Wish we'd stop having endless debates on this just give a 1 game ban and a fine for obvious dives where players try to decieve refs and lead to penalties end of discussion its simple
This has already happened. Oumar Niasse received a ban for "deceiving match officials" years ago and there's not been a single punishment since, despite the fact that Niasse in that incident had more contact than a lot of penalties these days. No prizes for guessing who Niasse was playing for at that time, just like Calvert Lewin's nonsense decision the other day.
@@baggzio97 The last player to get a retrospective 3 match ban for diving was Manuel Lanzini while playing for West Ham. No player has been banned since, though I reckon there could be several hundred if it was taken seriously. Players like Bruno would be lucky to get one game per month at the current dive rate.... While we're here, can we please put hands up for the game to be stopped and started on the refs whistle, a la every code of sport bar football...it's 2024 for goodness sakes...
The fact is that contact, even if minimal, knocks you off your stride and denies or minimises your chances of scoring. The problem is that a player has to go down, if they want the penalty and also refs have different perceptions as to what constitutes minimal/acceptable contact and also are not consistent in their application thereof (even within the same game). It is the same with holding/hugging/impeding an opposition player. Where do you draw the line. Simple solutions are no hands on or arms around opposition player, no player excepting captain may engage or question ref, if player goes down, he should immediately leave field for a HIA.
@@LordHighness Please send me a link to that interview. If that’s the case, fair enough. But that still doesn’t negate what I said about the other two AND it doesn’t negate what I originally said. So why don’t you do me a favor and rub your two IQ point together, try and get a spark and think about what I originally wrote as it pertains to football on a much wider so text. Unless of course you’re fine with players diving and cheating
@@MCFCTheMadHatterdubravka did not say that. He is misquoting him and lieing. Dubravka said he did not agree, but it was given as a penalty so no point arguing.
@@LordHighness If you are taken down, you wouldn't be able to take two more steps, fully upright, as Jota did. He doesn't even look like falling until he lets his legs give way.
The Premier League and the Media have always promoted plucky little Man U taking on the Goliath that is Liverpool "the most competitive league in the world"
Stop encouraging diving and cheating? No one encourages it more than Adrian Durham, Henry Winter, Gary Lineker etc. When Kane takes a tumble in an England shirt Vs Malta, its 'clever centre forward play'. Nah lads, he's a diver and one of the most notorious. Its easy to pick on the foreign lads, not so much Englands golden boy though...
But contact doesn’t necessarily mean a foul and if the contact is not sufficient for them to fall over, they shouldn’t do that, but if here is a significant impediment and they stay on their feet the referee should see that and award the penalty.
And this is why i was dissapointed with all the Liverpool fans celebrating Jota cheating. We need to kick diving out the game. Jota, Sterling, Saka, Fernandez they are nothing more than cheats
@LordHighness dubravka did not say that. Dubravka said there was contact but he pulled away and it he did not agree it was a foul, but the ref gave it so there is no point diving. Learn to read properly and understand the English language ffs. Jota is nothing but a cheat and people like you should not be defending or making excuses for cheats. It's shameful. He is a dirty diving cheat, he is that player 100% and the whole world watched it. Stop supporting cheats it's embarsssing reading stuff like this. Do you not have any shame at all
This is just a witch hunt now. Saka and Jota are always doing never gets mentioned but then it doesn’t fit the narrative. Dalot gets 2 yellows in quick succession and Nunez gets nothing not even a mention. Living in these divs heads rent free 😂
True to an extent because United are a bit of a s**t show lately, but have you forgotten about Diaz's goal against Tottenham? Where we could see on the tele he was way onside, no line shown, just goal disallowed, free kick Tottenham. We had 2 players sent off in that game (and a few red cards this season) What was it, communication error they said? The goal could have made a hell of difference in that game.@@mister3566
I get exactly what Danny and the caller were talking about. The in-the-moment celebration is instinctive and instantaneous but there is now a realisation that it was be checked automatically and potentially ruled out. To be fair, there was always that risk pre-VAR but I'd suggest nowhere near as much...
If you remember when Klinsmann first came to Spurs, he 'dived' and got hammered for it, in the media and on the likes of MOTD, with comments along the lines of 'we dont want that in our game' - very categorical in naming and shaming it across all borders. Now, media, pundits, etc get into the intricacies of 'oh there was some contact...there' (after slowing cameras down etc). The vast majority of games nowadays, the player falls over/grabs the ball on the floor, free-kick is given, which is always frustrating to watch. Then there are games where refs, let them challenges go and 99/100 the pundits will praise the ref for it. However next game same ref/different ref, just blows at every slight challenge. I think it comes down to players being hammered for going down lightly, no debate, just hammer them for it and dish out consequences, likewise refs need to not let them get away with it, by blowing the whistle every time, they 'fall over.'
Did that happen? When did Klinsmann dive and get hammered on motd? Klinsmann was regarded as a diver before he came to England, particularly for some world cup theatrics, he was asked about it at his unveiling press conference. He scored the 4th on his debut at wednesday and did a theatrical dive in celebration He was player of the month for August (his first month in England) He was football writers player of the year that season
@@basement_block_head4880 as I suspected, just some random person who just wants to argue with people on the internet. It may be worth taking up a hobby, going outside, journaling, you'll feel better for it mate.
@LordHighness because its not a fact. You are misquoting him and lieing to suit your biased narrative. Stop embarssing yourself, it's shameful supporting cheaters. He said he didn't agree but it was given as a penalty, is English difficult for you 😅
VAR shouldn't be allowed slow motion, unless it's for something that needs to be measured like offside. Play the video at the speed it happens and then decide
If i was a player, itd take a bone crunching tackle to the fibia to take me down. If i fell over it would be because i literally couldn't stay up. Fans would love and respect me as a result (provided i was a good player) Not hard.
Jeff in TalkSport said Bruno’s penalty was a smart play. Simon and Danny say was a dive.. it depends how you take it or maybe which team you support… endless argument!
There is very little comment on the defenders actions in these cases. The amount of dumb defending astonishes me, in each of the cases talked about the defender has left a leg in, it's lazy defending. It's the old saying of "don't give the ref a reason to make a decision".
I remember when we (Forest) had Anthony Knockaert play for us who was the exact same. We only had him for a year (it may have even been half a year) but it was so frustrating seeing some of the stuff you saw on the pitch and I could never bring myself to defend him.
Yeah now comment on how disgusting odegaard behaviour was, threw as much hands and dissent at referees, moaned and dived but apparently only bruno does that 😂😂. Odegaard should have been sent off 4 times by dalot standard
Retrospective bans. It's so simple if it's clear that the player has dived.... please also include when a players clutches their face as if they have had acid thrown in it.
Been saying this for sometime. In fact, I actually thought VAR would come in and correct this. But how can it be right that a player is nowhere close to a goalscoring position, have a defender brush their leg/arm etc, fall down and then get a great goal-scoring chance from it?
Do you think we need a new rule? Indirect free kick or something for stuff like the accidental handballs we are seeing now as I think a penalty doesnt fit the crime and its a poor way to decide these big clashes
Reference the non british players bringing diving to the English game, to get an unfair advantage. I remember back in the 60/70's ENGLISH players like Francis Lee diving to get pens and people sent off. So this is a natural trait by individual's and not by what country they do or do not come from. COYI
Joelinton's push on Gabriel Magalhaes was not called by VAR stating they could not conclude the contact was enough to cause Gabriel to go down. Yet, VAR could not look at the 1mm of thread touched on Bruno going down and tell the ref there was not enough contact there? All we want is consistency FFS!
why not same energy for Jota? If theres enough contact and the reff buys it of course players are going down, and if it’s unjustified but given that’s more of a reflection of poor officiating.
Jota was a pen, Fernandez was a pen, you made contact don't matter how much contact you make. you made a play for the ball, and you got the player, you guys are clowns..
Penalties are so cheap these days, it's a joke! The slightest contact and players go down.....that's diving! Referees should wave play on and yellow card players for this nonsense!
The saying used to be. It's a foul in the middle of the pitch. But not enough for a pen. Now we have, it's a pen, but not a foul in the middle of the pitch 🤦🏻♂️
@@eXpressYourselfClips The trouble being is officials by and large haven't played the game so don't understand the physics of different tackles. Also any time it is a dive- Ban players
Jota actually posted on his social media laughing about it after diving against Newcastle.. Not only do they not see that they are cheating themselves and the fans of both teams. But they aren't even embarrassed by themselves and that's actually crazy to try and understand. It's ingrained into them at this point and it needs removing like a parasite would. Instant red card for an obvious dive is what is needed. See how funny they think it is then when they're sheepishly walking off on front of their own fans as the opposing fans all laugh in their cheating face.
@@LordHighness since when did Martin dubravka become the voice of reason for deciding if somethings a penalty or not? Last I checked he was a goalkeeper, not a referee
@LordHighness dubravka did not say that you lier. Stop misquoting him and making stuff up. Stop supporting cheaters, have some shame fs. How embarsssing
@@LordHighness After the match when asked why he dived Jota said "at LFC we are coached in the dark arts to gain any advantage we can, it`s the Liverpool way" Maybe you missed that bit or maybe you didn`t but it`s there if you want to see it
Change whatever you want, like every season after about ten games the things you were given a card for will stop, things like kicking the ball away etc..
THANK GOD !!! Someone actually turned on !!! I said exactly this in a post on the jota dive . Shearer and co losing their minds but yet are happy to call others “clever” Pundits constantly call soft decisions !! Do they not get that fans AND players listen and watch these shows ? They need to understand they are normalising it , players should be being dragged through the mud and yet a lot of the time they are being praised . They don’t believe they are doing anything wrong … they think they are being clever!! So why would they change ?
Totally agree with them. Send them off. The only problem i can see then would be the fact it is still subjective. So players might look like they're diving when they really aren't and vice versa.
Rubbish, my nan would’ve stayed on her feet after that contact. Fannydez jumps in the air like he’s been shot, the tackle brushed his toe. It’s embarrassing end of, every camera caught it - it gets worse and worse. Remember when players were taught not to let the opposition know you’re hurt. Absolute fannies these days
Blatant diving (i.e. where replays show there is no contact at all) should be cited afterwards with a substantial ban or financial penalty. This would soon bring a stop to this unsavoury practice.
Every single player knows that if they brush against the oppositions foot that the incompetent clowns that run Var are gonna take 5 mins slowing it down so it looks like he nearly dismembered their opponents leg. Take Var away from the game. Or Talksport might as well change its name to TalkVar
All games should be looked at by players from the 70s 80s and 90s, a 10 panel team, with a tech setting up all the dives or possible dives/play acting, so they can do it fast. Then when any player gets three dives/over acting, even if he's been "TOUCHED" then he gets a two game ban. Watch diving STOP !! Even if you get fouled and you flop down like you are dead, that should be a card. So, lets look at Pens like this, if getting your damned foot touched in the Pen box is an Auto foul, how in the hell can a game ever be played, how many FOOT TOUCHES happen in the field of play and no foul is called? Probably a 100 a game, lol. Its absurd to call a Pen every time a foot gets touched and a wussie grown man throws himself down lie a cheating coward. PASS OUT CARDS, suspend these cheaters, END FLOPPING.
The fernandes one was bad but that diogo jota penalty was absolutely disgraceful. can you imagine Ronaldo Nazario going down like that? a whole second after he got slightly touched? Especially with an open goal?? lol! What a fckin shameless diving piece of cheat.
Alex Ferguson started this when he claimed any touch on Ronaldo caused him to go down because he was fast. So, contact against a player going past a defender was a penalty. Ever since then the football world, including pundits, adjusted their thinking.
Bar doesn’t need to move it just needs to be properly enforced. That also means giving penalties and and fouls when players try to fight through contact.
I was at Gillingham v Sheffield United Saturday and the first goal they scored there supporters didn’t celebrate for approx 5-10 seconds as if they was waiting for var wasn’t till the team was celebrating at the corner flag there supporters reacted was bizarre
I don't get this penalty argument, you feel contact; you go down, you dive you get a card, very simple. It's up to that player to stay on their foot if they feel contact. because they do the same thing outside the box too.
Same thing happened with jota a few weeks ago. Nothing said, Bruno does it, several segments on talksport dedicated to it 😂. But of course, talksport is a neutral show as we all know….
Liverpool have received the fair play award many times since Klopp has come in.Nobody notices though. The man doesn't even like running down the clock.
Good show. I don't often say this. Yes Jota and Diaz went down easy, however, there are penalties when players stay on their feet in Salah and don't get anything. Virgil shirt was being pulled in the box when the corner was taken and gues what, nothing
Diving against league one Wigan, Bruno has no shame at all. Why do refs keep falling for it when it’s so well known what he’s like? Start banning players for blatant cheating
It's really simple. He was fouled. Would the foul realistically make him fall to the ground? No chance. But if he doesn't go down he doesn't get the foul.
@@Hurley76 you’ve just disproven your own point. It’s not enough to go down. The issue is that players are rewarded for this, hence why I questioned why refs contribute to buy his nonsense when everyone knows he’s consistently cheating
@@jackninetynine5036 this guy doesn’t know the rules at all. No contact is needed for a foul. I can take a swing at you and miss and still be sent of for violent conduct. If you slide on late and I have to jump over you and if I slip trying to avoid you, it can be by the letter if the law deemed as impeding me with out either of us touching. So the “not enough to go down” really only applies on an actual challenge with the ball, not a late challenge where you weren’t close to the ball
Even if VAR increases accuracy fractionally, the cost to the game experience for all the viewers far outweighs those marginal improvements. It's no surprise that people are praising the experience of watching the recent cup matches without VAR, even when the refs have made a few errors.
Diving is very easy to see if you have played for over 40 years which I have does not have to be at the top level just a decent level .putting your legs into a defender is rife now and other variaties of dives .
So what is the rule for being late and hitting an opponents foot, While they have played past the opponent? Oh it’s a foul because you can’t just kick people no matter the force. The ball isn’t there and you kick a foot. Which impedes the attackers ability. That is a foul. Danny claiming force and what not only apply to the result(foul, caution, sending off)
Wish we'd stop having endless debates on this just give a 1 game ban and a fine for obvious dives where players try to decieve refs and lead to penalties end of discussion its simple
This has already happened. Oumar Niasse received a ban for "deceiving match officials" years ago and there's not been a single punishment since, despite the fact that Niasse in that incident had more contact than a lot of penalties these days. No prizes for guessing who Niasse was playing for at that time, just like Calvert Lewin's nonsense decision the other day.
@@baggzio97 The last player to get a retrospective 3 match ban for diving was Manuel Lanzini while playing for West Ham. No player has been banned since, though I reckon there could be several hundred if it was taken seriously. Players like Bruno would be lucky to get one game per month at the current dive rate....
While we're here, can we please put hands up for the game to be stopped and started on the refs whistle, a la every code of sport bar football...it's 2024 for goodness sakes...
The yellow for VVD last night against Fulham was a joke
The fact is that contact, even if minimal, knocks you off your stride and denies or minimises your chances of scoring. The problem is that a player has to go down, if they want the penalty and also refs have different perceptions as to what constitutes minimal/acceptable contact and also are not consistent in their application thereof (even within the same game).
It is the same with holding/hugging/impeding an opposition player. Where do you draw the line. Simple solutions are no hands on or arms around opposition player, no player excepting captain may engage or question ref, if player goes down, he should immediately leave field for a HIA.
@@jkmb5758 So in your opinion Football isn't a contact sport? Maybe you should go watch volleyball
Red card for simulation/diving would solve a lot of problems discussed here
How would it? He was given a penalty.
@@atverde Bc it was a blatant simulation. Same with Jota, same with Schar from NU
@@LordHighness Please send me a link to that interview. If that’s the case, fair enough. But that still doesn’t negate what I said about the other two AND it doesn’t negate what I originally said. So why don’t you do me a favor and rub your two IQ point together, try and get a spark and think about what I originally wrote as it pertains to football on a much wider so text. Unless of course you’re fine with players diving and cheating
@@MCFCTheMadHatterdubravka did not say that. He is misquoting him and lieing. Dubravka said he did not agree, but it was given as a penalty so no point arguing.
@@LordHighness If you are taken down, you wouldn't be able to take two more steps, fully upright, as Jota did. He doesn't even look like falling until he lets his legs give way.
I'm a united fan but diving and simulation as well as VAR is killing the game.
Nah VAR is good
30 years too late mate
Its common knowledge amongst pundits to have a differing of opinion when it comes to united. Its actually blatant bias at this point.
The Premier League and the Media have always promoted plucky little Man U taking on the Goliath that is Liverpool
"the most competitive league in the world"
Stop making this conversation tribal
Stop making this conversation tribal
Stop encouraging diving and cheating? No one encourages it more than Adrian Durham, Henry Winter, Gary Lineker etc. When Kane takes a tumble in an England shirt Vs Malta, its 'clever centre forward play'. Nah lads, he's a diver and one of the most notorious.
Its easy to pick on the foreign lads, not so much Englands golden boy though...
I've seen cases where contact is made and because the players don't fall over its not given..so you can't solely blame the players
But contact doesn’t necessarily mean a foul and if the contact is not sufficient for them to fall over, they shouldn’t do that, but if here is a significant impediment and they stay on their feet the referee should see that and award the penalty.
Where was this energy when Jota dived recently?
EXACTLY where was the 20 minute video then?? Joke
Alternately, a player gets fouled stays on his feet, no foul is called, and the narative is..."he should have gone down"
@@LordHighnessLiar, he said nothing of the sort
And this is why i was dissapointed with all the Liverpool fans celebrating Jota cheating. We need to kick diving out the game. Jota, Sterling, Saka, Fernandez they are nothing more than cheats
@LordHighness dubravka did not say that. Dubravka said there was contact but he pulled away and it he did not agree it was a foul, but the ref gave it so there is no point diving. Learn to read properly and understand the English language ffs. Jota is nothing but a cheat and people like you should not be defending or making excuses for cheats. It's shameful. He is a dirty diving cheat, he is that player 100% and the whole world watched it. Stop supporting cheats it's embarsssing reading stuff like this. Do you not have any shame at all
@@LordHighnessStop making things up, he dived and is a cheat
This is just a witch hunt now.
Saka and Jota are always doing never gets mentioned but then it doesn’t fit the narrative.
Dalot gets 2 yellows in quick succession and Nunez gets nothing not even a mention.
Living in these divs heads rent free 😂
Spot on.
Saka gets kicked to f**k every game, multiple times from the same player! No card given! He's gonna get hurt sometime!
Because it's United the whole world wants to read about it. LiVARpool and VARsenal no one's bothered about
@@Nutsarooba Saka is dirty player, he doesnt even got a card for multiple fouls in Liverpool game.
True to an extent because United are a bit of a s**t show lately, but have you forgotten about Diaz's goal against Tottenham? Where we could see on the tele he was way onside, no line shown, just goal disallowed, free kick Tottenham. We had 2 players sent off in that game (and a few red cards this season) What was it, communication error they said? The goal could have made a hell of difference in that game.@@mister3566
I get exactly what Danny and the caller were talking about. The in-the-moment celebration is instinctive and instantaneous but there is now a realisation that it was be checked automatically and potentially ruled out. To be fair, there was always that risk pre-VAR but I'd suggest nowhere near as much...
Things have gotten worse since Howard Webb’s appointment for sure!
Danny Murphy is bang on. I agree with him on a lot.
You should admit yourself to a hospital
@@unknownname1941 why because he doesnt advocate players going down easily? Ok
If you remember when Klinsmann first came to Spurs, he 'dived' and got hammered for it, in the media and on the likes of MOTD, with comments along the lines of 'we dont want that in our game' - very categorical in naming and shaming it across all borders. Now, media, pundits, etc get into the intricacies of 'oh there was some contact...there' (after slowing cameras down etc). The vast majority of games nowadays, the player falls over/grabs the ball on the floor, free-kick is given, which is always frustrating to watch. Then there are games where refs, let them challenges go and 99/100 the pundits will praise the ref for it. However next game same ref/different ref, just blows at every slight challenge. I think it comes down to players being hammered for going down lightly, no debate, just hammer them for it and dish out consequences, likewise refs need to not let them get away with it, by blowing the whistle every time, they 'fall over.'
Did that happen?
When did Klinsmann dive and get hammered on motd?
Klinsmann was regarded as a diver before he came to England, particularly for some world cup theatrics, he was asked about it at his unveiling press conference.
He scored the 4th on his debut at wednesday and did a theatrical dive in celebration
He was player of the month for August (his first month in England)
He was football writers player of the year that season
@@basement_block_head4880 did you know the sky is blue, grass is green, water is wet?
@@raycruise3540 did you get that from the media or motd? Or is that just how you remember weather
@@basement_block_head4880 as I suspected, just some random person who just wants to argue with people on the internet. It may be worth taking up a hobby, going outside, journaling, you'll feel better for it mate.
Where was this energy for the jota penalty against Newcastle?
They did, there’s a video from 8 days ago with a title ‘Simon Jordan BLASTS Diogo Jota’s penalty…’
Because Liverpool are high an mighty and an honest club apparently, disgrace
Sports bar and J and W covered both players dives. Keep up,sweetheart.
There was this energy. But Bruno does this over & over again
Do your research before you comment nonsense
Poor behavior in general should be stamped out & Bruno is again the prime example of this, he needs a whole attitude adjustment.
Does Danny forget last week he was sticking up for jota and Diaz 😂😂😂.
@LordHighness because its not a fact. You are misquoting him and lieing to suit your biased narrative. Stop embarssing yourself, it's shameful supporting cheaters. He said he didn't agree but it was given as a penalty, is English difficult for you 😅
Did Murphy mention the likes of Jota, Diaz, Salah etc who play for the biggest beneficiaries of "benefit of doubt" officiating
Are you hard of hearing? 😂
VAR shouldn't be allowed slow motion, unless it's for something that needs to be measured like offside. Play the video at the speed it happens and then decide
I see so much diving every week with no comment. United player does it and its non stop debate.
We keep them all in jobs and it seems there obsession with us is getting worse! The views about other teams must be so low
Instant red only logical option. Theyl stop doing it eventually.
1 of the most blatant penalty I've ever seen
I agree. Jota wasn't touched at all and he dived after 5 seconds.
Was a clear penalty, they have chose the most ridiculous example. They just hate Bruno
Jota done half marathon before he went down
Diving has always been a part of the game, the players of yesteryear were no different than the players of today.
I just watched the Rivaldo dive again...classic
If i was a player, itd take a bone crunching tackle to the fibia to take me down. If i fell over it would be because i literally couldn't stay up. Fans would love and respect me as a result (provided i was a good player) Not hard.
Nonsense, English players does it as well
Jeff in TalkSport said Bruno’s penalty was a smart play. Simon and Danny say was a dive.. it depends how you take it or maybe which team you support… endless argument!
There is very little comment on the defenders actions in these cases. The amount of dumb defending astonishes me, in each of the cases talked about the defender has left a leg in, it's lazy defending. It's the old saying of "don't give the ref a reason to make a decision".
It looks like Fernandes invented diving in football on Monday night.
???
No dive
Bruno is that kind of player that you hate to defend even if you support the club
I remember when we (Forest) had Anthony Knockaert play for us who was the exact same. We only had him for a year (it may have even been half a year) but it was so frustrating seeing some of the stuff you saw on the pitch and I could never bring myself to defend him.
Hes really not, I love him as a united fan
Nonsense. I hate aspects of his game but I love him and I'll defend him all day.
Yeah now comment on how disgusting odegaard behaviour was, threw as much hands and dissent at referees, moaned and dived but apparently only bruno does that 😂😂. Odegaard should have been sent off 4 times by dalot standard
Elliot got booked for it too odegaard gets away with a camera handball and three dissents nothing given there
Nunez tried for 3 yellows in the same game and not even a mention
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Bruno: literally does anything
talkSPORT: BAD PLAYER! BAD CAPTAIN!
Yeah because he’s a diving cheat who moans at everything.
Victim United crying as usual.
They called out Jota the other day. You'd see that if you lot didn't have tears in your eyes all the time.
Maybe if he stops acting like a knob then he won’t get as much hate
Facts
Only these "pundits" are moaning
The stop start nature of VAR has led to more player injuries in my opinion. And the flow of the game is being ruined.
Retrospective bans. It's so simple if it's clear that the player has dived.... please also include when a players clutches their face as if they have had acid thrown in it.
Absolutely correct lads, well said. This is a problem with the players 100%.
Decent enough conversation, would love the same energy for Jota’s dive from gremlin boy Danny
Been saying this for sometime. In fact, I actually thought VAR would come in and correct this. But how can it be right that a player is nowhere close to a goalscoring position, have a defender brush their leg/arm etc, fall down and then get a great goal-scoring chance from it?
Do you think we need a new rule? Indirect free kick or something for stuff like the accidental handballs we are seeing now as I think a penalty doesnt fit the crime and its a poor way to decide these big clashes
Reference the non british players bringing diving to the English game, to get an unfair advantage. I remember back in the 60/70's ENGLISH players like Francis Lee diving to get pens and people sent off. So this is a natural trait by individual's and not by what country they do or do not come from. COYI
Joelinton's push on Gabriel Magalhaes was not called by VAR stating they could not conclude the contact was enough to cause Gabriel to go down. Yet, VAR could not look at the 1mm of thread touched on Bruno going down and tell the ref there was not enough contact there? All we want is consistency FFS!
Howard webb should be sacked we have had the worst referring decisions in his tenure
Fernandez encapsulates everything that's wrong with the today's game and its lightweight players!
why not same energy for Jota? If theres enough contact and the reff buys it of course players are going down, and if it’s unjustified but given that’s more of a reflection of poor officiating.
VAR should only be used for confirming whether or not the ball is over the goal line. That's it.
Jota was a pen, Fernandez was a pen, you made contact don't matter how much contact you make. you made a play for the ball, and you got the player, you guys are clowns..
Penalties are so cheap these days, it's a joke! The slightest contact and players go down.....that's diving! Referees should wave play on and yellow card players for this nonsense!
The saying used to be. It's a foul in the middle of the pitch. But not enough for a pen. Now we have, it's a pen, but not a foul in the middle of the pitch 🤦🏻♂️
DIVERS should be banned for the next game- STAMP IT OUT its cheating
Then wtf is VAR there for? If officials can't tell it's a dive after watching it back but the supporters can football is fucked
3 game ban the least, send a strong message. Bruno should be banned from the club since he's a repeated offender
@@eXpressYourselfClips The trouble being is officials by and large haven't played the game so don't understand the physics of different tackles. Also any time it is a dive- Ban players
Jota actually posted on his social media laughing about it after diving against Newcastle.. Not only do they not see that they are cheating themselves and the fans of both teams. But they aren't even embarrassed by themselves and that's actually crazy to try and understand. It's ingrained into them at this point and it needs removing like a parasite would. Instant red card for an obvious dive is what is needed. See how funny they think it is then when they're sheepishly walking off on front of their own fans as the opposing fans all laugh in their cheating face.
@@LordHighness since when did Martin dubravka become the voice of reason for deciding if somethings a penalty or not? Last I checked he was a goalkeeper, not a referee
@LordHighness dubravka did not say that you lier. Stop misquoting him and making stuff up. Stop supporting cheaters, have some shame fs. How embarsssing
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After the match when asked why he dived Jota said "at LFC we are coached in the dark arts to gain any advantage we can, it`s the Liverpool way"
Maybe you missed that bit or maybe you didn`t but it`s there if you want to see it
Players would rather get a penalty or a free kick than score nowadays, it’s like they get a sense of achievement from fooling the ref
Any diving theatrics from any player within the box...INSTANT Red Card that'll make them think twice....It'll be stamped out in no time!
Bruno Penandes felt a contact, exerturated and dived down to get that penalty
So there was contact yes ? Ok thank you 👍🏻
Jim can't hide how in for the VAR cult he is. It's killed the magic of the game & no matter how much naysaying you do, fans hate it
It’s always happens in the game. You cant try to control it but maybe some issues you can.
VAR the rolling around and screaming and it becoming a virtually a non contact sport has made me lose a lot of love for football
The only thing Howard Webb has done is stopped managers, highlighting the atrocious refereeing in this country. I wouldn’t say that’s a plus point?
You never hear Murphy talking about his Liverpool pals throwing themselves onto the ground to get another penalty in front of his beloved Kop.
The fans are part of the issue too. If your player goes down then it’s an uproar, if the opposition player goes down they ignore it.
Change whatever you want, like every season after about ten games the things you were given a card for will stop, things like kicking the ball away etc..
THANK GOD !!! Someone actually turned on !!!
I said exactly this in a post on the jota dive . Shearer and co losing their minds but yet are happy to call others “clever”
Pundits constantly call soft decisions !!
Do they not get that fans AND players listen and watch these shows ? They need to understand they are normalising it , players should be being dragged through the mud and yet a lot of the time they are being praised .
They don’t believe they are doing anything wrong … they think they are being clever!! So why would they change ?
I absolutely don't cheer when my team score until they kick off again it's sad but true...
Totally agree with them. Send them off. The only problem i can see then would be the fact it is still subjective. So players might look like they're diving when they really aren't and vice versa.
When you are kicked in the shin the pain is horrendous for about 30 secs and then it eases off pretty quickly so it’s not all playacting.
There was contact and he swiped at him. It’s only a problem because it’s United
Rubbish, my nan would’ve stayed on her feet after that contact. Fannydez jumps in the air like he’s been shot, the tackle brushed his toe. It’s embarrassing end of, every camera caught it - it gets worse and worse.
Remember when players were taught not to let the opposition know you’re hurt. Absolute fannies these days
Blatant diving (i.e. where replays show there is no contact at all) should be cited afterwards with a substantial ban or financial penalty. This would soon bring a stop to this unsavoury practice.
Professional fouls should be a red imo
Every single player knows that if they brush against the oppositions foot that the incompetent clowns that run Var are gonna take 5 mins slowing it down so it looks like he nearly dismembered their opponents leg. Take Var away from the game. Or Talksport might as well change its name to TalkVar
All games should be looked at by players from the 70s 80s and 90s, a 10 panel team, with a tech setting up all the dives or possible dives/play acting, so they can do it fast. Then when any player gets three dives/over acting, even if he's been "TOUCHED" then he gets a two game ban. Watch diving STOP !! Even if you get fouled and you flop down like you are dead, that should be a card. So, lets look at Pens like this, if getting your damned foot touched in the Pen box is an Auto foul, how in the hell can a game ever be played, how many FOOT TOUCHES happen in the field of play and no foul is called? Probably a 100 a game, lol. Its absurd to call a Pen every time a foot gets touched and a wussie grown man throws himself down lie a cheating coward. PASS OUT CARDS, suspend these cheaters, END FLOPPING.
The fernandes one was bad but that diogo jota penalty was absolutely disgraceful. can you imagine Ronaldo Nazario going down like that? a whole second after he got slightly touched? Especially with an open goal?? lol! What a fckin shameless diving piece of cheat.
Alex Ferguson started this when he claimed any touch on Ronaldo caused him to go down because he was fast. So, contact against a player going past a defender was a penalty. Ever since then the football world, including pundits, adjusted their thinking.
Let's just blame the foreigners 😂
Exactly. Easy to pick on the foreign players. Where's the same heat when Rashford, Kane & Sterling are at it .... Hypocrites
Often heard commentators saying if he went down that would be a penalty 🤔 🤷 so its totally crazy
See the moment they say about reviewing Howard Webb they really think about their answer… they can’t be honest about these subjects
Bar doesn’t need to move it just needs to be properly enforced. That also means giving penalties and and fouls when players try to fight through contact.
Bruno is a cheater
I was at Gillingham v Sheffield United Saturday and the first goal they scored there supporters didn’t celebrate for approx 5-10 seconds as if they was waiting for var wasn’t till the team was celebrating at the corner flag there supporters reacted was bizarre
How often does a pundit in any given panel say "he was naive not to go down there"...
Diving has been around for decades, back in the seventies Francis Lee who played for man city took diving to a whole new level
Didn't they go through the replays and ban Niasse from everton for diving?
Simon seems to hold Danny in higher esteem than Martin... ;-)
Not hard to see why, Danny appears quite intelligent and doesn't make stupid points...
Where was this energy when Rodri dived in the Manchester Derby?
Does Rodri cheat week in week out?
@@jackninetynine5036lol yes and so does his club evidently
@@larnx1692 I don’t see him play acting or whinging anywhere near as much as Bruno. There’s a reason only united fans can stand him
@@jackninetynine5036 well yea it would be feat if someone matched Bruno’s antics but doesn’t mean rodri isn’t a shithouse himself
@@larnx1692 not really relevant it’s a video talking about Bruno diving, dunno why you’re bringing up rodri 😂
Now they are blaming foreign players😂😂
i thought diving was an offence and bookable. again the question is, whats the point of VAR if they cant catch stupidness like that.
Lets not forget these player are told to go down.
This is what I can't understand...... Why is the diving and what jota did wasn't a dive?
We should still we a replay on the big screen so we know what is going on like rugby fans get to see
I don't get this penalty argument, you feel contact; you go down, you dive you get a card, very simple. It's up to that player to stay on their foot if they feel contact. because they do the same thing outside the box too.
17:20 bit an inch offside, is offside. Why is he complaining? Complaining about the wrong decisions like diving etc
Same thing happened with jota a few weeks ago. Nothing said, Bruno does it, several segments on talksport dedicated to it 😂. But of course, talksport is a neutral show as we all know….
Danny was awfully quiet on that one
There was multiple videos on it. Are you always this daft?
@@AJ-xv7oh one on the jota dive, 3 on Bruno so far this week, and it’s only Wednesday. The match only finished Monday night!
@@seanb25 i`m confused i always thought it was Liverpool that were supposed to be the victims, now you`re telling us it`s really United who are 😂
@@changnoi3637 no sure everything’s perfect at Liverpool as always, no need to feel like a victim
Players and managers need to stop it
Liverpool have received the fair play award many times since Klopp has come in.Nobody notices though. The man doesn't even like running down the clock.
Stop the slowed down VAR footage. Let the ref see it it in the speed the incident has occurred.
Everton havent had a player sent off against em in 2 years and theres been plenty of 2nd yellows that never were
Good show. I don't often say this. Yes Jota and Diaz went down easy, however, there are penalties when players stay on their feet in Salah and don't get anything. Virgil shirt was being pulled in the box when the corner was taken and gues what, nothing
Come off it Salah would dive if someone breathed on Mane
Get rid of penalties and just award a direct free kick wherever the offence occured or not depending on the ref.
Diving against league one Wigan, Bruno has no shame at all. Why do refs keep falling for it when it’s so well known what he’s like? Start banning players for blatant cheating
It's really simple. He was fouled. Would the foul realistically make him fall to the ground? No chance. But if he doesn't go down he doesn't get the foul.
@@Hurley76 you’ve just disproven your own point. It’s not enough to go down. The issue is that players are rewarded for this, hence why I questioned why refs contribute to buy his nonsense when everyone knows he’s consistently cheating
@@jackninetynine5036 this guy doesn’t know the rules at all. No contact is needed for a foul.
I can take a swing at you and miss and still be sent of for violent conduct. If you slide on late and I have to jump over you and if I slip trying to avoid you, it can be by the letter if the law deemed as impeding me with out either of us touching.
So the “not enough to go down” really only applies on an actual challenge with the ball, not a late challenge where you weren’t close to the ball
It’s not realistic to ask players to stop diving. Every player wants to gain a competitive advantage so it must be up to referees
They jump on it now, but brushed over it when jota blatantly dived. "we don't talk about Bruno no no!"
They crucified Jota what you on about?? But Bruno took it to another level
No, they didn't. Now back to bed.
@@multipl3 Jota's was way worse
@@multipl3 they hardly talked about it what are you talking about? And Jotas was way worse. He took three strides and then collapsed.
Even if VAR increases accuracy fractionally, the cost to the game experience for all the viewers far outweighs those marginal improvements. It's no surprise that people are praising the experience of watching the recent cup matches without VAR, even when the refs have made a few errors.
Diving is very easy to see if you have played for over 40 years which I have does not have to be at the top level just a decent level .putting your legs into a defender is rife now and other variaties of dives .
Its better for ratings if united go through than wigan. PL is fixed.
So what is the rule for being late and hitting an opponents foot, While they have played past the opponent? Oh it’s a foul because you can’t just kick people no matter the force. The ball isn’t there and you kick a foot. Which impedes the attackers ability. That is a foul.
Danny claiming force and what not only apply to the result(foul, caution, sending off)