Was what happened at 1122 King Road CARTEL related?
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
- Remember the normal motivators for murder:
Money
Drugs
Sex/Love/Jealousy
Revenge
Mental illness
What catergory would YOU place BK in IF he’s your guy!?
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I will never forget the recording of Kaylee saying to Maddie, "Maddie what did you say to Adam" and Maddie replying, "I told him everything", to which Jack S said "They're going to get you for this Maddie". He did not say he or she, but they as in it was a collective of people.
Drugs being the motive behind these murders is definitely plausible in this case, especially considering how brutal the murders were, it could be someone wanting to send a message. If Bryan was involved (innocent until proven guilty), I don't think he acted alone.
And SG allegedly said "THEY" didn't have to go up stairs.
Who is Adam?
@@hpotter2954 Adam, as far as I know, was a friend of Maddie's and Kaylee. He also worked as a bartender in the Corner Club, which was the venue they visited on the night, before they were unfortunately murdered.
Fake. Lots of people trying to make money without working.
There seems to be something big missing from the entire story. This is too brutal to be a crime of passion. Not an amateur job.
I feel the same
There is something big missing.
@@REALHARSH good evening HR 9.45 pm east coast of OZ. I was listening to a segment with Vinnie on court tv and listening to Steve G Allegedly say he believes they have the right person?
Crimes of passion are often the MOST brutal... 🤔
Totally Not an Amateur Job!!!
Harsh, this is by FAR your best video on this case! You made so many cogent and thought provoking points. Well done, sir 👏 👏👏
Hi Harsh.. if you remember I've said from the beginning my opinion that possibly a drug cartel retaliation or a gang related incident. Especially when Maddie made the comment that she told Adam "everything" and the response was " they're going to get you for that!"
They are going to get you for that, meaning anyone, could be the frat guys across the street, could be the cartel, that is an open response because they could be anyone. Not trying to sound mean or nasty here, just we dont know who the they are.
@@donnafox8885 true. Plus are we even sure that’s what was spoken? Although there was rumors that Maddie was upset with someone in the house about drugs but I’m really exhausted from all the rumors.
** NOTE that I said possibly...
@@DannaK247 Yes you did, I understand that, and with others saying something on others posts about Maddie and Kaylee and that conversation, I wasnt saying you were wrong, I was just meaning if that was what was actually said, who are they. Could have been the Cartel, the frat boys across the street, thats been a subject brought up many times what did that conversation mean. Who was going to get her for that?
@donnafox8885 That response right there sounds like reasonable doubt 🤷🏽♀️
Cartel/dealer issue could explain both the fear of the two surviving girls and their not calling police for many hours but calling male friends to help them out.
Chump change for cartel..why bother.
@@matildagreene1744 we don't know all the details. Keep that in mind.
@@matildagreene1744 Kaylee has just purchased a Land Rover in CASH. As reported early on.
What college students pay CASH for a Land Rover????
They're 60k and more even used.
Explain that to me.
@@Ty91681 One whose parents are doing well.
@@Ty91681 EVERYONE should keep that in mind. Not much has been released though tons of 'creative short stories' are circulating as if this horrific crime was a Netflix special. 😳
Thank you for sharing my video and considering this angle Harsh! I appreciate your open-mindedness yet practical and realistic perspective so much, you’ve become part of my daily routine. Cheers! ☕️
@ True Crime Design "obsessed with the truth" awesome, me too. I'm going to your channel Now
I think it is interesting that Etans family never mentions Xana. She was his girlfriend. I have a feeling they didn’t like her.
I thought that
So true bet you are correct
Very early on I recall reading Ethan's parents were not thrilled with him dating Xana.
A lot of people discourage the kind of online skin sharing and sexy photos that these girls posted too. I suspected Ethan’s family hold some resentment which is a natural stage of grief. Ethan it does seem was at risk only due to his association with the girls at the house
Remember, she has 2 other children that attend this university.
I wish someone would get more info from Adam re what "everything" was!
Yes....ditto!!!
@@susana2007 Absoultley, that Jack saying allegedly "Adam knows everything and they're going to get you for this " as he was walking Kaylee and Maddie to the grub truck , was it Kaylee he was referring to! ?
Yes it’s driving me nuts, watch it be Maddie just wanting Adam to talk to his roommate Jack to get back with Kaylee. It sounded more serious to me but who knows.
He still works at the Corner Club... We could hold a bake sale on this channel to raise $ to get him to talk.
@@shirleylegare7899 They played video game all night. That means they had not slept all night.
I am shocked at how many people don’t realize that every university/university town has drug problems. When I attended many year’s ago drugs were readily available from several dealers that lived in my dorm. A friend’s son went to college and got hooked on cocaine. She blames the school. I actually laughed because she truly thinks that it’s the schools responsibility to police the dorms and other student housing accommodations. No. It is up to parents to teach our children the consequences of poor choices.
The University IS liable. And it’s tied to their “bottom line”. 💯💯💯 Appearances are EVERYTHING. $$$ 👍🇺🇸
@Denise Yes! What is important is image, being an attractive school for high school graduates to check out. Some moms & dads will come along to check out the school, the Greek culture, the sports, the facilities, the reputation of the quality of 'student life' in and around the campus. Is it a party school or more of a scholastic achievement atmosphere. These factors mean a lot to families. Schools know that they will be compared to other schools. They want the smartest, most successful, and most ambitious freshmen and they want the image that will attract those young people. They certainly don't want a druggy O.D. excessive partying image.
I blame the colleges they have an obligation to keep your kids som what safe while on that campus. Thst's like saying rape. Is your child's fault because a parent did not tell you watch for it? Nah don't agree with that
Or they just don't want to admit it to themselves that that's the case, because they didn't have issues with it, or their kid didn't, or their kid didn't tell them about it (😂). But, I will say, not every campus has a widespread drug problem, or substances that are so easy to find and to access that you could easily get addicted and stay addicted without leaving the vicinity. There might be one or two groups, and a person or three here and there, who partake, but it's not that common for student housing to be holding an amount so large or a type so potent and a reputation so questionable that it would be no surprise that they'd OD and die.
What I'm getting at is, while it's not uncommon for college kids to do party drugs, the extents being portrayed/suspected aren't actually all that common. If we tell ourselves that it's abnormal, we're kidding ourselves- but if we tell ourselves that it's normal, then we're also kidding ourselves. At the end of the day, yes, people need to realize that these things exist, and that while they don't exist to this extent at every campus, they're still not too difficult to come across- at least, not difficult enough for it to be considered "absurd" to think that drugs may have played a role here, whether directly or indirectly.
People also should realize just how little it can take for someone who feels like you screwed them over, to make you pay the price through your family members or acquaintances or assets, or even through innocent bystanders.. and that yes, those people typically are gang or Cartel or whatever related, and that yes, those things exist beyond Netflix, and the potential for their existence doesn't just extend to any other town except for your own.. they gotta be somewhere, so why not where you are? Why is it so hard to believe? The truth can be a horribly scary thing.
@@multiverser9585 💯💯💯💯💯💯
Even if its just a dollar, these organisations understand a precedent. I think the amount is irrelevant and this scenario is possible.
Actually, making the wrong facial expression, or guutteral, audible response can get you popped? Didn't you watch any movies? In my experience, these movies are not so far from the truth.
@@kellydean3497 Probably, my point is that reputation is everything in bussines and that includes the drugtrade. Theft no matter how small cant go unpunished.
OMG thank you so much for this video!!!!! I have been saying this from the beginning, and I appreciate someone finally supporting my theory!!!!!❤ Also I am Sick of people telling me to leave the " poor survivors alone" HORSESHIT They were Clearly involved.
I agree with you! I've been saying this also
Harsh - you might find this particularly interesting. I learned through my research that the Sinaloa Cartel smuggles drugs into Idaho via US Route 95, which passes directly through Moscow. Interestingly, 95 connects right to Truckee, California. Route 95 turns into I-80 in Nevada, which takes you to Reno and into good ole Truckee 🚩
They also use the same pathway through Montana up to Missoula to Billings, Utah and into Colorado into the Dakotas. I think it all starts in Canada.
This could explain why BF is too afraid to go back to Moscow, no reason to be scared of the right person is in jail
That’s what I said. Why she scared now? She wasn’t too scared to go get a tattoo
If you read comments in Harsh's shows, I mention folks in protective custody and organized crime activity because it happened to my family.
100% she is not affraid to talk to Brians lawyers bc Brian is the monster.. she is affraid because its drugs and drug cartel.. and she likely is told not to talk about it. yet the truth has to come out.
EXACTLY what I thought!
(Graphic content warning) The article added that the weapon could have been anything from a sword to a dirk. Something that sharp, with as many times the object(s) cut, there would have been metal trace evidence in tissue or especially embedded in bone. Not in every cut, but something sharp enough for what it was used for has a very thin edge that would “wear” off onto especially bone. If the lab can collect trace touch dna, the lab can extract trace metals for analysis from wounds. They may even be able to detect what kind of material was used to sharpen the knife. Not being able to find the knife doesn’t mean there’s not actual specific’s that forensic investigators can’t gain. All metals have a type of “dna” as well.
Did you forget the lab in Idaho found nothing on the knife sheath. They say they found trace dna on the sheath after they sent it to a start up small lab in Texas…Can you even trust that??? That right there throws the whole dna up in the air! It was used to arrest BK but now won’t be used for the trial……WHAT….
They have a mineral or meterial signal specific to them... but that wouldn't stand up in court...it wouldn't even makenit to court and regardless; is irrelevant without the knife.
@@DuffMan. it does matter if they don’t have metal that matches the K-bar sheath. Prosecution who is really seeking justice would have already found out where the steel came from. Mineral composition registration of metals used for all deadly weapons should have a database for instances like this. Knives, bullets anything also used for foul play. Fairness doesn’t make the government money though. A fraction of evidence here and there equals something resembling actuality.
I don’t want to sound ignorant so I apologize if I do. Are they certain the KaBar is the murder weapon? Or do they assume because of the sheath? The autopsies should have shown the type of weapon. If not then the sheath may. It even be from the knife used.
@@Hema1400just so I’m reading you correct you’re saying metals due to their natural composition will leave behind its own version of dna? And that law enforcement has a working list of say hunting and military issue knives?
That’s very interesting and the first I’ve heard anyone bring it up
There are so many unknowns about this case at this point and I don't think anything can be ruled out yet.
Everyone who thinks they know is fooling themselves. We don't know. It doesn't add up. Even if it was BK acting alone, I think there are pieces that will be revealed that shock us.
The first comments from people this area spoke about drugs being involved long before Bryan was mentioned!
They did indeed
Precisely. Think protection of students and University.
Can’t have a drug problem and cartel problem and still get new students in the university, that’s damaging to their funds.
The city/college Needs revenue, I mean Students
@@REALHARSH Can defense insist on victims having a toxicology report to see their levels of drugs? would be interesting to find out. // so far i think there was no requests or reports that toxicology was done..
Really thought it was drug related
Agreed 💯
Could be that Bryan is freaked out over the possibility of cartel response to him. It would explain why he supports the gag order, wants to ban cameras in the courtroom, and hasn't provided an alibi yet.
The killings words in response to BK… the killings were in response to the victims families and of course, anyone else in town who dares considers to be a rat.
This would 100% make sense why he wanted his Dad there with him ASAP to ride back with him as well.
@Exodus 20:13 thats why he asked his father to come along he was scared
@Exodus 20:13 yep. I believe Right after Kopacka was killed Brian kohlburger got the eff outta dodge
Prison life is all about the gangs.
This is what looking at a story from all angles looks like and I appreciate you, Harsh, so much for taking absolutely everything into consideration.
If we focus just on one thing, we aren't using our whole mental capacity.
Truth can be crazier than fiction. But it can also be basic af.
Thank you Harsh! I have been commenting this in absolutely EVERY channel I watch and I was ignored. When I woke up this morning and saw this as your subject I thought I died and went to heaven!
I actually don't have the time to go deep into my comment until later, but Thank You a million times Harsh.
Real quick people - As a person who's family had dealings with organized crime, it is real - in more incarnations than you can imagine.
Be back shortly.
No rush, I will be here !
Jealousy is not the case here ... there's too many other connections that are being ignored; seemingly by intention.
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@@annaelisa6903 the one Harsh just put out ...
Duh!
Sorry. Be kind.
Great video Mr Harsh!
@@galesauer9145 What??? I answered the question. What is rude about that?
Drugs most likely played a part - IMO!! The theory you're discussing makes sense. The audio caught on the video, "I told Adam everything... they're gonna get you..." could tie into it in some way. Someone else pointed out, Ethan's mom didn't mention Xana at all. It could mean nothing. But it could mean a lot! Look at how Kaylee's parents spoke of Jack. You would think Ethan's mom would have said something about the loss of her, even that they were together at the moment it happened. It makes me wonder if she/they know, or feel, (even just based on Xana's mom's history), that she might be the reason this happened. But she clearly doesn't live a life with ANY negativity, and would never speak on the subject publicly, if that's how she feels.
I was also thinking pretty much the same thing
Iv a strong feeling "they are goin to get you for this" ties into this somehow Kirsten
@@Ken_Dalton me too... because that's just not something you rat someone out on. As the saying goes, and I don't mean to be cruel, "snitches get stitches"... but in case, much worse.
I thought the same thing.
@@Ken_Dalton to me it hold the key
Anything is possible….I saw where the 2 were arrested and then plea deals done…this case is crazy!!! I still believe whatever was told to Adam is a big key, but what do I know!
What ever Maddie told Adam when they were walking to the truck Kaylee got a text and she asked Maddie what did you tell Adam and she said I told him everything. I just thought about it how did that guy know what she told Adam. Because he said they will get you for that. Kaylee or Maddie didn't say what was said. Did he get a text too. I have a feeling it was about the drugs. By the time they got home they were dead by 3:00 or 4:00 . And I have a feeling that Jack (Kaylee) x knew what was said to Adam and he could of saved them he wouldn't answer the phone.
Also, I’m pretty sure I saw a video where a plea deal was mentioned to Emma & Demetrius
I've always felt drug selling/use has a lot more to do with these murders than the Police are letting on. I enjoy hearing your opinions for sure. Thanks -
I mean..... the problem is the idea presented in this video is crazy speculation.
Theres nothing behind the idea of it being drug related. Let alone where he takes it with cartels.
@Jim Bob You are aware that 1122 King Road is the known drug house, right? I understand there's a ton of info we're not privy to right now. Ask yourself why? Because there's a drug cartel behind this & some of the kids are scared to death to talk because of what happened to those who did speak out. I'm not saying I believe BF & DM are innocent. They know a lot more than we do. Time will tell & let's hope LE is clean & has more than enough evidence & the prosecution can put together a solid case. But from this perspective, we just don't know enough, do we? Seriously, do we know enough? All I know is nobody can rule out the drug cartel, money laundering, etc., especially with more than 50 FBI agents already in little old Moscow, Idaho PRIOR to Nov 13th. They were working to bust it up. Sadly, not soon enough..
Dayum Harsh! I had no idea how many people do not like other theories other than BK did it!! I love that you keep “ innocent until PROVEN guilty. The fact that there are so many that don’t want to believe that there were drugs in that house have closed their eyes and in denial. Carry on and good morning🙂. BTW…. Guns make noise
While this cartel idea is speculatory, it makes more sense than a jealous rage. There's way more going on here than any of us know. Is it true that Xana talked to her dad about midnight? Who changed the lock on the house? Thanks for all that you do Harsh!
Even the change of locks makes you wonder why IF they all got on so well
Yes, we obviously do not know or have enough evidence, the public at least, to convict BK and this scenario makes much more sense....we can't give up....students that lived there and were called know at least bits and pieces.....
I always say if you want to prove someone guilty try to prove them innocent. Now obviously there are times when it’s too obvious but in this case there’s just too many questions.
Harsh, do you have an email ? I have a photo I’ve been holding on to and I’d like to send it.
@@REALHARSH the timing of the lock change coincided with the plea deal did it not?
I don't put much faith in the cartel angle, though in a lot of ways it makes more sense than a lot of the other scenarios.
Xana's father is the one who insisted on coming and changing the lock before this happened but it seems they rarely locked the door. Also, Xana's mom is the one involved heavily in a drug problem.
We might not know what it is yet but there's something very wrong with Idaho vs. Kohberger.
Yep he is an 'Outsider' hasn't lived there his whole life. I live in a village with that mentality of throwing them under the bus to protect the locals, even if they're drug dealers, cartel!!!
Initially I thought, “No way this was drug related! And definitely not a cartel type situation” but the more we learn, the thought isn’t that far fetched..
1- Xana being the target?
2- the fight E & X got in at the party?
3- the fact it appears X family is not talking with the other families
4- the comment made by LE that there would be a “danger” To the public
5- Maddie telling Adam “Everything”
6- Cara’s connections to drugs
7- The Fact that Cara took off immediately after being released from jail
8- The horrific Way this crime was committed! 4!!???
9- BK may have owed some money or had a debt to pay back. He may have been summoned to “Pay it back by helping in this” (speculation)
10- the fact that NO ONE is talking!!!!(even LE)
11- The multiple “suspicious” deaths surrounding that area
12- The Emma & D connection to that house/ those people
13- Adam DEFINITELY knows more
14- Jack S Comment “they are going to get you for this”…. And then his immediate disappearance
The nature of this crime! How brutal and senseless… does feel like a hit type of crime
Especially the fact EVERYONE on campus knew hours before and the fact Dylan didn't call the police tells me FEAR.
Yes. The irony of something happening at the party between X and E and the statement Maddie made and then literally a few hours later they are violently killed? Why were the other two spared? So many questions need answering. I don’t know how anyone thinks this is a cut and dry case.
The single biggest clue is the delay in calling the police. They were doing something... Hiding something... Cleaning something up... Who knows
The range rover. Not a typical purchase for a student unless parents bought it
Maybe she got a signing bonus? Still.... My first thought was OF or narcotics profits ...
the audio from cams mentions that Kohberger & another male should 'go fu$& themselves'
as mentioned by an older male speaking outside 1122 that hour. Then there's Xana & her 'pact breaking' have no idea what that was, maybe allowing others in 1122 know or control flow of product or reveal person(s) involved? There is one cartel boss in there interviewing her, asking 'what's in the sack?' before Ethan is taken out by a crew. She says: 'Everything I'm due, Everything' before the midfloor attack. There is a toilet flush & someone being attacked upstairs at the same time. As though they're trying to mask the stabbing with the flush noise. Which leads me to Emma assisting in this act. Using her knowledge of 1122. And probably taking over Xana's distribution network.
Also…people say These girls were out of Bryan’s league…w/out being rude…Jack is not a looker, nor was Maddie’s BF and frankly as you get older, we tend to look for smarts/personality/future possibilities etc. from the outside, Bryan had an excellent future. He’s not hideous and he was clearly very smart
I appreciate your reasoning abilities when it comes to how you come to your conclusions. You are most fair and well thought out! 🙌
Nothing better than Mr. Harsh on a Monday morning 🌄
I've been waiting for you to discuss the Cartel theory. It all has to be investigated for the Truth to be known and Justice to be done. Hopefuly LE is leaving no stone unturned. Thank you, Harsh,...your reasoning is sound, and your professional approach to discussing this is appreciated.
They got their man so Fry says. Cops not looking at any One else. They have tunnel visiin single focused.
Money laundering, it was a drug house. Bk was happy to kill. He was full of rage.
Many corrupt LE in Idaho.
Must connect the dots... Hannah, 2 college kids that knew too much lost their lives, as well as the 4. Kaylee was the target, Maddie was in the way. Ethan and Zanaflex were at a party. Someone put a drug in his drink, became unwell. Zanaflex knew something weird was going on . They went somewhere, and the home
Prosecutor thumbs down.
This actually makes the most sense so far to me. I've felt that drugs has more to do with this brutal attack. And, what did Maddie tell Adam, which was everything, is all we know.
We know her make companion told her “They’re going to get you”
@@debragulbrand6296 and it plural, “they” are gonna get you. More than one.
Bk said... am I the only one arrested?..also.. why would a cartel hit leave witnesses?.. that's what is off
@@punky2022 IMO, he said that because a reasonable person would understand it seems like the job was too much for one person. IMO I don't think that's an odd response. Don't you think it's odd only one person was arrested?
I would like to know what was said and what she told him
Harsh, thanks for acknowledging that there are actual people watching you, and engaging your audience in a "kind way" . I have always maintained this was a drug hit, imo. Have a great day everyone!!
A few things that i remember that have always rubbed me the wrong way about the body cam footage from the different house calls for noise complaints etc back during the fall of 2022.
*One- they go to the guys house first for a noise complaint - (2 officers if memory serves me) then they randomly decide to walk down and over the hill to 1122 "just because".
They walk around back and knock at the sliding glass doors. Why?
One of the officers wonders around looking at the 3rd level balcony- commenting on it too i believe. One peers inside the glass doors. While they wait on KG to come out.
*Dude comes out with her with zip ties hanging from his wrists. Thats weird. What was going on in there and why leave them dangling and not completely remove them?
*Officer makes odd statement to KG about saving the money it would cost to pay for a noise complaint to use on "beer".
Another time 2 officers show up and knock at the bottom level door. One of them tried peeking into the curtains of the downstairs bedroom. ((Thats creepy af)).
On that same call one officer tells the other one to poor out the alcohol sitting there. They joke about how expensive it must have been.
The whole time the officer is standing out there waiting to talk to someone - someone else (not in uniform) is with him. Who was the man not in uniform hanging out with the cops whenever they went up to the 1122 king road house??? Why is it that cops are showing up there all the time for noise complaints but they are nowhere to be found (apparently) when 4 people are being harassed and ordered around and then stabbed to death???
Why dont they park at the 1122 king rd house on each visit? Why do they park down the road and walk there?
Why does it seem like the cops are the ones who cased that house?
I back the blue 💙 - but something rubs be wrong about the ones that frequented the 1122 king rd. In the months and weeks leading up to the murders.
The shake down gone wrong theory make most sense imo
Yes, once I saw that there was a plea deal with Xana's mom and Maddie's step-mom, which I had seen the linked video earlier this weekend, it made me sick to my stomach because I have the personal opinion that this was a hit to warn others what happens if you "rat" to the police. It is bad here, and getting worse. I live in DC, trust me, it is getting horrible. And Moscow is a hub for the Cartel, yes, the only logical scenario I can come up with. Thank you again for your thinking and allowance of all possibilities. But, thank you for keeping your streams respectful not only for the viewers but for the victims and families themselves!
Salute 🥃 You're on the right track. "Massacre to send a message " by true crime design lays out the alternate possibility that main stream wont touch. Stay safe keep digging ✌🏻
Thanks Harsh-EVERY Angle Must be studied Carefully!!! and two survivors, those students that came over and others know At Least Bits and Pieces of info that we don't know.....
I completely agree with you. It makes perfect sense. I have always thought that more than one person committed this horrific act. BK may still be innocent and just unlucky.
As someone who knows about this shit entirely too much because of family ties...I've been saying this for months. True crime design has been brilliant this entire time, along with Casper West and his research if his own. Obviously Lana is incredibly important in her detail findings. You Harsh are amazing at taking what seems to be SO OBVIOUSLY a possibility and making it brought to awareness. Your spot on!
Well hello there. IMO certainly more to this story. I have felt from day 1 drug related. The video of the girls walking to the grub track that “they will get you for this” IMO spoke volumes . A target attack? Oh yes 👍🏼
THEY WILL GET U FOR THIS AND THE SAME NITE ALL DEAD
Wondering if it would serve Moscow Idaho’s reputation better to say it was a lone incel who committed this crime rather than a town with a drug problem and university student’s involvement with big players in the drug trade?
Thank you Harsh for continuing to think outside the box and exploring all possibilities. There are still so many questions and complexities about this case. Yet experts like Ken Mains and several You Tubers come off as dismissive and almost disinterested at this point because they think the case is solved.
Great point! To me, that looks like they aren't 'doing their job'.
Ken needs another kewl tattoo. Right on his forehead, one that says: 'Wrong 1/2 time'
I absolutely agree! I thought the same thing! She was told not to call until…
Cartel likes guns. Knife is more personal. There are three questions that keep coming back to me. 1- When they are walking down the street and Kaylee asks Maddie what she told Adam and the boy said THEY are going to get you. Not he or she is going to get you. 2- When BK was arrested he said did you arrest anybody else. 3- Zana having her locks changed just a week or two before this happens. What went missing or stolen that was so valueable.
Knife is not always more personal. It could be used as a warning, because or noise, or to show power
@@Aromatic.Bleach It could be used as a warning is personal to show power is personal. Because of noise use a silencer because this was targeted and a gun is faster in and out.
Her dad said she had an argument with a guy.
@@tereseday4060 What dad and i hadn't heard that thank you
I also thought Bethany and Dylan got tattoos so that they wouldn’t look guilty, and I mean in a way of being a party to the execution of the roommate!
Having said that, I think we should refer to it from now on as an execution … it’s more than just a murder. It’s an execution.
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🙌thank you
The cartel hit makes a lot more sense than the PHD Teacher's assistant went rogue with no prior convictions. Especially with no prior relationship whatsoever with any of them. My first theory was cartel and I'm quickly going back in that direction.
I keep thinking it's very difficult for one man to kill four people with a knife in a very short period of time. Two of them being awake at the time with food just delivered and one a large and strong male. Just so many questions about it being one person as the killer.
A creepy assistant who had been reported by more than one woman to be unprofessional plus his attitude to HIS supervisor ..Yeah, Mr. Assistant got fired. It was probably part of a scholarship program so he was screwed w/ that part of his life. The cell forensics show him to be creeping around the crime scene before and after.
I have seen this info. There is speculation that the parents may have named some names and this was a retaliation hit. This is why I am starting to believe that Dylan and Bethany may have been threatened and were told to keep there mouths shut or else. This could explain the delay in the 911 call they had to get there stories straight and clean out anything incriminating against them
Dylan may have been told to tell police she saw a masked man with bushy eye brows
@@ThriveCollective1188 my thoughts exactly
I agree with more than half your points. When 2 family members are put in prison a few days either side of this crime is very telling to me. I still believe bryan is set up, but i do believe d and b were told not to call le or else. When you see that carnage your taking the point 💯
I agree there are still two issues
1-BK is being framed by law enforcement, so that has to be worked out in trial
LE so botched this up that I have no doubt he’ll be let go.
2- then what remains is who killed the Idaho for?
Of course I believe it’s the cartel as well .
But will a whole new investigation go out to find the killers ?
I’m late to this channel I know about XK mom but who is the other parent?
@@AnastasiaBeaverhausen969 MM’s stepmom I believe
Y’all, I’m the wife of an attorney who’s a staff attorney for the Department of Public Advocacy.
He’s defending countless clients over the span of 25 years so more.
My OWN son is currently incarcerated as well in the same state but a different county then my husband and I live.
So as a mother I refuse to pass judgment on anyone. I hope and pray as much as the complete truth as they know comes out at trial.
It’s sad that we as a country are leery of our own court system because of everything that’s been going on with these last couple Presidents.
So I choose to keep an open mind until after the trial.
I can’t even imagine the pain of loosing your grown child. My heart breaks for all of these families, including Bryan’s family.
Even if he’s found guilty everyone needs to understand that the rest of his family members shouldn’t be held accountable for what only one of them may have done that was wrong.
Never ever think that in a split second this kind of horror and pain would never involve your own family because it most certainly happens!!
You're a rational & analytical man. Fair-minded. I'm glad you are on the side of truth, & not on the 'bandwagon'- because the wheels won't fall off of the truth- but they fast fall off a bandwagon.
Cartel involvement would also explain why so many people were cleared so fast or not even spoken to and that the roommates are actually afraid for their lifes. Also it could havejust been a single issue with the big drug bosses for this to happen. I rarely heard that gangs or cartels give second chances or accept apologies/mistakes.
@@user-cd6xp5lk4c wow rude ? for no reason?
and seems like u leave a lot of angry bitchy comments, maybe read the harsh reality‘s guidelines for the comment section again
This was a warning. Nothing to do with jealousy, sex or stalking!
I agree 100%! Not sexual in any nature! could of been done by a woman who was humiliated by these mean girls. I am a retired PI, and although these girls were provocative, the killer had ABSOLUTELY NO SEXUAL MOTIVE.
Next subject to bring out is the sneakers on the wire. This is a gang warning for a snitch. If anyone's going to bring that up, Harsh will.
Thank you Harsh... When I brought this up, I was attacked viciously by another content creator. I did my own video about this Saturday night. My channel isn't a true crime channel but a spiritual channel. However, I have degrees in sociology and criminal justice. The way these kids were slaughter sounds like the cartel. My God, I had so many people being downright closed minded! America needs to wake up. America is being invaded by these animals! peroid
Absolutely, I don't blame the kids.. All the points that were made have also been made by yours truly! Hugs harsh! We cannot let this case go cold. We need a plan B is all I'm saying. Just in case Bryan ain't the guy. This trial is going to be epic.
Thank you Blue Flame! I had the same reaction since I've been commenting with this since DEcember! Where have you been? I support your thoughts.
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Well considering my thoughts usually offend people. I've had videos taken down by UA-cam for misinformation, only to be found 100 percent correct 2 years later. 😂 UA-cam doesn't like my thoughts . 😂 but thank you. My channel is extremely controversial and is not a true crime channel. However, thank you for thinking outside tbe box ... Those who resonate with me haven't had their penile gland calcified. Thank you for appreciating my thoughts.
@@Blueflameintegration Thank you!
I looked up your channel and I subscribed, because I am really into that type of thing as well. And I am not well received in general usually. I am also friends with Laura Eisenhower. Do you know her? We should really talk sometime you seem like a really cool lady! 😻❤️
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I've heard of Laura Eisenhower.. She's extremely intellectual and I appreciate her being so open. She is much more compassion than I am to trolls. 😂😂😂
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Thank you for subbing. I haven't come on much lately because I'm in tbe midst of a shift taking place.. I'll be on to do a reading at some point soon. 🙂🙂
Thank you for bringing all this info here for us!
Something you just said triggered another thought in my mind: the cops on scene possibly recognized one of the victims and made the connection to her mom, triggering the ‘targeted’ comment.
This is like an open forum brain storm session !! Lol
I have thought this was the case the whole time. Maybe someone in the house was selling and another one didn't like it. So the one that didn't like it disposed of a large amount drugs which got the other in trouble. So they went in and took care of both of them. The other two were just there.
If that happens usually they just want their $$, a dealer is a dealer for $$. You can’t get that from the dead. This house might have had party drugs sometimes but the Cartel? Come on their kids
@Kath A Roo I have also thought of it that way. I guess we will all find out when the trial starts! Going to be interesting. Usually, law enforcement will not arrest in a case like this unless they're almost 99% sure they have enough evidence. Because if they arrest someone without enough evidence, it gets ugly and fast!!!!!!
Naivete ' .
It appears you know nothing about the cartel!! Or gangs even! They 100% will kill people over money!
kinda fits. But which female got every facial bone shattered? That alone says special treatment. Extra effort. Someone in this house was too clever by 1/2. And paid.
Would love to see where the European Vacay/Used Rover down payment/boutique doggy money came from. No chick with a Gerneral studies Degree gets signing bonus. Please.
I also suspect she's the one with the broken face. No open coffin funeral for that one. Why?
I seen this video from TCD yesterday & the amount of drugs through idaho is nuts..
To me, this makes more sense than a lone wolf going in to do this...
This seemed like a message...
Horrific as it sounds.
Chaos Sector also dropped another videos today showing how Bryan Kohberger is being framed!!
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Thank you for bringing up chaos sector I heard it last night. It is great. I sure hope Harsch knows about chaos sector, and listens to not only last nights, but previous ones as well. - he should like it because they’re very much so let’s get to the meat and potatoes of things!!!!
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Yes, indeed.
Chaos is brilliant & their no nonsense approach & cartoony things are funny 😂
Thank you for replying.
So kind 🙏🏽🥰🙏🏽
Harsh has got one of the coolest personalities as a presenter. His opening is always uplifting and funny.
I saw a video recently where the man explains how when he was younger he "accidentally" got involved with some cartel. It is so easy to see how young people can make a decision or two and find themselves in deeper than the meant to be.
Yes, students want easy money but then their lives are extinguished easily once the students become involved.
Go back to the very first day. Why were there shoes hanging from the power lines right in front of 1122. I didn’t see any other lines with shoes.
Was the shoes the “mark” of the house for someone coming by?
Shoes on power line is a common sign indicating that a drug house is nearby...
@@Truth.Seeker926 it was a popular thing of the 80’s.
So theoretically, someone in their 40s and above would have taught the kids that. 🤔
For all we know their childhood homes could have had them too.
@@user-pj1zm7gk7b I said that as well but going back to day one…. Only ONE pair of shoes on ONLY one line? Tons of other houses and lines all over. Not one anywhere else around except for in front of 1122.
Also … shoes on the line for kids not into the drug lifestyle would be celebrating an achievement by throwing shoes up on the lines.
It was November on a Sunday morning. No celebrations were going on.
@@user-pj1zm7gk7b also…. Being that it became common, dealers really don’t stand out like a sore thumb because everyone is doing it. My attitude would be it would take more time for them to investigate shoes than catch me.
In that case… the shoe type, the color of the bottoms, the color of the laces, etc would be something that would set the shoes apart from others also stating you are at a hot house.
I knew someone in college that was at the bottom of the ladder. Buying weed and some other little stuff.. mushrooms, etc. Got introduced to some higher ups on the ladder. An undercover agent approached him (after he got busted for weed) and kind of threatened him to talk or else. He finally snitched and was scared for his life after that. These things do happen. ❤
Becki, you're so young to be such a genius 😂
@@matildagreene1744 lol .. not in college anymore .. whew 😅
It happened to kohberger maybe.
@@andrews527 or maybe to one of the roommates.. who knows. All I know is, you talk, you better watch your back.
Thats how it works. The lower level dealers get cought and they threaten you to rat out the people above you. Those "higher ups" still could be removed numerous times frim the actual "source" though.
so many rabbit holes..... no one will know until the trial, and that might not be proven either....SMH
GOOD MORNING MR. HARSH☀
So many indeed Shirry
The amount of people in the comments who REALLY think this was a cartel hit is wild. This isn't a movie. Cartel's are at the HIGHEST levels of distribution. These kids (or their parernts) would've been at the lowest rung of the totem pole. Do you honestly think a cartel is sending a hit squad to a highly active college campus in IDAHO?? Use some logic here. The Sinaloa Cartel in particular makes upwards of $30 BILLION annually. Please tell me people don't genuinely believe these same people are slaughtering four students for a few thousand dollars at MOST. Also, cartels would never trust someone like Cara Kernodle let's just be honest. So you can rule her out, and anyone else they're DIRECTLY dealing with is very high level. Not some college kids.
BIG facts. It’s clear from the comments that most people have no idea how the distribution ladder works here lol. Also, in order to OWE the cartel, they have to front you the product. Like you said, this isnt a movie. Cartel’s dont sell on consignment 😂
Thank you!!!!
It's readily apparent that Cara K is just some low level dealer/ middle man to support her own habit..who knows a guy, who knows, a guy, who knows a guy and so on and is so far removed from the orginal source that its not even on their radar. ..
Also, the people that questioned this theory pointed out that the cartel wouldn't leave behind witnesses..and the idiotic response to that statement was: DM and BF were accomplices.
Come on people. ...
Holy crap! I never thought about someone asking Brian for a knife for protection! If the defense uses that theory, he'll walk free I think! Now I'm kinda thinking hes innocent. Mind blown!
Dave also said there were two drug houses - and 1122 wasn't the main one, so maybe whoever was running the other one - eg Em's which Dave said was the other one - wasn't happy if Xana was selling too....?
Time will tell
Harsh, do not ever change a thing. I love your morning banter, I still laugh each time and it starts my day in a beautiful way. You are intelligent, attractive, and able to deduce the truth in a situation.
What I still don’t understand is the two surviving housemates. If the cartel had done this they would have done a sweep of the whole house and killed any potential witnesses. This didn’t happen therefore I have a feeling this was done by people that knew the housemates on a personal level. I don’t picture BK doing this but more like other students leaving nearby. This smells of anger and rage from someone already unhinged. We know some other students fit that profile according to disturbing posts from accounts that have later been deleted
the cartel doesn't mind leaving witnesses - especially when they are sending a message
there seems to be local LE as lookout outside 1122. The two others have local ties, parents working at UofI, another has a relative working for state/city. Spared. Not in on the dealing.
@@timewa851 interesting. i just remembered all the stuff going on with the underage drinking busts right there so close to the house right around the time of the crime too. so many cops right there - that seemed so odd right from the beginning. why would the killer go ahead w their plan w so many cops just there? i guess i would assume that would be seen as an added risk.
Thank you for covering this.
I’m still not sure about it as it feels to “movie” like but I wouldn’t at all be surprised!
And when I thought on it when I was young I had a boyfriend only to find out a little while in he was a drug dealer and a high up one. I hadn’t the slightest idea he was a nerdy student type. So I think we have to forget about the stereotypes of thinking only big king pin style gangsters as the drug dealers!
Vxx
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What gets me most is Steve Goncalves said right from the start "He didn't have to go up those stairs." I believe he said it more than once.
I believe it was either revenge for the girl who committed suicide, because of all the bullying supposedly from Maddie.
Or drugs because a cab/uber driver, supposedly said that was the place to score, which would possibly point to Xana, with Maddie possibly flushing product.
Either scenario, in my opinion, could explain the whole deal.
Brian could have just been the sucker used for transportation to and from the scene, because he supposedly asked was anyone else arrested. Or he could have just been leaving from a late night score or rendezvous.
Hopefully the truth will come out and justice will be served and if Kopaca was the one who done it they already have their firing squad victim.
Thank you Harsh for spending your time to try and think about this logically.
Who committed suicide?
Good arguments Harsh 👍. No way that these attacks/injuries are jealousy related.
I have always thought and will stand by my opinion that these murders were carried out to send a loud and clear message to anyone that thought of taking a plea deal in their drug case. What better way to shut somebody up from ratting out their higher ups by killing their child and friends so publicly.
Good morning H it's 8:12 in Canada's capital and it's raining 😊 because of my experience with the shady underbelly of society I'm pretty sure I had commented that the missing 8 hours was to get the place cleaned up before the cops were called. If you are somehow in the know about such shady people, you never, ever mention or speak anything about them to anyone. Firstly you don't want to mess up your connection for drugs and secondly you want to protect yourself. I never got heavily into, cocaine but I met some people. Thankfully my hardcore drug spree did not last long and that's when I started distancing myself from that lifestyle. This reeks so much of drugs and the shit that follows it. If Maddie did indeed flush a lot of narcotics whose were they, (Xana's, speculation). Now she has fronted, product to sell, hasn't paid for it and won't be able to? Better come up with the cash somehow or face the consequences. Just my thoughts H❤ catch you later 😘
Agree! Come up with a quarter Mil.
Cleaning up could have included searching hard drives, phone data dumps, removing SD cards and USB drives. All of that digital 'scrubbing ' takes awhile to do thoroughly before detectives confiscate digital evidence.
You're so spot on with your theories and I believe that drugs/cartels are involved. Also as a side thought, I wonder if Ethan's parents are also on to that theory, as well, hence the reason why they'd rather not be at the trial due to fear of any future repercussions and not wanting to get caught up when the huge can of worms opens up. Ethan's siblings had to have had an inside on what was going on and may have been privy to a lot of inside info. that they shared with their parents, but keeping it mum to the public.
Good morning Harsh!
I found this to be very interesting. It opens your eyes a little wider. It definitely could be a possibility. I’ve always thought drugs were involved. This would explain a little more about the why, and the 8 hour gap in the 911 call. ( drugs) will make a person loose all sense of time. I’ve seen it happen before. People will only think it’s been a few minutes in time, but in reality it’s been hours or even days gone by.
Thank you Harsh for CONTINUING to cover ALL the 'Possibilities'. There is even MORE to the story here.
This feels right to me..the cops didn't want to brace up to the cartel coz they would be out their depth. Also Kaylee told Adam everything...having a big mouth in the criminal world is a definite no-no. I don't think BK was involved in any violence.
My thoughts a s well. Story of a terrible situation in America's (some cities) administration.
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What came to mind, as you spoke, regarding the Range Rover, and I don’t wonder about how she paid for it, because I think she had very giving parents who would have helped, but I have heard Kristi say that Kaylee would not have been ok with hard drugs. Kaylee had only been in the house a semester; Maddie’s a bit longer, knows more, has shared with Kaylee, who is leaving for Texas and can’t protect Maddie any more. It’s Kaylee’s last chance to “save” her best friend and get her back on track. They go out, and unfortunately, Maddie talks; which set out the chain of events that followed.
Regarding the Range Rover though, her close friends gave an interview very early on and said how proud Kaylee was to have paid for her car all by herself and they were proud of her for that. It stood out to me immediately tbh. I couldn’t quite fathom how that would be possible at that age and being a college student. It did make me wonder how.
Her parents have said on many occasions that Kaylee paid for the car herself with no help from them.
@@CH-rg8zp Thank you - there are so many channels reporting on this, I just missed that. I still believe she probably did not come from a financially struggling background. Have we any evidence about how she earned money while going to school and she might have had enough credit to quality for a loan with a down payment.
And why did Goncalves family lawyer up and not do interviews with police or prosecutors? How would they explain their daughter’s ability to earn her degree early AND save enough money doing what?! To buy a range rover that she was taking back to show off that weekend?
She bought a used gas guzzler that someone else couldn't wait to unload. Also, she didn't buy it outright. She was making monthly payments. Her family gave the Rover back to the bank when MPD released the cars to the families.
HARSH this is the ONLY theory I can wrap my head around! Be careful out there. I want you here to keep doing what you do so we’ll ❤
Harsh you look well this Monday morning, thanks for always thinking of every avenue. I do wish I knew more about the relationship about the girls and what they know really know!!!
I still think the key to solving this crime is with the two surviving roommates.
Way back when this happened, even before the COD was announced, a person on SM whose daughter went to UofI said her daughter told her iit was an OD AND an unaliving by edged instrument. She heard that someone ODed and the dealers were there in the house and got mad someone called 911 hor help. The rest were unalived because the dealers flipped out over the call to 911. This story kind of disrupts the timeline but now we're hearing there was more than one 911 call anyway reported in a new NYT article so who knows!
I want to mention that aside from this story,
the fact that King and Queen Rds are so often reversed on google maps made me think that if it was a hit done by a "hit man", could it have been a case the house was mistaken for another?
Un-alived?? 🙄
We have to see tox reports !
@@galesauer9145 That is definitely the elephant in the room...tox reports never mentioned again. Nothing to see here, folks!
This is the original story that was very quickly suppressed that I feel is probably the most accurate. At least one person OD and someone tried to call 911 for help which led to the killings when the dealers freaked out. It's also why the killers are being protected because they have the cartel protecting them and at least one corrupt cop in my opinion but also the university wanting to cover this all up. I'm also wondering if they were already working on bringing parts of this cartel down and now these murders are messing up that entire investigation into the cartel dealings. This could be why all of LE is so nervous meaning both any corrupt cops but also any genuine good LE too. Also this would go along with the house being a place for small sales between friends/sororities etc. but not the main drug dealers of the area. I think one or two of the girls may have been selling to friends etc. but none of them were big dealers. They were casual users not addicts but the dealers they were supplied by are the ones truly connected to the cartel.
Yes but MP said to BO that there was some people on the steps of the K. F. and then they all left. Then the O.V came and figured it out.
If a suburban wife can get fentynol off her dealer to poisen her husband and another suburban wife try to form their own cult with their lover, have her husband killed, her lovers wife killed and her two children, then how is it such a stretch for some people to think this could be cartal related or drug robbery related ? People want Bryan to be guilty and be done with it, it seems.
Good Morning! I’ve noticed myself looking forward to your videos first thing when I wake up!
Thank you so much, I appreciate that 😊
There was also a comment made earlier in the investigation that ‘ they didn’t need to go upstairs’ which leads me to believe the target/s was in the 2nd floor. And if I’m not mistaken, one of those had a parent connected to drugs. ALSO: the original statement by LE> ‘ THIS WAS A TARGETED ATTACK’. In recent documentation there is mention of protecting an individual. I don’t remember the proper terms, it was actually provided as a law code and had to looked up to know the definition.
Regardless, in a case like this, with potential DP, every single possible connection/ tip/ scenario must be considered and investigated.
You're looking hawt too, Harsh💥💥💥 (in a "you're happily married and we're still your babies" kinda way lol) 😊
Thank you 😂
I am with you on the fence. Your questions are right on point. I appreciate your reasonable thoughts on this matter. Thank you Harsh for being a voice of reason.
Called this a hit from day one. Professional job. WOW! Was the response I got. Thanks.
Good morning Harsh!! I do not believe it was jealousy of any sort, but I do believe it was drugs and money and Cartel makes a lot of sense but don't know how Bryan is involved. And I don't believe there was a stalker. LE is most likely scared to even touch on Cartel, fearing the same thing will happen to them. Great update Harsh. Thank you !!!
Good morning, sunshine ❤
Good morning!
If you want to pursue jealousy than you have to look at both roommates, particularly DM
My thought exactly ...
This scenario is chilling. You have laid out the drug/cartel hit possibility very well. You have become my favorite channel to check-in with on this nasty and sad crime. I truly hope justice is served but I wonder if it will be…
Morning Harsh,
I disagree on the Cartel for they usually sh**t to k*ll. Whenever a knife and sta**ings is involved it indicates something very personal. "Who ever" is responsible for the Idaho m*esses this was very personal for them and they possibly suffered from rejection. It is interesting all these theories that are being thrown out there!!!
Love your show, watch daily ❤ Love your dedication.
@Susel Ever hear of a silencer?
Not Mexican cartels. Yes the do in street war..but iv also them behead live people, they love their knives n swords, why shoot and wake the whole neighborhood up now?🤷🏻♂️ And shooting wouldn't make as abig a Statement as this did..just sayin..
@Susel excatly 👌🏼💯
Interview with G family it was said that, “K had been shot.”
Shootings are very loud, going into a house to get back at someone for snitching or some other reason would be very loud and trigger a police call, too risky. They had 4+ people they were going after, shooting would be too loud and trigger a police call and potentially not give them the time to k*ll. Just my thoughts.
There have been several murders in my area in which someone owed around $300. Some people were cut into pieces and distributed over several counties. Two people had their tongues cut out. People that deal in narcotics can be ruthless.
Good morning @harsh. Also I look forward to seeing you're video's . "Thank you" for covering this case.You're doing a fantastic job.On.the (meat and potatoes) coverage of this case. Have a blessed day.
Good morning! Thank you very much
The cartel would not have left witnesses.
I still want to know what Maddie told Adam
My gut has been screaming at me about this case from the very beginning. I get this feeling that the victims were already subdued in some way, possibly drugged or even borderline overdosed? I keep feeling that if all four of the victims were not strongly under the influence of something, then one or more of them would’ve been able to get to a phone, to at least dial 911 or attempt to run out of the house? So, I have had the feeling that they were already subdued and then murdered. The actual assault was done in a way to make it seem like a crime of passion because of the excessive violence and brutality. Which would have then, been intentional? I feel like that was done to deter from the toxicology reports of each victim. I have felt that the police and prosecutors were going to make sure the toxicology reports remain sealed and never come out, in court or otherwise. If in fact that does happen, I will know that my gut feelings have been right all along. Which makes this a whole “show” and we won’t get the truth. Kind of like the Kiely Rodni case…
How ever it goes, my heart goes out to the families and friends of all the victims. May the victims rest in eternal peace.
I had very similar thoughts tbh
Mine as well
Agree and I think it was odd the coroner said the toxicology was irrelevant and we never heard anything again. Talk about something "being swept under the rug"!
@@valeried.9056 Yep, she is a weird duck.
She also said they were all stabbed and asleep in their beds. Maybe she was on something herself bc the report uses different words to describe the wounds and each word means a different wound. Read Ethan’s, his is definitely different
Harsh…you’ve really got me thinking! Seems like a plausible explanation❤️
The issue here is there is an attempt to ERASE/ERADICATE ANY non glamorous or angelic behavior from the victims.... Sadly, not every victim is PERFECT and free from skeletons in their CLOSET.
HIDING THE SKELETONS, and yes ignoring they EXIST is NAIVE...AND will not allow for REAL JUSTICE to be served if the true perp(s) are not HELD liable for their involvement in the taking their lives on account of their use or dealing of substances. JS.
Plus the STATE/LE also are working hard at keeping that stuff at bay and away from the case for the FRONT of their little, angelic, sweet innocent state🙄😑.