I will be driving through the mountains when this airs… We managed to get this recorded at the last minute 😅 Thanks again to Bob! Apologies for being under the weather still and a bit exhausted at the time🙏
Carmen, you're a saint! On behalf of everyone who doesn't yet realize how monumentous this could be for developing free energy, I really want to thank you!
There are vaguely similar motors in the photo from Tesla's table at the 1893 Columbian Exposition. Apparently all those prototypes but one (the disk-motor labeled "C,") were lost in the 1895 NYC laboratory fire. I wonder how your motor escaped the fire? Maybe it's actually post-1895, and a duplicate of the burned-up original? In the high-resolution Columbian Exposition photo, look closely, directly between the two "Egg of Columbus" devices. On the table, laying on its side, is one of these early Gramme-Ring type of AC motors. It appears to have large sturdy bearings, but the rotor is hidden. Hrm, if either one of the "Columbus" coils was turned on, then with that motor in that position, the rotor would start spinning via wireless power. That would explain its position on the table. Similarly, that black-white sector-disk was said by Tesla to still rotate when carried to the far end of the Electricity Hall, perhaps 100 ft distant from the powered-up "Egg of Columbus" coil. Me, I ran the tech dept. at Museum of Science in Boston (1984-89.) For valuable original artifacts, we had our artists and sculptors available to build exquisitely detailed copies of any historical artifact. Of course anything on display would be labeled a reproduction! So, would Tesla have exact copies in his possession, so he could keep the original safe? Tesla in an interview said that the wide disk-motor was one of (or the only?) prototype not destroyed in the fire, because it was on loan at the time to the Westinghouse corporate offices.
Tesla's original concept almost certainly derives from the Gramme Machine, ...which became his "nemesis" during student days, when he reports that his attempts to build a brushless version had driven him to a nervous breakdown. The breakthrough concept was to hold the Gramme Ring static, and instead let the field assembly rotate. This works fine. Just solder multiple wires to the rim of a Gramme Ring, and drive them with multiphase AC. That gives us the ring in his Egg of Columbus device (which supposedly was his first motor, built in order to attract investors to fund his lab.) In your prototype motor, is the field coil continuous? With wires soldered to the rim? Or is it like the patent, with four electrically-floating coils? Note that while in Varosliget park, the specifical piece of Goethe's Doctor Faustus instructs the listener to hold the entire cosmos static, while the Earth then spins beneath our feet at immense speed, while the sunset is halted, and the world exists in perpetual twilight, and Goethe even mentions that if we could actually do this, we'd discover one of the great secrets of science. (Faustus in the poem was walking at sunset with a friend, describing holding the rotary parts still while instead rotating the static parts ...even as Tesla was walking at sunset with Anthony Szigety. (Man, you just can't make this stuff up!) Interesting trivia: in an interview where he described details of his "Egg of Columbus," he suggested that hobbyists could easily build a polyphase AC generator by spinning a commutator assembly via a DC motor, and using batteries as the power source. Tesla's original motor-insight was to take a DC Gramme Machine and move the rotating commutator far away, where it becomes part of the polyphase AC source. In the interview, he didn't state that this is how he drove his first rotary-field motors. (But if not, what then was his polyphase AC supply?) If you personally build and experiment with a Gramme Machine, or even parts of one, you'll discover an odd feature. The ring is a continuous coil, and if you touch two battery-contacts to spots on the ring, those spots become a pair of magnetic poles, with the positive contact creating a magnetic pole opposite to the negative contact. Slide a contact along, and the magnetic pole follows its position. Or, rotate the entire ring while holding the contact static, and the magnetic pole remains static, even as the ring is rotating. This happens because, at the point of contact, the current departs in opposite directions through the closed ring-coil, but also the windings are in opposite CW/CCW sense, so that a single magnetic pole bursts forth from the iron ring at that spot. Move the contact along, and the magnetic pole follows it. Tesla's first motors harnessed this strange effect, where the core of the field-ring was a closed iron loop, yet strong magnetic fields extended out of the iron surface. The ring behaves as a pair of "virtual horse-shoe magnets," where alike poles are forced together, and the two horse-shoes form a closed circle, but with strong external dipole field. Tesla's first motors need not have four coils. The ring-shaped field-coil simply needs three (or four or six etc.) wires soldered equidistant upon the rim of the closed spiral. And, the same motor could also serve as an AC polyphase generator, if the rotor was a powerful bar-magnet which flips end-over-end, with its poles very close to the inner surface of the wire-wound ring. In that case, build two identical rings, and simply connect any number of wires between them. Add a bar-magnet to the generator, and add a copper egg (or a wound rotor) to the motor. Patent-battle trivia: In Germany, Dolivo-Dobrowolsky unexpectedly began claiming to have invented the 3-phase induction motor, while also insisting that Tesla had only invented the 2-phase, 4-wire version. (This over objections of his partner, Charles EL Brown of the AC company Oerklion, who stated that the Frankfurt 3-phase project was Tesla's invention.) In the press, Dolivo-Dobrowolsky said that the real inventor of a new discovery was not the one who originated the idea, or who first built prototypes, or who patented it. The only real inventor was the one who built a full-scale industrial demonstration. Tesla replied in print, saying that Dolivo-Dobrowolsky would save much time if he actually read patents, rather than trying to invent existing devices. Tesla said he'd leave the issue up to the German patent court, which had a long history of taking patent dates seriously. I mention the above because the 4-coil 4-wire version was only a simplified physical prototype, and not the patented AC system, while Tesla's patents also showed 3-phase motors, and even described ?30? phase experiments. The latter easily done, just by soldering thirty wires between two "Gramme Rings" having a continuous closed coil on the iron ring. Recently I was over at Seattle's historic 1930s-era Georgetown Steamplant, and what did I see? There were several enormous rotary converters, with 5ft AC induction motors driving DC dynamos on the same shaft (to power the city's DC streetcar system) The AC induction motors were stamped "General Electric." They all had eight coils, and four wires connecting them! NOT 3-phase. It appears that everything in the plant was 90deg 2-phase. There were also "Scott Tee" transformers taller than I am, to convert from 2-phase and provide 3-phase to the outside power-grid. General Electric, which early tried to steal polyphase from Westinghouse Corp (and halted by JP Morgan,) was using Dolivo-Dobrowolsky's trick and claiming that Tesla forgot to invent the 3-phase version. Three decades later, they're selling enormous 2-phase induction motors.
The only plastic that preceded bakelite was made from sugar introduced to nitric acid? Gun cotton, nitro cellulose, something like that coating it? Or some wax 🤔
It doesn't seem impossible to me to recreate the principle for demonstration purposes, to see the functionality. Wouldn't that be a higher priority then DNA evidence or rubber analysis?
I watched that show and wondered at the time... Bob, did you get my last email ? or the one I will send shortly on the arv idea you had ? anyway, I tried it, was wondering about additional tests to run before I clear my test bench for other ideas
Why is Tesla's patents mentioned more pivotal than US5436518A, Teruo Kawai reported a COP of 3.1 (310% over unity). Why the focus on Nikola Tesla's work prior to his work on radiant energy?
I think that today's is Shallenberger's slot-core modification of Dolivo-Dobrowolsky's shorting-bar modification of Tesla's 3-phase motor. So, Tesla invented the 3-phase motor we use today, just as Bardeen Brattain and Shockley invented the transistor we use today (the bipolar,) and Edison invented the incandescent bulb we use today. No, the point-contact transistor is no longer used, and neither is the carbon filament bulb (but small cheap light bulbs still use hard vacuum, without the modern argon-fill.) Yet Tesla's wound-rotor and 4-wire/2phase motors are still used today industrially. Wound-rotor motors appear in high-torque applications, just not in your home power tools or refrigerator. On various forums there are anti-Tesla smear-campaigns, and one of the popular distortions is that Dolivo-Dobrowolsky really invented Tesla's motor. He did, he did! Wrong-o. Instead, Dolivo-Dobrowolsky got it from Charles EL Brown, who got it from Tesla's 1888 patent-package. Dolivo-Dobrowolsky did invent a very patentable improvement to Tesla's original version. But that is irrelevant to who gets the inventors' prize and all the honorary PhDs, ...and then then Shallenberger invented it right out from under Dolivo-Dobrowolsky, and Shallenberger's improved version (he's a Westinghouse employee) is the one in wide use today, with squirrel-cage shorting-bars embedded in a slotted laminated core. (Heh, should we now smear Brattain/Bardeen/Shockley for not inventing the modern transistor we use today? No, it's the initial discovery that counts, not the unending stream of later mods/improvements. Coming in second, means you ain't the winner.) Inventors keep adding improvements. Those little 4in single-coil shaded-pole motors we had in all of our old record-players, those were patented around 1932 IIRC. Even so, Tesla invented large shaded-pole induction motors right at the start, so that his motors could be powered by single-phase AC, and so Westinghouse could use them immediately on his existing single-phase power networks.
Hi carman hugss it look authentic these things are rare I got one that was given to me by adanac salvage on Alexander street by Philemon gadison 1985 it’s about 200 pounds I demonstrated it to alan Edward’s bctv new hour Tony parsons adanac salvage would say a very old man would show up with Tesla things they think it was Tesla’s well Tomas Lee Richardson friend of teslas lived in Vancouver anyway the unit I have or had was involved in a patent in regards to alternating current teslas patent same thing it’s very old as well with cloth covered wire It had brass maybe your was made by Westin electric very rare I uploaded my stuff into UA-cam Allyn Edward’s filmed it running thank you hi to jeane
Joke? The Smithsonian has a long history of leading the charge in Tesla-suppression. American kids need a better role model, that's why they push Edison as the inventor of the modern power-grid. Perhaps "Erased at the Smithsonian" is on Tesla Memorial Society?
Wow, what a wonderful piece of history. Another interesting factoid, "One of the oldest if not THE oldest industrial electric motor".....now in my dad's garage, hidden by my grandfather in Denmark during WW2 copper/brass confiscation - ua-cam.com/video/OWg7PxTZ5kc/v-deo.html
I will be driving through the mountains when this airs… We managed to get this recorded at the last minute 😅 Thanks again to Bob! Apologies for being under the weather still and a bit exhausted at the time🙏
Carmen, you're a saint! On behalf of everyone who doesn't yet realize how monumentous this could be for developing free energy, I really want to thank you!
You’re awesome Carmen! Fascinating discovery!
Good intentions!
Well done Carmen and Bob I am very grateful for both of you
What a great day, I spend the morning listening to vedantic script, then tesla autobiography.... then i come in to see this....I got tears!!
Definitely belongs on a museum.
Wow what a beautiful artifact of history, I hope you succeed.
Ashton Forbes is going to want to inspect this.😂
Amazing contribution to the progress of mankind. Bless you & thank you for your doing your part.
Also, for what it's worth, I think Martin Fleischmann and Stanley Pons stumbled on zero point energy pursuing cold fusion. 👀
I agree
Ryan Hopkins dimension drawings here:
remoteview.substack.com/p/teslas-lost-prototype-induction-motor
There are vaguely similar motors in the photo from Tesla's table at the 1893 Columbian Exposition. Apparently all those prototypes but one (the disk-motor labeled "C,") were lost in the 1895 NYC laboratory fire. I wonder how your motor escaped the fire? Maybe it's actually post-1895, and a duplicate of the burned-up original?
In the high-resolution Columbian Exposition photo, look closely, directly between the two "Egg of Columbus" devices. On the table, laying on its side, is one of these early Gramme-Ring type of AC motors. It appears to have large sturdy bearings, but the rotor is hidden. Hrm, if either one of the "Columbus" coils was turned on, then with that motor in that position, the rotor would start spinning via wireless power. That would explain its position on the table. Similarly, that black-white sector-disk was said by Tesla to still rotate when carried to the far end of the Electricity Hall, perhaps 100 ft distant from the powered-up "Egg of Columbus" coil.
Me, I ran the tech dept. at Museum of Science in Boston (1984-89.) For valuable original artifacts, we had our artists and sculptors available to build exquisitely detailed copies of any historical artifact. Of course anything on display would be labeled a reproduction! So, would Tesla have exact copies in his possession, so he could keep the original safe? Tesla in an interview said that the wide disk-motor was one of (or the only?) prototype not destroyed in the fire, because it was on loan at the time to the Westinghouse corporate offices.
Tesla's original concept almost certainly derives from the Gramme Machine, ...which became his "nemesis" during student days, when he reports that his attempts to build a brushless version had driven him to a nervous breakdown.
The breakthrough concept was to hold the Gramme Ring static, and instead let the field assembly rotate. This works fine. Just solder multiple wires to the rim of a Gramme Ring, and drive them with multiphase AC. That gives us the ring in his Egg of Columbus device (which supposedly was his first motor, built in order to attract investors to fund his lab.) In your prototype motor, is the field coil continuous? With wires soldered to the rim? Or is it like the patent, with four electrically-floating coils?
Note that while in Varosliget park, the specifical piece of Goethe's Doctor Faustus instructs the listener to hold the entire cosmos static, while the Earth then spins beneath our feet at immense speed, while the sunset is halted, and the world exists in perpetual twilight, and Goethe even mentions that if we could actually do this, we'd discover one of the great secrets of science. (Faustus in the poem was walking at sunset with a friend, describing holding the rotary parts still while instead rotating the static parts ...even as Tesla was walking at sunset with Anthony Szigety. (Man, you just can't make this stuff up!)
Interesting trivia: in an interview where he described details of his "Egg of Columbus," he suggested that hobbyists could easily build a polyphase AC generator by spinning a commutator assembly via a DC motor, and using batteries as the power source. Tesla's original motor-insight was to take a DC Gramme Machine and move the rotating commutator far away, where it becomes part of the polyphase AC source. In the interview, he didn't state that this is how he drove his first rotary-field motors. (But if not, what then was his polyphase AC supply?)
If you personally build and experiment with a Gramme Machine, or even parts of one, you'll discover an odd feature. The ring is a continuous coil, and if you touch two battery-contacts to spots on the ring, those spots become a pair of magnetic poles, with the positive contact creating a magnetic pole opposite to the negative contact. Slide a contact along, and the magnetic pole follows its position. Or, rotate the entire ring while holding the contact static, and the magnetic pole remains static, even as the ring is rotating. This happens because, at the point of contact, the current departs in opposite directions through the closed ring-coil, but also the windings are in opposite CW/CCW sense, so that a single magnetic pole bursts forth from the iron ring at that spot. Move the contact along, and the magnetic pole follows it.
Tesla's first motors harnessed this strange effect, where the core of the field-ring was a closed iron loop, yet strong magnetic fields extended out of the iron surface. The ring behaves as a pair of "virtual horse-shoe magnets," where alike poles are forced together, and the two horse-shoes form a closed circle, but with strong external dipole field.
Tesla's first motors need not have four coils. The ring-shaped field-coil simply needs three (or four or six etc.) wires soldered equidistant upon the rim of the closed spiral. And, the same motor could also serve as an AC polyphase generator, if the rotor was a powerful bar-magnet which flips end-over-end, with its poles very close to the inner surface of the wire-wound ring. In that case, build two identical rings, and simply connect any number of wires between them. Add a bar-magnet to the generator, and add a copper egg (or a wound rotor) to the motor.
Patent-battle trivia: In Germany, Dolivo-Dobrowolsky unexpectedly began claiming to have invented the 3-phase induction motor, while also insisting that Tesla had only invented the 2-phase, 4-wire version. (This over objections of his partner, Charles EL Brown of the AC company Oerklion, who stated that the Frankfurt 3-phase project was Tesla's invention.) In the press, Dolivo-Dobrowolsky said that the real inventor of a new discovery was not the one who originated the idea, or who first built prototypes, or who patented it. The only real inventor was the one who built a full-scale industrial demonstration. Tesla replied in print, saying that Dolivo-Dobrowolsky would save much time if he actually read patents, rather than trying to invent existing devices. Tesla said he'd leave the issue up to the German patent court, which had a long history of taking patent dates seriously.
I mention the above because the 4-coil 4-wire version was only a simplified physical prototype, and not the patented AC system, while Tesla's patents also showed 3-phase motors, and even described ?30? phase experiments. The latter easily done, just by soldering thirty wires between two "Gramme Rings" having a continuous closed coil on the iron ring.
Recently I was over at Seattle's historic 1930s-era Georgetown Steamplant, and what did I see? There were several enormous rotary converters, with 5ft AC induction motors driving DC dynamos on the same shaft (to power the city's DC streetcar system) The AC induction motors were stamped "General Electric." They all had eight coils, and four wires connecting them! NOT 3-phase. It appears that everything in the plant was 90deg 2-phase. There were also "Scott Tee" transformers taller than I am, to convert from 2-phase and provide 3-phase to the outside power-grid. General Electric, which early tried to steal polyphase from Westinghouse Corp (and halted by JP Morgan,) was using Dolivo-Dobrowolsky's trick and claiming that Tesla forgot to invent the 3-phase version. Three decades later, they're selling enormous 2-phase induction motors.
Man only if I could put that into practical applications on my workbench and really visualize and understand it.
Thank you both..🤙👏
So grateful for you both! It's all Happening
The beginning of those fantastic cars ;-)
Yes!😇
Holy crap i just realized the Antikythera mechanism is an induction motor! 😂
Do a little more research
@@peterfryer9615 what would we find?
Wow, incredible find.... I hope! :-)
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@ you know best Alex!!🌞🤓
@mikiluxo you know we know what we know! Hehe
The only plastic that preceded bakelite was made from sugar introduced to nitric acid?
Gun cotton, nitro cellulose, something like that coating it? Or some wax 🤔
I suspect the cross beam is leather
Very exciting
Very cool !
This is awesome! I'm geeked up fr 😸
Tkzz for sharing,.,.,.peace
The shiny on the wires is bee wax everything was coated with bees wax in that time period...
Electret coating?🤷🏼
I'm pretty sure I've seen that before. Cell phone inductive chargers reference that patent.
8:10 this might come as a surprise but I could afford that if I did all my chores for a week.
Way cool
It doesn't seem impossible to me to recreate the principle for demonstration purposes, to see the functionality. Wouldn't that be a higher priority then DNA evidence or rubber analysis?
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Neat!
I watched that show and wondered at the time...
Bob, did you get my last email ?
or the one I will send shortly on the arv idea you had ?
anyway, I tried it, was wondering about additional tests to run before I clear my test bench for other ideas
The true Mr Spock🖖👽 was a gentleman named Mr Tesla
Why is Tesla's patents mentioned more pivotal than US5436518A, Teruo Kawai reported a COP of 3.1 (310% over unity). Why the focus on Nikola Tesla's work prior to his work on radiant energy?
Oh its historic, got it.
Shame he didn't invent the 3 phase motor we use today
I think that today's is Shallenberger's slot-core modification of Dolivo-Dobrowolsky's shorting-bar modification of Tesla's 3-phase motor.
So, Tesla invented the 3-phase motor we use today, just as Bardeen Brattain and Shockley invented the transistor we use today (the bipolar,) and Edison invented the incandescent bulb we use today. No, the point-contact transistor is no longer used, and neither is the carbon filament bulb (but small cheap light bulbs still use hard vacuum, without the modern argon-fill.) Yet Tesla's wound-rotor and 4-wire/2phase motors are still used today industrially. Wound-rotor motors appear in high-torque applications, just not in your home power tools or refrigerator.
On various forums there are anti-Tesla smear-campaigns, and one of the popular distortions is that Dolivo-Dobrowolsky really invented Tesla's motor. He did, he did!
Wrong-o. Instead, Dolivo-Dobrowolsky got it from Charles EL Brown, who got it from Tesla's 1888 patent-package. Dolivo-Dobrowolsky did invent a very patentable improvement to Tesla's original version. But that is irrelevant to who gets the inventors' prize and all the honorary PhDs, ...and then then Shallenberger invented it right out from under Dolivo-Dobrowolsky, and Shallenberger's improved version (he's a Westinghouse employee) is the one in wide use today, with squirrel-cage shorting-bars embedded in a slotted laminated core. (Heh, should we now smear Brattain/Bardeen/Shockley for not inventing the modern transistor we use today? No, it's the initial discovery that counts, not the unending stream of later mods/improvements. Coming in second, means you ain't the winner.)
Inventors keep adding improvements. Those little 4in single-coil shaded-pole motors we had in all of our old record-players, those were patented around 1932 IIRC. Even so, Tesla invented large shaded-pole induction motors right at the start, so that his motors could be powered by single-phase AC, and so Westinghouse could use them immediately on his existing single-phase power networks.
cool, so whats it do? carmen seems nice
Hi carman hugss it look authentic these things are rare I got one that was given to me by adanac salvage on Alexander street by Philemon gadison 1985 it’s about 200 pounds I demonstrated it to alan Edward’s bctv new hour Tony parsons adanac salvage would say a very old man would show up with Tesla things they think it was Tesla’s well Tomas Lee Richardson friend of teslas lived in Vancouver anyway the unit I have or had was involved in a patent in regards to alternating current teslas patent same thing it’s very old as well with cloth covered wire It had brass maybe your was made by Westin electric very rare I uploaded my stuff into UA-cam Allyn Edward’s filmed it running thank you hi to jeane
The Smithsonian Museum research department maybe?
Joke? The Smithsonian has a long history of leading the charge in Tesla-suppression. American kids need a better role model, that's why they push Edison as the inventor of the modern power-grid. Perhaps "Erased at the Smithsonian" is on Tesla Memorial Society?
Ps mine was dc fed I think later then yours
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Please cite your evidence
Wow, what a wonderful piece of history. Another interesting factoid, "One of the oldest if not THE oldest industrial electric motor".....now in my dad's garage, hidden by my grandfather in Denmark during WW2 copper/brass confiscation - ua-cam.com/video/OWg7PxTZ5kc/v-deo.html
The coating is a polymer. Seems like a solid state super inductor.
@EricDollard