INTJ's function in a friend group

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  • @justcallmejon22
    @justcallmejon22  Місяць тому +28

    I didn't realize that I had my camera setting on Non-HD so I hope you guys enjoy this low definition video that i refuse to remake because I hate recording 😘

    • @BakaSama24
      @BakaSama24 Місяць тому +2

      It's alright. The content quality supersedes all ♡
      I recently made an intj friend and I'm sooo gonna learn abt her. She's just so interesting and we just click!

    • @bekkifromwisconsin
      @bekkifromwisconsin Місяць тому +2

      Looks fine to me. Jon in Low Def still has High Def content. 😊

  • @Shiraori999
    @Shiraori999 Місяць тому +18

    "A wizard is never late, nor is he early, he arrives precisely when he means to." That's how I feel about it. If there was no point in being friends with them, I wouldn't be in the first place.

  • @MNkno
    @MNkno Місяць тому +12

    You nailed it. Adolesence was terrible, I was the one who was "a wet blanket" and "killed all the fun" (but nobody died from what I stopped them from doing..) It gets better after 50, when people start thinking maybe I'm seeing something they should pay attention to. It's not easy, but I'm not here to do "easy". Thank you!!

    • @bekkifromwisconsin
      @bekkifromwisconsin Місяць тому

      Lol been called the Fun Police too? Ya. Been there.

    • @sandotter881
      @sandotter881 Місяць тому

      honestly, I don't understand how people would take THAT long to figure out these things that are so obvious. Well, I suppose that's the cost of being too good at seeing the patterns. It makes you a weirdo at times.

    • @LaMach420
      @LaMach420 27 днів тому

      You saying I gotta relive my entire lifetime again just to reach the point where it gets better? 😑

  • @trauma2happiness
    @trauma2happiness Місяць тому +8

    I completely agree with you. Groups need to be dynamic and everyone has special places in the group. With my INTJ friends, some add value with their talents, some add value with their intelligent conversations.

  • @madlynlithasya
    @madlynlithasya Місяць тому +13

    i had always wondered too, but never actually asked my friends about it.
    sometimes when they look for me or ask for my help or advice regarding things, i feel taken aback. not because i feel special, but just that i can finally see what my purpose is in the relationship.
    now i just realized that ive never been fully attached in a friendship situation because of this. only when they actually expresses that they need me to do something for them as a friend, thats when i can attach myself a little more.
    i do also think that this might stems from not having childhood friends because i moved around so much when i was young, so i didn’t have a lot of real connections with people

    • @MaliMaslacak526
      @MaliMaslacak526 Місяць тому

      You know what, I'm not so sure you'd feel attached even if you had friends as a kid - you're just not that attachable I guess, more like a free agent UNLESS you meet someone you can reaaally talk to. My INTJ husband (of 10 years) had friendships as a kid, adolescent, young man, etc, yet he wasn't super attached. The reason being is - how can you attach to someone when you are not completely seen for who you are?
      Mind you, you're not the only one feeling like this. I as an ENFP (e4w5) am actually like this too, in a way. I just come across differently but if you don't want to be bare with me and can't see my soul - what's the point in all of this?
      I also suspect that you, my dear INTJ, are enneagram 5 so you would really like if people would ask you about your latest "obsesssion", your interests, your take on a certain conspiracy theory and also for your help as you state it yourself. You'd bond if they'd ask about your opinions because you dwell in Thinker Land. See, I do this naturally so I guess this is one of the reasons my INTJ is so devoted to our relationship.
      The bottom line is this: it's not you. It's not your past. It's just that you need more intuitives in your life to sit around, speculate, do nothing and have a blast. 😅
      And you are not the only one in this, it's not exclusively the "INTJ" thing.

    • @madlynlithasya
      @madlynlithasya Місяць тому +1

      @ that’s interesting.
      i know that for me every time someone put a “friend” label on me, i always had to look back to what i did to them for them to see me as a friend. i could never just call someone a friend. can you relate to that too?
      also yes, i’ve only had 1 person who would actually listen to my rant about things i like and i think he’s an ENTP.
      I do tend to not talk as much when i’m around my college roommates that are ESFJ and INFP, cause i know they won’t understand what i’m interested in most of the time. INFP friend will try to listen, but i know she doesn’t care, so i just never try anymore

  • @TheSkootShow
    @TheSkootShow 5 днів тому

    I find it funny that you have the personality types of each friend not only rendered, but memorized

  • @5moreminutes117
    @5moreminutes117 Місяць тому +1

    11:30 Well that actually was so accurate. I don’t need people to praise me for what I’m doing. I’m glad I can help even when I’m not recognized Doing it. But questioning if I’m loyal is like ignoring all my lifetime I spent on helping you out T-T

  • @sarahhhbae
    @sarahhhbae 26 днів тому +1

    your channel means so much to me

  • @jocelynleung7480
    @jocelynleung7480 24 дні тому

    My husband very much plays the role you describe (to me).
    "You be yourself, be loyal to your innermost truth. I am here to support you and bail you out no matter what happens."

    • @justcallmejon22
      @justcallmejon22  12 днів тому +1

      He sounds like a great guy 😃

    • @jocelynleung7480
      @jocelynleung7480 11 днів тому

      @@justcallmejon22 Being true to oneself is hard. INTJs make the journey less lonely with the strength of their moral core and superior Te.

  • @SadiaZaman-nu3sg
    @SadiaZaman-nu3sg Місяць тому +1

    This is my favorite video of yours. I don't know for sure if I am an INTJ, and like you have said, it's so important people understand there is more to a person than their personality types or characteristics that come more naturally to them, growth is all, all sane people should seek. I have felt alienated from tagging myself as an INTJ because they are portrayed as cold/selfish/and weak in ethics or compassion for others, when honestly, as logical as I am, my foundation of Being, stems from my devotion to my ethics or self-constructed sense of morality. I can not overlook it, or jump on the bandwagon of half-heartedly caring about mass genocide or other forms of human atrocities. My need to be better stems from the shitstorm humanity keeps throwing itself into, again and again.

  • @TheIT221
    @TheIT221 Місяць тому +6

    I didn’t finish this video yet so if this is countered somehow my bad
    When you ask around 5:30 if you are merely just an extra, I would oppose that. I mean, there is a chance since I don’t know you, but nevertheless I heard a great description of an INTJ
    Where basically we are sort of like the people who help work on the shared project, but remains a bit distant from the entire group project itself
    So in a way, we may not feel as close or may feel disconnected, but it’s not because we have no specific place. It’s because our specific place *is* to not have a specific place
    We may not hang out with everyone or chat with everyone a lot or even fit into a specific dynamic in every case, but we insure that everyone gets along and try our best to keep everyone out of trouble and such
    So in the end, maybe you don’t need any specific place, and you just try and help where you can and in healthy friendships they give that back
    I could just be wrong though so idk

    • @dankr7009
      @dankr7009 Місяць тому

      He mentioned that people don't have a specific place, that you could fit in many places

  • @lynnh1682
    @lynnh1682 Місяць тому +4

    People are put in our path in order to help us grow and get stronger in some way sometimes when theyre done they leave and sometimes they stay. Iron sharpens iron a friend sharpens the countenance of a friend.

  • @siennalaci
    @siennalaci Місяць тому +3

    As far as archetypes go, I've always seen INTJ as overseer. In a group scenario, INTJs set the goal posts, and complete checks along the way, others 'do the work'.
    I've always seen INTJ and INFJ working closely together, as one of our weaknesses is the others strength. INTJ sort the system and process, INFJ help make it people friendly, and mediate along the way. We also need our SE doms, so we can push them to the spotlight, while we hide in the shadows 😂

  • @epyon02alpha42
    @epyon02alpha42 Місяць тому +1

    Awesome video bro. Like you, I also strongly relate to Batman for all the reasons you provided in the video. 😁
    I also very much relate to that feeling of things cutting deep when my character gets questioned by people I care about. Like you said, if we're calling out problems, it's not because we want to be the 'downer' of the group. It's because we're seeing something developing on the horizon that it feels like NO ONE ELSE is even recognizing as a potential possibility. I know I've had discussions with friends who may have been having a 'toxic positivity' moment, and I had to be that one to say you really should consider if this doesn't work out for x and y reasons, only to be responded to with something along the lines of, 'whose side are you on anyway?' And much like Batman, sometimes you just take it on the chin, and get to work trying to cover for those that can't (or refuse to) see the issues you see. Because as much as it might feel like the time to clap back, mama-Te is there to redirect that energy to more productive means.😄

  • @yipsue3168
    @yipsue3168 27 днів тому

    INTJs is lovely, honest and helpful to their friends. As an INFP, if my friend ask me why we are friend, I would say because I like you and you are lovely and would ask back shall we be friend for a lifetime

  • @coolbreez
    @coolbreez Місяць тому

    Nailed it! Everything you mentioned, I have experienced it. Going against group thinking, calling out vocal stupidity, help a friend with unforeseen issues, difficulties in explaining everything although we feel strongly about it etc.

  • @bekkifromwisconsin
    @bekkifromwisconsin Місяць тому +1

    100% agree with you Jon.

  • @WalkingWithGod888
    @WalkingWithGod888 Місяць тому +1

    5:15 I too am an INTJ and truly believe that because of our analytical perspective and absence! (Whether we are aware of it or not) People tend to place a high value on our opinions.( Even though the opposite isn't true) That being said, have you ever heard of the Lorenz Attractor? I believe that both our advice and sometimes manipulation, completely changes the course of the people around us. In way that is calculated by us, but not necessarily managed by us. ( I do believe everyone has an effect on everyone they come in contact with to some degree) However when discussing friend groups, these people are within the proximity to have whatever we want to share with them, basically downloaded into their minds. Unlike those we meet in passing. Just my opinion of course.

  • @medots6194
    @medots6194 Місяць тому

    This is something I've been pondering about for some time now. But indeed, in our different groups and relationships we are shaped to perform many roles depending on how we are and what is needed. How humans meet and get along is something quite mystical and beautiful... Which is why I now firmly believe that parts of our personalities are locked behind our capacity to meet new people and form new bonds to unlock all of our different parts and roles :)

    • @justcallmejon22
      @justcallmejon22  Місяць тому +1

      Meeting new people is the most difficult part of it all 🙃

    • @medots6194
      @medots6194 Місяць тому

      @justcallmejon22 Haha, Indeed ^^; It can get quite draining even in spite of Auxillary Fe, let alone Trickster Fe :'D Best wishes for us all on our journeys of growth ☘️

  • @kimtopology4257
    @kimtopology4257 24 дні тому

    We are all multifaceted not one sided we all fill a need for people and vice versa . We are all interconnected in the grand scheme of things .

  • @Lanayamamoto
    @Lanayamamoto 25 днів тому

    “Am I even necessary?” 🥲

  • @dankr7009
    @dankr7009 Місяць тому

    As an infj, i feel like i relate a lot of what was said. Although i have auxillary Fe and i consider myself to be very emotional, i also believe i balance logic with feelings. I think regarding the question inquired here, i believe im a person to bring balance to a group dynamic. One of my underlying philosophies is that i never believe in extremities, because i think there should be a clear balance for anything, too much or too little something is bad. I consider myself the sage or balancer in such groups because i think i can also be empathetic with people and understand their emotions, but i also try to reason with my friends so they arent "vocally ignorant" and make sure they do not believe in extreme ideas.

  • @leedlbagginshield8492
    @leedlbagginshield8492 25 днів тому +1

    Hey Jon!
    I have a question regarding dating INTJs - Especially when it comes to them handling communication in terms of emotional needs. I (INFP) have dated one for a while. He was quite emotionally reserved, rational and calm. He was also often busy. I often asked for dates and he would make time to plan them. We both enjoyed those time a lot . I also gave him a lot of space for himself so he could concentrate on his work.
    When we broke up, he told me that he thought that we haven’t met enough. He always made the impression to me of needing space and he was also not the most active in terms of persuasion. I had to travel abroad for work for a few months and I told him that I wanted to continue staying in contact with him. I had no problem with the distance but for him it was.
    I thought INFPs were difficult to date but INTJs are a whole new level of difficulty. 😄 I wonder If he was just an avoidant. He told me he liked me a lot and he also made time for me, though. I was super confused.
    Do INTJs tend to be avoidants when it comes to relationships?

    • @justcallmejon22
      @justcallmejon22  25 днів тому +2

      I'm sorry to hear about your experience. INTJs aren't avoidant persay, relationships just usually isn't our priority. I made a video about dating that should answer the rest of your questions. I hope things work out for you ✊

  • @shycoconut.sings_
    @shycoconut.sings_ 21 день тому

    As an INFJ, I’ve always related to INTJ’s. I’ve even questioned whether or not I was the latter, but like you mentioned, MBTI/Typology is a beneficial tool to be within reason; a piece of the puzzle that will ultimately answer the big question. Who am I? 💯

    • @justcallmejon22
      @justcallmejon22  12 днів тому +1

      Exactly! People assume I'm an extrovert when they first meet me and my intial thoughts are always that I'm doing well in this game of self-mastery 😅

    • @shycoconut.sings_
      @shycoconut.sings_ 11 днів тому

      @@justcallmejon22 Update, Recently retook that MBTI assessment and got INTJ?? From then onwards, it’s been rabbit holes of research and taking a series of cognitive function assessments; even took the socionomics one and all the results show the same pattern; I’ve been using more Te and Fi compared to Ti and Fe; To your point from a separate video, Maybe I was ignoring Fi because of that common misconception that it’s “selfish and uncaring” when in fact I just value have strong morals and displaying integrity even when it might rub some the wrong way. Nonetheless at the end of the day, I just need to make sure I’m growing in some aspect of my character to move forward and Typology is just another wrench in my toolbox. Real Talk…

  • @creepydani8
    @creepydani8 Місяць тому

    I would love to have the "Why are we friends" discussion with my INTJ friend but he would probably misinterpret the question lol. It's definitely a strange friendship and it requires a good amount of effort but we're each others' company on the more existential level. We lead very different lives and we really shouldn't get along, but at the end of the day, we connect on the deeper topics that most people recoil at. My other friends know when I'm having trouble in some area of my life but my INTJ friend witnesses me grapple with it in real time. I'm not entirely sure why he's friends with me though. I get the feeling that he also craves being seen but won't admit it. I think I'm also his sounding board probably.

  • @sandotter881
    @sandotter881 Місяць тому

    I would love to ask John to stop reading my mind and make a YT video about it 😂😂

  • @xxx7hedkxxx423
    @xxx7hedkxxx423 Місяць тому

    So, i'll try not to take that long to describe it. Also thanks for doing vids, especially on "cognitives", really helped me to "understand" myself more. First of all, i guess, I am an INTJ(well, according to the test it is) and the thing is, i just wanted to ask, maybe, you know or you've been through it yourself: How did you deal with(if you did of course) "I have that much power and understanding of how things works, that i can literally do anything I want". I got this feeling like first time, when i literally saw the image in my head how it will look like(about my future) and i just sort of planned things out in a couple of minutes. But then i thought to myself "But what if this power will drain me and I'll be the ones, whose under command". I mean, not like i need help, rather advice or reflection of your side
    P.S. while writing it I came up with multiple scenarios of how would you answer to that

  • @junevo7104
    @junevo7104 Місяць тому

    all 4 of my intj friend's has "... Batman " as my contact names AHHA

  • @t-man5196
    @t-man5196 Місяць тому

    Well I mean to be fair the ISFJ and INTJ dynamic is one of superego which is one of the strongest indicators of friendship

  • @caravue7033
    @caravue7033 17 днів тому

    Jon, do you ever think that the way we look also influences our personality? I can look at some people and get a gist of what a person is like.
    Also, I am friends with people because of the way they think. I like certain people because of the way they think or view life.

    • @justcallmejon22
      @justcallmejon22  11 днів тому

      Oh yeah for sure. There's so much when it comes to social dynamic and I'm almost positive that our appearance plays a huge role.

  • @Kimbo-95
    @Kimbo-95 Місяць тому +1

    The INTJ I know tries to be a leader but fails massively because they're Fe blind

  • @ChristieNel
    @ChristieNel Місяць тому

    I don't know if the question makes sense. This INTJ functions almost always one-on-one with friends and all my closest friends happen to be INFJ. If I'm in a group, it's usually a work group, family or an interest group.

  • @_Thunderball_
    @_Thunderball_ 3 дні тому

    I dont think typology has much to do with interpersonal relationships. As you said, people in groups have roles. Sometimes those roles are quite essential to the point where you might not even have any communication with that person if not for his role in group or your life.
    I personally dont really have much preference in types of my acqaintainces. I dont have any friends because I dont want to let anyone get that close but overall I dont mind just about any type, except for high Fe users. Thanks, but no thanks guys.

  • @Pinkywinkykinky
    @Pinkywinkykinky Місяць тому +2

    PREACHH hit the nail on the head of why Palestine needs to be freed 🙏

  • @housecarolina
    @housecarolina 22 дні тому

    How do you feel about outgrowing friends or do you ever feel like as an intj you are more of a friend to your friends than they are a friend to you?

    • @justcallmejon22
      @justcallmejon22  21 день тому +1

      I think it's normal to feel like you've outgrown people but I also believe in loyalty. I feel like everyone gives something different in a friendship and that it's okay to leave if it doesn't bring joy anymore.

    • @housecarolina
      @housecarolina 21 день тому

      @@justcallmejon22 same I'm big on loyalty that's why I think I hold onto situations longer than I should sometimes it kinda sucks feeling this way but it's ok

  • @Imuplayz
    @Imuplayz Місяць тому +1

    Random question but who do u think is best match for an ENFJ is it INTP or INTJ or if not these u can give other options too

    • @justcallmejon22
      @justcallmejon22  Місяць тому +1

      I don't think it matters unless your values align. A friendship/relationship won't flourish if values are different.

    • @Imuplayz
      @Imuplayz Місяць тому +1

      Ok

  • @dimenzio
    @dimenzio Місяць тому

    I thought with "function" in the title you meant cognitive function lol. I think the word "place" is more understandable.

  • @Tomarika
    @Tomarika 23 дні тому

    Do you type people?

    • @justcallmejon22
      @justcallmejon22  12 днів тому

      I usually don't but I can refer you to someone if you'd like? I believe anyone can type themselves as long as you're honest with your answers but I'm also aware how it can lead to being mistyped as well 😅

  • @naufalnoorizan1763
    @naufalnoorizan1763 Місяць тому

    Yall dont think youre more Fi with friends? Cause thats what i do as an intj, i dont really think much cause i know im spending my time efficiently just doing nothing but having fun in the moment with friends

  • @MaliMaslacak526
    @MaliMaslacak526 Місяць тому

    Dear Jon - maybe our geographical locations determine people's willingness to surround themselves with someone who is a bit different from them, as well. You come from historically very open minded country. You also as a culture that is very open have a different style of communication.
    For instance, the other day I saw a video of an American homeschooling dad giving fiery talk in front of a school board. They actually listened to him and let him speak. I'm appalled! Where I come from, if people don't see things as you do, they start shouting and interrupt you so much that you can never say anything. Let's say it's a different crowd.
    Also upbringing shapes us. Maybe you can have so many different people in your life because you grew up in a large family so you had an opportunity some other Intuitive didn't have - you intuitively learned Sensors and this is something you've been doing your whole life. You have a Sensor mom and actually get along with her, if I am correct. That is a literal game changer.

  • @omarkul5320
    @omarkul5320 22 дні тому

    NGL your videos are too long for me

  • @what-is-handle-bish
    @what-is-handle-bish Місяць тому

    Although I've got no friends but thanks.
    I'll watch it.

    • @justcallmejon22
      @justcallmejon22  26 днів тому +1

      It's always nice to prep for when it happens 🙂

  • @darthlaurel
    @darthlaurel Місяць тому +2

    I remember reading an essay by Peter Saint-Andre (1997) The Art of Friendship.
    The mystery of why some people get along and others don't is impossible to understand fully. Why do I get along with person X and person Y but X and Y really dislike one another? It's a weird anomalous thing. The essay is worth a read.