This is such sound teaching!!! I've been involved in various deliverance ministries for over a decade , and this is the best teaching I've heard on this topic.
Just wanted to comment on Dr. Ayars wonderful tactfulness in regards to the late Dr. Heiser around the 20:00 minute mark. I agree with most of his statements about Heiser, both positive and negative (I still miss Mike, and I look forward to meeting him some glad day 🥹). Even when critiquing and offering an oppositional idea, Ayars expressed so, so much gentleness and respect. Seriously, hats off to you, sir, and may God bless you in the Lord Jesus Christ.
I definitely think that took away from the conversation though, I would have just rather had Matt's thoughts without him going on a rant to distinguish himself from Heiser I felt it took precious time from the interview.
Great interview. Dr. Ayars' "both-and" approach to reading Scripture on its own terms AND reading it in light of historical theology is so refreshing. I love the idea of multiple valid "layers" to our hermeneutics. He was also very charitable when making known his differences with the late Dr. Heiser.
Interesting interview. Thank you. 😊However I must say that all I have seen, heard and read of Dr Heiser tells me that he did not see the scriptures solely in terms of spiritual warfare as this guest seems to state. Dr Heiser’s major field of study focused on the spiritual realm and in particular the role of the Divine Council but he was certainly aware of the broader themes running through Scripture and addressed these as well. I’m not sure why Dr Heiser was mentioned here, certainly not in the context of “the elephant in the room”!
Dr. Ayers so well said what I have been holding in my heart. I too am still open but this blessed me so much so have these words put to my feelings and thoughts that I could not myself articulate. Thank you!!
Appreciate where Dr. Ayars drew his Biblical lines! First, cautionary notes regarding Dr. M Heiser's work (with respect) then briefly touching on the non-canonical Book of Enoch. It's so helpful when the reasons to approach such topics with discernment are crucial. He's not leading with, "This is how I feel."
This was a fantastic episode. Very informative. I just love The Remnant Radio. It has blessed me so much. Praise God that I found your channel a couple years ago! 😊
Thank you for this episode! I was not only encouraged in my mind of faith but also in my heart. Loved the convergence of spiritual experience and the written word. I’d love to see more content in regard to missionaries and their testimonies in the field.
Really appreciated the points about praying/singing/renouncing out loud and having traditional prayers and liturgy as a refuge. I've often thought the same things.
Best explanation of spiritual warfare ever. The blood of Jesus is enough to save so if I am being tormented, I've opened a door through sin and need to confess and repent. I think it's also a lie of the enemy that makes it more complicated and gives them the appearance of more power. Thank you Dr Ayars.
Also, Ken Fish has said several times that demons need to be expelled and won't just go away on their own. Why would they? They are evil beings. Anyways, I can attest to this personally after going through a lot of inner healing over the years, I still struggled with a lot of emotional issues that didn't get solved until I went through deliverance. So I definitely disagree that it is "rare" that we actually need to expel demons. It wasn't rare for Jesus. Probably not going to be for us either.
@@allygail424 I wasn’t saying that the need to cast out demons was rare. I said that possession is rare. Demonization is very common, but not possession.
The book he mentioned is called the X-Manual by Pete Bellini. Currently reading it and it’s quite good. Should definitely look into interviewing him on the topic of deliverance
Hey, I know that guy!! I visited Matt & his family in Haiti and experienced a demonic possession situation while on a witnessing trip there. Such a powerful experience that I will never forget!
Mr Ayars criticized the “naked bible “ approach; reading scripture in its own ancient context , suggesting we read it as the church gave it to us. So I’m wondering which one? A lot of denominations with different opinions and interpretations has caused Confusions and divisions among Christians. Which church or denomination is best in his eyes? The earliest Christians believed what Heiser taught for the first 300 years till Augustine come on the scene with the beginning of selective supernatural beliefs.
It's probably past due to have a Heiser reset with the drip drip and sniping that we've been hearing from the denominationalists. Maybe Darrell Bock from DTS, one of the presenters in the Unseen Realm documentary would be outstanding.
Thank you for this. I just ordered the book by Tom White…this is such an important topic and I’m always listening for balanced Biblical teaching. We need to move forward in these experiences.
think it means that at least a few people agree that spiritual warfare is happening. So if you suspect spiritual warfare is happening, its better to check in with other christians there or even better not there.Often what we perceive as warfare is rooted in human misunderstanding. For example, i witnessed once a newbie missionary saying that the sudden rain in an asia outdoor service was a demonic attack. But then the experienced missionary replied : " its the rainy season ... sudden rain is normal and almost daily. No rain is supernatural. And rain is something the local farmers we are going to minister with will celebrate as they need it to water their crops"
I think the critique of Michael Heiser was a bit unjuste. Firstly: Michael never said that the plural of gen 1 did not include the trinity. He just opend up to the possibillity that it also could include the divine council. This was not a central part of his docrine and I'm not sure if he was correct but I'm open to it. Secondly: You get the impression that Heiser promoted a form strategic prayer against terroterial spirits wich he realy did not. He both spoke and wrote stronly against speking directly to these spiritual beings. And thirdly: The idea of demons/evil spirits as the spirits of dead nefilims comes from so much more than 1 Enoch. Of course it is an important sorce allong with the broad matterial from the second temple period that says the same. It is not a far stretch to believe that the writers of the NT took these idéas for granted since they use the these materials over and over again when they speak of the spiritual world. The wording unclean spirit comes from the idea of forbidden mixture (as a nefilim is the result of). Whenever terms like this is used in the second temple period it refers to spirits of the nefilim. If the NT didn't agree with these ideas why would they use the exact same terminology as theses books and borow so much other from them? This seems to be have been the standard idea at the time of Jeus. If he didn't agree with it, why di he use the same terminology and never spoke against it? The word rephaim (the later generations of nefilim) in OT also gives support for the idea. It speaks of dead rephaim in Sheol moving and waking at the arrival of Satan (Jer 14). In Ugarit the term rephaim was used for dead king spirits asossiated with healing and sickness. The septuagint translates the word rephaim to earthbound and physians. Provernbs warns that by following the "foreign woman" you will end up in the congregation of the rephaim. I think this is an OT warning for becoming demonized. So there is much more to the idea of demons as dead nefilim than dr Matt suggests. Heiser did not just read 1 Enoch.
He makes a distinction between justification and regeneration (30:30) as not necessarily happening at the same time. Is this a Methodist thing? Can someone explain please.
I was adopted as an infant, both families Catholic. Don't know anything about bio father. Baptized as an infant. Bio Dad took me prayed over me every night and took me to church. He died when I was 9. Then all 🔥 broke loose. Read A New Song Jan. 71 and turned my life over to the Lord. He led me to a church that had expository teaching, and I was baptized in the Verde River in AZ that spring. Haven't looked back. 👆🙌
Dr lester sumrall has a great example of what happens when you cast a principality out of area, when Jesus told him to go to a prison in the Philippians and cast some demons out of a women. That led to a big revival in the Philippians. Jesus also does take out some principalities if you read the gospels, for example the person with lots of demons. So getting rid of the ruling spirits can really free up an area to come to Jesus, but Christians also need to put the work in after something like that happens to bring people to him.
For the Pentecostal folks, Lester was truly one of G-d's generals. You can see Jesus on certain folks faces. He was one of those bright happy positive no holds barred preachers and teachers. We will hear about Sumrall if they have an old school guy like Bellini on. Bellini is the type of person who doesn't care what categories folks try to place him in. A dangerous hombre similar to Ken Fish (dangerous to the devil)
Jesus never agreed with the father's assessment that his sone was epileptic. When Jesus said he had a demon he was disagreeing with his epilepsy " diagnosis".
@@northstar2621 Healed from the demonic induced seizures, yes. There is nothing here that indicates that Jesus agreed with the fathers medical asessmant that he had epilepsy as a medical condition. Listen to the interview again. Not everybody with epilepsy has a demon. "Epilepsy" is not even mentioned in teh other two gospel accounts, and Matthew 4 specifically seperates seizures from demon possession.
Unless the father was a board certified neurologist (highly unlikely back then ;)) he didnt know what he was talking about. The word "epileptic" does not occur in the other two accounts of this story, and Matthew 4 separates demon possession from seizures. Jesus knew exactly what was wrong with the son...it was a not epilepsy but a demon. And dispite this since epileptics all over are stigmatized over ignorance. When your earthly father says one thing about you and your God says something else, you go with God's words. Jesus was trying to separate the two conditions and a lot of us never got the memo. Listen to this interview. They got it right.
I believe you are right in what you say, even job who suffered physical sores was Satan's doing, as it is written, do with him as you please but do not take his life, even the woman who was bound up with bleeding for 12 years Christ said, Satan has bound her with bleeding your faith is healed you, people do not understand the power of the spirit that manifests itself in flesh, if you are suffering somewhere Satan is there, but so many people have taken on the world view of things, so they fail to see the spiritual Powers at work the powers of Darkness, deceiving people and making them ill. Whether you believe this or not one thing remains, the power of God Can Heal all things, one's heart one's mind, remove the Demons in your life and heal your body.
Can you guys maybe also discuss how to deal with a spouse who clearly has demonic attachments,while I am also trying to get rid of my own 'garbage'?(he has addiction problems).Thanks again for this amazing conversation- it has answered so many of my questions!
So I need an answer to this complex series of questions. Do you believe that Satan or the devil is a person or personhood apart from God and apart from man? If so, from where did he/it arise? I need you to affirm it without relying on Isaiah 14, as that passage’s primary reference was to an earthly king of Babylon, although it can be argued that there is double meaning. I am curious about his because I think it may be a hindrance to people seeing their true depravity and need, because they are putting the onus to somebody other than themselves.
Reading your question backwards, it seems your concern is people using "The devil made me do it" as an excuse for unrepentant sin. In this episode, I saw Ayers strongly take the position that while spiritual warfare has an influence on our life-experience, we must confront and repent from our own sin as the first step for recovery to Christ. I believe Scripture teaches that as well, because everywhere that human sin is discussed, man is correspondingly presented as accountable to God and facing judgment. Only Christ's atoning sacrifice can provide salvation. Continuing through your question, I suggest that if you search "devil" and "Satan" in any good Bible translation and then read each result in context, you will readily find that Satan is a unique being and is responsible for adversarial action beginning from Genesis 3, and does have a fallen spiritual host within his command. Compare Revelation 12:9, which cements the link between various names and images used in Scripture.
Josh I’m a little disappointed in your statement around the 28 min mark regarding Heiser and how Remnant Radio engaged with him prior to his passing. The Divine council perspective in Gen. 1 makes a lot of sense especially when the ANE audience would have had no understanding of a Trinitarian explanation regarding the plurality language. Your statement and body language insinuated that Mike was somehow alluding to the idea that when God said “let us make man in our image and likeness..” (Gen. 1:26) that there was “some sort of Angelic participation,” in creation. You said that “was a tough pill to swallow”, but I’m not sure why? You know full well that Mike made it absolutely crystal clear not only in his books but also in his interviews with RR, that he did not believe there was any kind of Angelic participation in the creation of man (and creation in general), or in the idea to make man in God’s image and likeness. If you are going to disagree with the man at least be accurate with what he actually said. And before someone responds by reminding me of the video RR made defending Mike from those who unfairly criticized his theology after he passed, that doesn’t exonerate you from basically doing the same thing tonight. Just giving you a suggestion my brotha, no need to do that in the future. In fact, I remember Carmen Imes coming on your show a while back and you asked her if she held to the divine council worldview in Genesis and you mentioned Heiser specifically, and if you remember she said that she did hold to the divine council worldview regarding Genesis. So it’s really not that hard of a pill to swallow when you accurately explain Mikes actual position. And I’m definitely not a person that agrees with everything Mike taught, I simply didn’t care for your tone and it light weight felt like you jumped on the bandwagon when your guest made those comments about Mike.
Back in the early 70's a missionary from Haiti came to our church. He talked about how the Catholic church would incorporate pagan rituals into the church rituals. Picture of them slaughtering a chicken on the altar during Mass. SMH! 🙏✝️
I appreciated Matt’s balanced approach. And in think it’s great that he’s doing deliverance from a different tradition. But I would disagree pretty sharply on one point- that the interpretation of a text throughout church history is inherently authoritative alongside actual proper exegesis. There is a world of problems with this approach. I’ll elaborate if someone actually wants an explanation.
Dr lester sumrall has a great example of what happens when you cast a principality out of area, when Jesus told him to go to a prison in the Philippians and cast some demons out of a women. That led to a big revival in the Philippians. Jesus also does take out some principalities if you read the gospels, for example the person with lots of demons. I would also argue that when he calmed the storm, Jesus took out a ruling spirit to do that.
@@paulral who knows but it's wrong. "But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."
Remnant Radio has so lost me. I long ago had deep reservations about their wishy-washy unwillingness to call out clear heresy. But after their full throated endorsement of Isaiah Saldivar, literally stating his doctrine is true and Biblical, that sealed the deal. Do they not listen to some of the things he’s taught? Or take into account his extremely damaging “Christians need demon deliverance” stuff? How could they endorse this? I just don’t get it.
Christians do need deliverance. Deliverance was so highly valued by the early church it was recommended for a baptism candidate to get deliverance before undergoing baptism. This disbelief in deliverance only started with the enlightenment and growth of Materialism.
I was offering the Lord a sacrifice of thanks and praise to set the tone for the day and all of a sudden this sick nauseous feeling came over me with an inner voice saying “Your personality makes God sick.” I immediately knew this was an attack of the enemy. Overplayed his hand. Made me realize I was headed in the right direction. So I didn’t receive those demonic thoughts and feelings. So yes, us Christians need to be delivered and we need to resist these evil ones.
Because Christians do need deliverance. Maybe listen to the video and it’ll actually bring this perspective into light. Feels like you kinda came here to make a comment then leave but you didn’t actually engage with the topic of the video. Which does a great job of explaining spiritual warfare.
Dr. Matt Ayars was very informative he has a good Demeanor
I’m 55- saved almost 40 years. This is the best conversation I’ve ever heard on spiritual warfare.
@@melaniem4070 It was excellent! Also 55 saved 40+ years.
This is such sound teaching!!! I've been involved in various deliverance ministries for over a decade , and this is the best teaching I've heard on this topic.
Just wanted to comment on Dr. Ayars wonderful tactfulness in regards to the late Dr. Heiser around the 20:00 minute mark. I agree with most of his statements about Heiser, both positive and negative (I still miss Mike, and I look forward to meeting him some glad day 🥹). Even when critiquing and offering an oppositional idea, Ayars expressed so, so much gentleness and respect. Seriously, hats off to you, sir, and may God bless you in the Lord Jesus Christ.
I definitely think that took away from the conversation though, I would have just rather had Matt's thoughts without him going on a rant to distinguish himself from Heiser I felt it took precious time from the interview.
Thank you! ❤
Great interview. Dr. Ayars' "both-and" approach to reading Scripture on its own terms AND reading it in light of historical theology is so refreshing. I love the idea of multiple valid "layers" to our hermeneutics. He was also very charitable when making known his differences with the late Dr. Heiser.
@@matthewmcguire8263 thank you!
Love the rat and germ analogies! ❤
One of my favorite episodes so far. Matt did such a good job simplifying things and was very gracious in his answers.
Interesting interview. Thank you. 😊However I must say that all I have seen, heard and read of Dr Heiser tells me that he did not see the scriptures solely in terms of spiritual warfare as this guest seems to state. Dr Heiser’s major field of study focused on the spiritual realm and in particular the role of the Divine Council but he was certainly aware of the broader themes running through Scripture and addressed these as well. I’m not sure why Dr Heiser was mentioned here, certainly not in the context of “the elephant in the room”!
This is officially my favorite episode of the year. I'm going to listen to it again. Thanks Dr Ayars and Joshua!
Dr. Ayers so well said what I have been holding in my heart. I too am still open but this blessed me so much so have these words put to my feelings and thoughts that I could not myself articulate. Thank you!!
Appreciate where Dr. Ayars drew his Biblical lines! First, cautionary notes regarding Dr. M Heiser's work (with respect) then briefly touching on the non-canonical Book of Enoch. It's so helpful when the reasons to approach such topics with discernment are crucial. He's not leading with, "This is how I feel."
This was a fantastic episode. Very informative. I just love The Remnant Radio. It has blessed me so much. Praise God that I found your channel a couple years ago! 😊
Thank you for this episode! I was not only encouraged in my mind of faith but also in my heart. Loved the convergence of spiritual experience and the written word. I’d love to see more content in regard to missionaries and their testimonies in the field.
Really appreciated the points about praying/singing/renouncing out loud and having traditional prayers and liturgy as a refuge. I've often thought the same things.
I truly wish Michael Miller was a part of this interview.
what a relief!! such an insightful commentary on the balance between demonic influence, the flesh and sin. thank you!
Great program.
Blessings from New Hampshire in the highest named Jesus Christ ✝️
Best explanation of spiritual warfare ever. The blood of Jesus is enough to save so if I am being tormented, I've opened a door through sin and need to confess and repent. I think it's also a lie of the enemy that makes it more complicated and gives them the appearance of more power. Thank you Dr Ayars.
Excellent discussion, blessings to you both.
56:24 “…you’re cooked!” 😂
Great discussion, but that moment was hilarious
Excellent episode with some good biblical signposts to sharpen ourselves and help others.
Also, Ken Fish has said several times that demons need to be expelled and won't just go away on their own. Why would they? They are evil beings. Anyways, I can attest to this personally after going through a lot of inner healing over the years, I still struggled with a lot of emotional issues that didn't get solved until I went through deliverance. So I definitely disagree that it is "rare" that we actually need to expel demons. It wasn't rare for Jesus. Probably not going to be for us either.
@@allygail424 I wasn’t saying that the need to cast out demons was rare. I said that possession is rare. Demonization is very common, but not possession.
One of Job's friends talked about getting a frightful visitation in the night hours.
So balanced! 👆
The book he mentioned is called the X-Manual by Pete Bellini. Currently reading it and it’s quite good. Should definitely look into interviewing him on the topic of deliverance
Agreed regarding using caution with the book of Enoch.
Very good discussion on the topic of spiritual warfare.
Hey, I know that guy!! I visited Matt & his family in Haiti and experienced a demonic possession situation while on a witnessing trip there. Such a powerful experience that I will never forget!
Did someone note all the book mentionned? It would be really helpful
Against the Darkness by Graham Cole
The Believer’s Guide to Spiritual Warfare by Tom White
The X-Manual by Peter Bellini
Mr Ayars criticized the “naked bible “ approach; reading scripture in its own ancient context , suggesting we read it as the church gave it to us. So I’m wondering which one? A lot of denominations with different opinions and interpretations has caused Confusions and divisions among Christians. Which church or denomination is best in his eyes? The earliest Christians believed what Heiser taught for the first 300 years till Augustine come on the scene with the beginning of selective supernatural beliefs.
It's probably past due to have a Heiser reset with the drip drip and sniping that we've been hearing from the denominationalists. Maybe Darrell Bock from DTS, one of the presenters in the Unseen Realm documentary would be outstanding.
Great chat! Thanks guys!
Tracking with you guys on this!!!! I really struggle with Heisers views on stuff and much of it I loved.
Thank you for this. I just ordered the book by Tom White…this is such an important topic and I’m always listening for balanced Biblical teaching. We need to move forward in these experiences.
The rat trash analogy so powerful. I learned that from Charles Krafts books
I would love to have a podcast with more details on how a person goes about verifying demonic warfare. You mentioned witnesses; what does that mean?
think it means that at least a few people agree that spiritual warfare is happening.
So if you suspect spiritual warfare is happening, its better to check in with other christians there or even better not there.Often what we perceive as warfare is rooted in human misunderstanding.
For example, i witnessed once a newbie missionary saying that the sudden rain in an asia outdoor service was a demonic attack. But then the experienced missionary replied : " its the rainy season ... sudden rain is normal and almost daily. No rain is supernatural. And rain is something the local farmers we are going to minister with will celebrate as they need it to water their crops"
I think the critique of Michael Heiser was a bit unjuste.
Firstly: Michael never said that the plural of gen 1 did not include the trinity. He just opend up to the possibillity that it also could include the divine council. This was not a central part of his docrine and I'm not sure if he was correct but I'm open to it.
Secondly: You get the impression that Heiser promoted a form strategic prayer against terroterial spirits wich he realy did not. He both spoke and wrote stronly against speking directly to these spiritual beings.
And thirdly: The idea of demons/evil spirits as the spirits of dead nefilims comes from so much more than 1 Enoch. Of course it is an important sorce allong with the broad matterial from the second temple period that says the same. It is not a far stretch to believe that the writers of the NT took these idéas for granted since they use the these materials over and over again when they speak of the spiritual world. The wording unclean spirit comes from the idea of forbidden mixture (as a nefilim is the result of). Whenever terms like this is used in the second temple period it refers to spirits of the nefilim. If the NT didn't agree with these ideas why would they use the exact same terminology as theses books and borow so much other from them? This seems to be have been the standard idea at the time of Jeus. If he didn't agree with it, why di he use the same terminology and never spoke against it?
The word rephaim (the later generations of nefilim) in OT also gives support for the idea. It speaks of dead rephaim in Sheol moving and waking at the arrival of Satan (Jer 14). In Ugarit the term rephaim was used for dead king spirits asossiated with healing and sickness.
The septuagint translates the word rephaim to earthbound and physians.
Provernbs warns that by following the "foreign woman" you will end up in the congregation of the rephaim. I think this is an OT warning for becoming demonized.
So there is much more to the idea of demons as dead nefilim than dr Matt suggests. Heiser did not just read 1 Enoch.
So which deliverance books should be avoided?
Good question
Really loved this interview
ok and justified and regenerated!! Why does no one talk about this????????
He makes a distinction between justification and regeneration (30:30) as not necessarily happening at the same time. Is this a Methodist thing? Can someone explain please.
It seems like it. I'd take a lot of what was said with a grain of salt.
🎉🎉 New Year s here everyone
I think you meant to say, "today we are talking about Dayvels!!!"
I was adopted as an infant, both families Catholic. Don't know anything about bio father. Baptized as an infant. Bio Dad took me prayed over me every night and took me to church. He died when I was 9. Then all 🔥 broke loose. Read A New Song Jan. 71 and turned my life over to the Lord. He led me to a church that had expository teaching, and I was baptized in the Verde River in AZ that spring. Haven't looked back. 👆🙌
Dr lester sumrall has a great example of what happens when you cast a principality out of area, when Jesus told him to go to a prison in the Philippians and cast some demons out of a women. That led to a big revival in the Philippians.
Jesus also does take out some principalities if you read the gospels, for example the person with lots of demons.
So getting rid of the ruling spirits can really free up an area to come to Jesus, but Christians also need to put the work in after something like that happens to bring people to him.
For the Pentecostal folks, Lester was truly one of G-d's generals. You can see Jesus on certain folks faces. He was one of those bright happy positive no holds barred preachers and teachers. We will hear about Sumrall if they have an old school guy like Bellini on. Bellini is the type of person who doesn't care what categories folks try to place him in. A dangerous hombre similar to Ken Fish (dangerous to the devil)
Hey from KC! I had to read one of his books for Asbury! Hahah
Jesus never agreed with the father's assessment that his sone was epileptic. When Jesus said he had a demon he was disagreeing with his epilepsy " diagnosis".
Not really, he drove the demon out first AND healed the son next.
@@northstar2621 Healed from the demonic induced seizures, yes. There is nothing here that indicates that Jesus agreed with the fathers medical asessmant that he had epilepsy as a medical condition. Listen to the interview again. Not everybody with epilepsy has a demon. "Epilepsy" is not even mentioned in teh other two gospel accounts, and Matthew 4 specifically seperates seizures from demon possession.
Just like schizophrenia epilepsy I think has two forms. Demonic and health related.
Unless the father was a board certified neurologist (highly unlikely back then ;)) he didnt know what he was talking about. The word "epileptic" does not occur in the other two accounts of this story, and Matthew 4 separates demon possession from seizures. Jesus knew exactly what was wrong with the son...it was a not epilepsy but a demon. And dispite this since epileptics all over are stigmatized over ignorance. When your earthly father says one thing about you and your God says something else, you go with God's words. Jesus was trying to separate the two conditions and a lot of us never got the memo. Listen to this interview. They got it right.
I believe you are right in what you say, even job who suffered physical sores was Satan's doing, as it is written, do with him as you please but do not take his life, even the woman who was bound up with bleeding for 12 years Christ said, Satan has bound her with bleeding your faith is healed you, people do not understand the power of the spirit that manifests itself in flesh, if you are suffering somewhere Satan is there, but so many people have taken on the world view of things, so they fail to see the spiritual Powers at work the powers of Darkness, deceiving people and making them ill. Whether you believe this or not one thing remains, the power of God Can Heal all things, one's heart one's mind, remove the Demons in your life and heal your body.
Can you guys maybe also discuss how to deal with a spouse who clearly has demonic attachments,while I am also trying to get rid of my own 'garbage'?(he has addiction problems).Thanks again for this amazing conversation- it has answered so many of my questions!
So I need an answer to this complex series of questions.
Do you believe that Satan or the devil is a person or personhood apart from God and apart from man? If so, from where did he/it arise? I need you to affirm it without relying on Isaiah 14, as that passage’s primary reference was to an earthly king of Babylon, although it can be argued that there is double meaning.
I am curious about his because I think it may be a hindrance to people seeing their true depravity and need, because they are putting the onus to somebody other than themselves.
Reading your question backwards, it seems your concern is people using "The devil made me do it" as an excuse for unrepentant sin. In this episode, I saw Ayers strongly take the position that while spiritual warfare has an influence on our life-experience, we must confront and repent from our own sin as the first step for recovery to Christ. I believe Scripture teaches that as well, because everywhere that human sin is discussed, man is correspondingly presented as accountable to God and facing judgment. Only Christ's atoning sacrifice can provide salvation. Continuing through your question, I suggest that if you search "devil" and "Satan" in any good Bible translation and then read each result in context, you will readily find that Satan is a unique being and is responsible for adversarial action beginning from Genesis 3, and does have a fallen spiritual host within his command. Compare Revelation 12:9, which cements the link between various names and images used in Scripture.
Josh I’m a little disappointed in your statement around the 28 min mark regarding Heiser and how Remnant Radio engaged with him prior to his passing. The Divine council perspective in Gen. 1 makes a lot of sense especially when the ANE audience would have had no understanding of a Trinitarian explanation regarding the plurality language. Your statement and body language insinuated that Mike was somehow alluding to the idea that when God said “let us make man in our image and likeness..” (Gen. 1:26) that there was “some sort of Angelic participation,” in creation. You said that “was a tough pill to swallow”, but I’m not sure why? You know full well that Mike made it absolutely crystal clear not only in his books but also in his interviews with RR, that he did not believe there was any kind of Angelic participation in the creation of man (and creation in general), or in the idea to make man in God’s image and likeness.
If you are going to disagree with the man at least be accurate with what he actually said. And before someone responds by reminding me of the video RR made defending Mike from those who unfairly criticized his theology after he passed, that doesn’t exonerate you from basically doing the same thing tonight. Just giving you a suggestion my brotha, no need to do that in the future. In fact, I remember Carmen Imes coming on your show a while back and you asked her if she held to the divine council worldview in Genesis and you mentioned Heiser specifically, and if you remember she said that she did hold to the divine council worldview regarding Genesis. So it’s really not that hard of a pill to swallow when you accurately explain Mikes actual position.
And I’m definitely not a person that agrees with everything Mike taught, I simply didn’t care for your tone and it light weight felt like you jumped on the bandwagon when your guest made those comments about Mike.
+1
Back in the early 70's a missionary from Haiti came to our church. He talked about how the Catholic church would incorporate pagan rituals into the church rituals. Picture of them slaughtering a chicken on the altar during Mass. SMH! 🙏✝️
Slaughtering chickens is not part of the Catholic Mass. just saying.
Based off the post about this video, I thought he’d share more his experiences in Haiti 👎🏻 Great interview nonetheless!
I appreciated Matt’s balanced approach. And in think it’s great that he’s doing deliverance from a different tradition. But I would disagree pretty sharply on one point- that the interpretation of a text throughout church history is inherently authoritative alongside actual proper exegesis. There is a world of problems with this approach. I’ll elaborate if someone actually wants an explanation.
Amen
Dr lester sumrall has a great example of what happens when you cast a principality out of area, when Jesus told him to go to a prison in the Philippians and cast some demons out of a women. That led to a big revival in the Philippians.
Jesus also does take out some principalities if you read the gospels, for example the person with lots of demons. I would also argue that when he calmed the storm, Jesus took out a ruling spirit to do that.
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This guy is great!
If youre justified then the Spirit lives in you. You shouldnt try to split such elements, as the NT doesnt.
Thanks sir. I caught that as well but couldn't find the timestamp to reference. Maybe this is a Methodist thing? Edit: here? 30:25
@@paulral who knows but it's wrong. "But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."
You must be born of water and Spirit.
@@MattAyars and justification is part and parcel of that.
@@MattAyarswater is in reference to physical birth in context. So is the only second birth that we can look to scripturally
Remnant Radio has so lost me. I long ago had deep reservations about their wishy-washy unwillingness to call out clear heresy. But after their full throated endorsement of Isaiah Saldivar, literally stating his doctrine is true and Biblical, that sealed the deal. Do they not listen to some of the things he’s taught? Or take into account his extremely damaging “Christians need demon deliverance” stuff? How could they endorse this? I just don’t get it.
Christians do need deliverance. Deliverance was so highly valued by the early church it was recommended for a baptism candidate to get deliverance before undergoing baptism. This disbelief in deliverance only started with the enlightenment and growth of Materialism.
I was offering the Lord a sacrifice of thanks and praise to set the tone for the day and all of a sudden this sick nauseous feeling came over me with an inner voice saying “Your personality makes God sick.” I immediately knew this was an attack of the enemy. Overplayed his hand. Made me realize I was headed in the right direction. So I didn’t receive those demonic thoughts and feelings. So yes, us Christians need to be delivered and we need to resist these evil ones.
Because Christians do need deliverance. Maybe listen to the video and it’ll actually bring this perspective into light. Feels like you kinda came here to make a comment then leave but you didn’t actually engage with the topic of the video. Which does a great job of explaining spiritual warfare.
Quit talking about theology and get to the stories from Haiti!
Yes, I was expecting more about his experience in Haiti based on the post before the video. Disappointed 🫤
Culture vultures.