FULL Rise of Angmar Review! Emergency Podcast 9 | Middle Earth Strategy Battle Game | MESBG
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- Опубліковано 26 січ 2025
- With all the details of the new supplement now revealed, join us as we discuss all the new profiles and legendary legions!
Special thanks to David Farmer from Any Heroics for joining us on this one - you can find them here: / @anyheroics
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The Werewolves being Spirits is actually really nice attention to detail on the designers' parts. According to Tolkien, "...Sauron brought werewolves, fell beasts inhabited by dreadful spirits that he had imprisoned in their bodies..." The Silmarillion, Ch 19, Of Beren and Lúthien.
Oh wow I hadn't realised - very nice addition then!
Host of the witch king seem pretty strong tbh. Most people think wk is 15 points ish too cheap with crown at 25 pts, so at no cost that's 40 pts just there, that's 6 orcs. I think this could be reasonably strong at low/mid pts levels.
I am excited to play the wargs army of renown as I own 50 wild wargs and 5 warg chieftains all painted and used to regularly play them.
Great video chaps thanks for posting. Very informative and led me to find your channel :)
Glad you liked it - much more to come!
Gents, get HYPED!
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Love Dave on this. Officially second best thing on the Gollums Gamers *after* Ash's hair.
And I'm only salty because I have no hair.
Nice break down of the lists! I really hope Carn Dum is better than it is currently in the new edition!
Yeah hopefully there's some changes in the new edition!
Damn lads, that's quick!
A couple hours behind Aussies but it's a Saturday so 😁
No love for glorfindel with 3 resist dice and resistance to magic on earnur?
Do we think all this will move pretty much as is into the next version?
@@kevinvanravenswaaij4060 Yeah it's pretty great!
@@jasonprince8016 I'd personally bet some of it will change!
I was on the fence about whether to buy any of the new stuff (mainly down to price) then the key component of any Arnor army went out of stock very quickly which made my mind up 😂
Everyone clearly wants the OP legion 😁😂
@@GollumGamers yea it’s not been available for us to buy for a number of years now, I think maybe GW underestimated that!
Interesting that at time of writing this comment (Sun 25th Aug 10.20am BST) that the Werwolves and Arnor warriors are the only two pre-orders to have become temporarily unavailable.
Yeah a big shame on the Werewolves front!
I’m guessing with the werewolves they underestimated how many were actually going to sell because of the cost! Turns out everyone has very deep pockets 😅😅
I really, really like the unpronounceable shadow and the shade changes.
The shadow seems great because 3+ curse with a 3 attack Burdur/Hill troll seems fantastic.
I feel like the shade is going to be an auto include now, mostly because he is mandatory with Gully while also being fantastic with the WK.
Love the arnor expansions too, getting ready to drop lots of money on an arnor army to fight my Angmar!
Yeah the Shade with Gully is basically mandatory, and the +1 courage for the orcs is just so so good!
I think having spear supports that like killing hero's is fun.
I like gildor elves with spears as allys. with the big move 8" you can get that fight 5 to where you want it.
If the carn dun had move 8" I think it would be a fun similar option where you bring a few and they support in the fights that they are good in.
Yeah they needed something a bit different to make them cool new models that people want to use - and I think they missed the mark on that!
I think the Angmar list of models in the Rise of Angmar book does include the Carn Dum models in it. I’m only able to look at Guerilla Miniatures vid but if I pause and look closely I’m pretty sure I see them all listed there. Don’t know if that really makes them any more worth taking but at least it’s interesting.
We'll find out soon!
The old shade isn’t gone? It doesn’t actually say it replaces the old shade outside the use of the LL.
Yeah I thought about this sort of argument - but the Rise of Angmar is the latest publication of the game, so any changes they make surely supersedes anything that's come before it
Knights of Arnor is the same points as a Minas Tirith knight. 1 less courage but 1 more fight. I’ll take the fight any day
Yep they're pretty cracked - as we predicted in our Cavalry Tier List! 😁😂
@@GollumGamers immediately top teir cav
Not sure why the Carn Dum profiles are so undercooked. Hopefully the 9pt cost is wrong, they need to be 7pt (8 with the spear) for them to be even close to worth it. Freacht’s buffs are also laughably bad for a 65 point model that can only buff other bad profiles.
Yeah not quite what we were hoping for - maybe the new edition changes things a bit!
Hey team! Can you add the link for the text document?
Sorry I don't have it now! Here's the web article though - spruesandbrews.com/2024/08/24/middle-earth-strategy-battle-game-rise-of-angmar-review-and-miniatures-showcase/
What’s your reasoning for saying the Carn-Dum models can’t be taken in standard Angmar? They have the Angmar keyword, feels like saying Rutabi not being in standard Easterlings.
In the other video where the guy flicks through the book, they aren't; in the Angmar section - they're in their own section named Carn-Dum!
@@GollumGamers wow, I hope they didn’t screw that up. They’ll be useless if they aren’t in the Angmar army list. I can’t imagine they won’t be but GW has surprised me before
Are Cave Trolls eligible to take in Angmar anymore??
I can see why you might think that they aren't! 😁
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Nice video….. but dude…please talk after you have swollen your food. Man 😅
🤣🤣 apologies!! 😁
I really am just not impressed with the werewolf and I really, really wanted to be. I love the models. But a 50mm base with D4 and 2 wounds is just not survivable I feel. His base size makes him easier to draw a line to, he dies to shooting too easily, and makes it easier to get multiple cavalry models b2b which is a problem because he’s an infantry model. I feel like he should’ve either been S6 or been more expensive and been made a monster. I was hoping if they put them on 50mm, as they’ve done, that they’d be monsters with a stat line more like a troll with high Movement. As is I can’t see myself ever taking more than 2 of them, but I probably won’t take them at all to be honest.
You could definitely take more than two in the Wolf Pack legion!! Personally I think they'll be pretty solid!
@@GollumGamers The Wolf Pack Legion is arguably the only place I’d really want to run them. And even then they’re pricy glass cannons I feel.
@@Solkontan Yeah they can definitely go down! If you manage to get your banner up though, F5 at three attacks to win the fight is pretty good, you most likely aren't dying the first time you lose a fight - and you're defo killing!
What’s giving them an extra attack? Profile shows 2 attacks. And at D4 if you’ve been charged by cavalry I do imagine they die if they lose that duel. A single Rider of Rohan will get four strikes needing 4s to wound with their army bonus as they’ll knock the werewolf prone. If you take Werewolves you’ve gotta be really, really careful with them.
@@Solkontan If they get the banner up then that's 3 attacks to win the duel! Yeah S4 cav on the charge would murder them - but that won't always be what's coming at them! But yes agreed you'd have to be careful with them, at 25pts on a 50mm base you gotta use them right - but in the right hands they're gonna be really really strong!