TheAwesomeHyperon But it's a sequel to Kingdom Hearts Mania and Chaotix, which were part of the marathon. Or are you saying Nomura pulled a Kojima, so those games aren't reallly canon to the time line?
+Darah Martinez not very nice language from a 10 year old (assumeing this from your videos) clean up your act little missy! HAS KINGDOM HEARTS TAUGHT YOU NOTHING OF FRIENDSHIP!? or are you on ansems side :/ by the way you spelled you're and bi*ch wrong xD
kap1618 i get what you mean, as much as i liked aizen i found that complete bullshit. I can accept if they do that to mess with the main characters, but with both this and bleach yeah i could tell they werent joking.
I be fine with a plot twist like that if they were planning it and had a proper set up but its painfully obvious that KH is writing by the seat of its pants and Bleach has no clear direction what so ever.
First Aizen then Bach. It was maddening to be honest. Story elements and characters being dropped, fights that last forever, so many pages of empty white nothingness, and not to mention all of the pretentious garbage characters would regurgitate. For some time now, I've been mulling over the idea to rewrite Bleach starting after the soul society arc. I don't know if i will do it, but it's something that has been on my mind since the series ended last year.
@@kap1618 it...was though. There were A LOT of things they planned even in the first game, and you know...358/2 days? Where multiple characters doubt what xemnas' real motivations are?
I swear Kingdom Hearts is an experiment on how overcomplicated you can make a game. Alternate realities, destroyed universes, evil shadows and heartless made by the lack of souls or the lack of hearts or whatever, keyblades, computer simulations, cultists, memory loss, keyblades used to fight and lock evils, great wars, and now time travel and multiple ultimate keyblade parts? Did I miss anything? XD
I just saw AntDude's notification on his review on this game. "I'll wait for Johnny's review" *Johnny notification after one second of saying that* "Well damn.
This is what happens when story writers INSIST that every game's story be related to one another. You get a giant mess of a story that has so many moving parts that none of them seem reasonable.
Except it isn't a giant mess, and that's a lie made by people who never even played the games. The story is really simple if you actually learn about it, of course you're not gonna understand if you don't try
When side games don't want to admit that they are side games and feel the need to do some unnecessarily complicated shit to stand out and feel important
Marcosatsu Yeah, if I'm going to be honest, that 2018 release date gets less and less unbelievable the more I think about it. The game's been in development since 2013, maybe even before. I don't know, I think it's possible.
To be fair to Ocelot, the whole "all part of my plan" thing was only started in MGS2 and makes way more sense compared to this madness in Kingdom Hearts.
I feel like Union Cross is just Nomuras team, essentially, 'getting all their ideas out as filler for there, kinda mmo.' Where Back Cover gives you the actual important bits that will most likely come back play in KH3.
The Final Title: Jump On Demand Presents: Kingdom Hearts & Knuckles: N-Sane Trilogy: Samus Returns Featuring Sonic the Hedgehog from Sonic Mania O K I B E L I E V E Y O U
Yup. That's the game that finally proved, once and for all, that Nomura has no idea what he's doing with the story and just makes it up as he goes along without much care for consistency.
He totally cares about consistency. That's why Mickey (somehow) loses his shirt right before closing the Heart of all Worlds at the end of 0.2...Just like KH1!!
I'd say half right. Yes I agree that Nomura does write things as the story goes along BUT not with Everything. Like the Nobodies have hearts thing, I believe that was planned WAY back. And hell, even Marluxia's plan in CoM must have some huge significance. The reason why I say that is through this question: "Who" is sleeping within Castle Oblivion?
In defense of the drop system, spoiler warning: Riku became a Dream Eater to Sora, and that's why they couldn't be awake at the same time. That doesn't give it an excuse for being good or bad, but it is the reason for its existence from a story perspective.
Diamonddeath Understandable, but it's still annoying when the gameplay quality drops because of some narrative bs. It would've been better if they simply just made it so that Sora and Riku's campaigns were handled like it was Chain of Memories (Without any of the BS that came from Riku mode).
You know, that drop system really does seem like it's more trouble than it's worth, especially considering that if you're too busy focusing on the battle at hand, you probably won't notice the meter running out until it eventually- *drops*
I love you and Antdude so much for that gag, and that moment where you're guzzling down coffee needs to be a gif or something. Also you know people are gonna keep counting games in the KH marathon until 3 comes out, right? That's gonna be one heck of a timeline.
if thats the case the casuals represent the 13 seekers of darkness and the hardcore fans are the the 7 guardians of light due to their sheer difference in numbers.
As if I didn't dislike the KH plotline enough as it was, now we're throwing time travel into the mix. It's weird, as a kid I never played the in-between games like Chain of Memories, so I was totally lost as the series went on, but now that I've seen the plot summarized for all the games? I don't think it would have helped me like it any better. It's so needlessly convoluted and ridiculous, it just makes getting from point A to B in the narrative a chore. I'm now fully caught up on the who, what, when, where and why, and yet I'm further than ever from being invested in any of it. *Sigh* Oh well, I'll still always remember how the series sounded and looked. It was beautiful and it had a damn good soundtrack that still brings a tear to my eye, even when I'm not invested in what's going on.
Because summaries leave out stuff. Just, play the games. They explain almost everything really well and it's so frustrating seeing people think the story makes no sense when It's really simple
@@Mqstodon The problems is not whether it's easy to understand or not, but whether it's interesting. Sure, it may be easy to grasp if you actually go out of your way to play every single game but, why would you do that? If the story is not interesting, if it doesn't grab your attention, why bother?
I think the story peaked with KH2. Terra was really dumb, Aqua's story doesn't get interesting until the last hour, Ventus is okay, Vanitas having no reason for looking like Sora was stupid, the X-Blade being named after a Greek letter that sounds way too much like "key" was also really dumb, and the opening spoils the ending to BBS before you even beat the game. The DDD time travel is beyond stupid and the Dream Eaters giving Sora and Riku abilities contradicts the reason they're taking the Mark of Mastery on top of being an unecssary way to make the game different from KH2 or BBS. Thrm taking the test doesn't make any sense either since both them have done as much as Aqua and then some without being Masters.
According to Tetsuya Nomura, the goal of Dream Drop Distance’s Story was, and it quoting him here, “to be as complicated as possible” you were totally fucked from the beginning Johnny...
+GoDRazz *SPOILER ALERT* After Nintendo is wiped out Haedox turns on his friends & learns robotics to make a robotic Tailsdoll that has the same personality of the character from Johnny's previous videos. Changing his name to Pigsaw. Exoparadigmgamer wakes up the next day only to discover that his brother has been murdered by robo Tailsdoll & Game Mavericks has been wiped out while the other two members have been murdered. Determined to avenge his brother & old friends Exo sets out to stop Haedox & save UA-cam when he discovers that the president is truly insane.
I think the spaciousness of the worlds in DDD was because it was on the 3DS and the devs wanted people to experience the worlds with the 3D on. It's a stretch, but I know square enix loves showing off cool hardware tricks.
My personal rankings of the series from best to worst Story: 1. Kingdom Hearts II 2. Birth by Sleep 3. 358/2 Days 4. Kingdom Hearts 5. DDD 6. Re: Chain of Memories 7. Re: Coded Overall: 1. Kingdom Hearts II 2. Kingdom Hearts 3. Dream Drop Distance 4. Birth by Sleep 5. Re: Coded 6. Re: Chain of Memories 7. 358/2 Days Can't really rank them in terms of gameplay coz I liked something different about the gameplay in most of them.
Here's mine Story: 1. Xchi/Union Cross 2.Chain of Memories 3.KH2 4.Birth By Sleep 5.DDD 6.358/2 days 7.KH1 8.Re:coded Gameplay: 1.KH2 2.Re:Coded 3.KH1 4.DDD 5.Birth By Sleep 6.Chain of memories 7.Xchi/Union Cross 8.358/2 days It may seem very unnatural to some people but hey, we all got different sides and views.
Fulbright Gamer Glad to see someone else who really likes Re:Coded. While it probably is the worst in terms of the plot fitting into overarching story (frankly, I feel that the best thing DDD’s plot does is give Re:Coded some more relevance to the overarching story, but that isn’t saying a whole lot in the end for now.), I think the gameplay is genuinely solid. Definitely flawed (I hate the virus sections for code portals. It sucks when you are trying to get the rewards and you have to start all over again because overpowered enemies killed you, and you had to wager all your SP. And the FPS section of Hallow Bastion lasts for way too long) but still a fun time.
As a huge KH fan who loves the story I can totally see why you don't care about it, and I can easily agree about your other points, I hope you see this message because you made the best review of all these games and have a new subscriber.
Johnny has finally finished the Kingdom Hearts N.Sane Mania Returns & Knuckles marathon! Congratulations on getting through the marathon and here's to the next set of videos coming soon...(maybe).
I saw an ad for Coffee before the video came on, I'm watching a Some call me Johnny video. It was apart of his plan all along, he went into time and had this video only play ads referencing coffee
thank you for this marathon; as someone who has no interest in Kingdom Hearts I have loved watching all your videos on this franchise and hearing your thoughts on it.
And I thought Metal Gear's overarching plot was messed up. But that actually seems well thought out compared to this. And Xehanort? His body-snatching habits are worse than Sigma's.
When you referred to the game as "Triple D" I was thinking "oh shit, Double D from Ed, Edd n Eddy got an upgrade!" _Also I'm very curious as to what that shirt is your wearing..._
Great marathon Johnny. I ended up picking up the KH1, 2, BBS compilation on ps4 because of you and god damn I can't believe I didn't even bother trying this series until now. Thanks for introducing me to what's now one of my favourite game series.
I loved the Dream Eaters. I was always reminded of Pokemon Amie from X & Y. I never went overboard with the Dream Eaters, though. Just found a combo I liked and stuck with it. The Ghost Drive form Riku gets is insanely powerful, so I always had those guys equipped. Sure, in battle, ally spirits don't do a whole bunch, but that never bothered me. They were simply extentions of my abilities and I very much enjoyed replaying DDD on my PS4. Didn't even use the Balloon spell that much until I had to fight Julius.
I know you have thousands of people who feel this way, but I need to express my gratitude to you for all the quality content. Also, your intro is by far the best original intro on youtube
Probably not going to happen, but I hope Symphony of Sorcery makes a return in the series. There are still several segments from both the Fantasia movies that would be worth exploring, most especially the Firebird Suite.
You did it, John! Yo finished the Kingdom Hearts Marathon! Hopefully, the later marathons aren't as draining for you. As much as I love the KH series, I agree that playing through all the games with some of them being just average must've been tiring.
Definitely gotta agree with the criticism of the series' plot here. Every time they jam a new layer into Xehanort's grand plan it just undermines things even further. This is most apparent when looking at Xemnas' plan in KH2 - "use Kingdom Hearts to restore the lost hearts of the Organization members". Yet even in that game it was contradictory - not only did half the Organization deliberately turn themselves into Nobodies (or so we're led to believe), they're actually significantly more powerful than the vast majority of people with hearts now (and we were led to believe this was at least in part due to their transformations) and the whole "no hearts means no emotions" thing was already contradicted WITHIN that very game. But then you learn about Xehanort's past actions in BBS and new plan in DDD, and all logic flies completely out the window. Why didn't Xehanort's Heartless and Nobody work together? Why didn't Xemnas use time travel to bring his past self forward to handle the heart collection? Why did Xehanort make no effort to find (or make) new Organization recruits, if the need for 13 was so important? Why didn't he do literally anything to further the BBS plan to forge the X-blade? Then there's the problem with so many games being retreads and/or filler. It's like Square figures since they could get away with it for CoM, why not just do it ALL THE TIME? (Even though CoM had more plot development than any game other than KH1 or BBS, just jammed in between filler/retread worlds.) It really makes it hard to give a shit about the series. As for the gameplay... well, you've definitely got a bit of a different opinion than I do, but there's a good chunk of overlap too. I knew how Flowmotion was going to go from the moment I heard of it, and... yeah, it went about exactly as expected. KH2 style unnaturally open and empty worlds, a barrage of pointless treasure chests, combat largely feeling poorer for it. Implementing Flowmotion from the very start was a bad, bad idea - instead of being something the protagonists build up in pieces from world to world (much like Abilities in KH1/KH2) it's shoved in from the start and every world and enemy has to be "balanced" around it. Worlds are excessively open. This works with the Fantasia world; a magical world of big, lush environments. Also for The World That Never Was, as the "empty" feeling these wide open spaces give is thematically appropriate. But it feels jarring in Traverse Town, going from the small KH1 areas to the massive spaces everywhere else. And it makes the rest of the worlds feel... well, just like filler. A problem that was ALREADY being caused by the plot. This was really frustrating with the Tron world, which had a lot of potential for having Sora pursue the restore-Rinzer plot while Riku followed the movie plot, only to abort Sora's plot and kick him on to the next world. Yeah, great, glad I could dick around in those giant, pointlessly flashy environments in order to ACHIEVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Bosses are set up so that Flowmotion is less effective against them (moving too much for the flashy attacks, hitting you too hard during the windup, or the boss arena just not having convenient Flowmotion launch points), and when you finally move away from Flowmotion to late-game powerful attack skills... it doesn't feel like an upgrade. And good lord, the Drop system. I loved the timer in Majora's Mask, which actually affected the whole world (drastically less so outside Clock Town, but even so). This one, while it never actually caused me any real grief, was still bullshit. The entire plot potential was COMPLETELY wasted outside of Traverse Town and TWTNW, and in a game where all other worlds already felt like pure filler (or ABORTED PLOT LINES) there was just no reason to do this instead of combining the duplicate worlds and giving the players one, more complete, run through of each world. At least make the Drop shuffle between Sora and Riku in the SAME, ACTIVE world - with workarounds for the bosses, like maybe some FF7 final boss style encounter where each group takes a turn fighting the same boss. All of this sort of stuff combined, and I'm really not at all excited for Kingdom Hearts 3. I'm not even sure I'm INTERESTED. The first game was a wonderful mix of great story, great gameplay, great design all around... KH2 did worse in every aspect except gameplay, but the improved combat design was dragged back down by the terrible difficulty balancing, turning Sora into a no-effort murder machine through either Reaction Commands or a ridiculous amount of stacking white attack modifiers, and having all the levels be wide, empty hallways. BBS fared a bit better, but every other game was just considerably worse, constantly being jammed full of filler and having stupidly experimental concepts replace parts of their predecessors. I look towards KH3 and I don't think "oh man, I can't wait!"... I think "what are they going to butcher or get weird with this time?"
I mean KH3 is relying more heavily on the Disney elements, and tying them to the overarching plot similar to 1. The gameplay also seems to be taking most of its cues from KH2. Idk, seems like there's still a lot of great looking things to be interested in regarding 3 despite the story likely still having time travel shenanigans.
I never picked 2.8 up. I don't have a PS4, and I couldn't really imagine buying 2.8 even if I did; I already own and beat DDD on the 3DS. As for KH3... honestly, I haven't been following it at all. I followed KH2 really hard back when that was a thing - I still remember when Roxas was "BHK". And I was really disappointed by how overhyped that had made me for the game. I'd been looking forward to the mechanics of having two protagonists, I'd been REALLY looking forward to resolving the considerable amount of plot threads and character arcs left dangling from CoM, I'd been looking forward to some of the amazing looking fights like the early concept for the 1000 Heartless one... and we get Roxas as a tutorial-only character, the CoM plot threads tossed in the ditch with no regard, a general lack of connected plot across all the worlds, and not only a severely watered down 1000 Heartless fight, but an incredibly low difficulty even on Proud Mode, with only a few standout bosses that weren't even that fun - because using magic/summons was normally a waste of resources rather than a useful mechanic, so you were only trying them out for real DURING the fights. (A low-level playthrough I did later WAS incredibly fun, though, and actually required me to use different Drive forms, summons, and spells depending on the fights. Two bosses that stand out - Jafar was ridiculously hard, and I couldn't beat Barbossa without Wisdom Form.) Ever since that letdown, I've made sure to never closely follow a game's development again.
Nyzer for me jafar wasn't that hard. Just had to time the right time to use and trigger the reaction commands. Barbossa for sure I'll agree is fun. I definitely am surprised by your comments on wanting Roxas to have had a more substantial playable role, most people seemed to have wanted Sora and only Sora. But yeah back to 3, yeah most of the stuff being shown seems promising, and they're relying a lot more on the Disney aspect of it finally.(Disney is being more on hands with it to be fair, so that makes sense.) a lot of the Disney worlds seem to have story relevance to the ongoing arc, similar to KH1, while the gameplay is more of a hybrid of 2/BBS(with no command deck stuff) 0.2 is a decent way to get an idea of the game, and even Johnny found himself loving that title despite its short length. Yeah there'll be the time travel and dumb stuff brought up, but for once, if 3 can deliver on all the other fronts and deliver fun separate story arcs and character interactions, I think most people can get over it and just enjoy the game.
Story: CHAIN OF MEMORIES: Greatest personal stakes for the hero, Riku's character development. Mystery and hope. Great non-xehanort villains. KH2: Closure and ending, grand stakes, sacrifices with payoff, but very nonlinear storytelling. KH1: simple and clean storytelling. Disney is a bit more involved. 358: The manga is better. The only reason why it's ranked higher in story, is that people like the roxas tutorial retelling. The story pacing is by far the worst out of all of them. CODED: I got some emotional investment towards this kh1 retelling. One of the weakest stories. BIRTH BY SLEEP: potential new characters, most easy to understand story, but Xehanorts obvious evil, very idiotic decisions, and avoidable downer ending drags this plot down really hard. DDD: Villain sue Xehanort hijacked the series, undermined *everything* KH related, time travel plotholes, while being the least straightforward story. The absolute worst story that killed my interest until maybe KH4.
Aren't the seven lights the Keyblade warriors? Sora, Riku, Kairi, Mickey etc? Also we don't need to forget the plans of Ansem, Seeker of Darkness and Xemnas, if one of them succedeed there would be no need for the story of Dream Drop Distance to happen. Just because the antagonists cannonicaly failed, doesn't mean the stories in those games are worthless. I personally love how overaching the story is and how it manages to encapsulate so many games, and I don't deny the fact that this wasn't planned from the beginning - it's great how they managed to make it so that everything in the previous games was connected somehow.
GreyouTT No it's not a FF world. I just looked it up, no Radiant Garden is in FF8. So it's not a FF world. Also it was already confirmed there won't be a FF world in KH3 in a interview.
Great review, Johnny! The best part was when you fell asleep and AntDude woke up (and also when you drank coffee while flipping off the Drop meter just as it was counting down). 😂 So far, _Dream Drop Distance_ is the only game in the series I’ve ever played. The main attraction for me was the world based on _The Hunchback of Notre Dame_, given that that is my favorite Disney movie.
what a crazy marathon I actually feel like I kind of understand the story now and I haven't played any of these games that's how good Johnny is at explaining things
7:39 I'm sorry, John, but nobodies were hinted to have hearts as early as KH2, and the entire point of Days was just screaming this to the player. It's not a retcon or plot twist, it was just build up until they finally decided to flat out say it. I don't blame you if it did catch you off guard though, because you didn't really care that much about the story anyway.
No, kh2 was about them wanting heart's and 358/2 was just a way to milk some of that roxas sadness. The only reason this exist is because Nomura was doing what he does best. Explaining things that already had a perfectly adequate explanation.
Kingdom Hearts killed me once they started dropping shit after 2. Would've rather they gone the Final Fantasy route where they have different characters in different universes with similar creatures and magic (like everyone being keyblade users, but from different universes) with a simple enough story. but uuuugghhh everyone needs continuity today apparently.
Nukara Rikova BBS is all i can appreciate honestly. Its just man this series has dragged on for so long I can only care about Sora for so long. Now its just a wait for Sora to reach godhood because square enix writing.
Nukara Rikova oh yeah I'm definitely the minority of this series. I have no idea how so many people can still want so much more. Its just my completionist attitude just really wants me to finish this series and be done with it. Maybe have some discussions with friends over dinner about how we felt about the game and that's it. Then I just wait another 20 years for Final Fantasy XVI in hopes it wont be ass like XV (i'm digressing now)
@@Zendoheim Why do you saying like wanting continuity is a bad thing? The dumb thing about Final Fantasy is that you expect me to believe that each game takes place in a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AND UNIQUE UNIVERSE or WORLD but yet the monsters and spell names are the same. Gotta really make sure that your audience is playing a FF game I suppose.
kingdom hearts is one of those series that i like to look at from afar. learning all the lore and character stuff is interesting and the fact that some of the characters are as deep as 2-ply toilet paper doesn't matter because if i only see small tidbits of cutscenes they're in i can pretend they're more interesting then they actually are. yaaayyy!!
Okay kids best brush up on string theory and quantum mechanics to understand time travel for Kingdom Hearts 3! Oh wait it's plot convenience time travel because...water is wet!
Thank you so much for this retrospective. KH II was the last one I played, right after release, when I was 16. I lost track entirely of what is actually going on. Now I can dive into KH III when it comes out in 2019 and won't miss a beat. Again Thank you so much. Arceus bless you.
this series has a rabbit hole so long that by the end of this it will put metal gear to shame. keeping track of it all is time consuming, frustrating even and frankly, mentally exhausting not to mention extremely unforgiving in terms of accessibility if someone's looking to get into it in ANY sort of detail. shit like this is like a life commitment and many people just don't have the time or energy to invest into something this insanely convoluted.
I got the 1.5+2.5 pack on ps4 right after Johnny started the marathon, just out of sheer curiosity, and because of that I got to experience the magic of 1 and 2, and the confusing story with all the other games (bought DDD a few years back, but never finished it/didn't know what was going on), and for that Johnny, I thank you.
You can tell Johnny wants to get to reviewing Mario Odyssey. He didn't even prepare a cup of coffee for the beginning of the video Also, looking forward to the Sonic Forces stuff both here and on BSC :)
![KINGDOM HEARTS: DREAM DROP DISTANCE FOR BEGINNERS [ft. TheGamersJoint]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/MCKv7RGvpLo/mqdefault.jpg)
"This game has time travel."
Okay, I believe you.
Nomura: Ouch Ouch.
TheCrimsonMayhem KIBLEAH!
Who the hel is johnny? I only care about antdude
B O O M
And thus the series... Jumping the shark is an understatement, Flowmation swinging over the shark is more appropriate
"It's like the entire Kingdom Hearts wiki was jammed into his head all at once and that will fuck _anybody_ up."
That poor unfortunate bastard
like a Wikipedia-powered Starscream
You fall asleep in a much more grand fashion than I do tbh
For Kingdom Hearts there is NEVER any sleep.
Unless you're born that way. Unfortunately, that only happens twice a year.
Well when you are forcefully put to sleep while standing it may result in a spectacular decent into slumber.
No one knows this but... i was the first like to your comment :)
You do quick cameos a lot lately huh? Always fun to see you pop up tho xD
Kingdom Hearts: Why am I still trying to keep up with the plot for the 3ds
DARKNESS.
The real question is, why and how do I still find the KH plot to be good?
Just a Pancake WOOF WOOF WOOF.
I don't know. All we can do at the moment is "Believe".
Kingdom Hears? What is that, Kingdom Hearts for the hearing impaired?
Summarizing Xehanort's plot in a sentence from one of Johnny's past reviews:
"TIME TRAVEL IS BULLSHIT!!!"
I honestly can't tell at this point if I actually enjoy the Kingdom Hearts story, or if I'm just fascinated by train wrecks.
Nukara Rikova Imagine you just played 1 and 2 and jump straight to 3 when it comes out in about 40 years. You will be sooooo lost.
Jin kisaragi Really? The only game you’d really need to play is 2.1 and DDD.
@Nukara Rikova people will judge the games because they are spin offs with lore. They are judged hard because of how bad an idea that is.
Come on John. You can't finish the marathon without playing the best Kingdom hearts game;
Sonic Forces
Kingdom Hearts Mania was better!
I think he's gonna play Kindgom hearts Odyssey next.
OttoeCamn Ah yes, how could I forget my favorite Disney world; New Donk City?
OttoeCamn it’s only apart of the Marathon canon if it was reviewed during the marathon.
TheAwesomeHyperon But it's a sequel to Kingdom Hearts Mania and Chaotix, which were part of the marathon.
Or are you saying Nomura pulled a Kojima, so those games aren't reallly canon to the time line?
"sora went to go get the milk"
AH YES, THE MILK OF LIGHT, THE ONE TRUE KEY
Fuck you son of a bich
The darkness be lactose intolerant, Sora!
+Darah Martinez not very nice language from a 10 year old (assumeing this from your videos) clean up your act little missy! HAS KINGDOM HEARTS TAUGHT YOU NOTHING OF FRIENDSHIP!? or are you on ansems side :/
by the way you spelled you're and bi*ch wrong xD
He must have went to Legend of Zelda then
Sora was the chosen one to retrieve the milk of light for to power the lost temple of aughuraema
What kind of fool do you take me for?
He's Xehanort, he's Xehanort, you're Xehanort?
I'm Xehanort!
Are there any other Xehanorts I should know about?
"Meow!"
@@keeganstormblade5456 I'm outta here...
mrgrad07 Ok bye.
@@keeganstormblade5456 how should have said X-blade
“Ansem” from KH1?
Alternatively:
*After playing Re-Coded*
Some Guy: This story can't get any more convoluted!
Nomura: *Challenge accepted* !
I Laughed so hard and so long. Its just the only thing that makes sence.
Double the Dream
Double the Drop
Double the Distance!
Double Ze Flavour.
Double my suffering.
Double down.
Double the Dick size.
WeirdoTZero I GET IT
Nothing says fun like stopping your gameplay to play Pokemon Amie for an hour so that you get the abilities you need to not die.
Thanks, Square.
Honestly that sounds fun to me, but I'm a pokefanatic who also likes the monsters in Digimon, Monster Hunter, MegaTen, and Telefang so yeah
@@shupasopni This sounds like fun to me as well, but after a point you do get sick of the Amie. I know I did after awhile.
Now we head to the game where the series literally jumps the shark. Literally.
Union Cross can attest to that.
Yep.
Literally?
It was honestly a disappointment because
WE GOT THIS INSTEAD OF 3 UGH.
MegamanNG quite literally
You know the whole "villain who has plan everything before the series even began," trope is what killed bleach.
kap1618 i get what you mean, as much as i liked aizen i found that complete bullshit. I can accept if they do that to mess with the main characters, but with both this and bleach yeah i could tell they werent joking.
I be fine with a plot twist like that if they were planning it and had a proper set up but its painfully obvious that KH is writing by the seat of its pants and Bleach has no clear direction what so ever.
First Aizen then Bach. It was maddening to be honest. Story elements and characters being dropped, fights that last forever, so many pages of empty white nothingness, and not to mention all of the pretentious garbage characters would regurgitate.
For some time now, I've been mulling over the idea to rewrite Bleach starting after the soul society arc. I don't know if i will do it, but it's something that has been on my mind since the series ended last year.
@@kap1618 it...was though. There were A LOT of things they planned even in the first game, and you know...358/2 days? Where multiple characters doubt what xemnas' real motivations are?
Naruto also did the same trope with Obito, Madara, and Black Zetsu
I swear Kingdom Hearts is an experiment on how overcomplicated you can make a game. Alternate realities, destroyed universes, evil shadows and heartless made by the lack of souls or the lack of hearts or whatever, keyblades, computer simulations, cultists, memory loss, keyblades used to fight and lock evils, great wars, and now time travel and multiple ultimate keyblade parts? Did I miss anything? XD
So basically it's just an attempt from Nomura to troll the shit out of us? Seems legit. xD
With added Disney.
what is this the new pokemon multiverse timeline
Anytime you can make Metal Gear, of all stories, look simple and tame, you know something's wrong.
and people seriously fucking want star wars and marvel added in too
I hope somebody donated The World Ends with You for the donators Marathon.
Marche800
4:01
Clearly, he already has a copy.
Marche800 I hope someone donated Mega man x command mission
That NEEDS to be a future Johnny vs. The World video!
People have donated games that he already owns for the donators marathon before. Some of them even got review.
Marche800
Or Ori and the Blind Forest. I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR IT FOR YEARS.
"One final trip to Hell together"? We are already in Hell; a Hell where Metroid, Sonic, and many others are part of the KH universe.
What?
I DEMAND AN EXPLANATION
Metroid is my favorite character. Him and that green guy with the sword, Zelda.
About that
I just saw AntDude's notification on his review on this game. "I'll wait for Johnny's review" *Johnny notification after one second of saying that* "Well damn.
Just went through the same thing just now lol
🤔
now we wait for caddy's
What was your reaction when antdude appeared in the video
ChrisTheFox My reaction was like. Wait... WHAT!!! 😂
This is what happens when story writers INSIST that every game's story be related to one another. You get a giant mess of a story that has so many moving parts that none of them seem reasonable.
oh shit it's Greg!
Not necessarily no
Except it isn't a giant mess, and that's a lie made by people who never even played the games. The story is really simple if you actually learn about it, of course you're not gonna understand if you don't try
When side games don't want to admit that they are side games and feel the need to do some unnecessarily complicated shit to stand out and feel important
@@Mqstodon It is lol
Can't wait for your review of Kingdom Hearts 3 when it comes out in the next decade
It’s already been confirmed for 2018
Marcosatsu Yeah, if I'm going to be honest, that 2018 release date gets less and less unbelievable the more I think about it. The game's been in development since 2013, maybe even before. I don't know, I think it's possible.
Nomura has said he is confident n the release s i think we should "try" to take his word. Besides, KH games have NEVER been delayed (apart from 2.8).
Five years a very reasonable amount of time for an RPG's development cycle. So 2018 really is a realistic release year. People are just in denial.
DetectiveEthanaterSpiritOfBobbyFulbrightGamer Even then, 2.8 was delayed for a whopping 2 months. Same with FF15 (Versus XIII not counting)
"Notre-Dame and The Musketeers worlds looked pretty similar"
Why yes, they both take place in France...
that's exactly what I was thinking XDDD
And don't forget Beauty and the Beast.
True, the country of France *does* have one look
So everything that's happened up to this point was all part of Xehanort's plan?
Anyone else getting some Liquid Ocelot vibes here?
All Xehanort needs now is a pair of revolvers, and a replacement arm. But for all we know, he probably already has those.
To be fair to Ocelot, the whole "all part of my plan" thing was only started in MGS2 and makes way more sense compared to this madness in Kingdom Hearts.
rico anderson Prob because the writers of MGS2 knew wtf they were doing.
Oh my dear Johnny. . . just get into the kh X games and watch Kingdom Hearts X Back Cover and your mind will hurt so much.
Its not that confusing. Union Cross however is a different story but Back Cover is pretty straight forward if you ask me.
I feel like Union Cross is just Nomuras team, essentially, 'getting all their ideas out as filler for there, kinda mmo.'
Where Back Cover gives you the actual important bits that will most likely come back play in KH3.
I can hear the voices when I’m dreaming!
I can hear them say!
I GET KNOCKED OUT!
BUT I GET BACK UP!
MysteriousMrM like randy orton?
MysteriousMrM Part 5 will never be confirmed
I HEAR VOICES IN MY HEAD
THEY COUNCIL ME, THEY UNDERSTAND
THEY TALK TO ME!
Carry on my wayward son
The World Ends with You is great, come back to it sometime.
The Final Title:
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N-Sane Trilogy:
Samus Returns
Featuring Sonic the Hedgehog from Sonic Mania
O K I B E L I E V E Y O U
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+Mickspad And the tale of how Haedox went insane.
SomecallmeJohnny Y O U S T I N K Y, T H A T I S N O T H O W I T W O R K S!
Yup. That's the game that finally proved, once and for all, that Nomura has no idea what he's doing with the story and just makes it up as he goes along without much care for consistency.
He totally cares about consistency. That's why Mickey (somehow) loses his shirt right before closing the Heart of all Worlds at the end of 0.2...Just like KH1!!
Nukara Rikova No he is right.
I'd say half right. Yes I agree that Nomura does write things as the story goes along BUT not with Everything. Like the Nobodies have hearts thing, I believe that was planned WAY back. And hell, even Marluxia's plan in CoM must have some huge significance. The reason why I say that is through this question: "Who" is sleeping within Castle Oblivion?
Wouldnt that be Ventus?
@@Little3Pigs it was
To writers everywhere: STOP USING TIME TRAVEL AS A NARRATIVE FRAMING DEVICE
Flame of Udun they can use it unless they don't fuck it up. Life is strange is a game that didn't fuck up time travel
Or Fire Emblem Awakening. That I felt did a decent job.
Time traveling is so easy to fuck up. Unless you perfectly establish the rules of your specific version of time travel, DON'T DO IT DAMMIT!!!XD
Hey at least it won't be apparent in Xchi (Supposedly). Actually though i seriously doubt that it will.
Hmm? This story isn’t complicated enough...I know! TIME TRAVEL!
In defense of the drop system, spoiler warning: Riku became a Dream Eater to Sora, and that's why they couldn't be awake at the same time. That doesn't give it an excuse for being good or bad, but it is the reason for its existence from a story perspective.
Diamonddeath Understandable, but it's still annoying when the gameplay quality drops because of some narrative bs. It would've been better if they simply just made it so that Sora and Riku's campaigns were handled like it was Chain of Memories (Without any of the BS that came from Riku mode).
What a pain
Time Travel = A fucking cop out
You know, that drop system really does seem like it's more trouble than it's worth, especially considering that if you're too busy focusing on the battle at hand, you probably won't notice the meter running out until it eventually-
*drops*
I love you and Antdude so much for that gag, and that moment where you're guzzling down coffee needs to be a gif or something.
Also you know people are gonna keep counting games in the KH marathon until 3 comes out, right? That's gonna be one heck of a timeline.
Say it with me now: TIME TRAVEL IS BULLSHIT!
Time travel is not bullshit
Here i said it with you
I'm glad that I played through the series over 9 years
The fabled war is not of the Keyblade War, but rather the war between casual vs hardcore Kingdom Hearts fans.
if thats the case the casuals represent the 13 seekers of darkness and the hardcore fans are the the 7 guardians of light due to their sheer difference in numbers.
Two of my favorite youtubers posted the same game video at the same moment in time, fuck it was difficult choosing which to watch first
As if I didn't dislike the KH plotline enough as it was, now we're throwing time travel into the mix. It's weird, as a kid I never played the in-between games like Chain of Memories, so I was totally lost as the series went on, but now that I've seen the plot summarized for all the games? I don't think it would have helped me like it any better. It's so needlessly convoluted and ridiculous, it just makes getting from point A to B in the narrative a chore. I'm now fully caught up on the who, what, when, where and why, and yet I'm further than ever from being invested in any of it.
*Sigh*
Oh well, I'll still always remember how the series sounded and looked. It was beautiful and it had a damn good soundtrack that still brings a tear to my eye, even when I'm not invested in what's going on.
Because summaries leave out stuff. Just, play the games. They explain almost everything really well and it's so frustrating seeing people think the story makes no sense when It's really simple
@@Mqstodon The problems is not whether it's easy to understand or not, but whether it's interesting.
Sure, it may be easy to grasp if you actually go out of your way to play every single game but, why would you do that?
If the story is not interesting, if it doesn't grab your attention, why bother?
@@SmashSSL nothing is interesting If you don't try to understand It.
@@souza885 DMC, Bayonetta, and such.
I think the story peaked with KH2. Terra was really dumb, Aqua's story doesn't get interesting until the last hour, Ventus is okay, Vanitas having no reason for looking like Sora was stupid, the X-Blade being named after a Greek letter that sounds way too much like "key" was also really dumb, and the opening spoils the ending to BBS before you even beat the game. The DDD time travel is beyond stupid and the Dream Eaters giving Sora and Riku abilities contradicts the reason they're taking the Mark of Mastery on top of being an unecssary way to make the game different from KH2 or BBS. Thrm taking the test doesn't make any sense either since both them have done as much as Aqua and then some without being Masters.
Kingdom Hearts: Chaotix Mania Jump Returns N Sane Trilogy & Knuckles
Dat Boi From The Wifi Zone you missed metroid
i didn’t. The “Returns” is Samus Returns
Sounds about right
Gud
featuring "Dante" from Devil May Cry!
According to Tetsuya Nomura, the goal of Dream Drop Distance’s Story was, and it quoting him here, “to be as complicated as possible” you were totally fucked from the beginning Johnny...
Thats a terrible writing goal, even if he made the story like that on purpose that doesnt make it good/ passable in any way...
the director said it, not me. I suppose something like this was inevitable with a storline as confuseing as Kingdom Hearts is to start with.
Luigi_is_real_2401 Atleast he is finally being honest
WTF? Any sensible writer who writes cohesive story would never ever say that shit!
"Any sensible writer who writes cohesive story" That is clearly not Nomura. Hell it was clear without that quote.
Now that Kingdom Hearts is over...
*LET'S DO THE ODYSSEY.*
Yee.
*Yes-ie
YEE.
Odyssey
*_YES-IE_*
isaacplayer42 No Cuphead first!
No matter what I can't bring myself to hate this game, I love the world's in it.
The World Ends With You! Now THAT is a game I would LOVE Johnny's opinion on!
"And now we review Kingdom Hearts Triple D: Diners, Drive-ins, and Dives."
"And now we review Kingdom Hearts 3D, or 'King Dedede' for short."
Kingdom hearts crash/sonic/samus edition+sponsor and knuckles only on SCMJ
GoD Razz featuring dante form DMC :D
on the 23dsxl
As Shadow MLG super ultra Deluxe XL Expansion pack Wii U DX EX
+GoDRazz *SPOILER ALERT* After Nintendo is wiped out Haedox turns on his friends & learns robotics to make a robotic Tailsdoll that has the same personality of the character from Johnny's previous videos. Changing his name to Pigsaw. Exoparadigmgamer wakes up the next day only to discover that his brother has been murdered by robo Tailsdoll & Game Mavericks has been wiped out while the other two members have been murdered. Determined to avenge his brother & old friends Exo sets out to stop Haedox & save UA-cam when he discovers that the president is truly insane.
I think the spaciousness of the worlds in DDD was because it was on the 3DS and the devs wanted people to experience the worlds with the 3D on.
It's a stretch, but I know square enix loves showing off cool hardware tricks.
Ah... yes the KH game that introduced arguably the most broken thing ever...
Bubbles...
Andre Stewart FUCKING BUBBLES (aww feels like 2012)
Yup the ultimate weapon of Caesar Zepelli. Now KH fans know what it’s like to be SHIZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.
Javier Molina my new technique
BUBBLE BAJORA
aka, only way to be Franken-pete.
A.K.A DAMN IT! You beat me to it.
My personal rankings of the series from best to worst
Story:
1. Kingdom Hearts II
2. Birth by Sleep
3. 358/2 Days
4. Kingdom Hearts
5. DDD
6. Re: Chain of Memories
7. Re: Coded
Overall:
1. Kingdom Hearts II
2. Kingdom Hearts
3. Dream Drop Distance
4. Birth by Sleep
5. Re: Coded
6. Re: Chain of Memories
7. 358/2 Days
Can't really rank them in terms of gameplay coz I liked something different about the gameplay in most of them.
Kalernor have you played the gba version of chain of memories
Here's mine
Story:
1. Xchi/Union Cross
2.Chain of Memories
3.KH2
4.Birth By Sleep
5.DDD
6.358/2 days
7.KH1
8.Re:coded
Gameplay:
1.KH2
2.Re:Coded
3.KH1
4.DDD
5.Birth By Sleep
6.Chain of memories
7.Xchi/Union Cross
8.358/2 days
It may seem very unnatural to some people but hey, we all got different sides and views.
Fulbright Gamer
Glad to see someone else who really likes Re:Coded. While it probably is the worst in terms of the plot fitting into overarching story (frankly, I feel that the best thing DDD’s plot does is give Re:Coded some more relevance to the overarching story, but that isn’t saying a whole lot in the end for now.), I think the gameplay is genuinely solid. Definitely flawed (I hate the virus sections for code portals. It sucks when you are trying to get the rewards and you have to start all over again because overpowered enemies killed you, and you had to wager all your SP. And the FPS section of Hallow Bastion lasts for way too long) but still a fun time.
Kalernor Autism.
How is an Opinion Autism?
When it's Johnny time, I don't need sleep!
Nana-Kyoto drop :12.1
Nana-Kyoto ITS JOHNNY TIME
Johnny don't need any sleep haha
>Says KH2 is the best game in the series and Days is the worst
BEST TASTE
As a huge KH fan who loves the story I can totally see why you don't care about it, and I can easily agree about your other points, I hope you see this message because you made the best review of all these games and have a new subscriber.
Johnny has finally finished the Kingdom Hearts N.Sane Mania Returns & Knuckles marathon! Congratulations on getting through the marathon and here's to the next set of videos coming soon...(maybe).
Kingdom Hearts: Dry Wet Dive is a title that would be expected with the previous title of this franchise
Kairi is being trained as a keyblade master, and I'm sure it'll be a grand spectacle once we get to Kingdom Hearts III..."
Well rip.
Kingdom Hearts Mania: Samus Returns N. Sane Trilogy & Knuckles On-Demand
I saw an ad for Coffee before the video came on, I'm watching a Some call me Johnny video. It was apart of his plan all along, he went into time and had this video only play ads referencing coffee
I was able to follow the story up until this point but this one broke me. I’m just in it for the pretty colors at this point
Eh, I like the characters. The story is a cluster fuck.
thank you for this marathon; as someone who has no interest in Kingdom Hearts I have loved watching all your videos on this franchise and hearing your thoughts on it.
*time travel plot*
*_JOHNNY CRACKS THE WHIP AGAIN_*
And I thought Metal Gear's overarching plot was messed up. But that actually seems well thought out compared to this. And Xehanort? His body-snatching habits are worse than Sigma's.
Johnny's little giggle at 5:59 always gets me. Lol.
Is this that game where Frollo insults your clothes
You know he was already my favorite Disney villain but this makes me like him 100 times more
When you referred to the game as "Triple D" I was thinking "oh shit, Double D from Ed, Edd n Eddy got an upgrade!"
_Also I'm very curious as to what that shirt is your wearing..._
Great marathon Johnny. I ended up picking up the KH1, 2, BBS compilation on ps4 because of you and god damn I can't believe I didn't even bother trying this series until now. Thanks for introducing me to what's now one of my favourite game series.
I loved the Dream Eaters. I was always reminded of Pokemon Amie from X & Y. I never went overboard with the Dream Eaters, though. Just found a combo I liked and stuck with it. The Ghost Drive form Riku gets is insanely powerful, so I always had those guys equipped. Sure, in battle, ally spirits don't do a whole bunch, but that never bothered me. They were simply extentions of my abilities and I very much enjoyed replaying DDD on my PS4. Didn't even use the Balloon spell that much until I had to fight Julius.
I absolutely adore the plot twist in kh ddd. It all makes (almost) perfect sense if you pay attention to the details and use your head
Or they can not involve time travel?
AW SHIT BOIS, THE KINGDOM HEARTS STREAK IS BACK ON
“We’ve arrived at our last stop for the Kingdom Hearts marathon”
DAMMIT
I know you have thousands of people who feel this way, but I need to express my gratitude to you for all the quality content. Also, your intro is by far the best original intro on youtube
Probably not going to happen, but I hope Symphony of Sorcery makes a return in the series. There are still several segments from both the Fantasia movies that would be worth exploring, most especially the Firebird Suite.
You did it, John! Yo finished the Kingdom Hearts Marathon! Hopefully, the later marathons aren't as draining for you. As much as I love the KH series, I agree that playing through all the games with some of them being just average must've been tiring.
Definitely gotta agree with the criticism of the series' plot here. Every time they jam a new layer into Xehanort's grand plan it just undermines things even further.
This is most apparent when looking at Xemnas' plan in KH2 - "use Kingdom Hearts to restore the lost hearts of the Organization members". Yet even in that game it was contradictory - not only did half the Organization deliberately turn themselves into Nobodies (or so we're led to believe), they're actually significantly more powerful than the vast majority of people with hearts now (and we were led to believe this was at least in part due to their transformations) and the whole "no hearts means no emotions" thing was already contradicted WITHIN that very game.
But then you learn about Xehanort's past actions in BBS and new plan in DDD, and all logic flies completely out the window. Why didn't Xehanort's Heartless and Nobody work together? Why didn't Xemnas use time travel to bring his past self forward to handle the heart collection? Why did Xehanort make no effort to find (or make) new Organization recruits, if the need for 13 was so important? Why didn't he do literally anything to further the BBS plan to forge the X-blade?
Then there's the problem with so many games being retreads and/or filler. It's like Square figures since they could get away with it for CoM, why not just do it ALL THE TIME? (Even though CoM had more plot development than any game other than KH1 or BBS, just jammed in between filler/retread worlds.)
It really makes it hard to give a shit about the series.
As for the gameplay... well, you've definitely got a bit of a different opinion than I do, but there's a good chunk of overlap too. I knew how Flowmotion was going to go from the moment I heard of it, and... yeah, it went about exactly as expected. KH2 style unnaturally open and empty worlds, a barrage of pointless treasure chests, combat largely feeling poorer for it. Implementing Flowmotion from the very start was a bad, bad idea - instead of being something the protagonists build up in pieces from world to world (much like Abilities in KH1/KH2) it's shoved in from the start and every world and enemy has to be "balanced" around it.
Worlds are excessively open. This works with the Fantasia world; a magical world of big, lush environments. Also for The World That Never Was, as the "empty" feeling these wide open spaces give is thematically appropriate. But it feels jarring in Traverse Town, going from the small KH1 areas to the massive spaces everywhere else. And it makes the rest of the worlds feel... well, just like filler. A problem that was ALREADY being caused by the plot. This was really frustrating with the Tron world, which had a lot of potential for having Sora pursue the restore-Rinzer plot while Riku followed the movie plot, only to abort Sora's plot and kick him on to the next world. Yeah, great, glad I could dick around in those giant, pointlessly flashy environments in order to ACHIEVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
Bosses are set up so that Flowmotion is less effective against them (moving too much for the flashy attacks, hitting you too hard during the windup, or the boss arena just not having convenient Flowmotion launch points), and when you finally move away from Flowmotion to late-game powerful attack skills... it doesn't feel like an upgrade.
And good lord, the Drop system. I loved the timer in Majora's Mask, which actually affected the whole world (drastically less so outside Clock Town, but even so). This one, while it never actually caused me any real grief, was still bullshit. The entire plot potential was COMPLETELY wasted outside of Traverse Town and TWTNW, and in a game where all other worlds already felt like pure filler (or ABORTED PLOT LINES) there was just no reason to do this instead of combining the duplicate worlds and giving the players one, more complete, run through of each world. At least make the Drop shuffle between Sora and Riku in the SAME, ACTIVE world - with workarounds for the bosses, like maybe some FF7 final boss style encounter where each group takes a turn fighting the same boss.
All of this sort of stuff combined, and I'm really not at all excited for Kingdom Hearts 3. I'm not even sure I'm INTERESTED. The first game was a wonderful mix of great story, great gameplay, great design all around... KH2 did worse in every aspect except gameplay, but the improved combat design was dragged back down by the terrible difficulty balancing, turning Sora into a no-effort murder machine through either Reaction Commands or a ridiculous amount of stacking white attack modifiers, and having all the levels be wide, empty hallways. BBS fared a bit better, but every other game was just considerably worse, constantly being jammed full of filler and having stupidly experimental concepts replace parts of their predecessors.
I look towards KH3 and I don't think "oh man, I can't wait!"... I think "what are they going to butcher or get weird with this time?"
What about 0.2? How do you feel about that game?
I mean KH3 is relying more heavily on the Disney elements, and tying them to the overarching plot similar to 1. The gameplay also seems to be taking most of its cues from KH2. Idk, seems like there's still a lot of great looking things to be interested in regarding 3 despite the story likely still having time travel shenanigans.
I never picked 2.8 up. I don't have a PS4, and I couldn't really imagine buying 2.8 even if I did; I already own and beat DDD on the 3DS.
As for KH3... honestly, I haven't been following it at all. I followed KH2 really hard back when that was a thing - I still remember when Roxas was "BHK". And I was really disappointed by how overhyped that had made me for the game. I'd been looking forward to the mechanics of having two protagonists, I'd been REALLY looking forward to resolving the considerable amount of plot threads and character arcs left dangling from CoM, I'd been looking forward to some of the amazing looking fights like the early concept for the 1000 Heartless one... and we get Roxas as a tutorial-only character, the CoM plot threads tossed in the ditch with no regard, a general lack of connected plot across all the worlds, and not only a severely watered down 1000 Heartless fight, but an incredibly low difficulty even on Proud Mode, with only a few standout bosses that weren't even that fun - because using magic/summons was normally a waste of resources rather than a useful mechanic, so you were only trying them out for real DURING the fights. (A low-level playthrough I did later WAS incredibly fun, though, and actually required me to use different Drive forms, summons, and spells depending on the fights. Two bosses that stand out - Jafar was ridiculously hard, and I couldn't beat Barbossa without Wisdom Form.)
Ever since that letdown, I've made sure to never closely follow a game's development again.
Nyzer for me jafar wasn't that hard. Just had to time the right time to use and trigger the reaction commands. Barbossa for sure I'll agree is fun.
I definitely am surprised by your comments on wanting Roxas to have had a more substantial playable role, most people seemed to have wanted Sora and only Sora.
But yeah back to 3, yeah most of the stuff being shown seems promising, and they're relying a lot more on the Disney aspect of it finally.(Disney is being more on hands with it to be fair, so that makes sense.) a lot of the Disney worlds seem to have story relevance to the ongoing arc, similar to KH1, while the gameplay is more of a hybrid of 2/BBS(with no command deck stuff) 0.2 is a decent way to get an idea of the game, and even Johnny found himself loving that title despite its short length. Yeah there'll be the time travel and dumb stuff brought up, but for once, if 3 can deliver on all the other fronts and deliver fun separate story arcs and character interactions, I think most people can get over it and just enjoy the game.
Ah, good ol' Kingdom Hearts 3 Part 1.
Story:
CHAIN OF MEMORIES: Greatest personal stakes for the hero, Riku's character development. Mystery and hope. Great non-xehanort villains.
KH2: Closure and ending, grand stakes, sacrifices with payoff, but very nonlinear storytelling.
KH1: simple and clean storytelling. Disney is a bit more involved.
358: The manga is better. The only reason why it's ranked higher in story, is that people like the roxas tutorial retelling.
The story pacing is by far the worst out of all of them.
CODED: I got some emotional investment towards this kh1 retelling. One of the weakest stories.
BIRTH BY SLEEP: potential new characters, most easy to understand story, but Xehanorts obvious evil, very idiotic decisions, and avoidable downer ending drags this plot down really hard.
DDD: Villain sue Xehanort hijacked the series, undermined *everything* KH related, time travel plotholes, while being the least straightforward story. The absolute worst story that killed my interest until maybe KH4.
So uh...
Opinion on KH3, both story and gameplay-wise?
Aren't the seven lights the Keyblade warriors? Sora, Riku, Kairi, Mickey etc?
Also we don't need to forget the plans of Ansem, Seeker of Darkness and Xemnas, if one of them succedeed there would be no need for the story of Dream Drop Distance to happen. Just because the antagonists cannonicaly failed, doesn't mean the stories in those games are worthless. I personally love how overaching the story is and how it manages to encapsulate so many games, and I don't deny the fact that this wasn't planned from the beginning - it's great how they managed to make it so that everything in the previous games was connected somehow.
KH3 needs a TWEWY world
Probably wont happen. There won't be. An FF world so i doubt there will e a TWEWY one either.
Radiant Garden is an FF world though. It's a garden from FF8.
GreyouTT No it's not a FF world. I just looked it up, no Radiant Garden is in FF8. So it's not a FF world. Also it was already confirmed there won't be a FF world in KH3 in a interview.
Thanks for doing the whole series! It was a wild ride, but it was a fun one regardless. Excited to see new reviews!
Great review, Johnny! The best part was when you fell asleep and AntDude woke up (and also when you drank coffee while flipping off the Drop meter just as it was counting down). 😂
So far, _Dream Drop Distance_ is the only game in the series I’ve ever played. The main attraction for me was the world based on _The Hunchback of Notre Dame_, given that that is my favorite Disney movie.
what a crazy marathon I actually feel like I kind of understand the story now and I haven't played any of these games that's how good Johnny is at explaining things
7:39 I'm sorry, John, but nobodies were hinted to have hearts as early as KH2, and the entire point of Days was just screaming this to the player. It's not a retcon or plot twist, it was just build up until they finally decided to flat out say it. I don't blame you if it did catch you off guard though, because you didn't really care that much about the story anyway.
No, kh2 was about them wanting heart's and 358/2 was just a way to milk some of that roxas sadness. The only reason this exist is because Nomura was doing what he does best. Explaining things that already had a perfectly adequate explanation.
The kingdom hearts crash insane mania return of samus jump and KNUCKLES CHAOTIX marathon
Kingdom Hearts killed me once they started dropping shit after 2. Would've rather they gone the Final Fantasy route where they have different characters in different universes with similar creatures and magic (like everyone being keyblade users, but from different universes) with a simple enough story. but uuuugghhh everyone needs continuity today apparently.
Nukara Rikova BBS is all i can appreciate honestly. Its just man this series has dragged on for so long I can only care about Sora for so long. Now its just a wait for Sora to reach godhood because square enix writing.
Nukara Rikova oh yeah I'm definitely the minority of this series. I have no idea how so many people can still want so much more. Its just my completionist attitude just really wants me to finish this series and be done with it. Maybe have some discussions with friends over dinner about how we felt about the game and that's it. Then I just wait another 20 years for Final Fantasy XVI in hopes it wont be ass like XV (i'm digressing now)
@@Zendoheim Why do you saying like wanting continuity is a bad thing? The dumb thing about Final Fantasy is that you expect me to believe that each game takes place in a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AND UNIQUE UNIVERSE or WORLD but yet the monsters and spell names are the same. Gotta really make sure that your audience is playing a FF game I suppose.
kingdom hearts is one of those series that i like to look at from afar. learning all the lore and character stuff is interesting and the fact that some of the characters are as deep as 2-ply toilet paper doesn't matter because if i only see small tidbits of cutscenes they're in i can pretend they're more interesting then they actually are. yaaayyy!!
HOLY GEEZ JOHN
YOU AND ANTDUDE RELEASED A VIDEO ABOUT THIS GAME AT THE SAME TIME
GOTTA GO FAST EY JOHN?
Dat Boi From The Wifi Zone GOTTA GO FASTER
Just started marathoning your Kingdom Hearts reviews yesterday. And was surprised when I got a notification for this.
Okay kids best brush up on string theory and quantum mechanics to understand time travel for Kingdom Hearts 3!
Oh wait it's plot convenience time travel because...water is wet!
Thanks for going through all the KH games, I'll never have time to play them all myself, so always fun to get your take on them.
"That's nuts."
-Sora, Dream Drop Distance
Thank you so much for this retrospective. KH II was the last one I played, right after release, when I was 16. I lost track entirely of what is actually going on. Now I can dive into KH III when it comes out in 2019 and won't miss a beat. Again Thank you so much. Arceus bless you.
this series has a rabbit hole so long that by the end of this it will put metal gear to shame. keeping track of it all is time consuming, frustrating even and frankly, mentally exhausting not to mention extremely unforgiving in terms of accessibility if someone's looking to get into it in ANY sort of detail. shit like this is like a life commitment and many people just don't have the time or energy to invest into something this insanely convoluted.
I mean they're balls deep down the rabbit hole and Velvet isn't complaining, might as well go deeper.
Been great going on this journey with you John. Loved this marathon!
Hmmmmm.....
How bout “Kingdom Hearts Mania; Crash, Knuckles & Samus Returns”?
& Knuckles
Some Guy: Boy! Metal Gear has THE most convoluted story ever!
Nomura: *HOLD MA BEER* !
Sorry, never heard of it.
At least Dream Eaters don't die in 2 hits :p
no matter how many times i watch this channel that intro music still kicks ass
Ugh, I hate it when a game just shits on the other games that came before. That, and time travel does NOT make for good plot devices 9 times out of 10
that drop skit was so damn perfect oh my lord
7:16 and I thought the best joke of this marathon was birth by sleep with the card shit.
I got the 1.5+2.5 pack on ps4 right after Johnny started the marathon, just out of sheer curiosity, and because of that I got to experience the magic of 1 and 2, and the confusing story with all the other games (bought DDD a few years back, but never finished it/didn't know what was going on), and for that Johnny, I thank you.
You can tell Johnny wants to get to reviewing Mario Odyssey.
He didn't even prepare a cup of coffee for the beginning of the video
Also, looking forward to the Sonic Forces stuff both here and on BSC :)
Giving the Drop meter the bird is 10/10 content. Fantastic.
I’m surprised you didn’t mention the reveal that Riku is apparently a Dream Eater. Even when I first played this game, that had me scratching my head.