carlson gets way to much credit beeing a genius and was right by accident. he learned some concepts but dont understand their application and has zero experience. but ofc everyone and their dog praises that guy after all he is a big name in chess and can draw a lot of people
I'm sure that he's better at poker than most poker players are at chess! But you're right, he would get crushed if he played any amount of volume against pros.
I can't for the life of me fathom how Taras could so incisively review the hand stream-of-conscious-mode facing that river jam, fail to list any possible hands he would beat in doing so.................and then call it. Like, whaaaaaaaaaaattt? 😐
Seriously, shouldn't you try to come up with a lot of bluffs if you know the range of value is so huge. But after that hand against Brad, I don't expect much.
My thinking: He probably was thinking of the combos that beat him and concluded that it's only QQ/KK/AA. Notice how he said "KJ? Probably not. T9s? Probably not. AQ? Probably not." So he was ruling out hands his opponent could have, and in that way talking himself into a call cause there's only so few hands he loses to. And he probably thought his opponent can't only be doing it for value and has to have bluffs in there to balance it out, and good players will have bluffs here too. But probably not against a station, idk if he is one but this hand certainly makes me think so. BUT he was blocking AA with his ATs and QQ only was few combos so he probably thought it's a good spot to call. I looked in solver and it only calls the river with AT diamonds and folds the other ATs combos. Also the solver obviously doesn't take into consideration the nit game they were playing but in a pot that huge it's hardly a factor postflop anymore. Edit: Also AsTs/AhTh almost always folds flop and all the remaining ATs combos fold turn almost always (AdTd also) in solver so only the 0.1% of the time you have AdTd on river, you are supposed to mostly call and fold the other ATs combos (that you almost never should have in your range to begin with). Also KBM isn't supposed to play KK this way (he mainly should bet 20% on flop and 10-35% on river, turn sizing was fine)
@@teippio5613 what do you mean "not supposed to play like that". I know, solver, but it can't catch the dynamics, which is why the played it like he played it. Probably. A bit of a hero call though. But yes, think you're right, he was looking at combos he thinks he's up against, and decided there's relatively few. So him not listing ones he can beat isn't an issue at all
@@artsipppa Well what I meant by it was that solver calls with AsTs/AhTh only about 0.1% of the time on the flop so you will have only 0.1% of the possible AsTs/AhTh combos on river.
Great vid, Doug and it has that great "Doug-Commentary "I have been missing for so long!!!!!! Was this just a case of getting the "bully?" Maybe, but fun, anyway!!!!!
@dougpolk a great video would be reviewing the hand of Hellmuth vs slime Where hellmuth "mucked" then unmucked his cards after slime exposed his cards thinking he had won the pot. It was from the hustler stream with ninja and Mr beast. Would love your input on if Phil folded or not
Somebody put the Bart Simpsons Say the line meme before the next video so he says the line. half of me came here for great funny content, the other half came here to hear "Hey, welcome back to another episode of PoLker hands. We believe in you editorial staff.
Was giving this a listen while in the shower and I kept thinking “Who is this ‘terrorist’ that he’s talking about?” I lol’d when I saw the name. Another good one by the master! Keep them coming daddio ❤️
Based on a notification that showed up on my screen to the effect that Doug polk had a hand to show me, i clicked on the hand and within seconds was confronted with the Giggler in a Cowboy hat so I immediately went to the comment section to note that I did not wish to "lie down with dogs because I don't want to get up with fleas" and as a result I didn't see the hand but it was worth not seeing....or hearing.....if you get my drift.
"To you guys at home, if you're going to call on the turn then you have to call on the river." Too true. Equivalently, if you're not going to call on the river, then you must fold on the turn.
I really like the idea of the math of the standup game and how it affects strategy, but my intuition is that the answer is you shouldn't deviate from optimal strategy at all even when the standup game is on, unless the penalty for losing standup is more than a full buy in. If there are N players, then if you lose 1/N times on average, then you will break even no matter how much the price of losing the standup game is. Since the standup game is a fixed limit, but the poker is no-limit, then if the penalty for losing the standup game is less than a full buy in, given that you risk losing a full buy in by playing sub optimal strategy, I don't see how you could justify changing the percentages for optimal play. You just are not winning enough extra money to justify losing EV in the actual poker by playing differently.
Interesting dunno that I buy the premise that "you risk losing a full buy in by playing sub optimal strategy" I feel like a lot of wrong things are buried in that part of your thesis, haha
I'm starting to get confused seeing all the thumbnail images of Doug Polk staring at KK with his jaw hanging open. I swear there have been three of them this week alone.
"Do you have some kind of weird overpair here? Like aces or kings?" Oh, you mean the ONLY overpairs? This isn't that strange of a line from KK first to act.
15:17 a good rule of thumb if you play 1/2 and 1/3 is to ignore this advice. Massive three barrels aren’t much of a thing. You can fold the river a ton.
WOW you must love Rhode Island. Just a weekend trip to chum the waters and right back on the videos lol Nice seeing you there. Save us from the tragedy that is Boston Encore rake hiking.
Doug you should have the first stream to have muted or near muted commentators. It’s so tilting trying to listen to the conversations with the commentators yapping.
If I understand the squid button correctly, then I think it would be easy for me to calculate. I'd just ignore it. I figure it's probably going to make the other players play sub-optimally, and if you just ignore it, then your profit will increase. Depends on how big it is, of course. If it's a huge penalty, then my calculation would be even easier. I wouldn't play in that game.
That was a god awful call. Theoretically he beats AK, AJ & 88 & you’d have to be 100% certain. If I’m being bluffed there it’s cool because I can beat nothing. So not worth it, unreal.
Why in the world didn't the guy fold. The guy with KKs was consistent. He bet big time from the get go. This means he's got a big hand or he is bluffing. When you are playing with A 10 and get to the river and only pick up a pair of 10s there is so many other hands that have got you beat. Pairs higher than 10s, a couple of different sets. The odds are against you winning the hand.
87 has outs to improve. With AT here even if you hit another 10 you might be alr drawing dead if other guy has a straight or set. It has bad card clarity. AT has to fold turn even if your opponent could be bluffing with draws, reason being if you call turn then you have to also call river on a brick like here and then get stacked a lot.
Doug, your analysis is great as usual, but I think you're overcomplicating this very bad hand by Taras. It's your card room so you don't wanna bash the players too much,, understandable. So I will. Where do I even start with this? The only thing right about Taras' play here is that he had position to call with A10. Still not a great call IMO, calling a huge 3-bet with A10 isn't my favorite move. Out of position it's a slam dunk fold. Depends on the opponents, obviously, but the only way I'm calling here is against the fishiest of fishes in the deep blue sea. Someone with a range so wide they play 8-5 suited regularly. Against somebody like that, I can see calling a 3-bet in position. I don't know KBM very well at all because I haven't kept up, but he doesn't strike me as a fish. Then flop comes queen high, opp barrels again for what, 2/3 pot on the flop, and we flop second pair... the move is fold 99% of the time and shove 1% of the time. Shove probably would not have worked here, but there's a chance. As long as you really do only shove 1% of the time in this position, there's a chance that opp (if they're a TAG player) lays down his KK and figures you for smooth calling Aces PF, and congratulates himself for the hero fold! But we have the added complication that apparently Taras not only bluffed earlier but showed a bluff????? Good lord, showing bluffs is a really bad idea, showing cards at all is a terrible idea. This is just one of thousands of reasons why. So probably a shove doesn't work. Not because he BLUFFED earlier but because he SHOWED a bluff earlier. But it certainly would have worked better than passively calling flop, turn, and river!!!!! What hands do we even beat here? On any of the streets? It's really hard to even come up with anything other than a pure bluff. And that's super unlikely given the pf action, regardless of the history of the players. Calling flop, turn, and river is just crazy to me, and I don't think I would ever call in any of those spots. A small continuation bet, sure. But 2/3 pot c-bet? No. Then the crazy ramps up on the turn and river. I agree that if you call the turn, most of the time you're gonna wanna call that nothing-river as well, if you have pot odds and think the pot odds match or exceed the possibility it's a bluff, but here he would have had to have like a 30% chance opp is bluffing to win. There's no way this is a bluff 30% of the time, and again, what hands do we beat? Opp is practically screaming KK or AA, the whole time, enough that Taras even said KK out loud. Yeah this is definitely a situation where you realize you made a bad call on the turn and fold the river. Ideally you realized it 2 streets ago. But better late than never. Don't throw good money after bad. Second pair should have been an easy fold on every street here. Including the river.
Love the content. Here I was thinking you going to acknowledge the elephant in the room about the stuff from the guy in Chicago but nope… it was a month old hand
The fact that hairball constantly feels the need to talk about how long his money is makes me think he doesn't have much. Real rich people don't need to talk about how much money they have. It's suspect
Its pretty clearly just one of those setups... where you should not be calling turn to make your life hard trying to play for the "buff catching" mby with Aq you could do it, or with good draw, but like you dont even beat Qx. Very bad call on the river... like when you cant make any reasonable hands that your opponent likely hass that you beat... you should fold LOL
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I think a cool video idea could be "How good is Magnus Carlsen at poker" and analyse some of his hands. Would interest the chess audience I think
This!!! Pls upvote so Doug will see it
carlson gets way to much credit beeing a genius and was right by accident. he learned some concepts but dont understand their application and has zero experience.
but ofc everyone and their dog praises that guy after all he is a big name in chess and can draw a lot of people
Doug do this please!
I'd watch that!
I'm sure that he's better at poker than most poker players are at chess! But you're right, he would get crushed if he played any amount of volume against pros.
"Do you have some kind of 'weird' (translation: 'totally normal') overpair here?" - Taras
Keep pumping out the content Doug. It’s much appreciated.
I can't for the life of me fathom how Taras could so incisively review the hand stream-of-conscious-mode facing that river jam, fail to list any possible hands he would beat in doing so.................and then call it. Like, whaaaaaaaaaaattt? 😐
Seriously, shouldn't you try to come up with a lot of bluffs if you know the range of value is so huge. But after that hand against Brad, I don't expect much.
I screamed a lil
My thinking: He probably was thinking of the combos that beat him and concluded that it's only QQ/KK/AA. Notice how he said "KJ? Probably not. T9s? Probably not. AQ? Probably not." So he was ruling out hands his opponent could have, and in that way talking himself into a call cause there's only so few hands he loses to. And he probably thought his opponent can't only be doing it for value and has to have bluffs in there to balance it out, and good players will have bluffs here too. But probably not against a station, idk if he is one but this hand certainly makes me think so. BUT he was blocking AA with his ATs and QQ only was few combos so he probably thought it's a good spot to call. I looked in solver and it only calls the river with AT diamonds and folds the other ATs combos. Also the solver obviously doesn't take into consideration the nit game they were playing but in a pot that huge it's hardly a factor postflop anymore.
Edit: Also AsTs/AhTh almost always folds flop and all the remaining ATs combos fold turn almost always (AdTd also) in solver so only the 0.1% of the time you have AdTd on river, you are supposed to mostly call and fold the other ATs combos (that you almost never should have in your range to begin with). Also KBM isn't supposed to play KK this way (he mainly should bet 20% on flop and 10-35% on river, turn sizing was fine)
@@teippio5613 what do you mean "not supposed to play like that". I know, solver, but it can't catch the dynamics, which is why the played it like he played it. Probably. A bit of a hero call though. But yes, think you're right, he was looking at combos he thinks he's up against, and decided there's relatively few. So him not listing ones he can beat isn't an issue at all
@@artsipppa Well what I meant by it was that solver calls with AsTs/AhTh only about 0.1% of the time on the flop so you will have only 0.1% of the possible AsTs/AhTh combos on river.
anyone else think of lord of the rings when they see taras
Would be hilarious to find out his full name is Taras Ness.
Also looks like the comic book guy from the Simpsons
I see what you see
I think of the World of Warcraft guy from south park
He's a descendent of the LOTR realm
Lodge has this high stakes poker vibe, good job
And Taras has that Negreanu vibe - "I put you [correctly] on a hand that beats mine. I call" ;)
Hi what is was that finger signal sent at 4:39?
11:53 Yeah, I agree. 87s is probably a little bit better here. Probably.
hahahaha
yeah but did you consider the reverse implieds against KJ and J8 though
Damn if he had just $10 more the pot would have been $420,420 😃
@roadman if by “OCD” you mean that you’re a pothead, then yes. Ha. He wasn’t going for OCD
@@SethCorbinMusic bye noob
@@SethCorbinMusicand gets called a noob
@@snared_ this doesn’t make sense
Great vid, Doug and it has that great "Doug-Commentary "I have been missing for so long!!!!!! Was this just a case of getting the "bully?" Maybe, but fun, anyway!!!!!
@dougpolk a great video would be reviewing the hand of Hellmuth vs slime
Where hellmuth "mucked" then unmucked his cards after slime exposed his cards thinking he had won the pot. It was from the hustler stream with ninja and Mr beast. Would love your input on if Phil folded or not
Wondering what the bet is with content? Consecutive days? Min per video per days??
2023 is the year of watching Doug for me! Now if I could just get The Lodge to build a room up here in Dallas so I could play there.
That's a great video and all but why did you change your T-shirt? I need answers!
Somebody put the Bart Simpsons Say the line meme before the next video so he says the line. half of me came here for great funny content, the other half came here to hear "Hey, welcome back to another episode of PoLker hands. We believe in you editorial staff.
Was giving this a listen while in the shower and I kept thinking “Who is this ‘terrorist’ that he’s talking about?” I lol’d when I saw the name.
Another good one by the master! Keep them coming daddio ❤️
Based on a notification that showed up on my screen to the effect that Doug polk had a hand to show me, i clicked on the hand and within seconds was confronted with the Giggler in a Cowboy hat so I immediately went to the comment section to note that I did not wish to "lie down with dogs because I don't want to get up with fleas" and as a result I didn't see the hand but it was worth not seeing....or hearing.....if you get my drift.
What?
Doug, Im pretty sure I saw you at my hometown casino on Friday evening. What brings you to Rhode Island?!
Choad Island
"To you guys at home, if you're going to call on the turn then you have to call on the river." Too true. Equivalently, if you're not going to call on the river, then you must fold on the turn.
Has anyone ever clocked Nik Hairball not talking for 30 seconds or more?
I really like the idea of the math of the standup game and how it affects strategy, but my intuition is that the answer is you shouldn't deviate from optimal strategy at all even when the standup game is on, unless the penalty for losing standup is more than a full buy in. If there are N players, then if you lose 1/N times on average, then you will break even no matter how much the price of losing the standup game is. Since the standup game is a fixed limit, but the poker is no-limit, then if the penalty for losing the standup game is less than a full buy in, given that you risk losing a full buy in by playing sub optimal strategy, I don't see how you could justify changing the percentages for optimal play. You just are not winning enough extra money to justify losing EV in the actual poker by playing differently.
Well said
Interesting
dunno that I buy the premise that "you risk losing a full buy in by playing sub optimal strategy"
I feel like a lot of wrong things are buried in that part of your thesis, haha
The problem with your thesis is that people play different against you. If you don't adjust, you will be punished.
I'm starting to get confused seeing all the thumbnail images of Doug Polk staring at KK with his jaw hanging open. I swear there have been three of them this week alone.
"Do you have some kind of weird overpair here? Like aces or kings?"
Oh, you mean the ONLY overpairs?
This isn't that strange of a line from KK first to act.
ad for an ad :D love it
cant believe its 2023 and doug is giving us daily polker hands
Doug loves poker. He tried to get away, but it pulled him back in.
18:12 '' Light it up chat if you got it ''
I see what you did here :D
editor cut off doug saying how he never loses the standup game 🤣
The analysis doesn't quite make sense. Doug agrees we're still ahead on turn aside from 87. We're always ahead on this river except for 63 of clubs.
Doug your content is the best... nobody got shit on u!
15:17 a good rule of thumb if you play 1/2 and 1/3 is to ignore this advice. Massive three barrels aren’t much of a thing. You can fold the river a ton.
Calling station?
anybody else notice that dylan folded the nuts preflop? KJo in +2. definitely playable
your humor kills me hahah
He was trying so hard to talk himself into the fold.
Doug moved on from his S-tier eyebrow game
When he called I yelled a lil
Another idea for a video would be how do pros analyze recreational players
Magnus: He must have some kind of a monster.
The flop his wet AF mate can't you feel like you are slipping with a middle pair?
The nit game is so much better than the standup game. That is really weird to watch on stream.
lmao the callstation refusing to fold after naming all the hands that have him beat. 😂
But he had a pair of tens !
WTF was he thinking ?
why is nik wearing a hcl sweatshirt
I hate that when you miss top pair a flush and a straight.
Bart Hanson disagrees with your logic of calling river if you call turn and board doesn’t change..
I cannot believe he called. I would be sick.
Would be good to see a stream where the Nit game is always active. Once a looser is determined a new Nit game is started.
What does timing tell mean? Like they take awhile to bet?
while i understand your river analysis, the way the pot is set up, if he does anything else and Taras jams, he may have to call.
Guy's ad is literally asking for sponsors.
WOW you must love Rhode Island. Just a weekend trip to chum the waters and right back on the videos lol Nice seeing you there. Save us from the tragedy that is Boston Encore rake hiking.
Doug you should have the first stream to have muted or near muted commentators. It’s so tilting trying to listen to the conversations with the commentators yapping.
Oh and for your information garret has been seen playing in the big home games around LA
If I understand the squid button correctly, then I think it would be easy for me to calculate. I'd just ignore it. I figure it's probably going to make the other players play sub-optimally, and if you just ignore it, then your profit will increase.
Depends on how big it is, of course. If it's a huge penalty, then my calculation would be even easier. I wouldn't play in that game.
I would love to be at a table with taras
That was a god awful call. Theoretically he beats AK, AJ & 88 & you’d have to be 100% certain. If I’m being bluffed there it’s cool because I can beat nothing. So not worth it, unreal.
This. Sometimes we get bluffed. It doesn’t cost us as much as calling.
I hate when people name all of the hands that beat them and pretend they are handreading.
Its funny how Taras points out all the hands that beat him and still ends up calling.
420 POT GUYS
It seems a lot of people feel they have claims to first.
Anyone wanna guess how many Ethereum Taras has? Its gotta be like between 5-10,000 ethereum tokens right?
one of the worst calls ive ever seen
Why in the world didn't the guy fold. The guy with KKs was consistent. He bet big time from the get go. This means he's got a big hand or he is bluffing. When you are playing with A 10 and get to the river and only pick up a pair of 10s there is so many other hands that have got you beat. Pairs higher than 10s, a couple of different sets. The odds are against you winning the hand.
lol he made a good thought and then he called out of a blue
yeah we know there Cpt Obvious, everyone saw it just like you did
Nice legs behind KBM kept me watching. This is an easy fold, IMO, on the turn, if not the flop.
11:55 yeah 87suited would probably be a little bit better here 😂
87 has outs to improve. With AT here even if you hit another 10 you might be alr drawing dead if other guy has a straight or set. It has bad card clarity. AT has to fold turn even if your opponent could be bluffing with draws, reason being if you call turn then you have to also call river on a brick like here and then get stacked a lot.
Doug Polk is the greatest of all time
Be better without doug and airball yapping in the background.
I've never seen this guy win, plus his personality at the table is just weird
He raised it 5k more Terass only throws in one pink
He names every hand that beats him and then calls. Wth
Nij Airball in da house?
POLKER HANDS = im a genius!
Sickkk watch
What kind and who's?
I’m out on the turn but that’s just me 🤷♂️
Does he talk about how he is so rich? I don’t watch streams
It warms my heart when I see Taras lose a monster pot 🤗. I'm human, give me a break
Taras' table talk is incredibly annoying and off putting for the stream. Hopefully for the sake of the table this shut him up for a little bit
Exact same thing happen to me. Just that my opponent is nit rolling with 36 clubs and calls.
not a sole cares, this is not about you no one came here hoping to hear about cathdan's supposed bad beat
Doug, your analysis is great as usual, but I think you're overcomplicating this very bad hand by Taras. It's your card room so you don't wanna bash the players too much,, understandable. So I will.
Where do I even start with this? The only thing right about Taras' play here is that he had position to call with A10. Still not a great call IMO, calling a huge 3-bet with A10 isn't my favorite move. Out of position it's a slam dunk fold. Depends on the opponents, obviously, but the only way I'm calling here is against the fishiest of fishes in the deep blue sea. Someone with a range so wide they play 8-5 suited regularly. Against somebody like that, I can see calling a 3-bet in position. I don't know KBM very well at all because I haven't kept up, but he doesn't strike me as a fish.
Then flop comes queen high, opp barrels again for what, 2/3 pot on the flop, and we flop second pair... the move is fold 99% of the time and shove 1% of the time. Shove probably would not have worked here, but there's a chance. As long as you really do only shove 1% of the time in this position, there's a chance that opp (if they're a TAG player) lays down his KK and figures you for smooth calling Aces PF, and congratulates himself for the hero fold!
But we have the added complication that apparently Taras not only bluffed earlier but showed a bluff????? Good lord, showing bluffs is a really bad idea, showing cards at all is a terrible idea. This is just one of thousands of reasons why. So probably a shove doesn't work. Not because he BLUFFED earlier but because he SHOWED a bluff earlier.
But it certainly would have worked better than passively calling flop, turn, and river!!!!!
What hands do we even beat here? On any of the streets? It's really hard to even come up with anything other than a pure bluff. And that's super unlikely given the pf action, regardless of the history of the players.
Calling flop, turn, and river is just crazy to me, and I don't think I would ever call in any of those spots. A small continuation bet, sure. But 2/3 pot c-bet? No.
Then the crazy ramps up on the turn and river. I agree that if you call the turn, most of the time you're gonna wanna call that nothing-river as well, if you have pot odds and think the pot odds match or exceed the possibility it's a bluff, but here he would have had to have like a 30% chance opp is bluffing to win. There's no way this is a bluff 30% of the time, and again, what hands do we beat?
Opp is practically screaming KK or AA, the whole time, enough that Taras even said KK out loud. Yeah this is definitely a situation where you realize you made a bad call on the turn and fold the river. Ideally you realized it 2 streets ago. But better late than never.
Don't throw good money after bad. Second pair should have been an easy fold on every street here. Including the river.
kbm is the goat
Aces, Kings, Queens, AQ. You must have a monster. Ok, I call. Fak
hello, Doug
does airball ever shut his pie hole when guys are trying to play the hand hes not it?
Airball wants all the attention focused on him. Whether he's in a hand or not
Taras constantly talks during hands he's not in. Why should we care if he gets the same treatment?
Love the content. Here I was thinking you going to acknowledge the elephant in the room about the stuff from the guy in Chicago but nope… it was a month old hand
Ben Lamb is so damn good, never forgot his deep run in WSOP.
He’s had multiple deep Main Event runs. He is really versatile and consistent.
Oh man, he knows he’s beat the whole time but wants to be the hero, yikes.
KBM = KINGS BEAT MOST
Polka time
Every noun then
290 + 130 + 130 is 550 not 450. Maths don’t adds ups
And the thumb mail says 420… which is it
The fact that hairball constantly feels the need to talk about how long his money is makes me think he doesn't have much. Real rich people don't need to talk about how much money they have. It's suspect
It’s his persona g I know a friend who’s close to his father he’s worth around 200 million
He has a full stacking deal
No, no, this is not the player that ? Well, anyway, U tried 2 educate, but plz with ... that R players that people learn from
Its pretty clearly just one of those setups... where you should not be calling turn to make your life hard trying to play for the "buff catching" mby with Aq you could do it, or with good draw, but like you dont even beat Qx. Very bad call on the river... like when you cant make any reasonable hands that your opponent likely hass that you beat... you should fold LOL
You don’t gotta make a video just to make a video daily 😅
I think the penalty for the "Nit game" loser is way too low.
That’s exactly what I was thinking
Why do you chat so long, please cut it down a little.
Don't call with A10, buy Bitcoin instead
What a terrible call
need more high stake games like huslter
We're gonna need a mic that can't pick up Nik Butterball's voice. That tub of _____ is just too annoying to be allowed.
That was a RAMPAGE or Mariono kinda punt