Tim Heidecker on Right Wing Comedy | Howie Mandel Does Stuff
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Recently rewatched Police Academy, laughed my ass off when someone dropped jigaboo as a slur.
Don't be a coward like Tim Hiedecker!! Invite Sam Hyde as a guest!
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Yeah he really needs to grow a pair and have him on.
Listen to your fans, we want Sam Hyde.
Think it, Dream it, Do it
I love you
@@sheateeley1 Think it, Dream it, Do it
The Candyman can
The ghost Kyiv is all seeing.
think it, dream it, do it
I like how Tim brings up a point about film actors being assholes and then Howie acts like an asshole to that girl for just bringing something up which he didn't think was relevant.
There’s definitely a Peter Pannish man child “I don’t wanna grow up” aspect to a lot of those 80s Bill Murray roles too. Especially the ones where he leads some group of Lost Boys, like Stripes.
I thought it was an interesting elaboration and definitely related to the Murray commentary.
How did Howie not understand why she brought it up lol
Yes I like it too, she was completely irrelevant
That girl is his daughter. It’s playful ribbing.
Love Tim but...Ive seen him bully a lot of people. He did a who segment moking joe rogan podcast. Did another one telling him to shut the fuck up. Makes fun of people he doesnt like all the time. He just called bill murray an asshole. We wasnt, he was an everyman, or a underdog. I dont think he sees that he is an arrogant asshole himself.
Can’t remember who said it but someone out there brought up a point that Bill Murray movies usually had him acting like a jerk, getting his comeuppance, and changing his ways while Chevy Chase movies he didn’t have arcs like that.
Chevy Chase thought being an asshole was fine yet Chevy Chase was always a leftist. I'm not sure why asshole equaled right wing in this conversation because Bill Murry is probably registered Dem also. I' don't know. I'm just taking a guess.
Tarantino makes this point on Rogan
Chevy Chase is a Saint and a willingness to engage in banter does not make one a jerk. People overreacted when Kanye, Denzel or whoever couldn’t banter off camera on that TV show that Harmon made. But who ever it was, they never made Fletch so who cares?
A comedian shouldn’t be penalized for not conforming to the guidelines of a character arc or a three act structure archetype. Or maybe we should chastise Glenn Gould for playing the piano “too quickly”. Hard to say… but I do know that Howie Mandel is the greatest comedian of this generation and perhaps any generation.
Nothing about it feels Conservative or liberal. This was a weird take.
@@schizophrenic_AI the level of racism displayed by this comment is hilariously close to chevys
My wife's boyfriend doesn't like Tim's comedy, but I think he's hilarious.
I'm sure your wife's boyfriend is very nice... but he's wrong
And what do you think of Tim Heidecker?
Agreed. Two kinds of people in this world.. people who get Tim and Eric and people who don't... the latter of which are wasting oxygen
@@Dbales34 The torch has passed on. Tim and Eric were funny. Key word. Were.
@@BigEvan96 we are talking about a form of media entertainment which continues to exist.. inexorably.. i can still watch an episode (present tense) from season 1 and be entertained.. as can most with half a sense of humor
“I was always distespected and made fun of”
“Im sure”
Hilarious diss
Lol I thought the same thing.
Think it.
Dream it.
Do it.
=tarrie green!
Cringe it.
I think I know what he means, but I'm not sure Bill Murray movies are the best analogy. Scrooged and Groundhog Day are two of the absolute best examples of depicting main characters who are complete assholes that suffer greatly specifically because they're assholes, and only finally achieve happiness after they slowly and painfully learn how to be truly selfless.
He's really creepy in Ghostbusters though, forcing his way into Sigourney Weaver's apartment and still getting her in the end.
Probably more in Stripes as a better example
@@Football__Junkie Haven't seen it, what does he do?
@@Anton-wk8lv well he goes from arrogant, lazy, out of shape, jobless bum with no respect for anyone to a war hero and gets a hot chick. All without becoming a better person. That’s probably the best way I could sum it up
Those are a couple movies of his that lasted. At the top of his career though he was churning out movies where he was like an arrogant witty guy putting down everything around him constantly. Hell, that’s the character in Scrooged and Groundhog Day too, it’s just those movies kind of require him to learn a lesson in them and in his lesser movies he just kind of cruises through
Howie doesn’t even need guests, he’s just going to talk over them all day anyway
THINK IT. DREAM IT. DO IT.
lol loser, it's the end, just accept it....
You're not a sheep!
@@revelationreflection everybody are, specially his fans.
Why do people keep saying this?
At what point in your life do you decide I'm going to wear sunglasses all the time
At some point between age 35 and 3 million dollars.
today
THINK IT
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OkAy
Glad they spent at least a little time talking about movies! 🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿
5 bags and a little plastic old timey pocket watch from captain hook
* REAL BUFFHEAD SPOTTED *
3 bags of soda and 3 bags of popcorn
Vics mic has been a bit for a while, but I love the full face blockage! Rock it man!
This is a great episode for Bobby's World-heads. At five minutes and thirty nine seconds, it's not the longest clip on UA-cam, but it's a good one.
I find Tim and Eric extremely hilarious but there is another aspect to their art which I really appreciate which is this really surreal world that exists in their comedy that is super unsettling, almost bordering on like a horror nightmare but then somehow has an endearing quality to it.
Does Eric still make comedy? Haven't heard from him in ages
Agree. Makes you think.
I’ve always thought about the venn diagram of comedy and horror and how certain elements of both might possibly tickle us in the same region of the brain. Maybe it’s that fear and laughter both relate to a panic response because they often relate to us feeling uncomfortable or misdirected, the responses to both feel like they’re part of the same system. This is probably what they unknowingly tap into in us that creates such a tug of war between what’s scary and what’s funny, or a particular blend of the two.
@@yugen He gets into it in the full episode. They still do stuff together all the time. The last show they did was beef house.
@@gregorydjohnson read Georges Bataille erotism, will blow your mind
Police Academy? The movie is about a bunch of misfits who try to be cops and the movie makes fun of the police institution all the time. The heroes are only jerks to the authority (Captain Harris, Mouser, etc) and in the end they "save the day". Did he see the movies?
He's a liberal, he doesn't care about facts.
Tim and Eric feels like having a hilarious fever dream.
I love it!
It's fun to see Howie appreciate Tim! He deserves it!
On cinema is the most amazing show I’ve ever seen. It’s hilarious the universe he created is amazing. It’s nothing short of amazing how he was able to look at himself and construct basically the biggest idiot he could is genius Tim Heidecker is a complete and utter genius and if you don’t believe it, it’s because you haven’t seen it.
When you have movies like bill Murray in then you can’t lose
That hidden face on his sleeve when he puts his arm up at 3:30 😳
Damn!
It never occurred to me that Carrot Top had an actual first or last name. Huh, Scott? Never would’ve guessed.
So which is it; Is Scott his first or last name? So his name is either Scott Carrot Top or Carrot Top Scott. It's strange he'd drop the one normal sounding name for his public persona.
Scott Thompson.
You should listen to the Opie and Anthony show/clip where Patrice O’ Neal googles his name in front of him. He did the same thing to Gallagher too.
RIP Patrice
Is it just me or are a disproportionate amount of redheads named "Scott"? I guess... Scotch. Makes sense
@@defaultusername123 Scott Thompson, isn’t one of the Kids in the Hall also named Scott Thompson?
Loved that they mentioned little monsters!
I would watch normal size monsters if you guys made it!!
"I haven't fully thought this out."
Ayn Rand inspired Reaganism was the philosophy of that era, so it came through in every big movie one way or another, especially comedies.
The will of individual men, jerks or not, against the state and fate itself, on a mission to get rich and successful, was the theme in almost every comedy.
Practically pointing this out to Zemeckis was the reason Crispin Glover wasn't in Back To The Future 2.
which is why that era of movies is so cringeworthy nobody cares or watches them anymore lol
@@gubberfuck agreed! Ghostbusters was pure right wing propaganda trash
@@MarvinMonroe 🤨
@@MarvinMonroe What propaganda? Any putz can set up his own ghost hunting business? Any schmuck can refuse the advances of a possessed woman?
ayn rand was also just bad at prose
Nice to see Douggpound
Who was Tim referring to in Police academy as being the rewarded asshole?
If he’s talking about Mahoney then that’s nothing new and quite classic comedy, so much so that cartoons parodied it e.g. Tom and Jerry, Coyote and the roadrunner, woody woodpecker etc…
I think he was just talking about the over the top machismo douche archetype being rewarded in 80s movies. His examples are a bit off though. He does not like Bill Murray for some reason, but Bill seems like he was probably one of the more enlightened comedic actors of the 80s. He did do that Hunter Thompson movie, and Razor's edge.
@@hurkamur1 The razors edge was most certainly not written by Hunter S. Thompson. You are thinking of the film "where the Buffalo roam"
@@nickgreen2905 Yes, I know this, I own copies of the entirety of Hunter Thompson's published work. Where did I imply that he wrote razor's edge?
"you can succeed if you're a jerk".... Gets world peace cancelled
Hes much more of a self righteous prick than an asshole, I prefer people who know they’re assholes
Yep
World peace ran its course
@@revelationreflection 1 season isn’t running its course
god how long are you guys gonna run with this.. I know you don't actually give a shit what actually happened but here it is:
Tim publicly said he didn't like the show. Adult Swim canceled the show because advertisers didn't want their stuff near it.
the show was canceled.
Sam Hyde blamed Tim and got all his little lame followers to go after him.
Adult Swim has canceled *multiple* Heidecker projects. he doesn't have anywhere near the power to dictate what they do or don't cancel. let it go and stop bitching. MDE was nowhere near as funny as you guys think it was, you just salivated because it pushed into some racist territory. .
Looking forward to the Mandel and Heidecker bluegrass album
I smell a Grammy
“The universe. What a concept” killz me weekly
Never really thought of these old movies as right wing or left wing. What's up with Timmy?
He can only think of things in a political binary because he's boring and can only feel something when he's fucked up
Political hack
@@LethalWeapon369 aww, his opinion got you triggered?
@@vogelvogeltje no I hate right wing comedy even more. For sure not triggered, just think politics are fuckin gay!
He says himself that he's struggling to come up with the right terminology because he hasn't considered it deeply enough, I think I understood his point of view though.
If you look at a lot of the old comedy movies, it's not even that they aren't PC- some are actively homophobic, transphobic and racist at points.
Now that it isn't as popular and normalised to treat other people that way anymore, you can see a clear shift within media reflecting that change.
I don't think what he meant was that old comedy movies had a political agenda or were considering themselves right-wing.
The point I think Tim was getting at is simply that as we have progressed socially so has our media, and a lot of our old media reflects attitudes and opinions of the time which would be considered right-wing today.
The read of 80s ‘asshole’ comedies is really astute. I like Ghostbusters and Police Academy and those movies, but he’s totally correct the protagonists are slacker, selfish pricks who never really grow or evolve much.
Even as a kid, I always thought the way Murray acted in Ghostbusters was kinda offputting and shitty. Still got a lot of redeeming elements, but Tim’s right in that one
I am new to the Howie experience & I am experienced like a Remora Fishy fish as who wants to touch those urinal handles, door knobs & on occasion *_people who love you to feel their breath so close it doesn't have a chance to cool..._*
???
I liked it when Howie Mandell starting begging at the end to work with them. That was tbe best part.
I don’t know if you can say that 80’s comedy’s, relative to 80’s right wing politics, are on the same wave length
textbook example of a beta male virtue signaling
He doesn’t know what he’s talking about, he’s a CYA lefty in Hollywood.
It's almost like he doesn't have a clue what he's talking about
@@andystegall7407 agreed. I think he’s letting his Twitter personality take over here
@@yrrej9696 This whole video was garbage and I'm upset for watching it because it wasted my time.
Fun Fact: Tim Heidecker's role in "Eastbound and Down" is 100% based on his real life.
"My testosterone is very low"
So sawft, so low energy. He couldn't hang in my neighborhood. That's for sure!
For someone commenting negatively on Tim a lot you sure do seem to know a bunch about things he's been in lmao. Obsessed?
So he plays an untalented comedian trying to gate keep better up and coming comedians?
@@roundabout468 naw lil homie. I'm not chasing Timmy, Timmy keeps popping up in my world... bunch of my homies were on the Wilmington production crew for east bound (one of the few truly inspired comedies) casting agent (Allison?) is a genius
Think it dream it do it…
Format your brain
It is weird seeing Tim having a straight conversation.
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4:22 - Tim, it’s not resetting the microwave time, it’s setting the time on the VCR!
Sam Hyde didn’t do it !!!!
Wow. I have newfound respect for carrot top after this video.
Think it, dream it, do it
snowflake, you've been cucked, just accept it...
Who would’ve ever thought Howie was so tapped in
I genuinely want to see Normal Sized Monsters
You need to get these dudes back on your show! You and your daughter have a great vibe
howie interviews himself
Trying to wrap my head around Tim Heidecker defending Carrot Top.
You ever seen carrot’s act?
"Peter Pan was an asshole kidnapping kids and was rewarded."
Ummm, no he wasn't. He was just showing them an dreamworld.
Not unlike Mr. Conductor from Shining Time Station.
And the kids were also allready dead
Tim doesn't know anything😂
Wasn’t the original story like that though? Like didn’t he kidnap kids?
He was saving them from the adult world that neglected them in childhood and then expected them to grow up (quite literally feeding them to the wolves/crocodiles of passing time)
....I don't think that was a point for serious discussion
they are really crammed up on that couch
I love 80s movies. I love Police Academy. I love many Bill Murray movies.
Which is why I love groundhog Day so much. Phil Connors only gets rewarded once he becomes a good person
I would class things like American Pie and the more irreverent Will Ferrel movies from the 2000’s as having some of that same vibe Tim’s talking about at the beginning
Ferrel and the likes characters are more lovable idiots that sometimes can be jerks . The jerk isn’t the main push of the characters for most of them. Same with any seth regen, Steve carrell, Jason segel etc. I’d say Sandler fits the bill better
And the ironic thing, those are the movies that liberals love the most.
Tim is drunk and he watches too much CNN.
Those 80s comedies were all anti-establishment. Funny he brings up Police Academy. That’s a film about regular everyday people entering and changing a system. All of Bill Murray’s movies are this basic conceit.
If Tim can’t recognize this it might be because he is part of the establishment now. Every late night host proudly displays their politics, which is fine. That’s their choice. But it’s all uniform at this point.
Its not fine. This left-wing bubble in entertainment absolutely sucks.
@@andystegall7407 Reality has a liberal bias
You really think that was the message of Police Academy? It was a stupid teen comedy with obligatory 80's T&A.
The recruits didnt *change* the system. They BECAME the system.
@@Teeveepicksures More like liberals believe in a biased reality.
@@Teeveepicksures left wing and liberal aren’t the same thing.
I doubt many standup comedy fans under 40 would know Howie used to do standup 🤔
Hook had the kids as basically slaves on his ship...so
No one is saying it wasnt hot
@@wilmcl9209 ‘dicey dicey’ 😂
Tim has a good point, remember how in Ghostbusters the EPA were the villains? The good guys were the ones printing money with their backstrapped unlicensed nuclear accelerators
Well yeah because the EPA represented 'the man' - it represented the government, it represented the establishment. It represented red-tape and order - rules and regulations that stiffle good work and creativity.
Although the Ghostbusters were pseudo-scientists they could be be considered the counter culture, the underdogs wanting to help rid the community of ghosts. Were they indulging in a little fame and seeking some fortune, yes. But they weren't bad people.
It's still not a right-wing take. Perhaps many right-wingers might share the sentiments against the EPA but the EPA was more than that. Like I said, they represented the man. Ghostbusters could be seen as very left-leaning by all other accounts. I also think people forget that left leaning people can and will share and have overlap with those on the right. And that overlap on either side doesn't inherhently make either the oppossite.
The government are the good guys? Wonder who you're voting for haha
EPA? You mean the thing Nixon did?
@@dirtymike1274 there's no good guys and bad guys. You know that, right? There's just...a bunch of guys. " wOndEr whO yUoRe VoTInG fOr"
@@oophorror2251 sure
Eric Wareheim is very Peter Pan-esque
I take exception to the idea that Bill Murray's characters are rewarded for being assholes. Scrooged, Ground Hog Day, What About Bob, Rushmore, even as far back as Stripes; his characters might start out as assholes, but redeem themselves at the end of the movie. Chevy Chase movies on the other hand, the Fletch character, and Vacation movies had many sequels based on his characters never changing. You want Clark Griswald to flip out and loose it every movie. Or you want Fletch to try some sneaky disguise and get into some crazy situation.
And I would take a 24 hour marathon of ghostbusters 2 over ghostbusters 2016 anyday!
Let's see libtard feminist Heidecker try to defend that steaming pile of crap.
Think It,
Dream It,
Do it!!!
"I haven't fully thought this out." "-Peter Pan-"
Commmeddddy
I knew I hated tim heidecker but for him to diss 80s comedy, which was fucking great; that's going to far
dude he’s so intertwined in politics he’s absolutely sick with anger
For real. He doesn't even look well here. Dead-eyed and miserable.
@@tuanjim799he is getting old, not everyone ages like wine
He still gets calls on his shows being trolled dude is bitter
Its sad to see
I've been a fan of his comedy but he is a miserable pr!ck in real life, and his beliefs are disgusting.
Right wing comedy is seen as being insensitive. They're not gonna care if you call them racist natsees because they get called that anyway for even slightly disagreeing with politically correct groupthink. They'll just roll with it and it's endearing. On the other hand, you have left wing comedy, which is to have no comedy at all. Dave Chappelle, Seinfeld, Chris Rock, and many others have given up performing at college campuses because they crowds are too sensitive. So would you rather have Bill Murray movies, or nothing?
Yep, liberals aren't insensitive to anyone at all... *rolls eyes*
Tim really trying to hide that he doesn’t care for Carrot Top. Neil Hamburger had a bit where he shits on Carrot Top for being a prop comic 😂
Typical hypocrite liberal.
He's just a contrarian. Its no secret he doesnt like the tackiness of the cult of Bill Murray and sees him as mediocre (which is sort of part of his charm). I think on some level Tim identifies with Bill Murray's perceived mediocrity, as he sees it, and recognizes it in himself.
I love TH work in the main, love Bed Time Stories but the web stuff is generally not interesting or engaging, i know it is supposed to be that way to reflect the banality of the medium but still...I think Eric balances him out in way and is the more colorful/visual of the two of them, it would seem.
I loved all of his shows, including Awesome Show, Bedtime Stories, Decker, and Beef House, but his hypocritical liberal beliefs are making me hate him as a person.@@dl1279
That is literally Tim’s character in comedy. And Bill wasn’t a dick to just be a dick. He often played a jaded or disgruntled man, who then learns his lesson by the end of the film.
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"The lovable asshole" was not a trope because the right wing establishment wanted to brainwash people into being assholes lol, that's just an inherently interesting character archetype. A character being able to get the audience on their side, despite being objectively not a great person, is just the mark of an engaging and charismatic personality. There's just something inherently compelling about guys who are able to be cool while flagrantly not caring about what other people think. But apparently that's "right wing" now?
He was getting to Police Academy and I think got off track... yes, Police Academy was basically right wing. Being a curmudgeon is a defining trait of Trump fans so it is now right wing as well. Tim’s right wing character is an asshole.
Tim's thought here is very much in line with a lot of woke attitudes about art in general. The idea that art should necessarily be didactic, performing a social function of instructing people how to think and behave, that art should always have some kind of "positive moral" to it. There's an implicit assumption in it that people are too dumb to think for themselves and need to be taught what to think by their betters. This paternalistic kind of thinking is ultimately death to actual free creative expression and artistic greatness.
It's like how in the Soviet Union they actively suppressed artists who weren't sufficiently in line with the "correct" sociopolitical ideology, or even just artists perceived as politically ambiguous/apolitical.
But Tim is the typical cuckhold white guy, thats why the Jewish media loves him
Tim never said it was because of the “right wing establishment” lmao. He said that that style of comedy is emboldening right wingers. Big difference, and it’s driven solely by the fact that people enjoy watching it.
@@TheCAPSLOCKrage How the fuck does it embolden right wingers? Thats so incredibly stupid.
"MF'rs just wanna laugh" - Harris Wittels
That was surreal.
That Peter Pan point was really interesting.
It's funny that she only repeated the premise of the original novel. The Disney version most people know if pretty bastardized
Turkington esque film knowledge
I give it four bags of popcorn and an Amber Alert.@@TrueGamer22887
The Candyman is coming, think it, dream it, do it.
Howie is right, Tims universe is so funny to people who are already steeped in comedy and value it more than most things in the world. The satire isn't as accessible as like Christopher Guest movies but you invest in On Cinema it's on the same level.
Comedians talking about comedy is fascinating.
Yeah, I love how we have now thousands and thousands of hours on thousands and thousands of podcasts of comedians talking about comedy instead of just being funny. Especially the ones who aren't. Man, those insights are truly enlightening.
@@nerzenjaeger Were you trying to be funny? because you wasn't
@@sensorycircuits1338 Nah, buddy. We have too many podcasts of comedians talking about how great they are.
@@nerzenjaeger Which one is your favorite?
Comedian or podcast? @@sensorycircuits1338
Kind of a weird take considering a lot of Tim & Eric skits involved Tim being a jerk to Eric (and/or the extras) and getting away with it. In fact, Key and Peele was mostly like that too, with Key being the punching bag.
they also made fun of mentally challenged people on tim and eric a pretty good amount
Donald trump broke his brain he’s a wierdo
Yeah, he's gone down the politics drain. He's invested in it, so it's hard to see him changing but he's in the class with people who steer every thought into something connected to someone they hate. People blamed everything on bush for a while. Then Obama. Then trump. The man is a hammer who only sees red and blue nails at this point.
@@Jesse-fk3xca pretty good amount, but not nearly enough
He's a big fan of stuff like Alan Partridge and Spinal Tap. Tim's characters and universes are parodies. That's how you can use that humor while putting down real life assholes at the same time.
There's also a difference between absurd T&E stuff that is ambiguous and walks a fine line and straight up stupid right wing humor that punches down.
You're a blockhead Tim!
Why didnt tim talk about beef house?
If I had any doubts he got MDE kicked off of Adult Swim they are gone now
This explains so much about when he saw MDE and said to shut it down
I heard his whole argument with Sam Hyde. Came across like a pretentious asshole.
I mean I really don't think he has dictatorial control over Adult Swim, even if his opinions might be strongly considered.
I really enjoy most of Heidecker's output but he always comes across in interviews as rather morose, like the cliche of the comedian who is miserable off stage
Most comedians have gone through some of the worst shit imaginable, man. That's why they're able to make jokes and comedy out of anything. Because they've rationalized it and lived it. I guess it's a cliché for a reason yknow
@@Paperminte has Heidecker been through such harsh experiences?
@@DisobedientSpaceWhale Well, go listen to that whole interview of him talking about how his house was broken into and he got stabbed or some shit. I'd say he has, yeah.
@@Paperminte I think his moroseness is likely just his personality.
@@Paperminte if most comedians have gone through the "worst shit" then how come 98% of them are more enjoyable to listen to in these scenarios than Tim is?
It’s a take on the American comedic character: Will Rogers, Buggs Bunny, Eddie Murphy, etc. It can be done well or it can miss the mark.
you need to get dj dougpound a real mic
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Dumb. The movies Tim is referring to were all made by left of center guys and are anti-authoritarian in nature, though not usually explicitly political. Underdogs using their wits to get over on the more powerful.
I've gotten a headache, trying to put Police Academe as "Right Wing" .
True right wing isn't funny
It doesn't portray police as minority killing psychopaths therefore it's right wing
See that's the thing though...is Bill Murray really an underdog? In ghostbusters, he's always the smartest or coolest guy in the room and always has the best lines. Yes the script tries making the EPA big and domineering (nothing right-wing to see here at all) but the underdog status never feels remotely earned in his character. He behaves with maximum entitlement the whole way through. But anyway I know Ghostbusters is some kind of sacred holy text to aging nerds so this is me pointing this out is probably whistling dixie
100K views. 1k likes. HAHAHAHAHHA
The Peter Pan comparison made zero sense. Secondly, what does Bill Murray or Police Squad (and other old comedies) have anything to do with being "right wing"? Plenty of modern comedies and films reward a-holes constantly.
How does Heidecker associate that with right wing? Because it isn't inherently left-wing?
Yep. That's how liberals minds work. They're mentally diseased.
comedy by being a jerk involves a lot of punching down and exclusion, that fits the conservative discourse way better than the liberals'
Oh yeah, liberals NEVER punch down or exclude anyone, right? Nobody at all. Unless you're a straight white male...@@Martykun36
@@Martykun36 LOL
Why does everything have to be right or left?
People who are extremely left leaning always amaze me saying things like art emboldened certain ideology. I really think that they believe that they are above people and most of the population are just impressionable idiots.
And I'm saying being a left leaning person myself.
But it's actually true that most of the population are just impressionable idiots (in the U.S., at least).
@@MiqelDotCom smh youre exactly who people in small town USA complain about, just an out of touch, pretentious elitist.
@@MarleyBM199 lol, it has nothing to do with population density or political beliefs. Human brans are just faulty, we have crappy memory, we're prone to make errors, to believe in various type of ghosts, and susceptible to mass delusions.
@@MiqelDotCom yes all the people in this nation are sheep except for you. Excuse me for questioning you oh enlightened one, you are Neo in the Matrix my friend
@@MarleyBM199 You might want to re-read the comment if you think I'm excluding myself from the critique. You're being kind of hyperbolic.
TIL Carrot Tops' real name is Scott.
“*ssholes who are rewarded for being *ssholes.”
Sounds like projection.
Amirite? Heyyyy-oh!
literally didn't even know Howie Mandel is considered a comedian. He's just the bald goofy dressed suitcase dude
Wow, unexpected comment section. I think Tim was just making a point about the style of comedy that was common in the 80s, but people really took it personally lol
There's definitely movies in the 80s that he could have pointed out but Police Academy was the opposite of that the assholes always lost in those movies, and they were diverse
Then you havent been to a comment section before. Comedy is victim of the times so those who care about it do take it personally but so does tim and that's fine. It's being a douche about it that makes it annoying. But I actually think this is a personal thing for Tim and is one of the many reasons he took the path he did. I disagree with him but whatev.
@@ryangalinat952 no kidding. And assholes can be funny because they are blunt and tell the truth. "Its funny cause its true", yadda yadda...assholes overlap with comedy more than he thinks.
@@anthonynunyabizness9989 That's true. I haven't been to a comment section before.
Revenge of the Nerds is another one that sort of champions legitimately unethical behavior. I think it's still allowed to be funny, but it's important to acknowledge that it's objectionable behavior.
'Our ironic bad stuff we write out then play to tell jokes is TOTALLY different than their ironic bad stuff they embody personas of to tell jokes.'
Not to mention that half of T&Es comedy is using let's say "neuro atypical" actors for comedic effect. That's much more problematic than Bill Murray being snarky to rich people and government officials. I love everything he's done since Tom Goes to the Mayor but damn does Tim need to take a break from whichever echo-chamber he's been hanging out in.
lmfao people are so mad
Ha good point.
@@Matt-pc5cd he’s half playing a character in his own echo chamber within several other echo chambers at this point.
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Damn, yeah I didn't even think of that. Them using a bunch of autists for comedy fodder does not age very well through the lens of all this woke shit lol.
Damn I really hate when people try and pretend like they don’t what you’re talking about or the connection you’re trying to make the topic
I do think a lot of audiences misinterpret Bill Murray. First, he was never a jerk to minorities - only to people in power (mayors, rich stiffs, etc.), second, his "jerk" qualities were his flaws. In Ghostbusters he comes on way to strong to Dana and is super annoying initially, but when he finds her possessed he doesn't take advantage of the situation because he actually cares. He even apologizes to Jeanine the one time he makes an actually mean comment ("the bug eyes"). You can even see this in George Carlin's act - he behaves like an asshole, while saying the most un-asshole things. The problem was most Americans particularly because they were conservative could never get past the surface level of these characters. Really more of an indictment of us, than it was of them.
Another important thing to note: Almost all of Bill Murray's characters either started out poor and on the brink, or were just fired. Scrooged and Groundhog's Day being the exceptions.
Tim is reaching and drunk.
You can see when Tim talks about Right wing comedy. He’s thinking about Sam Hyde and hoping it doesn’t get brought up.
He is absolutely obsessed with Sam Hyde. It's so fucking strange.
Sam is a spectre over their lives, its hilarious