Most ANNOYING Ford in the World? (ABS/RSC Warning - Part 2)
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- Опубліковано 6 січ 2024
- This CAN communication diagnosis was supposed to be straight-forward, but the ANNOYING Mercury Mountaineer keeps moving the goal posts!
Let's not lose our patience, and continue to FOLLOW THE DATA.
Will the extremely obnoxious dinger be FIXED once we repair the ABS CAN circuit?
Also, the junkyard ABS module was NOT PROGRAMMED correctly by the previous shop, so we have to use Ford "As-Built" data with the Launch scanner to input the correct calibration numbers.
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Ivan - Авто та транспорт
Ivan, thanks for the great video! Without your help on this one, I'd still, most likely, be chasing my tail on this issue! 😅 I'm very happy to report that the Mountaineer is still running like a champ - no more "dee doo's" ever since I replaced the entire ABS unit. I put the ABS unit to the test a few times now; when it was raining I tested the braking and now with the snow that we just had, I put the spin test on it and its working perfectly. I also repaired that "badly repaired" hot wire that was under the battery tray and cleaned up the harness with some good wire loom conduit. Since it's running fine now, I think I'll keep as it reminds me of my mother, when I drive it and I'm sure she's happy that we solved the problem. How on earth she dealt with that alarm all those years, is beyond me. But, she was a mother with lots of patience.
To all of you other shade tree mechanics out there, be persistent with problems that you find. I don't know of one vehicle manufacturer out there that doesn't have problems. Yes, I grew up with Fords all around me, but I'm not biased towards them. I still have a 2000 Ford Ranger that hasn't given me any problems except for the standard routine maintenance (and rust issues. But at 24 years old and living in the rust belt, I'm not complaining.) I've had Datsun's (yes, I'm in my early 60's) and I also have a 2011 Subaru Legacy with 232,000 miles and runs like a champ - and I'll most likely drive that car into the ground because it has been so good to me. The only problem that the Legacy gave me, was a bad solenoid in the CVT valve body - but, with some research, I fixed it myself. I've also had (2) Mercury Cougars XR7's in the past that were great cars.
The way I see it, is that if you take care of them, they'll take care of you. And when problems do arise, and you're struggling to get the problem resolved, there's always Ivan to help you out.
Many thanks again, Ivan! If I ever come across something else that I can't diagnose on my own, I know where you live. 😜
Thank you for the feedback Kevin! That was a fun case study for sure 😁👍
Ivan is the man. I've learned so much from this channel. Would love to get my hands on that scan tool!
"I've had Datsuns" Well you get some cool points for that one. Much respect to people who try to fix their own cars, it's so worth it not just for money savings but also the satisfaction of figuring things out. Cars problems these days are not always easy to fix but with logic, persistence and a good scantool it's possible.
@@thomasbrandon8029 Couldn't agree with you more. 👍
Glad you got it taken care of!
That was cool! I don't see owners participate materially in their cars' diagnosis and repair very often, which is arguably a good thing. Kevin was a pretty sharp dude though, so he didn't appear to hinder anything.
Thanks for the compliment. It was great watching Ivan do his thing. 👍
Most places won't let you in their shop for insurance reasons.
There are a few times I wished I could go in to clue a mechanic in.
In this instance, I'd say this owner and Ivan are on the same wavelength, and they got a good result.
@@kfessler1 You're welcome!
Sometimes I don't think you realize just how done and desperate many of these customers are. Your gift of diagnosing this stuff is hard to come by, we all fear the day that we need to fix stuff like this. Another great save and diagnosis!
I had a sneaky feeling the used HCU might have a locked up motor. If they don't get used (even the self test which just blips the motor automatically) in that environment they seem to lock up. Good info on the Ford reprogramming site! I'll have to remember that!
Great ending to an annoying problem, Ivan! And the smile on customer's face, after he completed reprogramming the module, was priceless :-)
Thanks! You can't believe how happy I was when we were at that point.
@@kfessler1 I could imagine 🙂
the look on the customer's face after you found the problem was pure happiness. great job ivan!
And then frustration when the dinger came back... Twice 😆
Yeah, but we got down to the nitty gritty of it. Had to solve that issue before the main culprit reared its ugly head . I'm still baffled on why bad ABS pump code didn't materialize until after the bad wire connection issue was solved. But, I'm not losing any sleep over it since all is well until this day.@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@@kfessler1ABS module couldn't run the pump self test until it was properly programmed looks like 😉
Hope you-all see that sticking a too-large pin into a connector spreads that socket causing LOOSE connections. Gotta be careful about this!
Sometimes it is just the unplugging & plugging it in a heap of times causes it .Iam sure Ivan has mentioned it before new age wiring being so thin they make the connectors tiny & you need to be very careful with them.
@@LesReeves particularly if pin are skewed to sockets when insertion occurs.
That was a fun one. Having the owner be part of the solution (instead of the problem) is wonderful.
I thoroughly enjoyed watching Ivan. It definitely was a pleasure to see him do his thing. 👍
Tie a piece of string on the back of the connector getting damp. Trail the string down to floor mat, should provide a pathway for any moisture to continue its journey beyond the connector pins.
Cool video! Especially the module configuration without the original one available.
The expression is an alteration of an older saying that makes the meaning a bit clearer: the proof of the pudding is in the eating. In other words, things must be judged by trying them yourself or seeing them in action, rather than on other factors, such as hearsay.
Ivan, if the customer has a sun roof, that water is not draining out properly down the window pillar. Have him open the sunroof and use compressed air down the drain hole.
You also may have to run a piece of 14 awg solid wire down that drain hole to clear it out.
This is common on all older escapes and especially if the Car sits under a tree!
Great video as always!
It does have a sunroof, and I did check the drains - all are good. How the "crusties" materialized in that connector, is beyond me. But, I'm definitely keeping an eye on it.
Ivan!!!! Congratulations on hitting 200K Subscribers! Always enjoy watching you work your magic!
"Ding dong, the wicked alarm is dead"! ha ha ha! Ivan, the Wizard of Penn. 😆
Ivan, it’s great that you got the owner through to where he was able to replace the ABS module and finish the job!
That has to be a happy customer not having to hear that dinging anymore.
I"m EXTREMELY happy. 😀
I wonder what the Oz shop thinks about The wicked alarm is dead~Great Going Ivan and customer 🥂😎
It’s time to celebrate! 200k subs! That’s a pretty big little army behind you, congratulations!
comrades lol great channel to view..
I had that problem on the 'ol Marquis years ago. That ABS pump was about $400.00 and I replaced it myself. The ABS light would come on when the car went about 12 mph and would flash. It also works with the traction assist and in the owner's manual it says the hydraulic pump can overheat if you continually spin the rear tires. It has a thermal switch that is supposed to shut it down if it gets too hot. Great repair, Ivan! GREAT VIDEO!
Fords and water intrusion are like peanut butter and jelly. Just did a similar repair on the BCM of a 2015 F150, horn issues as well as headlamp resistance codes. Maybe in another 120 years they sort it out. lol
Nice work!
Hi Jimmy. It's good to see you here.
you would think at least one engineer would have told them. Electric truck!! Are you nuts. First we have to make a car that stays dry.
cool that you would work with the owner and his scanner most people would not
God Bless You
Wow, I guess I got off easy with the module repair on my 09 F150. I sent it off to Van Nuys, CA and it came back fixed, no programming to the vehicle was necessary. I just tested it in the SW Idaho snow and all is working as it should be.
Moral of the story
Never fire the parts cannon with a junkyard abs moduel use OEM
fix it right the first time great video
🎓💰PHAD WINS AGAIN 👍
I can't believe you made him drive home with the ding still LOL
Unmatch the module back to zeros, and let him drive home in piece.
I believe you have earned a PHD in auto diagnostic field. DR. Ivan well done!
Haha considering that I never finished my PhD program, I'll take that! 😁👍
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
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HI IVAN ,great video.This was the needle in a haystack job.LOOSE PINS>OK that's a hard issue to "PIN" down.haha Teaching a customer how to do the right steps to diagnose his problem is gold.
Proving once again that you want to involve the customers in the repairs themselves so they understand the issues and why they pay you good money.In this case i think the issue was pin fitment all along>and firing the parts canon would not have solved it.the factory ABS modual may have still worked but the last owner was unaware of the REPROGRAM ISSUE.Launch for the win.
I had a 1993 Volvo 940 that was flooding so bad in cold weather. I pulled the temp sensor and it tested perfectly. I put it back in still had the problem. By chance I turned over the connector and oh the green slime I saw. PB Blaster contact cleaner and away it went.
Poor Kevin's gonna be hearing that awful dinger in his nightmares for the rest of his life 😆
Uh oh? No uh oh's allowed. lol. But man. What an interesting case this was chasing the rabbit. Great tip on reprograming the ABS module though. I've never done that without having the original unit handy.
Love how u dealt with the cascading failures. I find that very hard to explain to customers sometimes.. "we fixed the initial problem which allowed another problem to present" is understandably confusing
You are right about the website being hard to find. I had to do a gem module on a ford van and find that same site. Took awhile but it does exist.
DeoxIT CAIG D5 in the UK!! £25 a Can. anybody on here from the UK can tell me where to get a better price for it. Kind regards David
Another great job. I’m gonna go out on a limb and guess that when He didn’t make it all the way out of the driveway, someone said “Ahhhh what the heck” , or something to that effect! Nice work Ivan. 👍👍🇺🇸
What I really said was, "you got to be Fn' kidding me!"🤣
@@kfessler1 👍👍🇺🇸
When a problem drives you crazy, Ivan is your man to solve it!
Good morning brother
Morning!
Always a learning lesson thank you...
Dang it,i have same 919xbt , didn't know it can program some modules
Great systematic diag on a wiring issue. Your customers re lucky to have you. Hope they know that.
Great job not getting distracted by the green crusties! Congrats on reaching 200K subscribers!🎉
Now if he can get less OEM faulty parts.
Good work and good business brings good customers…. Good job..
Nicely done as always.
What a boondoggle moneymaker for dealers. Can't just buy replacement modules as plug and play.
This is the first I heard the pump motor dies from sitting there. Any idea how long to ensure the safety of it staying dead. If had the wheel sensors cut for 6 years now. Can I hook them up so the ABS and traction idiot lights shuts up?
Great work as always, Your videos are easy to learn from. Do you know the cost to update the Crp919x bt scanner after the 2 years free update ?
How fun was that ? I worked at a Cadillac dealership years ago, the early ABS systems did not have the ability to check for DTC's so it was all step by step diagnostics, there is one I'll probably never forget, it's a long story so I'll just summarize it, a pinhole leak in a heater hose would spray on the hood, drip down on the pressure switch causing the the not to run when needed of course this was very intermittent because the heater hose would spray more under engine torque, anyway it was an interesting lesson.
IVAN,
THANKS FOR FOLLOWING UP WITH BASICS FACTS OF POWER AND GROUNDS AND PROPER RESISTANCE OF NET WORK SYSTEM ALONG WITH MANUFACTURER INSTRUCTIONS.
Another great video Ivan, and thanks for putting up with the most annoying dinger.
Textbook troubleshooting! After the connection repair and the alarm returned - and then the s/n mismatch fault code, I was relieved. Then on the drive down the lane...... So disappointing! Such complication!
My ford had the same issue on the terminals that were too loose.
It was like someone stuck a fat probe in them that resulted in the intermittent ABS problems.
I too had to remove the pins one by one and do the same thing to make them tight again.
I was curious to see if he would have the same issue as I did as well as the same fix.
Its nice that you pass on the knowledge to the willing owners.
Another great one, Ivan. Best to you and Mrs. Ivan for the new year. 🎉
The pump motor did not turn on activating. My problem was a seized carbon brush in the pump motor.
The ending reminded me of a R172 SLK350 I experienced with a bad abs module. The customer lived on a gravel road and when ESP cut in the motor relay inside the module got stuck closed and the abs pump ran continuously until you pulled the connector or the battery, it was sitting in the carpark whirring away after the tow truck dropped it off. To me it seemed a strange mode of failure for the ABS pump, and I was a bit surprised it had a terminal 30 connection tied to pump operation
Some of therse ABS modules had an issue with dry jointing on the main power supply inside the module, it's a fairly easy fix, once the electronic part is removed drill a 10mm hole above the main power cables and re touch them with a soldering iron. Fill hole in the plastic cover with blind 10mm grommet
Hi Ivan
I thoroughly enjoy all your episodes, and am learning a lot! A question, would you recommend any books or online courses for someone that has a strong background in electronics, and understands the mechanics of a car, but it lost among all the electronic controls units, different CAN busses, CAN gateways, all kinds of different data standards etc. ?
Greetings from Spain.
Saw a tip to fix floppy socket/hex u-joints , just heat shrink them, it leaves them flexible not floppy
Intermittents always do the wiggle test! Another happy customer! 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👏👏👏
This video reminds me of a sign we used to have hanging in our shop:
Labor rate $100 hour
If you watch $150
If you HELP $300
Great job as usual Ivan 👍👍
I am very glad for the owner.
I'm glad the Owner got uit fixed I want to see more videos like this if he has anymore car issues like this one I want to see one where he can work with you again ivan I love this stuff keep them fords rolling Built ford tough and Service Smart. Ivan you always do a great job puts a smile on my face seeing this. good work Ivan. Ivan I have a story for you here we just had our honda Ridgeline 2017 serviced for a issue like harsh shifting and sometimes jerky driving no transmission issues just a faulty Engine computer software they updated the software and runs great have you heard of the engine Computer software causing this issue smooth as butter after they updated the engine Computer as well and better yet it was a recall for this issue too. saved us a lot of money. your thoughts on software corruption like this
Also, with age the connectors could wear and not hold things as tight, causing the problem and the movement with vibration.
Great job Ivan question why the thinktool cant programer ??
Amazed to see that the Launch tool also has the exact same as-built programming Order of Operations glitch that the recent versions of Ford FJDS have had! It still works fine, it'll just spook you if you've done a lot of as-built programmings.
What was the glitch? 🤔
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics It asked you to install the new module after you had entered the as-built data. It should only ask for that if you told it the old module was still installed, and it would prompt for it prior to entering as-built data.
This glitch exists in FJDS as well, at least as of a few months ago (last time I used it), and if you're pulling data off an old module, it will really screw you up. It can be overcome with some trial and error (and bad words), though!
It really highlights that companies like Autel and ThinkTool are pulling the code direct from the OEM software. Whether it's licensed or not, I do not know.
So the original issue was just weak terminals at the plug for the module?
That's what the data showed!
Good job!
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Dear viewers, I was interested in the paper on the wall - home occupation permit. Please explain why this document is pinned on the wall?
I found the answer to the question on my own.
You do great work Ivan.
Wow. Nice that Ford supplies as built information. Nice work.
The least they can do for the crap they sell
I saw that connector down there and said o-sh*t, he will never be able to get at the wires.
I love it when a plan comes together.
Ivan on your keyboard hold the Control key then press f you can type the code if its on that page it will highlight it for you so you do not have to scroll down as much
Bee Doo Bee Doo Bee Doo Bee Doo
What an annoying dinger! 😵💫
The pump motor hadn't run in a long time, I'm surprised you didn't smack it with a hammer a few times lightly while trying to bidirectionally control it. I've had really good luck doing that on my own junk lol that would have been the proper "Russian repair"
Proper Russian repair would be to disable ABS and all annoying dingers 😆
Ivan, I have a 2006 F150 and changed my abs module 2 years ago and get the vin number mismatch BUT do not get that dinging problem, it must have been his pump motor all along and he attempted a parts cannon abs module in attempt to fix it.
Pump motor code set only after proper programming 😅
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics my pump was constantly triggering till I replaced my abs module, after that, no problem even though I did not program the VIN number, I guess a different fault. I am just being lazy since I have Forscan 😀
Would the Launch X431 scanner be the best scanner to use with 2016 KIA vehicles?
Great job mate! 😃👍!
You know, the first time it didn't even pass the taillight warranty!
LoL 🤣😆
Although most of my trouble shooting is mostly on the industrial side with over half a century of training and experience the same rules and laws apply. All data points must have a weight or relevance that ought to be explained, hearsay or word of mouth must be given the least relevance and so on. Unfortunately, most of us with experience don’t do a good job in explaining this to those with less experience because we do this unconsciously. All trouble shooting should start with a symptom function analysis, lamp doesn’t work check to see if it is plugged in, back when we had mechanical ignition points, car starts when cranking but stops when you let go of the key is most likely the ballast resister. Modern cars are much more complicated, diagnostics are required in the use of a scan tool or other testing, or a scope using signature analysis that are given a weight or relevance that ought to be explained. If the weight or relevance is not one hundred percent, we start replacing parts unnecessarily….
I think after the first minute I would have done a dinger-ectomy on it.
What causes the green crustys at the dash connector
My fix was tape on the dash ha ha the part needed was 2K the first replacement pump lasted three months (Ford dealership probably never changed it)
Brilliant information we'll done
I always give them a 20 -20 guarantee, 20 feet or 20 second , which ever comes first .
What do all those codes programmed into the ABS do?
Happy new year from Ireland Ivan always look forward to your videos.
Just a thought
I am a diy man and purchased a Kingbolen k10
Their are many things I do not understand how to use
Can you do a basic function video?
How do you use search
Thanks
Just keep pressing buttons and take notes, best way to learn 😊
Ivan thanks for saving the ford from the Ding dong shit... . I have learned along from your diagnosis!👏🏻
Nice work Ivan!!!!
Just noticed you've hit 200k. Congratulations.
Thank you!
Thanks Ivan!
Love the background. Need to update to 2024 😊
great job as always sir
Wow,, most excellent!
wellll.....U shoulda set up the vehicle's sound system to AUTOMATICALLY play "The Sounds of Silence" song for 15 seconds, upon every start!! OMGGG! great video, again, a lot of Work, and, of course, without super skills of sleuthing and electronics, the regular public stands -0- chance. Corrosion is insidious....great video....lots of twists and turns.....
Brilliant diagnostic.
Would have been “ no parts required” had he come to you first 😂😂
No doubt 👍
If would have know about Ivan when my parents owned the car, I would have told them to take it to him. But, they would have come to me to install the ABS unit after the diagnosis! 😅I wish I know what mechanic they were using, because I would drive it to him and show him that it was fixed. 🤣
Forscan would be cheaper to program as built data on Fords, the software is free to download and you get 3 month trial for free all you need is the elm327 or equivalent
It's a shame when the parts cannon is firing blanks!
Nice work Ivan! Electronic systems can be alarmingly difficult to most. That can ding you when a customer gets the "one more issue" return to shop light. At least the computer set the code right away. Was it because of the gravel road or does it check the pump each time the break is pressed?
After every startup the abs system checks the pump motor once the vehicle hits something like 5-10 mph. So that's why it went off down the driveway, he finally hit the test speed.
In some vehicles you can hear the pump run when you hit the magic speed.
Nice diag as always Ivan
if it was mine.....I would disconnect the damn dinger...LOL
Why does it make that danger dinger like it does when the door is open your lights are on or you're low on oil pressure or overheating normally for ABS problems it just goes bing not bing bing
6:00 “tail light warranty” LOL
U. Amaze. Me. Every time. Thanks