Great video! 39yo here. I took advantage of the 3% match for transferring over a Roth IRA from Vanguard that I will not need access to for well over 5 years. It's invested in a four-fund portfolio and I'll use the account to do Roth backdoor conversions every year with it. In my particular case, it made sense--I got a few thousand bucks for free, can keep using the account as I intend, etc. But of course, each individual will need to consider their particular scenario.
@tmh44.. qq.. when u do backdoor .. are you gonna convert Ira match as well ? In that case you need to pay tax on the match right? Else if you get the match in the Roth directly after the conversion then you don’t need to pay tax for the match amount ? Please let me know
You just earned yourself a subscriber sir! I appreciate your thorough research! You even answered some questions I hadn’t thought about lol. Love from NJ!
Thank you very much for this video for breaking down all the terms and conditions. I saw the ad and I have been seriously considering it. It was too good to be true at first glance.
@@drewr9580 It's definitely NOT the best platform. Thinkorswim is by far the best platform (now owned by Charles Schwab). Robinhood is used by 20 year olds to punt away their money gambling.
Thank you very much for this! I am actually doing the gold 3% match with Robinhood. I have been slowly incrementally transferring out of Fidelity into Robinhood. All the way I’m monitoring if I have been getting the match and yes I am indeed. I’m not near the time of taking RMDs so those things you mentioned weren’t disqualifying for me. But I wanted to hear everything you had to say before finalizing the decision. Thank you again!
Wow I've got almost 20% of my estate spread out between those apps, Treasury Direct and online HYSA - never thought about putting a bene on them. Won't my will would take care of all that?
@@ATHJD07my understanding is it makes the whole inheritance process so much easier for heirs if you have the designated beneficiary (ies) named within the account itself.
@Rob , another catch I learnt today is the cash you are holding in IRA doesn't generate any interest. 5.25% API for cash is only for brokerage account.. Moreover, in IRA they don't allow money market fund investment. Your only option is to invest in ETF.
You are misinformed. The ENTIRE PURPOSE of an IRA is to invest the money my guy. If you didn't want to invest then don't use investment accounts... Second, you have the option to throw the money into the cash sweep account for the 5.0% interest. None of this is hidden. It is there plain as day. You are trying to act like they are hiding something. The crazy part is you could just invest in an ETF that tracks US treasuries for higher rates anyhow plus tax benefits if you were worried. You should probably be investing in something more aggressive though so it actually grows much more rapidly.
@@steveno7058Why wouldn't you? It's literally one of the best retirement accounts in existence in the U.S. Better than a 401k even since you have complete control. It's like asking why you would want to retire ever?
Hi Rob. I am a young professional that recently moved to Columbus, For my first job since graduating school. Your videos have helped me get a grip on how to set myself up for success, and start saving early. The buckeyes are playing my alma mater at the shoe this fall. Keep the videos coming.
@@Cdix Well, I would be holding shares of companies in the IRA. I can't imagine a scenario in which Robin Hood went bankrupt and somehow took my ownership of MSFT and SCHD with them.
@@peterpayne2219 You never really own your shares, the brokerage holds them on your behalf in street name. Hence why there is such thing as SIPC insurance that applies to securities
@@peterpayne2219 I think you are right. He has done a video on what happens to your stock if the brokerage folds. It all should just transfer to the next brokerage.
@@peterpayne2219No wonder you got a million. You're not blindly following weirdos that just say silly stuff without looking into things. Robinhood has solid numbers and run as a legitimate brokerage just as any other decent brokerage does. I'd personally give it a go. Giving up a guranteed 30k is not chump change. Especially since as you know, investing even at average rates that 30k isn't even just 30k. Depending on timeline of ut being invested, that 30k is easily 60k-120k of muddled capital over the years easily.
Sounds like they're hurting for liquidity. I don't trust Robinhood will be around in five plus years. When they eventually fold I don't want to deal with the stress of recovering my investments.
what stops me a lot is just inertia. i'm currently with chase and its nice i have two rewards cards (one is the amazon 5% back card), savings, checking, and now they even have a barebones investing service. So thats 5 accounts I can look at on one screen, transfer money between checking and savings instantly, etc. it's hard to overcome that ease of use.
"Sounds like they're hurting for liquidity. I don't trust Robinhood will be around in five plus years. When they eventually fold I don't want to deal with the stress of recovering my investments." @josephdickson 3/28/2024
This, they are hurting for liquidity hard, that's why they are advertising so much. These guys are scum, they were the ones halting orders during the gamestop fiasco.
Thank you Rob for doing the homework for us. We greatly appreciate it! We hope your back feels better. I'm assuming that's why you might be standing. Best regards from Florida! PS, dropping $2 million into that account would be an instant $60,000 return. That's appealing.
@Rob Berger hey Rob, I’m a long time listener and occasionally participant in your live streams. I was going back through and rewatched this video and I love the energy from you while standing. Now, I know this may have been related to back issues, but thought I would share the feedback. I’m grateful for all you do for us. Thanks so much!
Make sure to not opt into their stock lending program in your brokerage account and IRAs. It's checked on by default. Also, check your privacy settings.
@@newagain9964 I hear you. That's certainly a valid point of view. I think it's a question of degrees. Some people consider all equity investing to be working with grifters too. We have to all draw that line for ourselves.
@robberger Please do a follow-up on this after you've spoken with your estate/trust expert. I do understand my situation will be different, but it could help me decide whether to dig in further for me. Thanks Rob!
Didn't even know you had a UA-cam channel Rob. I've listened to pretty much every episode of your podcast I did not pay any attention to whose video I was clicking on but as soon as I heard that voice I knew who it was
This was such a great, informative video. The title made me nervous thinking I missed something in this deal from my research. But my understanding was correct and luckily the reason for you canceling won’t effect my decision just hope the transfer goes smoothly
I'm curious if the credit card points can be redeemed into a Roth IRA. I wonder if they will be counted towards the annual contribution limits. I know it is a gray zone with redeeming Amex points via Schwab into Roth IRAs.
IIRC, it only took me about 5 minutes to make an IRA at Schwab a few years ago. Then about 3 hours of waiting for whatever it is they were doing for 3 hours.
Hmm. I am very happy with Vanguard. But 3% to transfer can be a nice incentive. I have a 3 fund portfolio - VTSAX, VBTLX, VTIAX. I guess I could just get the ETF equivalents at Robinhood, and looks like $0 trade fees. I'm not set to retire for 10 years, so keeping it there for 5 shouldn't be an issue. Hmm...
I'm turning 54 in a few days, so even if it takes 5 years, I can't take any money out anyways, right? I can't take anything out until 59 1/2 (without penalties). So is this a good deal for someone in my situation?
Rob! I love this video, it spared me a lot of time. I'm considering rolling an old Traditional 401(k) from former employer to a Roth IRA. Do you happen to know if the 3% match from Robinhood applies to opening Roth IRA, or just Traditional IRA? Also, please let me know what you decide to do upon discussing with your estate planning attorney.
Rob, an unrelated question: When using the Guyton and Klinger "guardrails" method, how does one calculate the amount that the equities portion of the portfolio has gone up each year (so knowing how much to move to cash)? We have *many* separate index funds, plus some are blended...so it's not at all easy to figure out how much growth happened during a year. Is there an app that will total by asset class (like Empower) AND you can look back historically to check the value of all stocks on your given snapshot date? Or are you just doing it "by hand"?
It's super useful to know that the bonus you earn on the backdoor Roth will be taxed (on the conversion). I think the 3% match on conversion to Robinhood is worth it, but for trying to backdoor it with gold, I'm not sure if that's worth the hassle.
It seems to me that because Robinhood is so popular among young people, who have way less wealth and beneficieries to transfer money to, they just didn't prioritize those features all that strongly. I'm a 26 barely getting started, so that happens not to be a very big deal for me, so this video was very helpful.
What of the reverse of the scenario you presented: you transfer, the market goes up. You take money out. The market goes down so you're below your original transfer. Do you have to pay it back then?
I did this last year when my employer sold business and I had to move my 401k so I moved RH IRA, got my 3%, not worry about moving it or min distribution. I also can trade in the IRA👍
Interesting (no pun intended) that they're able to call the match "interest". I wonder if some brokerage could set up something like this to get around contributions limits. E.g. I join the "super platinum tier" of my brokerage for $10,000 a year, and in exchange, I get a $10,000 "interest" payment in my account.
No, you can’t set up some “interest transfer” deposit method. That would be akin to money laundering. The match is separate from your personal contribution, treated as interest, not against your contribution limit. Rolling over other accounts will not count against your contribution limits either. Neither the 1% basic, nor the 3% RH Gold match, will count against. I don’t think you can pay $10
@@Playingwithproxies anything above 2% flat cashback gets into unsustainable territory. Name another card that has a flat 3% cashback on all purchases. Not rotating based on categories.
Rob Berger, you mentioned in another video that you opened the Robinhood account and got the 3%. Would you consider making a updated Robinhood 3% video?
Sorry, that won't work either (even if they allow a trust). For primary beneficiaries, you don't set the percentage... everyone gets an equal share. For example, list your spouse and 2 kids... they will get 33.33% each (no way to do 50%, 25%, 25%). Despite these short comings, specifically lack of contingent beneficiaries, I am rolling over an old 401k to them to get the match and my wife and I will be extra careful crossing intersections together the next 5 years.
Mr. Bogle didn't like "gimmicks" especially those that use current client's money (via higher expenses or expense ratios?) to bring in new customers at the expense of existing customers. "Marketing" is it for the benefit of the manager or is it for the benefit of the customer base?
For some reason it feels like you may be a better candidate for something like an M1. I believe they also do incentives for rollovers, though I don’t know exactly how they work.
Do you know if I would need a RH GOLD subscription for for my IRA and my ROTH IRA if I transfer both accounts? Or does one annual subscription cover both accounts? Thx for this informative video! Keep them coming!
Am I wrong to worry about how they plan to make the money back? My understanding is that they sell the order flow? So I would have to go look at spreads across brokers to understand what it would cost me to buy things on their platform relative to another platform?
When i read the fine print it said they would claw back the match if the funds were converted to Roth after receiving the match in a traditional ira. If true, thats a deal killer for me as i plan to use roth conversions within 5 years to avoid longer term RMDs. Has anyone done a roth conversion and did they claw back the match?
Would love for you to do a video on inherited IRA’s… the more videos I watch the more confuse I become, the IRS said you have 10 years to withdraw but do you have to take RMD’s? Especially if your parent was already taking RMD’s or can you wait until the 10th year???
You do have to take yearly RMDs since your parent already was. However, it is based on your life expectancy rather than that of your parent. If the RMD has not been taken in the year of death then you need to take it starting that year. If it has been taken then your RMD can begin the year following death.
Regarding naming your Trust as a beneficiary of an IRA other qualified accounts, I though that distributions from an IRA to a Trust could be subject to very high tax rates under Secure 2.0 Act as opposed to naming spouse or another person as beneficiary or contingent beneficiary. Any thoughts on this?
Hi Rob, I became a Robinhood Gold member recently, just to take advantage of the 3% IRA match. I'm currently w Schwab SWVXX. if I transfer that into robin hood, will that get me the3% on the total? thanks for all the info - you're great!
Can you share what your lawyer says? I’m struggling with the decision as well…I am for the most part buy and hold with a large-ish account and ready to retire…it’s the interface I’m concerned about. Fidelity is awesome, but do I really need all that? My bonus would be ~32,000…is Fidelity worth that? Rhetorical… Thanks for all you do!
Great video. I dont have traditional IRA, all i have is ROTH IRA. Is the 3% top up available on ROTH IRA ? Please confirm, I would like to use this opportunity.
Excelent video. I thought it was very fair, and informative. 1 other feature that would be nice imo, is for Robinhood to have a portal for finacial advisor or money managers for people who use those services. Given the match, it could be a great tool even for totally passive, hand-off investors, which is a huge section of the current adult population.
Ok it’s missing a contingent beneficiary but would that be resolved through a will? Anyone in their 40’s+ with kids, grandkids etc should already have a will or trust to handle your assets after death. So this should not be a deal breaker, right?
Great video. I was considering this move as well. Regarding the gold fee....if i open a brokerage, roth and traditional ira, is it 150/year or $50/year?
@@HB-yq8gy Indeed, there's always the possibility (albeit small) for hidden catches. Besides, I feel strange agreeing to so many terms and conditions these days without reading them. I do try to skim them over.
ok you must be a gold member which i believe Rob says is $50/year or thereabouts, but you must keep the account open for 5 years, prsumably as a GOLD member right? which is $50/yr, but what are the odds that Robinhood keeps that Gold membership rate pegged at $50/yr. technically they have you for five yrs so years two through five they could charge whatever they want! what am I missing?
Actually, to keep your transfer match, their site says you only need to keep the Gold membership for one year after transferring your IRA/401k in. After that, to keep getting a 3% on NEW contributions to your IRA (up to the 6k / year) you'd need to still be a Gold member. So if you buy the 1-year membership in one go, you won't get stung with an increased membership price.
Up to you. Robinhood us legit as well and if you like their products nothing wrong with sticking with em. I have several brokerages including some of the ones you mentioned. I have used Vanguard fidelity, Robinhood etc, amd Luke he said in the video they make it stupid easy to do things and have a great UI to do it. Best UI in the business. You can even buy ETF's in those other fund owned by other brokerages like VOO FTSAX etc.
once again, your videos are the best! quick question... do you have a recent video on M1 and alternative to M1. Keep up the great wise sage investment advice!! ~Svend
So if let's say that my wife who is my beneficiary and I die together in an accident, without a contingent who gets the control of my account with robinhood?
@Sanloong7 My question started with the concern that they *only* have coverage up to $500K. I was commenting to clarify that this wasn't standard, as most reputable institutions have coverage beyond this. I didn't comment on the rest because there was no need to.
Great analysis Rob. Keep up the good work. Gold membership fees $50 per year: If we contribute max $8,000, the 3% of it is $240 which is more than $50. Isn’t it a win situation? If we transfer $100,000 to RH IRA, the benefit is $3,000 per year for 5 years or more right? I mean, not only in the initial time when we do the transfer. Assuming the investment of $103,000 did good and it became $200,000 in the 2nd year. Will RH deposit 3% on total of $200,000 in the 2nd year or will it be on $197,000? Should that money transferred be CASH only or it can be STOCKs too?
It's only 3% on the transferred cash/assets. It's vested over 5 years. So they will take it back if you remember that initial amount within 5 yr. I'm not sure what happens if you take profits, and only withdraw those profits. My guess is you only need to keep that initial balance, but thanks worth looking into. As for transferring stocks, they do allow you to transfer any assets they support: stocks (including ETFs, but no OTCs), options, spreads, and cash. No fractional shares since those are handled differently at different companies.
@@kboy5189it’s a flat one time deposit of 3% of the total value you transfer from another brokerage, regardless of whether they are in cash, stocks, ETFs, or mutual funds.
Well, i opened a Roth IRA with Robinhood. I don't have thousands or even hundreds to invest at once. I'm more of 25.00 to 50.00 per paycheck. I know for a fact I won't touch any of it until it matures to the time limit i set. I've only got 167.00 invested at the moment with the dividend payout set up to automatically compound.
So you spent 10 seconds "reding T&C," missed the "You allow Robinhood to lend your shares" checkbox that is checked by default (lent shares are not protected by SIPC), but then got tripped up on contingent beneficiary? Way to miss the forest for the trees.
Then dont do a transfer and just put money in it do both just have two ira accounts one with robinhood and another with the one you already have in the meantime...
3% free money.... Keep it in for 5 yrs. Robinhood is doing a good job expanding the business so I think they'll still be around in 5 yrs. If they don't you keep your money d/t SIPC insurance.... I don't see the down side whatsoever.
@@huntercasillasU contacted Robinhood customer support and I have confirmed that IRA accounts do NOT earn interest on idle cash. So, if you generally keep some dry ammo in your IRA account, after 5 years of earning no interest, you may find that the 3% match is not such a great deal (12% cash at a 5% interest rate is the breakeven point where the 3% is eliminated by the lost interest).
@@kkesq11 Not a big deal. If you are holding a sizable amount of cash, move your cash into FLRN or SGOV. If it is just a small amount of cash or just holding cash for a short time, any interest you get is negligible anyway.
The use of the term "match" is very misleading because it is traditionally used with an employer IRA where you put in 3% and your employer matches your 3% which effectively doubles your contribution. This only literally gives you 3%! That is a 97% difference!
It isn't misleading at all. You're just making things up. You normally get no matching whatsoever on IRA's and companies tend to only give matches in 401k's which is a completely different account. It's kind of dumb to compare that when the real comparison is whether or not you would get thst amount of cash back anywhere else simply by moving money. The answer is you won't be getting that typically anywhere else and thus it is a true 3% match. This isn't about your paycheck my man. It's about transfers to IRA. You will need to do some research into what a transfer and IRA is as well as how company matches works and on what.
@@sladewagemann9778I hope not. It was a bad comment. This is a 3% match. An IRA isn't directly tied to matching a paycheck. The comparison is no match vs a match by moving money around between brokerages. That's it. All that extra hooblah is meaningless.
@robberger I would expect to receive a 1099-INT for any “match” since it is treated as interest as their CSR explained regarding the back door Roth scenario
Something doesn't smell right. I got a $ 750,000 IRA, and another for 250K, so they'll give me $30,000??? Yep, RMD's Thank you for explaining it all, hmmmm So the bonus would be taxed as you eventually drain the IRA with RMD's, not in the year they give it to you?
I got an email last week saying someone was trying to break into my Merrill Lynch account, so don't think the established players are not fighting hackers...
Great video! 39yo here. I took advantage of the 3% match for transferring over a Roth IRA from Vanguard that I will not need access to for well over 5 years. It's invested in a four-fund portfolio and I'll use the account to do Roth backdoor conversions every year with it. In my particular case, it made sense--I got a few thousand bucks for free, can keep using the account as I intend, etc. But of course, each individual will need to consider their particular scenario.
Robs point wasn't investments but estate planning. Don't be one minute late.
@@gg80108your response makes 0 sense. Try to keep up.
@@gg80108 @tmh44 was sharing their experiences, not responding directly to Rob's specific point about estate planning.
Thanks for the reply. I am in a similar situation and thinking very seriously about doing the same as you.
@tmh44.. qq.. when u do backdoor .. are you gonna convert Ira match as well ? In that case you need to pay tax on the match right? Else if you get the match in the Roth directly after the conversion then you don’t need to pay tax for the match amount ? Please let me know
You mentioned a Trust in this video. That's a topic I'd love to hear you talk about sometime. Thanks Rob.
Apparently you also cannot transfer an IRA that is currently IN a trust.
Finally SOMEONE who can actually answer questions without creating even more questions, THANK YOU sir.
You just earned yourself a subscriber sir! I appreciate your thorough research! You even answered some questions I hadn’t thought about lol. Love from NJ!
Thank you very much for this video for breaking down all the terms and conditions. I saw the ad and I have been seriously considering it. It was too good to be true at first glance.
Don't do it
@@TheMunib215
Don’t tell others what to do.
@@TheMunib215 why?
Interested in an update on contingent beneficiaries. Thanks Rob.
I moved 222k over to a Robinhood IRA and got the $6,600.
Easy money plus it’s just the best platform
What brokerage/platform did you move from?
@@drewr9580 It's definitely NOT the best platform. Thinkorswim is by far the best platform (now owned by Charles Schwab). Robinhood is used by 20 year olds to punt away their money gambling.
@@drewr9580😂
Damn easy money
Thank you very much for this! I am actually doing the gold 3% match with Robinhood. I have been slowly incrementally transferring out of Fidelity into Robinhood. All the way I’m monitoring if I have been getting the match and yes I am indeed. I’m not near the time of taking RMDs so those things you mentioned weren’t disqualifying for me. But I wanted to hear everything you had to say before finalizing the decision. Thank you again!
Great overview, Rob!
Not being able to name a trust as a beneficiary is a deal killer. Robbinhood needs to offer that!
Wow I've got almost 20% of my estate spread out between those apps, Treasury Direct and online HYSA - never thought about putting a bene on them. Won't my will would take care of all that?
@@ATHJD07Putting a beneficiary on an account lets the funds transfer to the beneficiary without going through probate. A will requires probate.
@@ATHJD07my understanding is it makes the whole inheritance process so much easier for heirs if you have the designated beneficiary (ies) named within the account itself.
@@CapCityDC Thanks but I don't know them well enough to ask for their SSNs. Going to have to do it the hard way - will and probate.
I agree. Any of us who are high net worth are going to want that. Isn't that the sort of customer they want?
I just transferred 160k and got 5k ❤
@Rob , another catch I learnt today is the cash you are holding in IRA doesn't generate any interest. 5.25% API for cash is only for brokerage account.. Moreover, in IRA they don't allow money market fund investment. Your only option is to invest in ETF.
The cash they give you in ira doesn't earn interest but can be used to invest.
Easy solution is buy SGOV ETF which is short term treasuries yielding over 5%
Why would you have cash in your IRA? Seems like a waste
You are misinformed. The ENTIRE PURPOSE of an IRA is to invest the money my guy. If you didn't want to invest then don't use investment accounts...
Second, you have the option to throw the money into the cash sweep account for the 5.0% interest. None of this is hidden. It is there plain as day. You are trying to act like they are hiding something. The crazy part is you could just invest in an ETF that tracks US treasuries for higher rates anyhow plus tax benefits if you were worried. You should probably be investing in something more aggressive though so it actually grows much more rapidly.
@@steveno7058Why wouldn't you? It's literally one of the best retirement accounts in existence in the U.S. Better than a 401k even since you have complete control.
It's like asking why you would want to retire ever?
This is truly valuable information. I truly appreciate your channel. Long time viewer.
Thanks, great info and well laid out. Just what I needed as a complete newbe.
Hi Rob. I am a young professional that recently moved to Columbus, For my first job since graduating school. Your videos have helped me get a grip on how to set myself up for success, and start saving early. The buckeyes are playing my alma mater at the shoe this fall.
Keep the videos coming.
This is amazing, I’ve got $1 million in my IRA, I’m sorely tempted to give this a try.
Only $500,000 of that is insured if Robinhood folds. SIPC insurance.
@@Cdix Well, I would be holding shares of companies in the IRA. I can't imagine a scenario in which Robin Hood went bankrupt and somehow took my ownership of MSFT and SCHD with them.
@@peterpayne2219 You never really own your shares, the brokerage holds them on your behalf in street name. Hence why there is such thing as SIPC insurance that applies to securities
@@peterpayne2219 I think you are right. He has done a video on what happens to your stock if the brokerage folds. It all should just transfer to the next brokerage.
@@peterpayne2219No wonder you got a million. You're not blindly following weirdos that just say silly stuff without looking into things. Robinhood has solid numbers and run as a legitimate brokerage just as any other decent brokerage does.
I'd personally give it a go. Giving up a guranteed 30k is not chump change.
Especially since as you know, investing even at average rates that 30k isn't even just 30k. Depending on timeline of ut being invested, that 30k is easily 60k-120k of muddled capital over the years easily.
Sounds like they're hurting for liquidity. I don't trust Robinhood will be around in five plus years. When they eventually fold I don't want to deal with the stress of recovering my investments.
That is what is stopping me, but hard to pass up on 20k of free money if I do a rollover
what stops me a lot is just inertia. i'm currently with chase and its nice i have two rewards cards (one is the amazon 5% back card), savings, checking, and now they even have a barebones investing service. So thats 5 accounts I can look at on one screen, transfer money between checking and savings instantly, etc. it's hard to overcome that ease of use.
"Sounds like they're hurting for liquidity. I don't trust Robinhood will be around in five plus years. When they eventually fold I don't want to deal with the stress of recovering my investments." @josephdickson 3/28/2024
Good points caveat emptor😳
This, they are hurting for liquidity hard, that's why they are advertising so much. These guys are scum, they were the ones halting orders during the gamestop fiasco.
Thank you Rob for doing the homework for us. We greatly appreciate it!
We hope your back feels better. I'm assuming that's why you might be standing.
Best regards from Florida!
PS, dropping $2 million into that account would be an instant $60,000 return. That's appealing.
Your only insured up to $500,000 with SIPC if Robinhood folds
@Rob Berger hey Rob, I’m a long time listener and occasionally participant in your live streams. I was going back through and rewatched this video and I love the energy from you while standing. Now, I know this may have been related to back issues, but thought I would share the feedback. I’m grateful for all you do for us. Thanks so much!
Thank you sir... I didn't read all the fineprint, but I did after watching your video. Therefore, I reversed my transfer.
Make sure to not opt into their stock lending program in your brokerage account and IRAs. It's checked on by default.
Also, check your privacy settings.
Or just don’t do business with grifters
@@newagain9964 I hear you. That's certainly a valid point of view. I think it's a question of degrees. Some people consider all equity investing to be working with grifters too. We have to all draw that line for ourselves.
Why not?
Like the comment above me asked, why not? What does that affect?
Why not?
@robberger Please do a follow-up on this after you've spoken with your estate/trust expert. I do understand my situation will be different, but it could help me decide whether to dig in further for me. Thanks Rob!
I would love a video about estate planning/ trusts
That was fantastic Rob! Thank you.
fantastic review, curious if you caught the 1% match on all brokerage deposits with no cap. that's a huge benefit in my opinion
To my knowledge, the 1% match isn't on the brokerage acct but the retirement accounts if you don't have gold.
@ericwinter4513 its upcoming for the brokerage account itself.
@@KL-ii6dt Wow!
I was ready to move $2mm over to RH until you got to the family trust contingent limitation! Great video.
You can always withdraw it in 5 years.
@@McBigFisher Sure, but you never know what will happen. If something happens to him, his family is in a pickle.
Didn't even know you had a UA-cam channel Rob. I've listened to pretty much every episode of your podcast I did not pay any attention to whose video I was clicking on but as soon as I heard that voice I knew who it was
Robinhood has a bad wrap of switching the rules once they get enough suckers?
This was such a great, informative video. The title made me nervous thinking I missed something in this deal from my research. But my understanding was correct and luckily the reason for you canceling won’t effect my decision just hope the transfer goes smoothly
Thank you the info I was just about to do the same sneaky Robinhood good thing I didn’t
I'm curious if the credit card points can be redeemed into a Roth IRA. I wonder if they will be counted towards the annual contribution limits. I know it is a gray zone with redeeming Amex points via Schwab into Roth IRAs.
@Whaspme00 what
IIRC, it only took me about 5 minutes to make an IRA at Schwab a few years ago. Then about 3 hours of waiting for whatever it is they were doing for 3 hours.
Hmm. I am very happy with Vanguard. But 3% to transfer can be a nice incentive. I have a 3 fund portfolio - VTSAX, VBTLX, VTIAX. I guess I could just get the ETF equivalents at Robinhood, and looks like $0 trade fees. I'm not set to retire for 10 years, so keeping it there for 5 shouldn't be an issue. Hmm...
I heard you can get a 4.5% match at Webull if you refer someone else at the same time
Hope u r not considering everything. These r very new brokerages when compared to Vanguard. Personally I would not trust any of them that much.
What would the ETF equivalent be?
I might have missed it, but does this offer apply to both Roth IRAs and Traditional? Or just Traditional?
Both
I'm turning 54 in a few days, so even if it takes 5 years, I can't take any money out anyways, right? I can't take anything out until 59 1/2 (without penalties).
So is this a good deal for someone in my situation?
It could be if you don’t want access to it for 5 years. Makes sense for people not in or close to retirement.
Correct. Plus, if your portfolio goes up 5 percent a year you can withdraw 5 percent without any Robin Hood clawback penalty.🎉
Rob! I love this video, it spared me a lot of time. I'm considering rolling an old Traditional 401(k) from former employer to a Roth IRA. Do you happen to know if the 3% match from Robinhood applies to opening Roth IRA, or just Traditional IRA?
Also, please let me know what you decide to do upon discussing with your estate planning attorney.
I think it applies to either IRA type.
Rob, an unrelated question: When using the Guyton and Klinger "guardrails" method, how does one calculate the amount that the equities portion of the portfolio has gone up each year (so knowing how much to move to cash)? We have *many* separate index funds, plus some are blended...so it's not at all easy to figure out how much growth happened during a year. Is there an app that will total by asset class (like Empower) AND you can look back historically to check the value of all stocks on your given snapshot date? Or are you just doing it "by hand"?
It's super useful to know that the bonus you earn on the backdoor Roth will be taxed (on the conversion). I think the 3% match on conversion to Robinhood is worth it, but for trying to backdoor it with gold, I'm not sure if that's worth the hassle.
It seems to me that because Robinhood is so popular among young people, who have way less wealth and beneficieries to transfer money to, they just didn't prioritize those features all that strongly. I'm a 26 barely getting started, so that happens not to be a very big deal for me, so this video was very helpful.
What of the reverse of the scenario you presented: you transfer, the market goes up. You take money out. The market goes down so you're below your original transfer. Do you have to pay it back then?
I did this last year when my employer sold business and I had to move my 401k so I moved RH IRA, got my 3%, not worry about moving it or min distribution. I also can trade in the IRA👍
Interesting (no pun intended) that they're able to call the match "interest". I wonder if some brokerage could set up something like this to get around contributions limits. E.g. I join the "super platinum tier" of my brokerage for $10,000 a year, and in exchange, I get a $10,000 "interest" payment in my account.
Was thinking the same thing!
When Fidelity had the $100 bonus for opening an account it was not counted toward the IRS limit. So I effectively had $6600 last year in my Roth IRA
No, you can’t set up some “interest transfer” deposit method. That would be akin to money laundering.
The match is separate from your personal contribution, treated as interest, not against your contribution limit.
Rolling over other accounts will not count against your contribution limits either. Neither the 1% basic, nor the 3% RH Gold match, will count against.
I don’t think you can pay $10
It is standard. Cash bonus are classified as interest at other brokers as well
3% cashback on all purchases? Thats crazy.
Not at all 😅
@@Playingwithproxies anything above 2% flat cashback gets into unsustainable territory. Name another card that has a flat 3% cashback on all purchases. Not rotating based on categories.
Rob Berger, you mentioned in another video that you opened the Robinhood account and got the 3%. Would you consider making a updated Robinhood 3% video?
Just add the living trust as a beneficiary at .01% and your spouse at 99.99%. If both of you go at the same times. The trust getting 100%
That works only IF THEY ALLOW TRUST AS BENEFICARY, maybe re-watch the video?
Sorry, that won't work either (even if they allow a trust). For primary beneficiaries, you don't set the percentage... everyone gets an equal share. For example, list your spouse and 2 kids... they will get 33.33% each (no way to do 50%, 25%, 25%). Despite these short comings, specifically lack of contingent beneficiaries, I am rolling over an old 401k to them to get the match and my wife and I will be extra careful crossing intersections together the next 5 years.
In fairness I asked this question weeks ago in a live webcast. Glad to see a fuller response here, thanks!
Wonder if they can raise price of gold level during the 5 year period.
You only need to stay in the gold plan for one year after you receive the bonus.
Actually, I would be surprised if they don't raise it after a year of luring people in.
How could Robinhood afford to give 3% especially on huge ira's? They aren't that big.
Mr. Bogle didn't like "gimmicks" especially those that use current client's money (via higher expenses or expense ratios?) to bring in new customers at the expense of existing customers. "Marketing" is it for the benefit of the manager or is it for the benefit of the customer base?
I procrastinated watching this video and now I'm sad because I missed the transfer deadline.
For some reason it feels like you may be a better candidate for something like an M1. I believe they also do incentives for rollovers, though I don’t know exactly how they work.
But M1 bonus is a lot smaller. $100K gets $250, not $3000
Do you know if I would need a RH GOLD subscription for for my IRA and my ROTH IRA if I transfer both accounts? Or does one annual subscription cover both accounts? Thx for this informative video! Keep them coming!
The Robinhood Gold is on your overall Robinhood user account. Each Roth IRA/brokerage account is part of the overall Robinhood ussr account.
Sofi gives a 2% Match. I don’t know if they are still offering that.
Great research Rob!
Am I wrong to worry about how they plan to make the money back? My understanding is that they sell the order flow? So I would have to go look at spreads across brokers to understand what it would cost me to buy things on their platform relative to another platform?
Seems like a Contingent Beneficiary is something that they would eventually add, so I'm not sure that's a deal breaker.
When i read the fine print it said they would claw back the match if the funds were converted to Roth after receiving the match in a traditional ira. If true, thats a deal killer for me as i plan to use roth conversions within 5 years to avoid longer term RMDs. Has anyone done a roth conversion and did they claw back the match?
Where does Robinhood keep the money and are you in any way vulnerable to a company failure?
You are covered by SIPC insurance $500,000 per account at any brokerage, including Robinhood, covered by the SIPC.
Would love for you to do a video on inherited IRA’s… the more videos I watch the more confuse I become, the IRS said you have 10 years to withdraw but do you have to take RMD’s? Especially if your parent was already taking RMD’s or can you wait until the 10th year???
You do have to take yearly RMDs since your parent already was. However, it is based on your life expectancy rather than that of your parent. If the RMD has not been taken in the year of death then you need to take it starting that year. If it has been taken then your RMD can begin the year following death.
Regarding naming your Trust as a beneficiary of an IRA other qualified accounts, I though that distributions from an IRA to a Trust could be subject to very high tax rates under Secure 2.0 Act as opposed to naming spouse or another person as beneficiary or contingent beneficiary. Any thoughts on this?
Does the 3% match apply for beyond the 2023 IRA cycle? Or is the match only for the first contribution year?
Does Merrill Lynch charge you on the backend for transferring your IRA?
Do you pay taxes (1099-INT) on the 3% transfer match? The contribution match?
Also, does Robinhood allow automatic dividend reinvestments? (DRIP)
It's in an IRA, wouldn't be subject to tax
Hi Rob, I became a Robinhood Gold member recently, just to take advantage of the 3% IRA match. I'm currently w Schwab SWVXX. if I transfer that into robin hood, will that get me the3% on the total? thanks for all the info - you're great!
Yes it will. I did it already
Can you share what your lawyer says? I’m struggling with the decision as well…I am for the most part buy and hold with a large-ish account and ready to retire…it’s the interface I’m concerned about. Fidelity is awesome, but do I really need all that? My bonus would be ~32,000…is Fidelity worth that? Rhetorical…
Thanks for all you do!
Great video. I dont have traditional IRA, all i have is ROTH IRA. Is the 3% top up available on ROTH IRA ? Please confirm, I would like to use this opportunity.
It should, however the 3% might count towards your contribution limits or be forced to be a normal IRA for tax reasons. Depends how they are doing it.
Excelent video. I thought it was very fair, and informative. 1 other feature that would be nice imo, is for Robinhood to have a portal for finacial advisor or money managers for people who use those services. Given the match, it could be a great tool even for totally passive, hand-off investors, which is a huge section of the current adult population.
So after 5 years, you're "invested" and not penalized?
Ok it’s missing a contingent beneficiary but would that be resolved through a will? Anyone in their 40’s+ with kids, grandkids etc should already have a will or trust to handle your assets after death. So this should not be a deal breaker, right?
Great video. I was considering this move as well. Regarding the gold fee....if i open a brokerage, roth and traditional ira, is it 150/year or $50/year?
I have all three, and I'm only charged $5/month.
60 a year for everything
11:31 But did you read those Terms and Conditions?
Yeah, I read that some of terms and conditions it says they can change the points rules anytime without notice! That right there is a red flag to me😳
@@HB-yq8gy Indeed, there's always the possibility (albeit small) for hidden catches. Besides, I feel strange agreeing to so many terms and conditions these days without reading them. I do try to skim them over.
Any comments on M1’s recent changes?
Stand up Rob! Hope you’re back is getting better.
Slow, but getting a bit better each day!
@@rob_bergerYeesh, I got sciatica this month after my back went out. Must be something in the air!
Hey Rob, have u started any type of P.T. exercises? Just wondering because I have recently injured my back as well....
ok you must be a gold member which i believe Rob says is $50/year or thereabouts, but you must keep the account open for 5 years, prsumably as a GOLD member right? which is $50/yr, but what are the odds that Robinhood keeps that Gold membership rate pegged at $50/yr. technically they have you for five yrs so years two through five they could charge whatever they want! what am I missing?
Actually, to keep your transfer match, their site says you only need to keep the Gold membership for one year after transferring your IRA/401k in. After that, to keep getting a 3% on NEW contributions to your IRA (up to the 6k / year) you'd need to still be a Gold member. So if you buy the 1-year membership in one go, you won't get stung with an increased membership price.
@@circusfreakRob thanks for clarifying...this is sounding like a good opportunity
So you’ll pay 50/year for 5 years or $250
Any updates? Only about a week left on the 3% deal
Great vid. Very informative. I'm gonna stick with Vanguard.
would it be worth it to start in robinhood gold with the 3% match and then switch 10-15 years later to fidelity Schwab or vanguard?
Up to you. Robinhood us legit as well and if you like their products nothing wrong with sticking with em. I have several brokerages including some of the ones you mentioned. I have used Vanguard fidelity, Robinhood etc, amd Luke he said in the video they make it stupid easy to do things and have a great UI to do it.
Best UI in the business. You can even buy ETF's in those other fund owned by other brokerages like VOO FTSAX etc.
once again, your videos are the best! quick question... do you have a recent video on M1 and alternative to M1. Keep up the great wise sage investment advice!! ~Svend
So if let's say that my wife who is my beneficiary and I die together in an accident, without a contingent who gets the control of my account with robinhood?
They advertise SIPC coverage only up to $500K. Is it possible to only roll a portion of an existing IRA over to stay under the coverage limit?
Yes. That’s pretty standard at all brokerages. It does NOT have to be all or nothing
Not exactly. Fidelity, for example, has additional "excess of SIPC insurance" that covers investments up to $1B.
@danh2716 Do u even remember what was ur question? Lolz He's answering ur question that all brokerages allow partial transfer.
@Sanloong7 My question started with the concern that they *only* have coverage up to $500K. I was commenting to clarify that this wasn't standard, as most reputable institutions have coverage beyond this.
I didn't comment on the rest because there was no need to.
Is this 3% a one time deal, or is the 3% match like a 3% APY where you earn 3% interest?
@Rob You standing had me take a second look. Did you update your desk?
Great analysis Rob. Keep up the good work.
Gold membership fees $50 per year: If we contribute max $8,000, the 3% of it is $240 which is more than $50. Isn’t it a win situation?
If we transfer $100,000 to RH IRA, the benefit is $3,000 per year for 5 years or more right? I mean, not only in the initial time when we do the transfer. Assuming the investment of $103,000 did good and it became $200,000 in the 2nd year. Will RH deposit 3% on total of $200,000 in the 2nd year or will it be on $197,000?
Should that money transferred be CASH only or it can be STOCKs too?
It's only 3% on the transferred cash/assets. It's vested over 5 years. So they will take it back if you remember that initial amount within 5 yr. I'm not sure what happens if you take profits, and only withdraw those profits. My guess is you only need to keep that initial balance, but thanks worth looking into.
As for transferring stocks, they do allow you to transfer any assets they support: stocks (including ETFs, but no OTCs), options, spreads, and cash. No fractional shares since those are handled differently at different companies.
@@Mathhead2000 oh...so it's 3% on cash transferred but not on the total value of portfolio transferred? Interesting.
@@kboy5189 I think they count both cash and securities (like stocks and ETFs), but I'd double check to make sure.
@@kboy5189it’s a flat one time deposit of 3% of the total value you transfer from another brokerage, regardless of whether they are in cash, stocks, ETFs, or mutual funds.
Great video Rob. I wish you had mentioned whether the match applies to 401k rollovers or not. I will dig myself.
I believe it does but only for a limited time.
Yes, until 30th April.
I didn’t think a Trust could hold an IRA, so why try to list a Trust as a beneficiary?
A trust can hold an inherited IRA.
Well, i opened a Roth IRA with Robinhood. I don't have thousands or even hundreds to invest at once. I'm more of 25.00 to 50.00 per paycheck. I know for a fact I won't touch any of it until it matures to the time limit i set. I've only got 167.00 invested at the moment with the dividend payout set up to automatically compound.
Nobody is answering this. Will robinhood do 3% on transfer amount and 3% on the contribution amount for the year with the gold membership?
So you spent 10 seconds "reding T&C," missed the "You allow Robinhood to lend your shares" checkbox that is checked by default (lent shares are not protected by SIPC), but then got tripped up on contingent beneficiary? Way to miss the forest for the trees.
I would like to hear more on this. If that is true, that is alarming if you cannot unselect that option before moving forward.
@@InvestWithFFI You can unselect it.
Then dont do a transfer and just put money in it do both just have two ira accounts one with robinhood and another with the one you already have in the meantime...
3% free money.... Keep it in for 5 yrs. Robinhood is doing a good job expanding the business so I think they'll still be around in 5 yrs. If they don't you keep your money d/t SIPC insurance.... I don't see the down side whatsoever.
Brokerage is insured to 500k SIPC. Schwab is insured to 100 million through a third party. No reason to keep your eye on them.
@@gg80108you made things way over complicated. The IRA is insured via SIPC for $500k
How much interest does Robinhood pay on idle cash in an IRA?
5% for Robinhood gold members
@@huntercasillasU contacted Robinhood customer support and I have confirmed that IRA accounts do NOT earn interest on idle cash.
So, if you generally keep some dry ammo in your IRA account, after 5 years of earning no interest, you may find that the 3% match is not such a great deal (12% cash at a 5% interest rate is the breakeven point where the 3% is eliminated by the lost interest).
I contacted Robinhood customer support and the rep confirmed that IRA accounts (unlike brokerage accounts) do not pay interest on cash balances.
@@kkesq11 Not a big deal. If you are holding a sizable amount of cash, move your cash into FLRN or SGOV. If it is just a small amount of cash or just holding cash for a short time, any interest you get is negligible anyway.
0, the 5% interest only for brokerage account. I learnt the hard way.
If you can name up to 10 beneficiaries, why do you need a contingent?
Because you may not want it split up.
The use of the term "match" is very misleading because it is traditionally used with an employer IRA where you put in 3% and your employer matches your 3% which effectively doubles your contribution. This only literally gives you 3%! That is a 97% difference!
This comment changed perspectively everything for me as if I don't overthink enough lol
It isn't misleading at all. You're just making things up. You normally get no matching whatsoever on IRA's and companies tend to only give matches in 401k's which is a completely different account. It's kind of dumb to compare that when the real comparison is whether or not you would get thst amount of cash back anywhere else simply by moving money.
The answer is you won't be getting that typically anywhere else and thus it is a true 3% match. This isn't about your paycheck my man. It's about transfers to IRA. You will need to do some research into what a transfer and IRA is as well as how company matches works and on what.
@@sladewagemann9778I hope not. It was a bad comment. This is a 3% match. An IRA isn't directly tied to matching a paycheck. The comparison is no match vs a match by moving money around between brokerages. That's it. All that extra hooblah is meaningless.
@robberger I would expect to receive a 1099-INT for any “match” since it is treated as interest as their CSR explained regarding the back door Roth scenario
Interest on IRA is not taxable
No you won’t. Just like you don’t receive a 1099-DIV for dividends you receive in your IRA
No, you'd receive a 1099-R for the conversion.
i use robinhood and i just keep it there❤❤, as far as feedbacks they do listen to their customers
Is it a Traditional or Roth IRA?
Something doesn't smell right. I got a $ 750,000 IRA, and another for 250K, so they'll give me $30,000??? Yep, RMD's
Thank you for explaining it all, hmmmm So the bonus would be taxed as you eventually drain the IRA with RMD's, not in the year they give it to you?
I wouldn’t transfer anything over what you are insured for so $500k
Webull has a similar but much better program 4.5% match for 5 years lockup.
Is Robinhood a safe place to invest money?
How's robinhood security with website and hacking?
I got an email last week saying someone was trying to break into my Merrill Lynch account, so don't think the established players are not fighting hackers...