so I think he just got a bit lazy. I also didn't have the confidence to work him harder at the time. I started riding a halflinger and it was night and day riding him. He really listens to your subtle leg cues so I had to get used to not giving my leg cues too hard or he'd take off. lol
I'm not sure how much help this would be 4 years later but the best advice I can think of is trying to figure out when your horse's pace changes. Even if its a very small change immediately apply pressure. I'm not saying to whip your horse as hard as you can, but just remind them with a light tap that they need to keep going. If you take too long to realize they're slowing down, they'll probably break down into trot again. Hope this helps :)
Yes as soon he loses his forwardness, remind him /her the gue again, Consistency is the key you’re not gonna be able to do it just once or twice it may take a half a dozen times 20×30 times until finally you can give him Light gue with the Calf of your leg without reinforcing with the Decyde stick or a spur remember the spur is the last thing you want to use
Interesting watch and I like the idea but my horse is so stubborn he doesn’t respond to any of these if he doesn’t feel like it. He will ignore a whip as much as he ignores my leg or voice. Any tips?
Not sure if this information will help 9 months later, but I'll do my best to help :) Usually horses that don't respond to any of your aids (leg, voice, crop/whip) are desensitized which basically means that your horse doesn't take you seriously. My advice would be working with your horse on the ground with a lunge line. Teaching them to listen to voice aids also helps! For example when you're lunging say "trot" and if they don't move, you can simply flick the whip lightly so it makes a small pop sound and they should move forward. Once your horse understands what you are asking from the ground, your horse should respond better when in the saddle. Hope this helps! :)
I got a horse that's super reluctant to go into a trot but I can get him there with some effort. The thing I'm having trouble with is he wont STAY in the trot. I'll get about 30 seconds of trot and then he just refuses to do anything but walk.
Move the hips over (that will break the feet loose) and then drive her forward with the stick. Keep doing this every time she stops until you don't need the crop anymore.
Charles Wilhelm please help me because I have a horse and I ride with my friend who my horse is bffs with my friends horse and when we are riding together I try to turn my horse and he doesn't listen and then we put up a massive fight and he still doesn't listen . What should I do ?
I just got a retired trail horse who ignores all cues given to him. He learned this from all of the horrible writer who rode him in the past. I have no idea how to get him going or turn. Most of the he stands doing nothing. Please help!
Bruh my mare is so freaking lazy she didn’t even want to stand up so we were late for her dressage competition so I had to call all of the strong people at my stable to get her standing up and this helped me get her energy up a bit 😇 Edit: my guy friend had to get his stallion to get her to run into the trailer LOL
Where exactly did you touch him with the stick? It looks like the flank is where the stick is… but that can get a little sketchy. Maybe not for a lazy horse… but I’m bummed you were going to show us what to do and then did it when the camera was on the other side
If possible, perhaps you can ask your trainer if you can lunge the horse you ride. The mare that I constantly rode for lessons showed no response to my aids but once I started lunging her on the ground, she quickly learned that she needed to listen to my aids and my whip. Hope this helps you :)
I have an Appaloosa gelding who will willingly trot for as long as you ask. if you ask for a canter he gets frustrated and gives me a fast choppy trot or canters a few strides and bucks. any advice?
+ItsAnAppaloosaThing This is late, but you can probably still apply this advice? Make sure your aids are crystal clear. Outside leg behind the girth, drop your weight into your outside hip, and push with your inside hip. Make sure your weight isn't going forward (don't pump with your upper body, don't lean forward in the saddle), and that your hands are quiet. You can maintain plenty of contact, just make sure your arms and fingers aren't tensed when asking for the canter, or your horse will be confused Your horse may also need a lap of cantering without you on his back. I ride English, so I'm not sure how this could be applied to western if you ride western, but I ride a gelding who has a bit of a tight back. I go into half-seat and let him canter for a little while with me off his back before sitting, and he's much better behaved. If your gelding has stamina to carry you in a canter, your aids are clear, and his back is properly warmed up, but he's still throwing bucks, take a crop with you into the ring. When he bucks, slap his butt and turn him in a really tight circle. You should be thinking nose to tail until he turns three times, then circle the other way three times. Continue on as you were, and ask for the canter again. If he still bucks, do the circles again before asking him to move off your leg to continue. After two or three times of this, he's going to be fed up with circling and he should behave better. The crop is to give him a firm "no", and it isn't _necessary_, but it will help. Good luck!
What should you do when: 1- Horse doesn't give you any more when you ask for it 2- Horse decides additional aides means you should stop and stand (bad attititude)
if there's one available, can you show a video on how to deal with a hot headed horse? my friend is at a wall with hers. every single ride is like they're entering a race. all vetting and chiro work aside
How would you deal with a colt on the ground that is herd bound, and completely out of tune with your presence? I have a colt that I've tried moving around the round pen (first using my indirect feel/ energy ) and when that doesn't work I wave my rope behind the hindquarters and cluck. Nothing seems to make this horse want to move at all. He'd rather sniff the ground, whinny to his friends paddock, and completely ignore me. When on the halter, he will frequently rear, strike, and try and run me over. I've never had a colt this bad and with this much disrespect to start, so any suggestions would be lovely. I will also add, I've also tried untracking, backing, moving from pressure on the ground and he is extremely dull. I've worked with him about 6 times so far, and no progress. Help?
This is not an unusual problem. We work with horses like this all the time. If you are going to speak the language of horse, you must learn and really understand pressure and release. You need to use the least amount of pressure but as much as is needed to get the job done. Most people are comfortable with "least amount needed" but not with "as much as needed". You need to increase the pressure as much as needed until you get the feet to move (either in disengaging or asking the horse to move forward). What it sounds like is happening is that the horse is challenging you, and you are not comfortable in following through with enough pressure.. If you do not feel comfortable in using the amount of pressure to follow through, you many need to find someone to help you, to get the horse's feet to "break loose". Once you have established a good forward cue, then you can work on finesse. I believe this will solve the majority of the problems you are having.
My 3 1/2 yr old walking horse,is refusing to cooperate in the round pen ,did great with the trainer,and when I was there ,now he could care less,at first he had an attitude,but now extremely dull,
I have a 4 year old horse that dosent like to go forward at all we can hardly get him to walk we have tried dressage whips and also the leg we have now gave him a break and were just lunging him and longraning him out do the lane do you have any suggestions plase it would really help thanks katie :)
Sounds like you are not following through until you get a response. And know that you may get some adverse reactions when you do "ask the horse to go forward", like kicking out at your leg, or bucking. Ask first, then follow through, and follow through until you get a significant improvement, even going into a trot, that is a significant improvement. If you are not comfortable or able to do it consistently (over a period of time, to replace the bad habit with a good habit) then you should seek help from a professional who understands how to get a horse forward and has the skill to do it. I have had these kind of horses here in training, and it is because everyone quits too soon on them and they just learn to tolerate it. You may check with your vet and chiropractor as well to verify that there is nothing medical that could be a cause for the problem. Otherwise, keep at it. Usually the case is that you think you are following through enough but you really aren't.
I ride a paint gelding that is refusing to move a lot of the time, both under saddle and on a lead rope. He was doing well for a while, and now he is worse than when I started working with him. He doesn't respond well to my legs or a crop. I only see him once a week or less because he isn't mine, and I don't know what to do. Any advice?
+Music: Soul of Humanity Check out some of Charles' other videos on youtube, but a lot of what you are going to do with the horse is going to depend on how confident you are. This is not uncommon behavior and the reason is that the horse does not go forward. First of all, is it medically/chiropractically sound, secondly, dont get in the saddle until you can get the horse forward on the ground. Then consider that the horse does not know how to canter or at least know how to do it well. Work first on the ground lunging or in the round pen and get it comfortable before you get in the saddle. The horse needs to be comfortable in all 3 gaits on the ground, If you are not comfortable doing what needs to be done, I would suggest getting professional help.
+Charles Wilhelm I've watched several of the videos. I am confident with him, and he has just recently been checked out by the vet, and had his teeth, and hooves done. Whether or not he will move on the ground really depends on the day, but when he will, he listens perfectly until I ride him; then he will just turn his head when I attempt to turn him to get him going. I am not trying to canter him, only walk and trot. I don't have any way to lunge him or in a round pen unfortunately, and I have to work in a small area until our arena is completed. I'm not sure what to do in the meantime though, besides of course getting him to walk and trot on the lead like you said. I want to ask though, do you think his bit could have anything to do with it? Thanks ahead of time for what you already said and anything else you add.
I have two mares and one is very forward and the other is very slow. When we ride together Wave (the forward mare) won't stay behind with Jonquille (the slower mare) for very long. I will ask her to slow her gait down or stop and wait but as soon as Jonquille catches up she falls behind again. Jonquille gives me attitude when she is asked to go any faster than a walk (even on the lunge line). What can we do to help both the mares stay together on the trail?
+Barbora Ratcliff Sounds like there are 2-3 issues between the 2 horses. For the slower mare you need to be willing to work through the laziness or lack of forwardness until she can walk/trot and carnter on the lunge line in both directions without giving you the "ugly" look or attitude. You can also work on it in the round pen, until the horse is consistent in all gaits with out you having to nag her. She needs to be able to go forward, period. Ask, assist and then demand. If you dont feel up to this task you may seek out help from a trainer or more confident person. This will help out a little on the trail but it also sounds like the other horse is buddy or barn sour. Check out Charles' other viedo on buddy sour horses and how to work through that. ua-cam.com/video/LhxLaKeQQ_UT/v-deo.htmlhese are both things that people often give up on and settle for, it is going to take work and persevernce on your part to work through it.
I have a gelding who is extremely lazy! I can use heaps of force and sometimes he will move but most of the time he won't. I had him working good then he went on a spell, I am at the stage of asking for a roll back but there's no energy. How do I get energy?
Sarah Sounds like you are following through, just not being consistent. And know that you may get some adverse reactions when you do "ask the horse to go forward", like kicking out at your leg, or bucking. Ask first, then follow through, and follow through until you get a significant improvement, even going into a trot, that is a significant improvement. If you are not comfortable or able to do it consistently (over a period of time, to replace the bad habit with a good habit) then you should seek help from a professional who understands how to get a horse forward and has the skill to do it.
Get the forward motion before you ask for the rollback. If your horse can't stop, roll, and lope off with more than a kiss or heel touch, teach that lope departure first. Without forward motion, your rollback will stall.
I have a very lazy horse she is a mare and when I get her to the gallop she likes to buck. Is there anything I can do to stop her from bucking when I get her in a gallop.
Kaley Smith Horses that buck at the canter or even trot are expressing attitude. Basically, they are saying. " you make me go forward and 'I'm going to buck you off".Do you lunge the horse or round pen it and does it canter quietly? does it canter consistently with a good attitude? If it cant do it quietly on the lunge line, he wont be able to do it quietly under saddle.The other thing you need to do is to develop a good forward cue. Ask or squeeze with the leg to ask the horse to go forward, insist, tip the spur, and if he doesn't move forward demand, follow through with the dressage stick or the end of your reins.This way you are giving the horse fair warning but still following through.But make sure you can first lunge or round pen the horse quietly at the canter before you do it in the saddle.This will take away a lot of the attitude. Hope that helps.
Madie Goodman Hi, Madie. I know this response came well after the question was posted, but here's my thoughts on it. You probably need to go back to the basics with your horse. Establish respect with her from the ground by getting her to move her feet. For example, working her in a roundpen to establish your authority from a safe distance; then working on lunging and being able to disengage all core body parts. Establishing respect and learning how to communicate queues from the ground translates well into the saddle. There are many trainers on UA-cam where you can find valuable information on ground work basics such as Clinton Anderson, Warwick Schiller, and others. Hope this helps!
Just out of curiosity, due to the fact that I'm not too familiar with western style tack or western anything for that matter, what type of bridle is he using cause it doesn't seem like it has a bit? Is it similar to a hackmore where pressure is applied to the bridge of the nose?
When I got my horse the owner said he is stubborn and lazy. He took the saddle so easily but he was having a little trouble with the bit and he would not go forward like I said. The owner also said the horse has not been ridden for 2 years. He dose not kick or buck nothing like that he’s just stubborn.
It is interesting that this horse is blowing hard at the beginning of the video. So, a helpful tip is to throughly warm up your horse and then practice. My large boned horse requires twenty minutes of slow warm before we get these results. And he is exactly a slow and lazy horse. So, a bit of gimmicky here. Warm your slow horse up slowly, and then ask for response. I find this approach works best. Good luck. Ask light, ask firm, tell, ask light does work.
I have a horse a I use for barrel racing but when he gallops I KNOW he can go way faster so I kick him but he dosent go any faster would you recommend spirs if I be gentle with him?
Everything In Your Video Was Good Advice But You Need To Put You Feet Back Because you are Supposed To Be Inline ( Shoulder, Elbow, Heels ) Good Arena Equitation To Be Shoulders, Elbow, Heels .
I have no issue getting my horse to walk and trot (unless I'm not using spurs, then it's a battle), but I can't get him to go from the trot to the canter. If he does decide to canter, he gets upset over it and either: 1. Starts to buck 2. Breaks into a gallop 3. Refuses to stay on the rail and goes where he wants despite my signals. What should I do about this?
I'd do ground work him to get some respect and keep both of you safe. From the ground using a flag or a stick and string or whip get him to move into canter with a kiss and you bring up your engird a bit. (you start asking small). If that doesn't work use a kiss and wave the flag at your side (see if one wave works if not wave flag at your side in a rhythmic motion. a few times). If that doesn't work kiss and then give him a tap on the rump. If he bucks or rushes off get him to turn and send him off the other way. If you are not handy at ground work it will worth your while to get good at it as this will help you greatly to work out these types of issues.
Gosh every sport is different. I guess when you see my canter you must consider it awful and I myself don’t like this one that much. But hey, that’s why they’re different disciplines. There’s not one better than the other, just different.
I can kick and kick, all he does if flinch under my heel. I tried spurs same thing. Yes, once or twice he would kick at my spur. I usually smack him on both sides with my reins which makes him jump, try to buck than walk of sometimes trot. I've had him for 4 years now. I have tried many methods.
I have had these kind of horses here in training, and it is because everyone quits too soon on them and they just learn to tolerate it. You may try a dressage stick because it sounds like he has become dull to the leg. You may check with your vet and chiropractor as well to verify that there is nothing medical that could be a cause for the problem. Otherwise, keep at it. Usually the case is that you think you are following through enough but you really aren't.
I have you all beat I have a 5 year old stud quarter horse and he is lazy and I mean lazy he won't lunge move forward with me on his back I'm at my wits end with him but I haven't gave up yet
I don't have a horse but the horse I ride is fine with trotting, but she doesn't want to lope! I kick her as hard as I can after doing it softly, but she still won't listen! Please help me i really want to lope on her! She's not my horse
Ssolover 101 Kicking hard isn't the answer. You need to learn how to use your seat correctly and body position. Roll your hips in a lope pattern and use your vocal cues. When you kick you actually slow the horse down. Of course a bit of a little kick is ok but big kicks will only counter what you are trying to do. Make sure the horse had plenty of rein and it's very loose. If you have more questions just ask 😊
Personally I don't want my horse breaking into a lope off of a simple cluck, why not just a trot? Once he starts to move in a trot I either cluck again or add some leg pressure. If I need to take off at a gallop it's going to be cued from leg pressure, body language and spur if needed. Just my thought's and everyone has their opinion.
Thanks for input, a que has to be establish. The spur is reinforcement of the que you want. Most horses are dulled down. I would lest 85 per cent. I would be happy if it went in fast trot, where I can feel the horse come though from his rear. A lazy horse is on front end. Going in to lope/ canter is Result of not going to brisk trot/ has to have energy. From there you can teach the all 3 gates , including nice forward walk
My horse is fast I just wish it was faster it definitely has energy tho but I want it faster bc I wanna win races between my sister bc we like to race on are driveway to the farm ( long gravel road )
I have a 12 year old gray mare that is lazy. I can get her to trot but there is little energy and I have to constantly use my leg to her going..and it is difficult to get her to canter, and she will not keep going..I don't want her to get dull to my leg
+Jylian Buchert Sounds like you are not following through until you get a signifcatn response. And know that you may get some adverse reactions when you do "ask the horse to go forward", like kicking out at your leg, or bucking. Ask first, then follow through, and follow through until you get a significant improvement. If you are not comfortable or able to do it consistently (over a period of time, to replace the bad habit with a good habit) then you should seek help from a professional who understands how to get a horse forward and has the skill to do it. I have had these kind of horses here in training, and it is because everyone quits too soon on them and they just learn to tolerate it. You may check with your vet and chiropractor as well to verify that there is nothing medical that could be a cause for the problem. Otherwise, keep at it. Usually the case is that you think you are following through enough but you really aren't.
The horse is not lazy at all! Why doesn't he use a horse that really doesn't want to move forward? That would be more beneficial to the viewer who has logged in to find out how to put energy into a lazy horse!!!
Spurs are disgusting... I don't care what you say, it's painful for the horse and is only gonna turn a horse into a cautious, fragile, SUPER sensitive, and spooky horse. In my opinion, The only reason Spurs should EVER be used is style, not abuse
You shouldn't need a extension of the foot. When you use the spurs you're probably using them to hurt the horse. A experienced rider usually uses their legs or their whole body, for an example arms, legs or even the toes to move the horse. They don't use their feet. They won't move their feet back to touch the horse. (Or in simplified terms: they don't "kick" their horses in the stomach.)
Cloudia Plays when getting your horse to move laterally you’re going to need to use your feet and not just your legs. For someone who has longer legs (like me) it comes in handy to have some sort of extension. Light tapping and sometimes constant but light pressure lets the horse know what way they need to move.
Apparently you don’t know that some horses are more let’s say “thicker skinned” some horses do need more of the pressure that spurs will provide. I agree some people don’t know how to use the spurs the way their not supposed to be used. We have spurs though for an easier aid.
Not only are they an extension of your leg but touching with a spur can save your knees when you are an older rider. Just because you wear spurs doesn't mean you use spurs and when you use them, it is a touch not a jab. Spurs are pretty dull, the are not pointy and sharp like spikes or anything. Frustrating when people don't understand what spurs are and how they should be used.
I DON'T THINK YOU NEEE SPURS TO GET ANY HORSE MOVING FORWARD , GIVING THE HORSE PROPER TRAINING YOU CAN DO ALL THIS AND MUCH MORE WITHOUT THE USE OF SPURS . FOR ME THIS IS CRULE TO THE HORSE HAVING SOMETHING SHARP STUCK IN YOUR RIBS.
thank you so much for sharing! Always great to see clips that folk so generously share for free! Love the stop in the bosal!
Feeling inspired again to ride a certain reluctant fella. Thank you.
Used this technique on my 5 y/o quarter horse gelding today; he's highly trained but had a long break and got lazy-- deadsided, attitude, etc. Used my dressage stick once or twice and he pretty much immediately reverted back to the responsive horse he was before-- this method was just the extra nudge I needed to get him back in action. 10/10.
Yes! Exactly! That's what I had to use on my lazy Hanoverian dressage horse. One "good" swat cleared his mind and gave him a can do attitude quickly! After that, when I used light leg, he responded immediately. When I wanted half pass, I only had to use it once behind my leg on the outside, but half pass became brilliant...lol. One good swat is a winner! Once, when my trainer was helping me, she complained about how lazy my horse was so she picked up a whip and as she was giving him a smack, she missed and hit me. My horse figured out what was coming and he bolted forward and I yelled out in pain, but my trainer laughed and said we both deserved it!!! When she said "trot" after that, we both responded superbly...LOL.
so..THATS a lazy horse??????You should meet my schoolhorses!!!! ;)
BHAHA SAME-
Completely agree. These type of videos really annoy me when they have the perfect horse and then say ‘Oh look it worked’ I guarantee there is no quick miracle fix for an unresponsive horse other than perseverance and consistency!
Sameeee
My horse could NOT care less. He picks up his walking pace maybe a tiny bit but then goes back to his zombie pace. Or stops completely. The only thing I can do as a last resort is use the crop which gets him moving, but rarely ever a trot. Ugh
Madison Ordy I have the same problem and I can't find any way to get her to move😕
Sticky feet. That's what this seems to be. Use a vocal cue as your forward cue (unless the horse is deaf). If no response, use your legs. If no response use a whip. But you have to use these cues all at once and once the horse finally responds, let the horse go a few steps then call them in to stop and rest. They'll learn quick if they do what you ask on the lightest pressure, they don't get the increased pressure and they get to rest.
Here's a good way of putting it: teaching a horse to stop when you say whoa. Personally, I drag out the word as whoaaaaaaaa so it sounds different than everything else I say. So, we're riding along having a good time. I sit deep in the saddle and tell my horse whoa. No response (obviously because the horse wasn't trained to this. Gotta start somewhere). So I touch her mouth/face (depending on if I have a bridle or halter on) and stop her, then continue to back up a few steps. Stop and let her rest, then continue on. I do this randomly throughout the ride. If your horse likes treats and has difficulty picking up on what you're putting down, give a treat the first one or two times when they do it right. Obviously don't give a treat every time because they'll start to expect it. I put my horse to the test one day after five sessions working on this. I was loping and thought to myself, "What will she do if I sit deep and don't say whoa?" So I sat deep in the saddle and she stopped. That proves that horses feel your seat change and that she was paying close attention to what I was doing when asking her to stop.
It sounds like you should retrain your horse. If he’s not listing to your leg to that extent it’s not a behavior problem it’s more like a lack of knowledge on your horses part. It could also be a saddle fit problem I’ve met several horses that would not go more than a walk when there saddled didn’t fit
MLOB96 you sure he’s sound? ik i’m asking three years later lol but most times when horses dislike going into a trot or anything over that, there’s something wrong where it’s not comfortable for him.
@@v9311 3 years later, he's almost 19 and does short trail rides now. He had arthritis which we knew and we hadn't ridden him super often in a while at the time, so I think he just got a bit lazy. I also didn't have the confidence to work him harder at the time. I started riding a halflinger and it was night and day riding him. He really listens to your subtle leg cues so I had to get used to not giving my leg cues too hard or he'd take off. lol
came here from watching a fair horsemanship video and what a difference in thinking :/
I can get my horse going but it is hard to keep him going and especially when I am jumping him any advice?
I'm not sure how much help this would be 4 years later but the best advice I can think of is trying to figure out when your horse's pace changes. Even if its a very small change immediately apply pressure. I'm not saying to whip your horse as hard as you can, but just remind them with a light tap that they need to keep going. If you take too long to realize they're slowing down, they'll probably break down into trot again. Hope this helps :)
Yes as soon he loses his forwardness, remind him /her the gue again, Consistency is the key you’re not gonna be able to do it just once or twice it may take a half a dozen times 20×30 times until finally you can give him Light gue with the Calf of your leg without reinforcing with the Decyde stick or a spur remember the spur is the last thing you want to use
Im going to have to work with my new mare A LOT. She will take a couple steps forward and stop!
beautiful horse!
here in Montana we always say I rather have a horse thats a little lazy....then a little crazy.
By labeling the horse as 'lazy', that means one is blaming the horse. It is not the horse. It is the person.
Interesting watch and I like the idea but my horse is so stubborn he doesn’t respond to any of these if he doesn’t feel like it. He will ignore a whip as much as he ignores my leg or voice. Any tips?
Not sure if this information will help 9 months later, but I'll do my best to help :) Usually horses that don't respond to any of your aids (leg, voice, crop/whip) are desensitized which basically means that your horse doesn't take you seriously. My advice would be working with your horse on the ground with a lunge line. Teaching them to listen to voice aids also helps! For example when you're lunging say "trot" and if they don't move, you can simply flick the whip lightly so it makes a small pop sound and they should move forward. Once your horse understands what you are asking from the ground, your horse should respond better when in the saddle. Hope this helps! :)
I got a horse that's super reluctant to go into a trot but I can get him there with some effort. The thing I'm having trouble with is he wont STAY in the trot. I'll get about 30 seconds of trot and then he just refuses to do anything but walk.
That's what my problem is !
+Grace Ganshert same ! and right when I finally get her going into the trot she stops so hard and I fly forward
Move the hips over (that will break the feet loose) and then drive her forward with the stick. Keep doing this every time she stops until you don't need the crop anymore.
Charles Wilhelm please help me because I have a horse and I ride with my friend who my horse is bffs with my friends horse and when we are riding together I try to turn my horse and he doesn't listen and then we put up a massive fight and he still doesn't listen . What should I do ?
hybredmoon SAME that is why I’m watching this😂
Very good, I have a 10 year old who is super sweet. My son rides him but he is lazy and doesn't want to walk foward with me. I will try this technique
I just got a retired trail horse who ignores all cues given to him. He learned this from all of the horrible writer who rode him in the past. I have no idea how to get him going or turn. Most of the he stands doing nothing. Please help!
Bruh my mare is so freaking lazy she didn’t even want to stand up so we were late for her dressage competition so I had to call all of the strong people at my stable to get her standing up and this helped me get her energy up a bit 😇
Edit: my guy friend had to get his stallion to get her to run into the trailer LOL
She a real mare to need a stallion to run into the trailer😂
This video done 6 years ago and I hit the thumbs up and made it 666 thumbs up. Wow... Lol
Where exactly did you touch him with the stick? It looks like the flank is where the stick is… but that can get a little sketchy. Maybe not for a lazy horse… but I’m bummed you were going to show us what to do and then did it when the camera was on the other side
Hi, so I need some tips on how to get your lazy horse to turn in the cutting cow?
The horse that I ride has no response to my crop, any tips?
If possible, perhaps you can ask your trainer if you can lunge the horse you ride. The mare that I constantly rode for lessons showed no response to my aids but once I started lunging her on the ground, she quickly learned that she needed to listen to my aids and my whip. Hope this helps you :)
I have an Appaloosa gelding who will willingly trot for as long as you ask. if you ask for a canter he gets frustrated and gives me a fast choppy trot or canters a few strides and bucks. any advice?
+ItsAnAppaloosaThing
This is late, but you can probably still apply this advice? Make sure your aids are crystal clear. Outside leg behind the girth, drop your weight into your outside hip, and push with your inside hip. Make sure your weight isn't going forward (don't pump with your upper body, don't lean forward in the saddle), and that your hands are quiet. You can maintain plenty of contact, just make sure your arms and fingers aren't tensed when asking for the canter, or your horse will be confused
Your horse may also need a lap of cantering without you on his back. I ride English, so I'm not sure how this could be applied to western if you ride western, but I ride a gelding who has a bit of a tight back. I go into half-seat and let him canter for a little while with me off his back before sitting, and he's much better behaved.
If your gelding has stamina to carry you in a canter, your aids are clear, and his back is properly warmed up, but he's still throwing bucks, take a crop with you into the ring. When he bucks, slap his butt and turn him in a really tight circle. You should be thinking nose to tail until he turns three times, then circle the other way three times. Continue on as you were, and ask for the canter again. If he still bucks, do the circles again before asking him to move off your leg to continue. After two or three times of this, he's going to be fed up with circling and he should behave better. The crop is to give him a firm "no", and it isn't _necessary_, but it will help. Good luck!
What should you do when:
1- Horse doesn't give you any more when you ask for it
2- Horse decides additional aides means you should stop and stand (bad attititude)
i love horses
if there's one available, can you show a video on how to deal with a hot headed horse? my friend is at a wall with hers. every single ride is like they're entering a race. all vetting and chiro work aside
This horse IS forward my horse is nothing like this.
Wizzhorse ikr! That was not a lazy horse he barely touched him with his spur and he loaped!
How would you deal with a colt on the ground that is herd bound, and completely out of tune with your presence? I have a colt that I've tried moving around the round pen (first using my indirect feel/ energy ) and when that doesn't work I wave my rope behind the hindquarters and cluck. Nothing seems to make this horse want to move at all. He'd rather sniff the ground, whinny to his friends paddock, and completely ignore me. When on the halter, he will frequently rear, strike, and try and run me over. I've never had a colt this bad and with this much disrespect to start, so any suggestions would be lovely. I will also add, I've also tried untracking, backing, moving from pressure on the ground and he is extremely dull. I've worked with him about 6 times so far, and no progress. Help?
This is not an unusual problem. We work with horses like this all the time.
If you are going to speak the language of horse, you must learn and really understand pressure and release. You need to use the least amount of pressure but as much as is needed to get the job done. Most people are comfortable with "least amount needed" but not with "as much as needed". You need to increase the pressure as much as needed until you get the feet to move (either in disengaging or asking the horse to move forward). What it sounds like is happening is that the horse is challenging you, and you are not comfortable in following through with enough pressure.. If you do not feel comfortable in using the amount of pressure to follow through, you many need to find someone to help you, to get the horse's feet to "break loose". Once you have established a good forward cue, then you can work on finesse. I believe this will solve the majority of the problems you are having.
My 3 1/2 yr old walking horse,is refusing to cooperate in the round pen ,did great with the trainer,and when I was there ,now he could care less,at first he had an attitude,but now extremely dull,
I have a 4 year old horse that dosent like to go forward at all we can hardly get him to walk we have tried dressage whips and also the leg we have now gave him a break and were just lunging him and longraning him out do the lane do you have any suggestions plase it would really help
thanks katie :)
Sounds like you are not following through until you get a response.
And know that you may get some adverse reactions when you do "ask the horse to go forward", like kicking out at your leg, or bucking.
Ask first, then follow through, and follow through until you get a significant improvement, even going into a trot, that is a significant improvement.
If you are not comfortable or able to do it consistently (over a period of time, to replace the bad habit with a good habit) then you should seek help from a professional who understands how to get a horse forward and has the skill to do it.
I have had these kind of horses here in training, and it is because everyone quits too soon on them and they just learn to tolerate it. You may check with your vet and chiropractor as well to verify that there is nothing medical that could be a cause for the problem.
Otherwise, keep at it. Usually the case is that you think you are following through enough but you really aren't.
I ride a paint gelding that is refusing to move a lot of the time, both under saddle and on a lead rope. He was doing well for a while, and now he is worse than when I started working with him. He doesn't respond well to my legs or a crop. I only see him once a week or less because he isn't mine, and I don't know what to do. Any advice?
+Music: Soul of Humanity Check out some of Charles' other videos on youtube, but a lot of what you are going to do with the horse is going to depend on how confident you are. This is not uncommon behavior and the reason is that the horse does not go forward. First of all, is it medically/chiropractically sound, secondly, dont get in the saddle until you can get the horse forward on the ground. Then consider that the horse does not know how to canter or at least know how to do it well. Work first on the ground lunging or in the round pen and get it comfortable before you get in the saddle. The horse needs to be comfortable in all 3 gaits on the ground, If you are not comfortable doing what needs to be done, I would suggest getting professional help.
+Charles Wilhelm I've watched several of the videos. I am confident with him, and he has just recently been checked out by the vet, and had his teeth, and hooves done. Whether or not he will move on the ground really depends on the day, but when he will, he listens perfectly until I ride him; then he will just turn his head when I attempt to turn him to get him going. I am not trying to canter him, only walk and trot. I don't have any way to lunge him or in a round pen unfortunately, and I have to work in a small area until our arena is completed. I'm not sure what to do in the meantime though, besides of course getting him to walk and trot on the lead like you said. I want to ask though, do you think his bit could have anything to do with it? Thanks ahead of time for what you already said and anything else you add.
I have two mares and one is very forward and the other is very slow. When we ride together Wave (the forward mare) won't stay behind with Jonquille (the slower mare) for very long. I will ask her to slow her gait down or stop and wait but as soon as Jonquille catches up she falls behind again.
Jonquille gives me attitude when she is asked to go any faster than a walk (even on the lunge line). What can we do to help both the mares stay together on the trail?
+Barbora Ratcliff Sounds like there are 2-3 issues between the 2 horses. For the slower mare you need to be willing to work through the laziness or lack of forwardness until she can walk/trot and carnter on the lunge line in both directions without giving you the "ugly" look or attitude. You can also work on it in the round pen, until the horse is consistent in all gaits with out you having to nag her. She needs to be able to go forward, period. Ask, assist and then demand. If you dont feel up to this task you may seek out help from a trainer or more confident person. This will help out a little on the trail but it also sounds like the other horse is buddy or barn sour. Check out Charles' other viedo on buddy sour horses and how to work through that. ua-cam.com/video/LhxLaKeQQ_UT/v-deo.htmlhese are both things that people often give up on and settle for, it is going to take work and persevernce on your part to work through it.
I have a gelding who is extremely lazy! I can use heaps of force and sometimes he will move but most of the time he won't. I had him working good then he went on a spell, I am at the stage of asking for a roll back but there's no energy. How do I get energy?
Sarah
Sounds like you are following through, just not being consistent.
And know that you may get some adverse reactions when you do "ask the horse to go forward", like kicking out at your leg, or bucking.
Ask first, then follow through, and follow through until you get a significant improvement, even going into a trot, that is a significant improvement.
If you are not comfortable or able to do it consistently (over a period of time, to replace the bad habit with a good habit) then you should seek help from a professional who understands how to get a horse forward and has the skill to do it.
Get the forward motion before you ask for the rollback. If your horse can't stop, roll, and lope off with more than a kiss or heel touch, teach that lope departure first. Without forward motion, your rollback will stall.
I have a very lazy horse she is a mare and when I get her to the gallop she likes to buck. Is there anything I can do to stop her from bucking when I get her in a gallop.
Kaley Smith Horses that buck at the canter or even trot are expressing attitude. Basically, they are saying. " you make me go forward and 'I'm going to buck you off".Do you lunge the horse or round pen it and does it canter quietly? does it canter consistently with a good attitude? If it cant do it quietly on the lunge line, he wont be able to do it quietly under saddle.The other thing you need to do is to develop a good forward cue. Ask or squeeze with the leg to ask the horse to go forward, insist, tip the spur, and if he doesn't move forward demand, follow through with the dressage stick or the end of your reins.This way you are giving the horse fair warning but still following through.But make sure you can first lunge or round pen the horse quietly at the canter before you do it in the saddle.This will take away a lot of the attitude. Hope that helps.
Thanks so much I will try lunging her this week. This helped alot!
I have a stubborn pony who likes to try to buck and bite my feet when I don't let her eat or try to get her to move under saddle what should I do
Madie Goodman Hi, Madie. I know this response came well after the question was posted, but here's my thoughts on it. You probably need to go back to the basics with your horse. Establish respect with her from the ground by getting her to move her feet. For example, working her in a roundpen to establish your authority from a safe distance; then working on lunging and being able to disengage all core body parts. Establishing respect and learning how to communicate queues from the ground translates well into the saddle. There are many trainers on UA-cam where you can find valuable information on ground work basics such as Clinton Anderson, Warwick Schiller, and others. Hope this helps!
I tried a whip and Spurs but my mare still refuses to run
my horse wouldnt even blink. sadly he is able to ignore you. he doesnt fight its like he is masochist he just takes it. and he knows what i want
Just out of curiosity, due to the fact that I'm not too familiar with western style tack or western anything for that matter, what type of bridle is he using cause it doesn't seem like it has a bit? Is it similar to a hackmore where pressure is applied to the bridge of the nose?
Yes, this horse is in a hackamore.
cwtraining Thank you :)
Kulta this is NOT a hackamore, this is a bosal. much like a hackamore but serve completely different purpose.
He is using a bosal, which is great. Anything bitless is better than a bit.
It’s called a bit less bridal yes that is how it works
When I got my horse the owner said he is stubborn and lazy. He took the saddle so easily but he was having a little trouble with the bit and he would not go forward like I said. The owner also said the horse has not been ridden for 2 years. He dose not kick or buck nothing like that he’s just stubborn.
It is interesting that this horse is blowing hard at the beginning of the video. So, a helpful tip is to throughly warm up your horse and then practice. My large boned horse requires twenty minutes of slow warm before we get these results. And he is exactly a slow and lazy horse. So, a bit of gimmicky here. Warm your slow horse up slowly, and then ask for response. I find this approach works best. Good luck. Ask light, ask firm, tell, ask light does work.
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I use for barrel racing but when he gallops I KNOW he can go way faster so I kick him but he dosent go any faster would you recommend spirs if I be gentle with him?
Everything In Your Video Was Good Advice But You Need To Put You Feet Back Because you are Supposed To Be Inline ( Shoulder, Elbow, Heels ) Good Arena Equitation To Be Shoulders, Elbow, Heels .
my horse doesn't want to work at home but when we take her out then she does but i want her to work at home please help
I have no issue getting my horse to walk and trot (unless I'm not using spurs, then it's a battle), but I can't get him to go from the trot to the canter. If he does decide to canter, he gets upset over it and either:
1. Starts to buck
2. Breaks into a gallop
3. Refuses to stay on the rail and goes where he wants despite my signals.
What should I do about this?
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Humna Imtiaz huh
So does my horse!!!
I'd do ground work him to get some respect and keep both of you safe. From the ground using a flag or a stick and string or whip get him to move into canter with a kiss and you bring up your engird a bit. (you start asking small). If that doesn't work use a kiss and wave the flag at your side (see if one wave works if not wave flag at your side in a rhythmic motion. a few times). If that doesn't work kiss and then give him a tap on the rump. If he bucks or rushes off get him to turn and send him off the other way. If you are not handy at ground work it will worth your while to get good at it as this will help you greatly to work out these types of issues.
If he starts reacting and not thinking, circle him, give him a job and something to focus on
I just call Paul Willauex over at Lazy Horse Matress and Bedding.
Gosh every sport is different. I guess when you see my canter you must consider it awful and I myself don’t like this one that much. But hey, that’s why they’re different disciplines. There’s not one better than the other, just different.
My horse is absolutely not lazy or quiet.
Solution, sell lazy horse and buy a very forward horse that I would be far happier with. (The one I have is a perfect example of a very forward horse)
Are you tapping the shoulder???
My horse is ONLY lazy in the school she is naughty and jumps over the ropes (which are there to try to stop the horse getting out)
I can kick and kick, all he does if flinch under my heel. I tried spurs same thing. Yes, once or twice he would kick at my spur. I usually smack him on both sides with my reins which makes him jump, try to buck than walk of sometimes trot. I've had him for 4 years now. I have tried many methods.
I have had these kind of horses here in training, and it is because everyone quits too soon on them and they just learn to tolerate it. You may try a dressage stick because it sounds like he has become dull to the leg. You may check with your vet and chiropractor as well to verify that there is nothing medical that could be a cause for the problem.
Otherwise, keep at it. Usually the case is that you think you are following through enough but you really aren't.
I have you all beat I have a 5 year old stud quarter horse and he is lazy and I mean lazy he won't lunge move forward with me on his back I'm at my wits end with him but I haven't gave up yet
I don't have a horse but the horse I ride is fine with trotting, but she doesn't want to lope! I kick her as hard as I can after doing it softly, but she still won't listen! Please help me i really want to lope on her! She's not my horse
Ssolover 101 Kicking hard isn't the answer. You need to learn how to use your seat correctly and body position. Roll your hips in a lope pattern and use your vocal cues. When you kick you actually slow the horse down. Of course a bit of a little kick is ok but big kicks will only counter what you are trying to do. Make sure the horse had plenty of rein and it's very loose. If you have more questions just ask 😊
Personally I don't want my horse breaking into a lope off of a simple cluck, why not just a trot? Once he starts to move in a trot I either cluck again or add some leg pressure. If I need to take off at a gallop it's going to be cued from leg pressure, body language and spur if needed. Just my thought's and everyone has their opinion.
Thanks for input, a que has to be establish. The spur is reinforcement of the que you want. Most horses are dulled down. I would lest 85 per cent. I would be happy if it went in fast trot, where I can feel the horse come though from his rear. A lazy horse is on front end.
Going in to lope/ canter is Result of not going to brisk trot/ has to have energy.
From there you can teach the all 3 gates , including nice forward walk
My horse is fast I just wish it was faster it definitely has energy tho but I want it faster bc I wanna win races between my sister bc we like to race on are driveway to the farm ( long gravel road )
My hlrse literally understands like English he listens to whatever you say
I have a 12 year old gray mare that is lazy. I can get her to trot but there is little energy and I have to constantly use my leg to her going..and it is difficult to get her to canter, and she will not keep going..I don't want her to get dull to my leg
Also, she is spooky
+Jylian Buchert Sounds like you are not following through until you get a signifcatn response.
And know that you may get some adverse reactions when you do "ask the horse to go forward", like kicking out at your leg, or bucking.
Ask first, then follow through, and follow through until you get a significant improvement. If you are not comfortable or able to do it consistently (over a period of time, to replace the bad habit with a good habit) then you should seek help from a professional who understands how to get a horse forward and has the skill to do it.
I have had these kind of horses here in training, and it is because everyone quits too soon on them and they just learn to tolerate it. You may check with your vet and chiropractor as well to verify that there is nothing medical that could be a cause for the problem.
Otherwise, keep at it. Usually the case is that you think you are following through enough but you really aren't.
The horse is not lazy at all! Why doesn't he use a horse that really doesn't want to move forward? That would be more beneficial to the viewer who has logged in to find out how to put energy into a lazy horse!!!
Ok u call that a lazy horse?
Spurs are disgusting... I don't care what you say, it's painful for the horse and is only gonna turn a horse into a cautious, fragile, SUPER sensitive, and spooky horse. In my opinion, The only reason Spurs should EVER be used is style, not abuse
but I don't spurs...
Yay my horse won’t even work
Oh my. Same old, same old. Spurs and whip.
I MEANT I DONT THINK YOU NEED SPURS
Horse is not dull at all .
How many horses have you ridden through your life ?
Stop spreading disinformation.
You must not have been really watching. he said some horses get dull, not horses are dull. lordy
dont ever use spurs
Mad Dog spurs are an extension of the foot, they are actually extremely helpful if you need a little more.
You shouldn't need a extension of the foot. When you use the spurs you're probably using them to hurt the horse. A experienced rider usually uses their legs or their whole body, for an example arms, legs or even the toes to move the horse. They don't use their feet. They won't move their feet back to touch the horse. (Or in simplified terms: they don't "kick" their horses in the stomach.)
Cloudia Plays when getting your horse to move laterally you’re going to need to use your feet and not just your legs. For someone who has longer legs (like me) it comes in handy to have some sort of extension. Light tapping and sometimes constant but light pressure lets the horse know what way they need to move.
Apparently you don’t know that some horses are more let’s say “thicker skinned” some horses do need more of the pressure that spurs will provide. I agree some people don’t know how to use the spurs the way their not supposed to be used. We have spurs though for an easier aid.
Not only are they an extension of your leg but touching with a spur can save your knees when you are an older rider. Just because you wear spurs doesn't mean you use spurs and when you use them, it is a touch not a jab. Spurs are pretty dull, the are not pointy and sharp like spikes or anything. Frustrating when people don't understand what spurs are and how they should be used.
Terrible example
I DON'T THINK YOU NEEE SPURS TO GET ANY HORSE MOVING FORWARD , GIVING THE HORSE PROPER TRAINING YOU CAN DO ALL THIS AND MUCH MORE WITHOUT THE USE OF SPURS . FOR ME THIS IS CRULE TO THE HORSE HAVING SOMETHING SHARP STUCK IN YOUR RIBS.