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@@sanjosemike3137 I don't suppose, by the evidence you've just placed in front for ALL to see, you're not too familiar with that timeless biblical addage......"Judge NOT, lest Ye also shall be judged!"
As an archeologist I completely agree with this. This was an absolutely horrible way to die. The imagination humans use to cause suffering to others is beyond me.
I'm a nerd for psychology, so I _understand_ it, but I absolutely don't empathize with it one tiny bit. We're one of the very few species of animal that have this trait. Even the animals that are literally designed to be killing machines don't exhibit this type of cruelty just for cruelty's sake. It seems to be a primate thing.
@@oxcart4172ancient manuscripts are no proofs ? Flavius Josepus a Jewish Roman historian writes in 70ad about Jesus and his crucifixion. Troy was discovered after 3000 yr with only proof the oral song of Iliad. Jesus has more historical proof than Illiad/Troy
Well researched video on a topic widely misunderstood. The views on your channel will reflect the quality of the videos very soon. Keep doing the good work.
As I was watching your high quality, well researched video I was relieved it wasn't like so many "so called" history related youtube channels pumping out AI generated voices and repetitive BS to make the videos longer. Great job. Subscribed!
You know it was bad, when thousands of years later we still use the term in context of brutal punishment. "I can't do that. I don't want to be crucified!"
I believe the way crucifixion works is that it puts so much preassure on the heart having your arms fixed up in that position that it slowly induces a heart attack
@@Lynda-s5b which you had to try to push yourself upwards on your legs. Death by hart attack was I suspect a quite common “ cause of death”. But the hart attack was the result of extended constant torture, and the stresses that it put upon the entire system. The braking of the legs to induce death was not a mercy but a convenience for the romans. Think about attempting to raise most of your weight upwards in an attempt to breath on two compound fractures. A final horrific act that physically would prevent the victim from being able to get sufficient oxygen, causing them to asphyxiate. The roman executioners believed that Christ was actually dead, so they did not have to go to the trouble of breaking his shin bones, hence the doubtless regulation, spear to the hart, which produced both blood and plasma; a positive confirmation that he was truly dead.
Respiratory failure, the lungs fill with fluid, combined with the effects of dehydration, are thought the most common cause of death from crucifixion, followed by heart failure, then exposure.
Even more a grisly fact, when the coarse nails pierced the wrist it can penetrate the median nerve. This can send excruciating waves of pain through the body, and every time the condemned on the cross lifts up to get a breath, to stop his suffocation, it can start the process all over again. Truly an awful way to die.
With how little views this had I expected to click on it, hear an ai voice and then turn it off instantly... bloody hell I was wrong, so very wrong. You have a new sub.
@@Alice-oq4jm My thoughts exactly. So when you find a video like this. Ones without those interjection clips a supposed reaction to the video they are watching or reacting to. Or the sound effects. And a video getting straight to the point. Not rambling on for ten plus minutes that has nothing to do with the video. It's nice to see.
Did Jesus Christ even exist? I'm not a mythicist but I'm skeptical, there's no good HISTORICAL evidence for his existence, certainly no evidence of anything supernatural.
Why don't religious people understand that that story is all about giving hope to people who are living in hellish conditions similar this. It's all just a story.
@@steveguest8028 It’s not possible to find any independent, scientific evidence, but I totally support your right to believe in the god of your choice and genuinely wish you well.
The Romans actually always carried out scourging with the condemned stripped totally naked. Thus lashes from the flagellum inflicted wounds not merely to the back and shoulders, but also to the buttocks, thighs, belly, and even the genitals. Many modern authorities now suggest that, having been stripped fully naked for scourging, the condemned remained completely naked for the remainder of the crucifixion process. Therefore, when being publically paraded to the site of execution, carrying the pulum or wooden crossbeam, the condemned did so stark-naked. In addition to men, the Romans crucified a lot of women, principaly slaves, but we don't have a handle on numbers due to the Romans not recording slave crucifixions by gender. When condemned to crucifixion, women were subjected to a similar process to men with two exceptions. Although stripped naked for scourging, a whip or cane was substituted for the vicious flagellum. Just like the men, the women remained completely naked thereafter. At this point they recieved another concession to their gender, they weren't made to carry the 40-50kg weight of the pulum, although they were still publically paraded to the site of their execution totally naked.
However in Judea the Romans apparently made a concession to the Jewish culture, in which public nakedness was particularly taboo, for fear of a public uprising of disgust at the sight of the condemned paraded naked through the streets. So after the scourging, the condemned person would be dressed again for the carrying of the crosspiece, and stripped naked at the site of crucifixion before being nailed to the cross. This is what happened to Jesus, as we are told that the soldiers divided his outer clothes among them, and cast lots for his seamless undergarment - probably a valuable item woven from very fine linen, as would have been worn by a high priest.
The Jews would not tolerated parading totally naked people around Jerusalem and then put them on public display. Besides it'd be totally unnecessary plus the nasty wound to the groin area could easily put a person into shock and/or cardiac arrest. That would be counter-productive to the whole process.
To think the scourging Jesus of Nazareth endured was far worse than normal, that he had a crown of thorns pushed onto his head, and then he was walked to Golgotha. But his death came much more swiftly than the rebels he was sentenced to die alongside. It was likely no more than a few minutes that he was on there before his heart literally exploded, and he was taken down almost immediately, to be buried in an above ground tomb. Regardless of your opinion of his divinity, there seems to be the idea that though he was shown little mercy in life, he was allowed dignity in death.
@@castleanthrax1833 even if you ignore the Bíblia completely, there’s more written evidence for Jesus than for Alexander the Great. No historian denies Jesus Christ was a person that actually existed. Many historians can and do deny that He was the son of God and the resurrection, but not that He was a real person.
@@sofialozano4031 It is THE STORY that has been fabricated. I could write a story about you, and 2,000 years from now someone could read that story and reduce "I've found direct evidence that this person existed, so the story must be true," which is very close to what has happened with the Bible.
Some fundamental religious groups know this but why the biggest group of all places multiple effigies of a poor guy being tortured in a "sanitised" way throughout its buildings, is beyond me. They totally omit the scourging, which would have rendered the unfortunate victim a bloody mess of mangled meat.
Yeah - we often see Jesus looking quite well put together on the Crucifix - the reality is that it would have been painful just to look at someone who'd been crucified. Nasty stuff.
Some of the medieval crucifixes were truly horrific, so much so that the churchgoers could not bare them. They were eventually considered too horrific for viewing by children and women. In the older European cathedrals, they are still there but in museums ( in a cupboard)
@@stefanhofer-jz7fk A line from a 1970s comedy film doesn't cut it. By your own logic you could say that the n@2ls can be excused because of the technology and highways structures they created. As for our current legal system - I doubt if we could describe that as a good thing, given how many people have been arrested for comments they wrote on social media.
@@stefanhofer-jz7fk Interesting. My reply to you was deleted. I'll summarise it. Repeating a point from 'The Life of Brian' comedy film doesn't cut it. By your logic you could excuse any genocidal tyranny by pointing out some of their advances. For instance German scientists and architects from a certain era were very sought after and did incredible things in their field. Does that mean you will justify everything else that went on there. As for our legal system and institutions. Yeah - take another look at the state of both today and tell me that they're a gift.
"The gods tremble in horror at the twists to the clever mind of man." We humans are such a mixed bag of horror and beauty and trusting the dice is no help.
Actually the crosses weren't as high as they appear in paintings and movies. Most stood no more than 8 foot above the ground, max. They're described as 'eye level' because the crowd watching a crucifixion could look the condemned straight in the eye.
@@terryjacob8169 That's very interesting. I didn't know that, but I can see why movies and books have raised them up several metres... it wouldn't look nearly as impressive if their feet were only inches above the ground.
Those Romans might have had a more advanced understanding of physiology than I ever imagined. I thought they just left them to die of exposure or bleed out but the affect on the breathing hints at more sophisticated knowledge. Utterly diabolical punishment no matter how you look at it though.
Can you tell me where in the Bible does it say John was crucified ? As far as I know John the Baptist was beheaded and John the beloved deciple was boiled in oil yet somehow survived and was banished to the island of Patmos and was years later released, he lived to an old age preaching the Gospel 🤓
Maybe we don't go to heaven or hell when we die. Maybe the life we're living now is a shared heaven/hell experience, and when we die we get loaded back into this same universe. Maybe we are all the same spirit or soul, and everything we do to eachother we are actually doing to ourselves, in a cosmic sense. 🤔
I've always thought the same. We are all the same entity. in essence we are all the same person and we are sharing experiences across heaven and hell all the time. It's a way out line of thought but i get where you are coming from.
My great grandma before she died told me “remember that every individual is just another version of you”. Never really understood what she meant but this must be it.
The Stanford Prison “experimenters” should have gone to prison themselves. The fact that they “got away with the experiment” is a black mark on the University. The public should NOT FUND this College. Sanjosemike (no longer in CA)
I've never heard crucifictions described this way. Thanks. Great video. Thanks for not using that insipid AI narration so many videos use now. I've read that when the prisoner was hit with that whip, it would get stuck and the Roman guard would have to yank and pull to get it unstuck. Holy cow you know that hurt.
This is what the Lord Jesus Christ in his great love for us went through to pay our sin debt. A debt we could never pay. Worse than even the crucifixion was the three hours he hung in darkness and suffered the wrath of the Father which we can avoid if we realize that we all are sinners in desperate need of a savior. We have to accept this free gift of salvation individually in this life.
What debt?! Isn’t it odd to first make up a ton of rules that he knows we cannot follow and that “sacrifice” himself to pay our “debt”. So three hours on a wooden contraption, the same ordeal hundreds or maybe even thousand of others have gone through, not to mention the thousands of people tortured and murdered by christians, would wipe out what we had “sinned”. This is the most revolting part in the christian religion - “I did this for you and now you are my slave and personal item forever ….”
I don't believe a word of it. If Christ wanted to convince the world then he would not have left. He would have stayed here and would still be around today, a 2,000 year old dude healing dudes and feeding dudes. Right? There would be no hunger or sickness.
I read in an article that sometimes a nail was driven through the penis onto the stake, so in order to get your first breath you had to push up and tear your won penis from the nail.
And hell is on a scale our minds can't comprehend. A person in hell would rather endure this for eternity than hell. Because on the cross, you can see the sky, you can breathe no matter how painful, you can see people, you can lose consciousness. In hell there is none of that.
The cruelty and inhumanity of man is mindbogglingly hideous. The things people do to their fellows is totally appalling. Such an unbelievably large number of people throughout the ages suffering such hideous torment. And this was only one of so many disgusting things we've done to each other. I struggle to understand how truly wicked many people have been and must still be today. It's ....I don't have the words to describe my feelings. This hideous death was how humans treated Jesus, the man that God sent to save us all. And this was how he suffered! ? Unbelievable yet it happened. Him, and the multitude of others,! I'm aghast at the cruelty of humanity. Yet we can be forgiven? How incredible God is, when so many humans have been so terrible. I still struggle to understand the enormity of it all. I doubt I ever will in this life at least.
@@tonybarnes3658 Yet Jesus only suffered a few hours. He didn't linger for days like many others did. Apparently, this was long enough in God's eyes to atone for sin--but only for those who believe in him. The rest of us poor slobs--well, an eternity of suffering apparently is not long enough to satisfy God. No forgiveness for us, ever. No matter what we did or how we lived our lives. But say the magic words and six hours of Jesus' suffering is sufficient to cover everything. You could be the absolute worst human being that ever did whose life had no redeeming value to any of your fellow humans, the kind of person that other people rejoice when they hear of your death, but should you turn to Jesus in the hour of your death, paradise is yours!
Its nice how your title accomodates the sadists among us. "Its grisleyer and more painful than previously imagined in ways you never dreamed." You guys are cool about the marginalised and the pariahs in the world. 🍷🤠
@@Barnabas45 The truly appalling truth is that almost all of the important inventions that humanity has come up with, have been the result of war. Better ways to kill each other, better ways to prevent our friends and families from getting killed , better Medicean and surgeries to repair battle wounds. First flint then copper, bronze and iron. The wheel, flight rockets………The spin-offs from our addiction to murderous technology, spilled off into agriculture and all else. Makes you think doesn’t it? And to think that we use “ humanity “ as a synonym for kindness!!!
@@JakeAtFlashback the Romans were nothing if not practical, and if things went wrong the soldiers responsible for the executions could find themselves in extremely hot water.
In the picture in 1:06 his leg bones were not broken. Maybe they broke only the knees, not much power needed, and it would had the same effect that they can't stretch their legs any more.
@@duudsuufd The leg bones, would not have to be broken if they could be certain that the condemned man was actually dead. Hence the use of a spear to Christs side ( hart) to prove, and insure, that he really was, actually dead, and not in a coma. The report of “blood and water” coming from the wound being acceptable proof positive, that they had stabbed a corpse. This may also have something to do with the Jewish laws of animal sacrifice, when it is not allowable that any bones of a sacrificial animal be broken, before or during, the sacrifice. As Christs death on the cross was considered the ultimate sacrifice. Of Jesus the man, to god The Father and God sacrificing His Son to redeem mankind.. Which is why Christian’s do not sacrifice animals.
I’m actually wondering whether the crucifixion process always involved scourging with a flagellum and the use of nails. For one, how could a condemned man be tortured to the near point of death and then still be made to carry the crossbeam to the place of his execution? And nails were made of iron, which was a costly metal in those days. I know that they were often re-used. Anyway, it was a horrific way to die.
I knew some, but not all, of the details you've given (My late Dad was an Anglican/Episcopalian priest) but I've never had such a complete picture as you've given. A truly horrifying way to die!
What? No BS...No overwhelming stupid music...No AI...No clickbait...Straight to the point and short?...I didn't think that there was still such a thing on YT, Thank you.
So for all the reasons that John could not be able to fight back, I would like to think that he wouldn't even have the strength even stand let alone carry part of the cross? The human body has a limit
Congrats on creating an interesting presentation!! However, most individuals died from being unable to breath because of lack of blood flow to the lungs and heart. How would one be able to carry a wooden cross Another new sub!
The apostle John was the only disciple who wasn't Martyred. John ended the rest of his life as a prisoner on the Greek Island of Patmos. There Jesus appeared to him and together they wrote the final book of the New Testament, which is the Book of Revelation...The Bible doesn't say how John died, but certainly not by crucifixion.
@benjaminfalzon4622 it amazes me that even though your faith recommends compassion, you choose to be rude. The history and research behind this video is sound. I was a history teacher for 4 years. You're just annoyed because you think I'm talking about the bible, when I'm not - and never said I was.
@@MrAuskiwi101 Ohhhhh. Let me do that.....I'm thinking, hold on......ohhhhh.....still thinking........ok, I have decided. Thank you. You're so smart. Your deep and insightful comment of "Please try thinking," has helped me immensely. I don't know what I would do without the perspicacious wisdom you've imparted on me. Your "lolc" also shamed me and really prompted me to look with faith on your words "Please try thinking." Without that FAITH that what you are saying is absolutely true (with no other evidence), I would have never have tried thinking. So, thank you again. I will certainly put my FAITH in You instead of 2,000 years of great theological saints such as Thomas Aquinas, Augustine, Theresa of Avila, and Catherine of Siena. You saved me.
@titomontes9670 please try thinking is very pertainant advice. Besides childish sarcasm you offer nothing of substance to back up any god/jesus claim. You're running from responsibility as your type always does. Let me know when you find the courage to question your nonsensical beliefs in the light of logic reason and history. Thanks.
@@MrAuskiwi101 It's "pertinent" not "pertainant." Try thinking about your spelling and grammar. You come off as very unintelligent and hypocritical. I will not offer any substance because I do not cast pearls before swine. Nothing could be told to you. Besides, you offer nothing of substance yourself. All you offer are labels. Again a hypocrite; demanding substance when offering none of their own.
The hanging frames resembled telephone poles more than they resembled crosses. And sometimes, when the charge was _crimen maiestas_ (crime against the majesty of Rome, i.e., treason, sedition, and/or insurrection) the frame was a _tota crux:_ a cross or transomed pole with a _sedile_ that was equipped with an _acuta crux_ or pointed peg, astride of which the suspended individual would be seated. I think you can figure out what that meant. Was it applied in Judea? Perhaps not; otherwise the locals would have been very offended!
@@bristoled93 You posted you question 2 months ago and I just got notified today by YT. 🫤 Any way here's the answer: 👇 It means that criminals who committed Crimes against the State and condemned to crucifixion were not just nailed up, they "rode" (cough) the peg. Seneca the Younger quoting Maecenas and responding to him says it best in Moral Epistles 101.10:14: "'Go ahead, you may nail me up and set for my seat the point of the cross!' Is it worth while to press one's own wound and hang impaled on a gibbet, in order to postpone something which is the balm of troubles, the end of punishment?" In case you didn't get the point, Justin Martyr also talks about the peg, or "riding point" of the cross which he describes as a Monokeratos 🦏 (rhinoceros) horn in his Dialogue with Trypho 91.1-2: "... and one in the middle which looks like a horn and even projects like a horn, on which "ride" those who are crucified/crucifying themselves..." There. I think I have made it sufficiently explicit.
I've always wondered about the shape of the cross. It seems illogical, time consuming and silly to make make all sorts of scarf cuts in the wood to fit a cross piece, thus making the traditional cross. It seems to me that just a T would be so much simpler, and logically, an "X" shape would be much easier and less labor intensive. Are there any archeological proof of the shape of the cross?
It’s been suggested that the cross was a T shape with the I of the T partly buried in the ground with a narrow part on the top and the prisoner would be tied to the crossbeam which had a hole to fit tightly into the narrow part of the upright.
@@alexbowman7582 Knowing human foibles and propensity to do lousy jobs fast and easy, my guess is that it was a T or an X. The only reason we think of a christian cross is because of Hollywood.
@JakeAtFlashback my previous statement, as well as the reasons listed below, are all from the Wikipedia page on crucifixion. I haven't fact checked it, though. There is scholarly support for several possible non-asphyxiation causes of death: heart failure or arrhythmia, hypovolemic shock, acidosis, dehydration, and pulmonary embolism. Death could result from any combination of those factors, or from other causes, including sepsis following infection due to the wounds caused by the nails or by the scourging that often preceded crucifixion, or from stabbing by the guard. They did a test, though, where they bound someone to a cross with his arms stretched out at a 60 to 70 degree angle and hey had no trouble breathing at all, but there's some debate about how their feet were placed in that test, apparently it wasn't exactly like on a cross. So that might have had an effect on their possibility to breathe normally.
if there was a foot rest on the cross it wouldnt be as bad than if there wasnt one also i believe the brazen bull death is worse than a crucifixion that has a foot rest
Excruciating. Latin root meaning out of the cross. Cross was so reviled by Rome itself it was much like the C word of today. I have a doctorate in philosophy and theology... not that it matters but I have done hundreds of hours of reading regarding crucifixion... It's just so perfectly sadistic... Once the ulnar is ruptured... and the spike is hammered through the wrist ( specifically the space of destot a cartilage in the wrist) it causes debilitating heat to transverse the arms.. same as the planter nerve rupture in the foot. Jesus died in modern terms of a pericardial rupture due to the spear... My blessed savior wept in gethsemane... poured blood for our forgiveness... Great video sir
Glad you enjoyed! Your comment is really insightful! I did my dissertation in the philosophy of religion too! What was your area of research? (Mine was Problem of Evil)
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Can these same type of crucifixion methods currently be applied to Donald Rump?
@@blackholeentry3489You have so MUCH hate in one spot.
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@@sanjosemike3137 I don't suppose, by the evidence you've just placed in front for ALL to see, you're not too familiar with that timeless biblical addage......"Judge NOT, lest Ye also shall be judged!"
As an archeologist I completely agree with this. This was an absolutely horrible way to die. The imagination humans use to cause suffering to others is beyond me.
Well said my friend
I know. I hear about many such things and part of my reaction is, "Who could possibly invent this?".
So scary to think about. I just imagine seeing such a thing... My goodness.
I can't understand cruelty at this level.
Same here, I sometimes try to wrap my head around it...but my brain just can't.
Neither me
Look at luv religion nowadays
It's a scary thought that we're all capable of such cruelty. We might even enjoy it given the right circumstances.
I'm a nerd for psychology, so I _understand_ it, but I absolutely don't empathize with it one tiny bit. We're one of the very few species of animal that have this trait. Even the animals that are literally designed to be killing machines don't exhibit this type of cruelty just for cruelty's sake. It seems to be a primate thing.
Well, we sure as hell can't accuse this bloke of using clickbait!
A very thorough description of what Our Blessed Lord suffered for us, thank you so much.God Bless you.
It's weird how actual proof is not important to u
@@oxcart4172ancient manuscripts are no proofs ? Flavius Josepus a Jewish Roman historian writes in 70ad about Jesus and his crucifixion. Troy was discovered after 3000 yr with only proof the oral song of Iliad. Jesus has more historical proof than Illiad/Troy
@@oxcart4172You clearly havent investigated properly with a genuinely open mind.
@jameswhite7997
If there is actual evidence of something, it really helps with my decision-making!
Christians think they own crucifixion. Like how they hijacked the midwinter festival and made it about themselves
Well researched video on a topic widely misunderstood.
The views on your channel will reflect the quality of the videos very soon. Keep doing the good work.
Appreciate the encouragement!
It was starting to get a little demoralising!
@@JakeAtFlashback “Hang in there mate”
As I was watching your high quality, well researched video I was relieved it wasn't like so many "so called" history related youtube channels pumping out AI generated voices and repetitive BS to make the videos longer. Great job. Subscribed!
@autoantics glad you enjoyed!
Poor John. What a terrible ordeal for him. Bless him
@candygirl1990 I know right :(
You know it was bad, when thousands of years later we still use the term in context of brutal punishment. "I can't do that. I don't want to be crucified!"
I'm all teared up. It is totally unimaginable for me, to understand the suffering, the brutal pain...Thanks for a truly eyeopening video!
Glad you found it insightful!
Was it more painful than being set on fire for eternity???
This has gotta be the best detailed and depiction of a crucifixion that I have ever seen
Great video
Poor John, I couldn't imagine going through that
Crucifixion is the one form of torture/death that I've had nightmares about.
Great video and breakdown of the ancient method.
Glad you enjoyed it!
The “merciful” act of having your legs smashed with a mallet after already suffering for hours doesn’t seem much of a concession.
@Lynda-s5b yeah I'm with you on that!
Sometimes it was even days
Hard to say if it would have came as a relief or not 😬😬😬😬
@@JakeAtFlashback
I understand it's reckoned that a fit young man could last about 3 days.
I believe the way crucifixion works is that it puts so much preassure on the heart having your arms fixed up in that position that it slowly induces a heart attack
The weight of your body would make you unable to breathe.
@@Lynda-s5b which you had to try to push yourself upwards on your legs. Death by hart attack was I suspect a quite common “ cause of death”. But the hart attack was the result of extended constant torture, and the stresses that it put upon the entire system. The braking of the legs to induce death was not a mercy but a convenience for the romans. Think about attempting to raise most of your weight upwards in an attempt to breath on two compound fractures. A final horrific act that physically would prevent the victim from being able to get sufficient oxygen, causing them to asphyxiate.
The roman executioners believed that Christ was actually dead, so they did not have to go to the trouble of breaking his shin bones, hence the doubtless regulation, spear to the hart, which produced both blood and plasma; a positive confirmation that he was truly dead.
Respiratory failure, the lungs fill with fluid, combined with the effects of dehydration, are thought the most common cause of death from crucifixion, followed by heart failure, then exposure.
Even more a grisly fact, when the coarse nails pierced the wrist it can penetrate the median nerve. This can send excruciating waves of pain through the body, and every time the condemned on the cross lifts up to get a breath, to stop his suffocation, it can start the process all over again. Truly an awful way to die.
With how little views this had I expected to click on it, hear an ai voice and then turn it off instantly... bloody hell I was wrong, so very wrong. You have a new sub.
I feel you, these AI Channels are plaguing UA-cam.
Thank you for taking the chance
Glad you enjoyed!
@@MaxWellington46they are terrible. Good to see a real person with real content
@@Alice-oq4jm My thoughts exactly. So when you find a video like this. Ones without those interjection clips a supposed reaction to the video they are watching or reacting to. Or the sound effects. And a video getting straight to the point. Not rambling on for ten plus minutes that has nothing to do with the video. It's nice to see.
@@JakeAtFlashback great work mate
Thank you Lord Jesus for enduring such a horrible death so that I may have eternal life with you in Heaven
Did Jesus Christ even exist? I'm not a mythicist but I'm skeptical, there's no good HISTORICAL evidence for his existence, certainly no evidence of anything supernatural.
Were you to read G-d's word you would know that no one is to be put to death to save others!
Really? Eternal life is probably worse.
yet jesus supposedly rose from the dead.. so he didnt die for anyone
meanwhile the romans crucifid thousands, and they stayed dead
@podoau Good point! He certainly didn't die for me, I would have told him not to bother and to keep taking his medication.
Thank you for this 'bloody' good video. Your presentation is so professional, eloquent and pleasurable !
@@SteveMcGreen that's very kind of you say!
Very informative great video some i knew already but some of the info was new to me thanks for posting this video
Thank you Jesus for being tortured on the ✝️ and dying for our sins.
I never understood why someone who supposedly had all these powers would allow themselves to be tortured to death. But then I"m not religious.
Evidence?
Why don't religious people understand that that story is all about giving hope to people who are living in hellish conditions similar this. It's all just a story.
@@Annie-ez4olThere is masses of evidence for Jesus’s crucifixion
@@steveguest8028 It’s not possible to find any independent, scientific evidence, but I totally support your right to believe in the god of your choice and genuinely wish you well.
The Romans actually always carried out scourging with the condemned stripped totally naked. Thus lashes from the flagellum inflicted wounds not merely to the back and shoulders, but also to the buttocks, thighs, belly, and even the genitals. Many modern authorities now suggest that, having been stripped fully naked for scourging, the condemned remained completely naked for the remainder of the crucifixion process. Therefore, when being publically paraded to the site of execution, carrying the pulum or wooden crossbeam, the condemned did so stark-naked.
In addition to men, the Romans crucified a lot of women, principaly slaves, but we don't have a handle on numbers due to the Romans not recording slave crucifixions by gender. When condemned to crucifixion, women were subjected to a similar process to men with two exceptions. Although stripped naked for scourging, a whip or cane was substituted for the vicious flagellum. Just like the men, the women remained completely naked thereafter. At this point they recieved another concession to their gender, they weren't made to carry the 40-50kg weight of the pulum, although they were still publically paraded to the site of their execution totally naked.
And just when you think it can't get worse
It gets worse 😅
Thanks for sharing!
However in Judea the Romans apparently made a concession to the Jewish culture, in which public nakedness was particularly taboo, for fear of a public uprising of disgust at the sight of the condemned paraded naked through the streets. So after the scourging, the condemned person would be dressed again for the carrying of the crosspiece, and stripped naked at the site of crucifixion before being nailed to the cross. This is what happened to Jesus, as we are told that the soldiers divided his outer clothes among them, and cast lots for his seamless undergarment - probably a valuable item woven from very fine linen, as would have been worn by a high priest.
The Jews would not tolerated parading totally naked people around Jerusalem and then put them on public display. Besides it'd be totally unnecessary plus the nasty wound to the groin area could easily put a person into shock and/or cardiac arrest. That would be counter-productive to the whole process.
I didn't know the Romans crucified a lot of women. I understood that they only crucified one woman and she was crucified fully clothed.
@@chris93703there are many records of women crucifixions.
To think the scourging Jesus of Nazareth endured was far worse than normal, that he had a crown of thorns pushed onto his head, and then he was walked to Golgotha. But his death came much more swiftly than the rebels he was sentenced to die alongside. It was likely no more than a few minutes that he was on there before his heart literally exploded, and he was taken down almost immediately, to be buried in an above ground tomb. Regardless of your opinion of his divinity, there seems to be the idea that though he was shown little mercy in life, he was allowed dignity in death.
It's just a story.
@@castleanthrax1833Its not just a story Jesus was real
@@steveguest8028
Aside from the Bible (which isn't evidence btw) what evidence do you have that it's more than just a story?
@@castleanthrax1833 even if you ignore the Bíblia completely, there’s more written evidence for Jesus than for Alexander the Great. No historian denies Jesus Christ was a person that actually existed. Many historians can and do deny that He was the son of God and the resurrection, but not that He was a real person.
@@sofialozano4031 It is THE STORY that has been fabricated. I could write a story about you, and 2,000 years from now someone could read that story and reduce "I've found direct evidence that this person existed, so the story must be true," which is very close to what has happened with the Bible.
Very informative. Thanks for the posting 👍🏻
@@TherymasterWidnes thanks for watching!
Some fundamental religious groups know this but why the biggest group of all places multiple effigies of a poor guy being tortured in a "sanitised" way throughout its buildings, is beyond me. They totally omit the scourging, which would have rendered the unfortunate victim a bloody mess of mangled meat.
Yeah - we often see Jesus looking quite well put together on the Crucifix - the reality is that it would have been painful just to look at someone who'd been crucified.
Nasty stuff.
Some of the medieval crucifixes were truly horrific, so much so that the churchgoers could not bare them. They were eventually considered too horrific for viewing by children and women. In the older European cathedrals, they are still there but in museums ( in a cupboard)
Oh, I'd have it on my wall as a reminder to those who challenged the might of the Roman Empire.
They also ignore the fact that the victims of crucifixion were crucified stark-naked, there was no loincloth covering the genitalia.
Always look on the bright side of life! 🎶
Between the colosseum and the crucifix - the Roman empire is one empire that won't be missed.
We have their legal systems, their institutions, their architecture ..
@@stefanhofer-jz7fk A line from a 1970s comedy film doesn't cut it. By your own logic you could say that the n@2ls can be excused because of the technology and highways structures they created. As for our current legal system - I doubt if we could describe that as a good thing, given how many people have been arrested for comments they wrote on social media.
@@stefanhofer-jz7fk Interesting. My reply to you was deleted. I'll summarise it. Repeating a point from 'The Life of Brian' comedy film doesn't cut it. By your logic you could excuse any genocidal tyranny by pointing out some of their advances. For instance German scientists and architects from a certain era were very sought after and did incredible things in their field. Does that mean you will justify everything else that went on there. As for our legal system and institutions. Yeah - take another look at the state of both today and tell me that they're a gift.
Holy mother pierce me through
in my heart each wound renew
of my savior crucified !
utter bollocks
Religious nut same ol' blah blah blah fn squawk mumbo jumbo BS!!! AMEN 🙏
@@ganndeber1621 If you're not religious, you can at least respect those who are. Being offensive doesn't make you look intelligent - trust me on this.
@@peterswires8439 no i do not respect sheep, i respect your right to be sheep baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
"The gods tremble in horror at the twists to the clever mind of man." We humans are such a mixed bag of horror and beauty and trusting the dice is no help.
This is a fantastic video, I didn't even get halfway through the video before I subbed.
Well done mate, top class video.
@@skin1313 appreciated!
"But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our inequities..." ~ Isaiah 53 5... Thank you, Lord, for thinking of me on the Cross..
gets you out in the fresh air plus you get a good view of the landscape!
I'm Brian, and so is my wife. 👍
No mobile phones to spoil it either.
Actually the crosses weren't as high as they appear in paintings and movies. Most stood no more than 8 foot above the ground, max. They're described as 'eye level' because the crowd watching a crucifixion could look the condemned straight in the eye.
@@terryjacob8169
That's very interesting. I didn't know that, but I can see why movies and books have raised them up several metres... it wouldn't look nearly as impressive if their feet were only inches above the ground.
The Romans borrowed this idea from the Persians. Was popular in Carthage also.
I didn't know that - interesting detail!
It happened as recently as WWII as well
This was still going on in Saudi Arabia , the home of Islam, as recently as the 1960s.
really? I didn't know that, thats insane!
This was going on 10 years ago in Syria by Isis.
Those Romans might have had a more advanced understanding of physiology than I ever imagined. I thought they just left them to die of exposure or bleed out but the affect on the breathing hints at more sophisticated knowledge. Utterly diabolical punishment no matter how you look at it though.
They knew exactly where to nail to avoid blood vessels.
Excellent video! It’s really informative and you have a gift for presentation 😊
@@inMarid thank you very much!
Can you tell me where in the Bible does it say John was crucified ? As far as I know John the Baptist was beheaded and John the beloved deciple was boiled in oil yet somehow survived and was banished to the island of Patmos and was years later released, he lived to an old age preaching the Gospel 🤓
@edfo1374 this video is not about the biblical John.
Wolrd history is bigger than the bible
I'll settle for community service and a tag please ......brutal ...
maybe a stern talking to
@@ganndeber1621 just a sharp glance in my direction would do too
Maybe we don't go to heaven or hell when we die. Maybe the life we're living now is a shared heaven/hell experience, and when we die we get loaded back into this same universe. Maybe we are all the same spirit or soul, and everything we do to eachother we are actually doing to ourselves, in a cosmic sense. 🤔
That's an intiguing way of looking at things.
I've always thought the same. We are all the same entity. in essence we are all the same person and we are sharing experiences across heaven and hell all the time. It's a way out line of thought but i get where you are coming from.
My great grandma before she died told me “remember that every individual is just another version of you”. Never really understood what she meant but this must be it.
It could be worse someone could be tickling your feet the whole time.
They now think possibly that the hands weren't nailed,but arms tied over the top of the cross.
I think it depended, maybe a lictor wasn't skilled on hammering hand on the wood, or nails been scarce and expensive
Brilliant video - really well put together
Glad you enjoyed it!
Good video, deserve more subs
@@alessandrofirmani700 sooner or later!
Thanks again for watching!
Excellent, best I've seen for a while. I'm pressing subscribe. 😊
@2wittysue535 glad you enjoyed!
Likewise.
I’m kind of glad as bad as this world is I’m alive today were most places aren’t as barbaric as the old days
To all those here tearfully saying how you could never inflict torture, The Stanford Prison Experiment says you're wrong!
@@dratsab1980able
Glad someone said it!
The Stanford Prison “experimenters” should have gone to prison themselves.
The fact that they “got away with the experiment” is a black mark on the University.
The public should NOT FUND this College.
Sanjosemike (no longer in CA)
I've never heard crucifictions described this way. Thanks. Great video. Thanks for not using that insipid AI narration so many videos use now. I've read that when the prisoner was hit with that whip, it would get stuck and the Roman guard would have to yank and pull to get it unstuck. Holy cow you know that hurt.
Unthinkable suffering!
@@JakeAtFlashback that's for sure.
This is what the Lord Jesus Christ in his great love for us went through to pay our sin debt. A debt we could never pay. Worse than even the crucifixion was the three hours he hung in darkness and suffered the wrath of the Father which we can avoid if we realize that we all are sinners in desperate need of a savior. We have to accept this free gift of salvation individually in this life.
What debt?! Isn’t it odd to first make up a ton of rules that he knows we cannot follow and that “sacrifice” himself to pay our “debt”. So three hours on a wooden contraption, the same ordeal hundreds or maybe even thousand of others have gone through, not to mention the thousands of people tortured and murdered by christians, would wipe out what we had “sinned”.
This is the most revolting part in the christian religion - “I did this for you and now you are my slave and personal item forever ….”
You really are an idiot if you believe that garbage
I don't believe a word of it. If Christ wanted to convince the world then he would not have left. He would have stayed here and would still be around today, a 2,000 year old dude healing dudes and feeding dudes. Right? There would be no hunger or sickness.
Same old tired, worn out religious nut mumbo jumbo BS rhetoric!!! Give it a fn rest already.
And yet, if we don't accept this as truth, an eternity of suffering and darkness will never be enough to pay that debt. Something doesn't add up here.
I read in an article that sometimes a nail was driven through the penis onto the stake, so in order to get your first breath you had to push up and tear your won penis from the nail.
And hell is on a scale our minds can't comprehend. A person in hell would rather endure this for eternity than hell. Because on the cross, you can see the sky, you can breathe no matter how painful, you can see people, you can lose consciousness. In hell there is none of that.
Very good video! interesting story, great job editing.
@@zeroo2140 appreciated!
Amazing Video, keep the good work up!
Thank you!
How...
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@TheRealSkippyTheMagnificent that's very kind of you!
As a small channel - comments like these make my day!
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The cruelty and inhumanity of man is mindbogglingly hideous. The things people do to their fellows is totally appalling. Such an unbelievably large number of people throughout the ages suffering such hideous torment. And this was only one of so many disgusting things we've done to each other. I struggle to understand how truly wicked many people have been and must still be today. It's
....I don't have the words to describe my feelings. This hideous death was how humans treated Jesus, the man that God sent to save us all. And this was how he suffered! ? Unbelievable yet it happened. Him, and the multitude of others,! I'm aghast at the cruelty of humanity. Yet we can be forgiven? How incredible God is, when so many humans have been so terrible. I still struggle to understand the enormity of it all. I doubt I ever will in this life at least.
@@tonybarnes3658 Yet Jesus only suffered a few hours. He didn't linger for days like many others did. Apparently, this was long enough in God's eyes to atone for sin--but only for those who believe in him. The rest of us poor slobs--well, an eternity of suffering apparently is not long enough to satisfy God. No forgiveness for us, ever. No matter what we did or how we lived our lives. But say the magic words and six hours of Jesus' suffering is sufficient to cover everything. You could be the absolute worst human being that ever did whose life had no redeeming value to any of your fellow humans, the kind of person that other people rejoice when they hear of your death, but should you turn to Jesus in the hour of your death, paradise is yours!
Its nice how your title accomodates the sadists among us. "Its grisleyer and more painful than previously imagined in ways you never dreamed." You guys are cool about the marginalised and the pariahs in the world. 🍷🤠
Great channel keep it up! Subbed.
@@Alice-oq4jm thank you - will do!
Great quality. You're built for this!
Too kind!
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Great video. I subbed. Hope you get more soon. :) Greetings from Finland.
Thanks for the sub!
Humans are such a humane species!
Inhumane
@@Barnabas45 The truly appalling truth is that almost all of the important inventions that humanity has come up with, have been the result of war. Better ways to kill each other, better ways to prevent our friends and families from getting killed , better Medicean and surgeries to repair battle wounds. First flint then copper, bronze and iron. The wheel, flight rockets………The spin-offs from our addiction to murderous technology, spilled off into agriculture and all else. Makes you think doesn’t it? And to think that we use “ humanity “ as a synonym for kindness!!!
Hello from Calgary, Alberta Canada! Great video, keep up the good work!
The human capacity for cruelty is insanely scary to me.
Really good vid. Keep it up, you'll go far 👍
Thanks, will do!
The breaking of legs was not done out of pity but was done for reasons of expediency. A person taking days to die would create delays.
@@applin121 just when you think it can't get worse haha
@@JakeAtFlashback the Romans were nothing if not practical, and if things went wrong the soldiers responsible for the executions could find themselves in extremely hot water.
And I think that when the guards got bored they would expedite the poor bloke's unalivement.
In the picture in 1:06 his leg bones were not broken.
Maybe they broke only the knees, not much power needed, and it would had the same effect that they can't stretch their legs any more.
@@duudsuufd The leg bones, would not have to be broken if they could be certain that the condemned man was actually dead. Hence the use of a spear to Christs side ( hart) to prove, and insure, that he really was, actually dead, and not in a coma. The report of “blood and water” coming from the wound being acceptable proof positive, that they had stabbed a corpse.
This may also have something to do with the Jewish laws of animal sacrifice, when it is not allowable that any bones of a sacrificial animal be broken, before or during, the sacrifice.
As Christs death on the cross was considered the ultimate sacrifice. Of Jesus the man, to god The Father and God sacrificing His Son to redeem mankind.. Which is why Christian’s do not sacrifice animals.
I’m actually wondering whether the crucifixion process always involved scourging with a flagellum and the use of nails. For one, how could a condemned man be tortured to the near point of death and then still be made to carry the crossbeam to the place of his execution? And nails were made of iron, which was a costly metal in those days. I know that they were often re-used. Anyway, it was a horrific way to die.
I knew some, but not all, of the details you've given (My late Dad was an Anglican/Episcopalian priest) but I've never had such a complete picture as you've given. A truly horrifying way to die!
yep doesn't get much worse!
Thanks for the comment!
What? No BS...No overwhelming stupid music...No AI...No clickbait...Straight to the point and short?...I didn't think that there was still such a thing on YT, Thank you.
No,
Thank you!
So for all the reasons that John could not be able to fight back, I would like to think that he wouldn't even have the strength even stand let alone carry part of the cross?
The human body has a limit
Congrats on creating an interesting presentation!!
However, most individuals died from being unable to breath because of lack of blood flow to the lungs and heart.
How would one be able to carry a wooden cross
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You got another subscriber !! 🙏❤️🙏
Happy to add your channel to my subs, good video, keep it up
Much appreciated!
great video sir :)
glad you enjoyed!
Don't commit the crime if you can't do the time!!!
You obviously forget that the most famous victim of crucifixion was utterly innocent, more innocent than anyone ever was.
@@mirnacudiczgela1963 Tell that to the 6,000 crucified on the Appian Way after the conclusion of Third Servile War~
Many innocent men women and children were killed this way, the most famous is Jesus Christ.
@@matthewmatt5285 I don't deny that.
Excellent job!
great video sir
Great video. Subbed dude! 👍🏻
@@doctoruttley means more than you think - thank you!
respect brother 🫡
The apostle John was the only disciple who wasn't Martyred. John ended the rest of his life as a prisoner on the Greek Island of Patmos. There Jesus appeared to him and together they wrote the final book of the New Testament, which is the Book of Revelation...The Bible doesn't say how John died, but certainly not by crucifixion.
@benjaminfalzon4622 this isn't the biblical John.
There is more to world history than just the bible
@@JakeAtFlashbackNot all world history has credibility, just like this video, What a load of BS.
@benjaminfalzon4622 it amazes me that even though your faith recommends compassion, you choose to be rude.
The history and research behind this video is sound. I was a history teacher for 4 years.
You're just annoyed because you think I'm talking about the bible, when I'm not - and never said I was.
@@JakeAtFlashback Faith is one thing, compassion is another. I'm not annoyed at all, you can say whatever you like, as most fools do...
Did your parents teach you to be rude like this, or did you learn it from your bible?
Great video!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video! Horrific topic - wow, bloody people.
“Crucifixion’s a doddle…”
Fantastic 👌 Subscribed 💪🏻
Thank you! Cheers!
This is what our Blessed Lord endured to pay for our sins.
Lol what nonsense. Please try thinking.
@@MrAuskiwi101 Ohhhhh. Let me do that.....I'm thinking, hold on......ohhhhh.....still thinking........ok, I have decided.
Thank you. You're so smart. Your deep and insightful comment of "Please try thinking," has helped me immensely. I don't know what I would do without the perspicacious wisdom you've imparted on me.
Your "lolc" also shamed me and really prompted me to look with faith on your words "Please try thinking." Without that FAITH that what you are saying is absolutely true (with no other evidence), I would have never have tried thinking. So, thank you again. I will certainly put my FAITH in You instead of 2,000 years of great theological saints such as Thomas Aquinas, Augustine, Theresa of Avila, and Catherine of Siena.
You saved me.
@titomontes9670 please try thinking is very pertainant advice.
Besides childish sarcasm you offer nothing of substance to back up any god/jesus claim.
You're running from responsibility as your type always does.
Let me know when you find the courage to question your nonsensical beliefs in the light of logic reason and history. Thanks.
@@MrAuskiwi101 It's "pertinent" not "pertainant." Try thinking about your spelling and grammar. You come off as very unintelligent and hypocritical.
I will not offer any substance because I do not cast pearls before swine. Nothing could be told to you. Besides, you offer nothing of substance yourself. All you offer are labels. Again a hypocrite; demanding substance when offering none of their own.
According to the quality of this video, one would think you'd have a "K" after your channel's subcount. Anyway, earned +1 sub from me!
@@Jeejeetyyppi123 I'll take it!
Thanks for the kind words
Your channel was recommended by UA-cam and you definitely have a new subscriber. I’m pleased you don’t use AI
Thank you, I appreciate the kind words!
The hanging frames resembled telephone poles more than they resembled crosses. And sometimes, when the charge was _crimen maiestas_ (crime against the majesty of Rome, i.e., treason, sedition, and/or insurrection) the frame was a _tota crux:_ a cross or transomed pole with a _sedile_ that was equipped with an _acuta crux_ or pointed peg, astride of which the suspended individual would be seated.
I think you can figure out what that meant. Was it applied in Judea? Perhaps not; otherwise the locals would have been very offended!
Sorry, what does that mean?
@@bristoled93 You posted you question 2 months ago and I just got notified today by YT. 🫤 Any way here's the answer: 👇
It means that criminals who committed Crimes against the State and condemned to crucifixion were not just nailed up, they "rode" (cough) the peg. Seneca the Younger quoting Maecenas and responding to him says it best in Moral Epistles 101.10:14:
"'Go ahead, you may nail me up and set for my seat the point of the cross!' Is it worth while to press one's own wound and hang impaled on a gibbet, in order to postpone something which is the balm of troubles, the end of punishment?"
In case you didn't get the point, Justin Martyr also talks about the peg, or "riding point" of the cross which he describes as a Monokeratos 🦏 (rhinoceros) horn in his Dialogue with Trypho 91.1-2:
"... and one in the middle which looks like a horn and even projects like a horn, on which "ride" those who are crucified/crucifying themselves..."
There. I think I have made it sufficiently explicit.
@@EdwardM-t8p If I understand correct, that would mean they were impaled instead of just hung?
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@@missydebby Thanks Debby!
I would think the licktors would be in trouble if they killed you. Thier job was for you to live for crucifixion?
I've always wondered about the shape of the cross.
It seems illogical, time consuming and silly to make make all sorts of scarf cuts in the wood to fit a cross piece, thus making the traditional cross. It seems to me that just a T would be so much simpler, and logically, an "X" shape would be much easier and less labor intensive.
Are there any archeological proof of the shape of the cross?
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It’s been suggested that the cross was a T shape with the I of the T partly buried in the ground with a narrow part on the top and the prisoner would be tied to the crossbeam which had a hole to fit tightly into the narrow part of the upright.
@@alexbowman7582 Knowing human foibles and propensity to do lousy jobs fast and easy, my guess is that it was a T or an X. The only reason we think of a christian cross is because of Hollywood.
I can't imagine the mind(s) that came up with this.
Crucifiction is a doddle
It's not as bad as something I just thought up...
You're weird. 😜
Very good. Subbed.
@@FelixstoweFoamForge appreciated! Thanks alot!
The pits of human beings can do.
How is it that the hands would bare the weight of the body if the feet are nailed to the cross?
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But there are more painful deaths that take much longer. Still, I am grateful for Christ's gift.
The weight of our sins was the difference
It doesn't really sound like your grateful... you were hoping Jesus was tortured even more? How much have you sinned?!😅
A toffee apple? 🍎
Well made clip !!
Glad I wasn't there at the time !!!
😂
Thanks!
Me too!
Eh it would be an entertaining watch
The asphyxiation part as primary cause of death has apparently been discredited in 2023 after analysis of medical literature.
@@pacovl46 oh really? That's interesting!
What did that analysis conclude the primary cause of death to be?
@JakeAtFlashback my previous statement, as well as the reasons listed below, are all from the Wikipedia page on crucifixion. I haven't fact checked it, though.
There is scholarly support for several possible non-asphyxiation causes of death: heart failure or arrhythmia, hypovolemic shock, acidosis, dehydration, and pulmonary embolism. Death could result from any combination of those factors, or from other causes, including sepsis following infection due to the wounds caused by the nails or by the scourging that often preceded crucifixion, or from stabbing by the guard.
They did a test, though, where they bound someone to a cross with his arms stretched out at a 60 to 70 degree angle and hey had no trouble breathing at all, but there's some debate about how their feet were placed in that test, apparently it wasn't exactly like on a cross. So that might have had an effect on their possibility to breathe normally.
if there was a foot rest on the cross it wouldnt be as bad than if there wasnt one also i believe the brazen bull death is worse than a crucifixion that has a foot rest
I tend not to think about it.
Was it more painful than being set on fire by your loving father for eternity???
@@I9IIEIIYIIEIIS check our video on Dantes Inferno and decide for yourself!
Excruciating.
Latin root meaning out of the cross.
Cross was so reviled by Rome itself it was much like the C word of today.
I have a doctorate in philosophy and theology... not that it matters but I have done hundreds of hours of reading regarding crucifixion...
It's just so perfectly sadistic...
Once the ulnar is ruptured... and the spike is hammered through the wrist ( specifically the space of destot a cartilage in the wrist) it causes debilitating heat to transverse the arms.. same as the planter nerve rupture in the foot.
Jesus died in modern terms of a pericardial rupture due to the spear...
My blessed savior wept in gethsemane... poured blood for our forgiveness...
Great video sir
Glad you enjoyed!
Your comment is really insightful!
I did my dissertation in the philosophy of religion too!
What was your area of research? (Mine was Problem of Evil)
Just by the title alone I can say WRONG. I know exactly how bad crucifixion is. There are medical videos out that explain it in great detail.
Thanks mate
@@JakeAtFlashback your welcome.
Humans at their very worst. How could they do this?
I guess prison for breaking the law isn't so bad these days.