Thank you Puck - you are perhaps one of a VERY few journalists who can pierce the veil of the dysfunction that infects this organization. Dysfunctional organizations have several characteristics in common: 1. They become secretive and erect barriers to transparency 2. They attempt to pacify rather than satisfy their customers 3. Their focus becomes preserving and defending the status quo. 4. They know the outside world can smell their ongoing dysfunction so they double down with their current executives because the shareholders (ownership) cannot fix the dysfunction. 5. They realize the deterioration of their reputation within the industry they serve (MLB) has now become such that they are at a distinct disadvantage for recruiting the experienced outside executive talent ( as well as the on-field personnel - bonafide producers - they desperately need) they truly require to fix the mess their current executive management has created. This creates even more difficulties as the ownership is relying on the same people who created the mess they are in. 6. They become enamored with distraction as part of their defensive posture (“look at what’s upcoming next year” etc). 7. They begin to lose talent or begin to refuse to pay the producing talent they have - defending current angst by additional future oriented distraction narratives (“look what’s coming!”) 8. They hype hope to their employees, customers and industry. 9. They may terminate a key executive as a “scapegoat - to attempt to create the impression they know what they are doing and the falsehood they know how and are capable of reversing the dysfunction themselves. 10. They have a tendency to succumb to the belief that they must “bring back” former customer facing personnel who were formerly popular with their customer base in a half brained attempt to stabilize the deterioration of their own public trust and integrity. Thus, they “hunker down” with what they have and the dysfunction continues unabated. All the while spinning new narratives that “everything is fine” and “we’ve got this!” Honestly, what experienced MLB executive who has bonafide experience taking this team to the next level would be interested in taking the POBO position with this franchise? Particularly with the knuckleheads that comprise this ownership group. Honestly - the answer is people looking for a paycheck who will become willing “yes people” and water carriers for this ownership group. What this franchise has become are the “Seattle SO-SO’s” - Same Old Same Old’s. It just keeps going in circles creating ruts on the hearts of fans, players, the media, the region and MLB. This is NOT my opinion - it is my professional experience - as an independent management consultant to troubled privately and publicly traded companies for two decades. Thank you for being an authentic journalist Puck. Murrow would be proud. You nailed it.
Ryan’s audio isn’t great, but I also get he’s not gonna shout in an airport lounge for 30 minutes. Good stuff regardless, thank you both!!
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Yes, thank you Puck and Divish. We fans are grateful to you to have real and honest conversations like this one. Divish is one of the few people I've seen who makes his living directly off in-perrson reporting about a team, and yet is not afraid to be honest in a conversation like this when it would be so easy not to. I took his quiet tone as the reality that what he is talking/reporting about here impacts his work environment. Bravo gentlemen.
I love your love for the M's Puck! I am right there with you. Decades of frustration, and yet I can't tune them out. Bringing back Jerry infuriates me and yet, I'll be watching the game tomorrow. WHY CAN'T I TELL THIS FRANCHISE TO F%CK OFF??
No other team would keep somebody around for this long with barely any success after 9 years. 1 playoff appearance in 9 years. Pitching means nothing if you don't make the playoffs! People lose their jobs for coming short in the playoffs too many times and this guy doesn't even make it to the playoffs! Owners need to sell the team. Until they do this team will never win anything more than the division, if that.
Come on you guys. You knew this was going to happen. Honestly. Deep down you all knew they were bringing him back. They are going to trade a pitcher, reduce payroll, and win the same or less games. Also the bats they trade for will do nothing while here. Hitters hit when they leave. It's something in the culture or coaching.
@@treyvaloVods yeah I want to see the mariners be good don't give a shit about hitters that won't be here till all our pitchers are gone who might not be able to hit anyways
@@PuckSports The M’s haven’t developed hitters like Julio or Cal since A-Rod and Junior years so yeah, I think that they done well. You will mention Brett Boone or Kyle Seager as well, but they are handful of good home grown hitters. As Ryan Diviih points out, the M’s were touting Kelenic, Julio, and White as the future. White won Rookie of Year and his future looked brighter until his injury. Kelenic was viewed as better than Julio in the organization, but he never attainted his potential.
Since profit is all the ownership group cares about, it's time to vote with your feet. Stop buying tickets and gear, that's the only way they will change.
Personally, my take is that Stanton et al were caught by surprise by the descent after a good start to the year. Howard Lincoln and company ran the Mariners for many many years. Then Jerry acended internally from GM to president. If they fired him, wouldn't it be the first total regime change that the ownership would have to handle? Because Jerry controls essentially how the entire organization runs, not only at the major league level but in the minors also. Too big of a change for them to consider at the moment. To me, that is their thinking. But who knows, the ownership is embarrassingly bad.
@@broose5240 Good point. Bering and Howard Schultz are alone in the top rank for all time backstabbers to the sports fans of the city and region, but as far as ability to be competent owners of a professional team, current M's ownership is just baaaaaad. They are bumblers, to say the least.
well ive watched Mariner baseball since going to the kingdom to 10k fans to relax. Mariners are in the best position I have ever seen. We are not the Yankees, fans are expecting Mariners to like the Yankees. This not a bad thing. Mariners cant buy players. They are trying to do it differently. Expectationsare high , shows ownership is doing something right.
@@ryanstaiger1712 Thanks for the follow up. What I meant was he was hired as GM and then a number of years later promoted internally to President. My point being there hasn't been a wholesale change to go outside the org for the top leadership role (above the GM) in many many many years, and I don't get the feel the ownership is prepared for it right now... and partly because they are not great owners. They stumble through this stuff. It would be a very big organizational change. Bigger than changing just a GM.
It's not fair to say there's no rhyme or reason to why they acquire players. we have zero idea what the process looks like behind the scenes so trying to judge it based solely on results is an incomplete picture.
it'd be nice if the owners didn't make the gm's job double difficult, number one its almost impossible winning the world series with a sub 150mil payroll, and number two they don't allow the gm to fully rebuild, too worried about their profit margins
Bringing back Dipoto and hiring Dan Wilson just means that the organization is going to regress and needs 1995 retreads for a 30 year anniversary love fest because it’s the only way to bring fans to the park. 24 Jr bobblehead days, 11 edgar bat nights, 19 buhner buzz cut nights, and a Bobby Ayala pin the tail on the donkey night.
It's the Biden defense, just hide away or if heaven forbid a mic is put in your face, just walk away with a smirk. So dipstick will be lining up to trade Kirby, Gilbert, Cal for peanuts and think he fleeced the other team...Great. Seems like all we do is supply other teams with talent anymore.
Re to your rambling questions starting at 5:30: Mariners offense was good last year and the year before. I get we’re mad, WE SHOULD BE, but the embellishment doesn’t help. If you wanna know why things are going the way they are look at the stats. Everyone has access to fangraphs and baseball-reference. “ZERO offensive identity”, “NEVER had a good offense”, etc. These are dumb and easily proven false with ten seconds of research
@@PuckSportsfrom ‘16-‘18 they were decent offensively, with mostly Jack Zs players but since 2019 when it was all Jerry’s players after getting rid of cano and nelly. They have consistently been a bottom 10 offense in terms of batting average and Ks. (That will happen when you consistently roll out rosters year in and year out that feature modern day walking Mendoza Line Dylan Moore 🤦♂️) ‘23 offense ranked 12th in ranked scored and for all the grief they got it’s honestly the best lineup since 2019 lol. They over corrected, they saw their 2 division rivals not only makes the playoffs but play for the American League championship and one ended up WS Champs. So they panicked in my opinion, it came down to 10 games and honestly that’s baseball unfortunately but they overdid it this offseason lol Honestly getting rid of Geno was the dumbest decision they made this offseason. By not even offering Teo the Q Offer or a contract offer they let 189 RBI go! That’s basically two 100 RBI guys or 200 RBI combined however you look at it, that was moronic who in their right mind thought that would go well 🤦♂️ especially when you replaced them with Haniger and Polanco 2 guys who have shown they are done both guys had been hurt the last 2 seasons. Btw Haniger and Polanco have a combined 80 RBI 😂 while Teo and Geno again will combine for 190-200 RBI for their respective teams. Jerry is the problem best snake oil salesman in the game.
Also the 9 year rhetoric is junk. 3ish years where he was brought into a team he didn't construct and couldn't add to. 3ish years where he was allowed to rebuild, then 3 years after the team exited the rebuild and 1 he made the playoffs. the other 2 his entire offseason plans were scrapped because ownership drastically lowered his budget after the plan was made.
Jason Puckett just loves throwing darts. He sounds like an entitled fan. He doesn’t speak for all the fans. Instead of throwing darts, what solutions does Jason recommend? I can only guess that he wants his good ole buddy, Jim Duquette to be the GM. Duquette, only makes sense for a team that will delve mostly on free agency. From this Ryan Divish interview, Ryan believes that the team has done a lot of success and has shown what a farm system can do for the team without solely relying on free agency. Ryan also stated from previous interview that Jerry is the antithesis of Pat Gillick /Jack Zduriencik and vice a versa. Jerry is good with the farm system, but lacks the ability to evaluate MLB players from outside the team. Jerry, in offseason, needs to solve this piece of the puzzle. I agree with Jason Puckett that this team needs to develop some sort of offensive philosophy. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, then expecting different results.
@@PuckSports You haven’t been listening to Ryan Divish and you never will. This M’s team has been around for 46 years or so. Of the 38 years prior to Dipoto, the M’s had 11 winning seasons. Of the 8 completed seasons under Dipoto, the M’s had 5 winning seasons, 3 of which were in a rebuild mode. As I understand , a rebuild takes longer than 3 years. With the market that Seattle is in and the ownership that the M’s have, Dipoto has found a way (draft, develop and trade) to win that doesn’t break the bank for ownership. Gary HIll said it best, that this is the golden age of M’s Farm development where you don’t have to buy entire roster (see The Couch GM interview). Ryan Divish does a better job speaking for the fans than Puckett even Marine Layer podcast said that fanbase is divided on Dipoto.
@@PuckSports As for playoff appearances, the M’s had 5 playoff appearances in 46 years or so., one of which was under Dipoto. There is a term in hockey called “multiple shots on goal.” With multiple shots on goal, there will eventually be a goal scored. That seems to be what Ryan Divish was trying to say about DIpoto’s 54 plan. You need to steady the ship before you can do anything.
@@PuckSports You ignored most of what Ryan Divish was saying. I think you (Puckett) only have Ryan because he works for the Seattle Times. Locked On Mariners did a good job interviewing Ryan Divish. Locked on Mariners continues to be the gold standard for Mariners podcasts. Puckett’s podcast has that old man, get off my lawn vibe to it.
Thank you Puck - you are perhaps one of a VERY few journalists who can pierce the veil of the dysfunction that infects this organization. Dysfunctional organizations have several characteristics in common: 1. They become secretive and erect barriers to transparency 2. They attempt to pacify rather than satisfy their customers 3. Their focus becomes preserving and defending the status quo. 4. They know the outside world can smell their ongoing dysfunction so they double down with their current executives because the shareholders (ownership) cannot fix the dysfunction. 5. They realize the deterioration of their reputation within the industry they serve (MLB) has now become such that they are at a distinct disadvantage for recruiting the experienced outside executive talent ( as well as the on-field personnel - bonafide producers - they desperately need) they truly require to fix the mess their current executive management has created. This creates even more difficulties as the ownership is relying on the same people who created the mess they are in. 6. They become enamored with distraction as part of their defensive posture (“look at what’s upcoming next year” etc). 7. They begin to lose talent or begin to refuse to pay the producing talent they have - defending current angst by additional future oriented distraction narratives (“look what’s coming!”) 8. They hype hope to their employees, customers and industry. 9. They may terminate a key executive as a “scapegoat - to attempt to create the impression they know what they are doing and the falsehood they know how and are capable of reversing the dysfunction themselves. 10. They have a tendency to succumb to the belief that they must “bring back” former customer facing personnel who were formerly popular with their customer base in a half brained attempt to stabilize the deterioration of their own public trust and integrity. Thus, they “hunker down” with what they have and the dysfunction continues unabated. All the while spinning new narratives that “everything is fine” and “we’ve got this!” Honestly, what experienced MLB executive who has bonafide experience taking this team to the next level would be interested in taking the POBO position with this franchise? Particularly with the knuckleheads that comprise this ownership group. Honestly - the answer is people looking for a paycheck who will become willing “yes people” and water carriers for this ownership group. What this franchise has become are the “Seattle SO-SO’s” - Same Old Same Old’s. It just keeps going in circles creating ruts on the hearts of fans, players, the media, the region and MLB. This is NOT my opinion - it is my professional experience - as an independent management consultant to troubled privately and publicly traded companies for two decades. Thank you for being an authentic journalist Puck. Murrow would be proud. You nailed it.
Appreciate this guys. I've been annoyed by this news all day. Just can't wrap my head around it.
Stellar episode! Great, timely information. Thanks.
Thanks for the great M's content Puck 🔥🔥🔥
Bringing Jerry back tells me that the Mariners' ownership still isn't serious about winning.
Ryan’s audio isn’t great, but I also get he’s not gonna shout in an airport lounge for 30 minutes.
Good stuff regardless, thank you both!!
Yes, thank you Puck and Divish. We fans are grateful to you to have real and honest conversations like this one. Divish is one of the few people I've seen who makes his living directly off in-perrson reporting about a team, and yet is not afraid to be honest in a conversation like this when it would be so easy not to. I took his quiet tone as the reality that what he is talking/reporting about here impacts his work environment. Bravo gentlemen.
I love your love for the M's Puck! I am right there with you. Decades of frustration, and yet I can't tune them out. Bringing back Jerry infuriates me and yet, I'll be watching the game tomorrow. WHY CAN'T I TELL THIS FRANCHISE TO F%CK OFF??
No other team would keep somebody around for this long with barely any success after 9 years. 1 playoff appearance in 9 years. Pitching means nothing if you don't make the playoffs! People lose their jobs for coming short in the playoffs too many times and this guy doesn't even make it to the playoffs! Owners need to sell the team. Until they do this team will never win anything more than the division, if that.
We need to protest outside like the Fear God guy at the stadium.
Just act like the Yankees fans
Proud atheists with expectations
I am totally in favor of bringing back my metabolism that I had in ‘95 😉
Come on you guys. You knew this was going to happen. Honestly. Deep down you all knew they were bringing him back. They are going to trade a pitcher, reduce payroll, and win the same or less games. Also the bats they trade for will do nothing while here. Hitters hit when they leave. It's something in the culture or coaching.
This is correct. This is also Mariner baseball.
Im so sick of hearing about all of these prospects that probably wont be able to hit just like everyone else under dipoto.
Sick of hearing about your teams up and coming players lol?
@@treyvaloVods yeah I want to see the mariners be good don't give a shit about hitters that won't be here till all our pitchers are gone who might not be able to hit anyways
Prospects like Julio and Cal weren’t able to hit?
in 9 years they have developed two hitters.
@@PuckSports The M’s haven’t developed hitters like Julio or Cal since A-Rod and Junior years so yeah, I think that they done well. You will mention Brett Boone or Kyle Seager as well, but they are handful of good home grown hitters. As Ryan Diviih points out, the M’s were touting Kelenic, Julio, and White as the future. White won Rookie of Year and his future looked brighter until his injury. Kelenic was viewed as better than Julio in the organization, but he never attainted his potential.
Since profit is all the ownership group cares about, it's time to vote with your feet. Stop buying tickets and gear, that's the only way they will change.
If Depoto comes back then I am OUT
Personally, my take is that Stanton et al were caught by surprise by the descent after a good start to the year. Howard Lincoln and company ran the Mariners for many many years. Then Jerry acended internally from GM to president. If they fired him, wouldn't it be the first total regime change that the ownership would have to handle? Because Jerry controls essentially how the entire organization runs, not only at the major league level but in the minors also. Too big of a change for them to consider at the moment. To me, that is their thinking. But who knows, the ownership is embarrassingly bad.
Ken Bering bad? Be careful what you wish for
@@broose5240 Good point. Bering and Howard Schultz are alone in the top rank for all time backstabbers to the sports fans of the city and region, but as far as ability to be competent owners of a professional team, current M's ownership is just baaaaaad. They are bumblers, to say the least.
well ive watched Mariner baseball since going to the kingdom to 10k fans to relax. Mariners are in the best position I have ever seen. We are not the Yankees, fans are expecting Mariners to like the Yankees. This not a bad thing. Mariners cant buy players. They are trying to do it differently. Expectationsare high , shows ownership is doing something right.
Internally? Jerry came from the Angels.
@@ryanstaiger1712 Thanks for the follow up. What I meant was he was hired as GM and then a number of years later promoted internally to President. My point being there hasn't been a wholesale change to go outside the org for the top leadership role (above the GM) in many many many years, and I don't get the feel the ownership is prepared for it right now... and partly because they are not great owners. They stumble through this stuff. It would be a very big organizational change. Bigger than changing just a GM.
Just root for the Seahawks. They made changes, and I hope that it works out. Mariners ownership could learn alot from the Seahawks.
1995 Seattle Mariners referenced 👀
You know 2025 will be the 1995 love fest. The team will suck, so they will retread that 95 garbage all year.
It's not fair to say there's no rhyme or reason to why they acquire players. we have zero idea what the process looks like behind the scenes so trying to judge it based solely on results is an incomplete picture.
I’m sorry, but why do you think they keep score if it isn’t completely about results?
it'd be nice if the owners didn't make the gm's job double difficult, number one its almost impossible winning the world series with a sub 150mil payroll, and number two they don't allow the gm to fully rebuild, too worried about their profit margins
Bringing back Dipoto and hiring Dan Wilson just means that the organization is going to regress and needs 1995 retreads for a 30 year anniversary love fest because it’s the only way to bring fans to the park. 24 Jr bobblehead days, 11 edgar bat nights, 19 buhner buzz cut nights, and a Bobby Ayala pin the tail on the donkey night.
Anything the owners says is taken negatively. Now not talking is negative
Which owner is this?
@@chadtheripper4386 Sonic owner
It's the Biden defense, just hide away or if heaven forbid a mic is put in your face, just walk away with a smirk. So dipstick will be lining up to trade Kirby, Gilbert, Cal for peanuts and think he fleeced the other team...Great. Seems like all we do is supply other teams with talent anymore.
Re to your rambling questions starting at 5:30: Mariners offense was good last year and the year before. I get we’re mad, WE SHOULD BE, but the embellishment doesn’t help. If you wanna know why things are going the way they are look at the stats. Everyone has access to fangraphs and baseball-reference. “ZERO offensive identity”, “NEVER had a good offense”, etc. These are dumb and easily proven false with ten seconds of research
The truth is already bad, I dont get the need to spice it up
for 9 years there offense has been bad.
@@PuckSportsfrom ‘16-‘18 they were decent offensively, with mostly Jack Zs players but since 2019 when it was all Jerry’s players after getting rid of cano and nelly. They have consistently been a bottom 10 offense in terms of batting average and Ks. (That will happen when you consistently roll out rosters year in and year out that feature modern day walking Mendoza Line Dylan Moore 🤦♂️)
‘23 offense ranked 12th in ranked scored and for all the grief they got it’s honestly the best lineup since 2019 lol.
They over corrected, they saw their 2 division rivals not only makes the playoffs but play for the American League championship and one ended up WS Champs. So they panicked in my opinion, it came down to 10 games and honestly that’s baseball unfortunately but they overdid it this offseason lol
Honestly getting rid of Geno was the dumbest decision they made this offseason. By not even offering Teo the Q Offer or a contract offer they let 189 RBI go! That’s basically two 100 RBI guys or 200 RBI combined however you look at it, that was moronic who in their right mind thought that would go well 🤦♂️ especially when you replaced them with Haniger and Polanco 2 guys who have shown they are done both guys had been hurt the last 2 seasons.
Btw Haniger and Polanco have a combined 80 RBI 😂 while Teo and Geno again will combine for 190-200 RBI for their respective teams. Jerry is the problem best snake oil salesman in the game.
Sewkaw
Seattle really lost the wrong team. Should have let the Mariners leave, such a dumb organization.
Don't ever badmouth my team The Mariners. Please just stop.
The SuperSonics were garbage and that's why they became the Oklahoma City Thunder..
Just stop trashtalking my team. U hear me.
@MarkHolly-ou5ut shut up. They had a history of winning. The Mariners have a season or 2 lol.
The Mariners are the worst franchise in MLB. Rename it T-Mobile Home park and replace the concessions with needle exchanges.
Nobody wants to watch no offense baseball its a terrible product
Also the 9 year rhetoric is junk. 3ish years where he was brought into a team he didn't construct and couldn't add to. 3ish years where he was allowed to rebuild, then 3 years after the team exited the rebuild and 1 he made the playoffs. the other 2 his entire offseason plans were scrapped because ownership drastically lowered his budget after the plan was made.
If they didn't fire him with servias, it should have been obvious
That was a whole bunch of nothing. Sorry … it was just noise.
Jason Puckett just loves throwing darts. He sounds like an entitled fan. He doesn’t speak for all the fans. Instead of throwing darts, what solutions does Jason recommend? I can only guess that he wants his good ole buddy, Jim Duquette to be the GM. Duquette, only makes sense for a team that will delve mostly on free agency. From this Ryan Divish interview, Ryan believes that the team has done a lot of success and has shown what a farm system can do for the team without solely relying on free agency. Ryan also stated from previous interview that Jerry is the antithesis of Pat Gillick /Jack Zduriencik and vice a versa. Jerry is good with the farm system, but lacks the ability to evaluate MLB players from outside the team. Jerry, in offseason, needs to solve this piece of the puzzle. I agree with Jason Puckett that this team needs to develop some sort of offensive philosophy. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, then expecting different results.
You’re right. Jerry just needs 10 more years to get it right
He's had nine years and one playoff appearance. Not good enough, but good enough for you.
@@PuckSports You haven’t been listening to Ryan Divish and you never will. This M’s team has been around for 46 years or so. Of the 38 years prior to Dipoto, the M’s had 11 winning seasons. Of the 8 completed seasons under Dipoto, the M’s had 5 winning seasons, 3 of which were in a rebuild mode. As I understand , a rebuild takes longer than 3 years. With the market that Seattle is in and the ownership that the M’s have, Dipoto has found a way (draft, develop and trade) to win that doesn’t break the bank for ownership. Gary HIll said it best, that this is the golden age of M’s Farm development where you don’t have to buy entire roster (see The Couch GM interview). Ryan Divish does a better job speaking for the fans than Puckett even Marine Layer podcast said that fanbase is divided on Dipoto.
@@PuckSports As for playoff appearances, the M’s had 5 playoff appearances in 46 years or so., one of which was under Dipoto. There is a term in hockey called “multiple shots on goal.” With multiple shots on goal, there will eventually be a goal scored. That seems to be what Ryan Divish was trying to say about DIpoto’s 54 plan. You need to steady the ship before you can do anything.
@@PuckSports You ignored most of what Ryan Divish was saying. I think you (Puckett) only have Ryan because he works for the Seattle Times. Locked On Mariners did a good job interviewing Ryan Divish. Locked on Mariners continues to be the gold standard for Mariners podcasts. Puckett’s podcast has that old man, get off my lawn vibe to it.