One of the many strengths of this series is the guests. Future episodes won't disappoint in this area. BTW, I always thought your hat is cool. It has an iconic look similar to the one in that particular Christopher Columbus portrait.
It's falling apart too, like I've sailed the seven seas and back again. I must source a replacement before we have hatless reactions. 😄😄 I'm so impressed with the guest stars they've managed to attract to this show.
40:22 I agree, begin the next reaction by reflecting on this episode and reading our comments. I would love to hear your internal deliberations after having this episode sit within your memory for a week.
Alas, since I'm a few weeks ahead, I can't retroactively do that. 😊 Although it would be nice to revisit some Star Trek episodes in the future, when I have more to add.
Speaking about Chekov, at the end of the episode he is suggested to focus his efforts on tactical. In The Motion Picture, aboard the refitted Enterprise, Chekov IS indeed the tactical officer (not the navigator anymore, because that role fell to Ilia) and he is in charge of weapons. Anoter good bit of continuity!
I was so excited to see the moment when you realized that that character was Hadley and then you almost missed it 😮😂 I re-watched this episode just before watching your reaction and there is so much to say. This is my favorite episode of the series because it is so Star Trek asking difficult questions with no easy answers by the end of the episode. I remember when there were no female captains on ships of the line, a.k.a. combat ships. In the 80s women were captains of support ships only, supply ships, oilers, that sort of thing. The Navy started introducing female officers and female enlisted personnel to duties on ships of the line for short cruises when I served. Ours was one of the ships chosen for that task. Now we have female captains and female enlisted on all ship types. Turnabout Intruder was clunky, but I don't think that Starfleet was opposed to female captains even in that episode. They were opposed to bat crap crazy female captains. This episode is a better representation of possible bias. Commander Garrett may be a fine officer and may even be correct in saying that her actions were correct. I can certainly hear Kirk saying something similar. The difference between Spock and Garrett seems to be one is willing to take personal responsibility and the other may not be willing to do so. Spock certainly did in the Galileo incident. He took a moment to reflect on his actions and determined that he was wrong. Kirk is also willing to take personal responsibility when he knows he's wrong. But Garrett is correct in assuming that bias does play a role in decision making. The world will never be perfectly fair, because no one can ever be completely unbiased no matter how hard they try. It's what you do with that knowledge that makes you a victim or a champion. You may not get as many views but you are a champion. Don't ever forget.
The historical role of woman in combat is interesting study and rarely an issue of diversity over decision-making. A small sample of impactful people in unique situations who had an effect worthy of recording are: Tara Sega the first Nike, Nemesis, Boudica, Joan of Arc, Artemisia of Caria, Artemisa of Armenia, Zenobia, and Inanna/Tana. All had compelling stories not about rights but about grit and resolve. I feel that their story arcs are compelling and should be emulated more as models for asserting meaningful change. To have a Starfleet officer with those kinds of accomplishments would have been more compelling. I wish they would have delved a few more minutes into Garret's record, sacrifices, and achievements.
I enjoy these even if I do have to squint a little bit to get past the actor substitutions. They do get "original character" mannerisms and quirks decently well though.
In the discarded episode of TOS, "The Cage", Number 1 (played by Majel Barret) was very prepared to command a Constitution-class starship, as the Enterprise First Officer, as this was taken out of the continuity until the coming of the series "Strange New Worlds", the plot of this episode came to be.
32:12 "That wasn't the question." This is a well thought out script. The depth and grittiness are undeniable. We do not need to like Garret for her to be right.
Your comments toward the end concerning how you choose to appear in your reactions were very striking to me. You are the best judge of you, so just stay comfortable with yourself.
15:30 I love the tension and the defensive wall that candidate Garret throws up. Kirk's frustration is unmistakable. 18:38 Let us count the possible biases from personal (Kirk's relationships and internal biases) to cultural (the history and views of Starfleet Command). The list would be monumental! As Spock is well aware: appearances, unfortunately, have significant influence. 19:44 The whiplash to perceived biases has a tendency to undermine dispassionate systems of evaluation. Kirk is feeling this in abundance. 41:37 In this instance, I feel Kirk is on the wrong side. The issue was settled by his peers in command. While he may have doubts, he should have conceded to the judgement of his peers who had access to the entire case. The matter was resolved. That Kirk goes down this path makes him more realistic and human. I am glad it was part of the script; we all feel somewhat cheated when we cannot view all of the evidence and then we unconsciously hold biases because of that doubt. Again, the depth and complexity of STC scripts outshines the TOS scripts in most cases (The Doomsday Machine being one of the all-time best in my opinion).
26:16 Garret's response mirrors McCarthy era rules of defining oneself: attack, admit nothing, deny everything, claim victory, and never admit defeat. As mere smoke and mirrors, decisions influenced by such responses have rarely gone well.
We know what happened to Spock all over TOS, but not her story, so I take it they didn't mention those things just to make episode shorter, if not it could have the lenght of a fanmade movie.
Here, you are on episode 7. I don't know if you ever seen a Next Generation episode but before you watch episode 9 ST: C, may I suggest you watch the Next Generations first show, Encounter At Farpoint which was originally a 2 hour series premiere. There's a reason I don't really want to say as it would be a spoiler. I don't know what else to say except if anyone agrees, comment on my comment yes or no.
Hey, I appreciate this warning. I grew up with TNG though in my house, so I know it inside out. It's a pity because I'd have loved to do reactions for that. 😄
From the Captain of the NX-02 Columbia on Enterprise, to the Captain of the Shenzhou on Discovery... to the Captain of the Saratoga in Star Trek IV, and future Starship Captains... as well as other high ranking officers over the years... Janice Lester's story suck out like a sort thumb. Obviously referencing 1960s America where Women could not serve in Combat Roles, But it didn't make sense for a forwarding thinking show that was set a couple hundred years in the future.... I'm glad the story writers worked hard to come up with a good explanation as to why she had been denied the position of being a Starship Captain.
Prequel shows can complicate canon can't they? 😅 I guess they didn't think Janice's viewpoint was a reflection of reality, rather, that she someone who just couldn't make the grade.
The blue liquid is Romulan Ale. Illegal in the Federation except for "medicininal purposes." Have you seen the TOS movies? I want to say something, but it would be a minor spoiler for one of the movies.
35:05 but its the 22nd century right here. It will be the 23rd century when there is a Garrett is Captain of the Enterprise-C though. I wonder if I'm not interpreting this correct or was that a mistake?
TOS and Continues are in the 23rd Century. TNG is in the 24th Century. The 22nd Century will have been from 2101-2200. The 23rd Century will have been from 2201-2300. The 24th Century will have been from 2301-2400.
Could be her or daughter, or another female with the sme name, remeber the Enterprise B is at kirks end of career, that ship will last say 10-20 years, then the enterprise C which is the one Garrett commanded in the black cross episode Yesterdays Enterprise in TNG Seeing this late is late 20's early 30's, add 20-25 years and she could be the older Garret show To many coincidences, Surname, wanting to Command the flagship Enterprise, the Archer award, so my guess is she does become captain but not in a constitution class ( in saying that she may have commanded constitution class, then the next evolution of the Excelsior class and finally whatever the C- was She has a touchy nature and took Kirks casual comment about the past incident as female intimidation and ran to superios going on about "being a woman and treated second class" Regards George
One of the many strengths of this series is the guests. Future episodes won't disappoint in this area.
BTW, I always thought your hat is cool. It has an iconic look similar to the one in that particular Christopher Columbus portrait.
It's falling apart too, like I've sailed the seven seas and back again. I must source a replacement before we have hatless reactions. 😄😄
I'm so impressed with the guest stars they've managed to attract to this show.
I've read old Chris was a redhead too lol
40:22 I agree, begin the next reaction by reflecting on this episode and reading our comments. I would love to hear your internal deliberations after having this episode sit within your memory for a week.
Alas, since I'm a few weeks ahead, I can't retroactively do that. 😊
Although it would be nice to revisit some Star Trek episodes in the future, when I have more to add.
*Greetings, I can't wait until you get to episode 9.*
Just another week until 9. 😄
@ahatfulofreactions1414 Yay, yippee.💗
Speaking about Chekov, at the end of the episode he is suggested to focus his efforts on tactical. In The Motion Picture, aboard the refitted Enterprise, Chekov IS indeed the tactical officer (not the navigator anymore, because that role fell to Ilia) and he is in charge of weapons. Anoter good bit of continuity!
Ah, I love the attention to detail with this show. They're so good with sticking to canon and joining the dots.
I was so excited to see the moment when you realized that that character was Hadley and then you almost missed it 😮😂
I re-watched this episode just before watching your reaction and there is so much to say. This is my favorite episode of the series because it is so Star Trek asking difficult questions with no easy answers by the end of the episode. I remember when there were no female captains on ships of the line, a.k.a. combat ships. In the 80s women were captains of support ships only, supply ships, oilers, that sort of thing. The Navy started introducing female officers and female enlisted personnel to duties on ships of the line for short cruises when I served. Ours was one of the ships chosen for that task. Now we have female captains and female enlisted on all ship types.
Turnabout Intruder was clunky, but I don't think that Starfleet was opposed to female captains even in that episode. They were opposed to bat crap crazy female captains. This episode is a better representation of possible bias. Commander Garrett may be a fine officer and may even be correct in saying that her actions were correct. I can certainly hear Kirk saying something similar. The difference between Spock and Garrett seems to be one is willing to take personal responsibility and the other may not be willing to do so. Spock certainly did in the Galileo incident. He took a moment to reflect on his actions and determined that he was wrong. Kirk is also willing to take personal responsibility when he knows he's wrong. But Garrett is correct in assuming that bias does play a role in decision making. The world will never be perfectly fair, because no one can ever be completely unbiased no matter how hard they try. It's what you do with that knowledge that makes you a victim or a champion.
You may not get as many views but you are a champion. Don't ever forget.
The historical role of woman in combat is interesting study and rarely an issue of diversity over decision-making. A small sample of impactful people in unique situations who had an effect worthy of recording are: Tara Sega the first Nike, Nemesis, Boudica, Joan of Arc, Artemisia of Caria, Artemisa of Armenia, Zenobia, and Inanna/Tana. All had compelling stories not about rights but about grit and resolve. I feel that their story arcs are compelling and should be emulated more as models for asserting meaningful change. To have a Starfleet officer with those kinds of accomplishments would have been more compelling. I wish they would have delved a few more minutes into Garret's record, sacrifices, and achievements.
Always great to get your input into real Navy life, and how it can compare/contrast with Star Trek. 😊
@@ahatfulofreactions1414 thank you Hatful.
...But that was Rachel Garret, so perhaps the USS Enterprise NCC-1701-C captain is her daughter or grandaughter.
Yeah, I don't know how any of the dates/math work out here. 😅
I enjoy these even if I do have to squint a little bit to get past the actor substitutions. They do get "original character" mannerisms and quirks decently well though.
I've been totally on board for a while. They went through a portal and all got face-changed. I can go with that. 😄
In the discarded episode of TOS, "The Cage", Number 1 (played by Majel Barret) was very prepared to command a Constitution-class starship, as the Enterprise First Officer, as this was taken out of the continuity until the coming of the series "Strange New Worlds", the plot of this episode came to be.
I sometimes forget that the Number 1 in "The Cage" is the same as the one in Strange New Worlds. 😄
I found out recently that the Eath in the past had rings around as Saturn have them nowadays. Interesting fact, I believe.
Fraggle Rock? 🤣 I get your point though. Still, I'd think any kind of uniqueness should have its draw too.
32:12 "That wasn't the question." This is a well thought out script. The depth and grittiness are undeniable. We do not need to like Garret for her to be right.
28:00 Whatever was happening, Chekov had a moment of awesomeness That boy will make Captain one day!
Your comments toward the end concerning how you choose to appear in your reactions were very striking to me. You are the best judge of you, so just stay comfortable with yourself.
I'll let you know if I ever reach comfortable. 😅 (But thank you!)
15:30 I love the tension and the defensive wall that candidate Garret throws up. Kirk's frustration is unmistakable.
18:38 Let us count the possible biases from personal (Kirk's relationships and internal biases) to cultural (the history and views of Starfleet Command). The list would be monumental! As Spock is well aware: appearances, unfortunately, have significant influence.
19:44 The whiplash to perceived biases has a tendency to undermine dispassionate systems of evaluation. Kirk is feeling this in abundance.
41:37 In this instance, I feel Kirk is on the wrong side. The issue was settled by his peers in command. While he may have doubts, he should have conceded to the judgement of his peers who had access to the entire case. The matter was resolved. That Kirk goes down this path makes him more realistic and human. I am glad it was part of the script; we all feel somewhat cheated when we cannot view all of the evidence and then we unconsciously hold biases because of that doubt. Again, the depth and complexity of STC scripts outshines the TOS scripts in most cases (The Doomsday Machine being one of the all-time best in my opinion).
10:31 Dang - that is one classic beauty shot!
26:16 Garret's response mirrors McCarthy era rules of defining oneself: attack, admit nothing, deny everything, claim victory, and never admit defeat. As mere smoke and mirrors, decisions influenced by such responses have rarely gone well.
Yeah, it's so interesting to have her play her character in that way.
22:41 "We also got a guy we can kill off; I'll call him Sturgeon."
Poor Sturgeon. 🤣
Yes, that's Colonel Wilma Deering.
We know what happened to Spock all over TOS, but not her story, so I take it they didn't mention those things just to make episode shorter, if not it could have the lenght of a fanmade movie.
Here, you are on episode 7. I don't know if you ever seen a Next Generation episode but before you watch episode 9 ST: C, may I suggest you watch the Next Generations first show, Encounter At Farpoint which was originally a 2 hour series premiere. There's a reason I don't really want to say as it would be a spoiler. I don't know what else to say except if anyone agrees, comment on my comment yes or no.
Hey, I appreciate this warning. I grew up with TNG though in my house, so I know it inside out. It's a pity because I'd have loved to do reactions for that. 😄
From the Captain of the NX-02 Columbia on Enterprise, to the Captain of the Shenzhou on Discovery... to the Captain of the Saratoga in Star Trek IV, and future Starship Captains... as well as other high ranking officers over the years... Janice Lester's story suck out like a sort thumb. Obviously referencing 1960s America where Women could not serve in Combat Roles, But it didn't make sense for a forwarding thinking show that was set a couple hundred years in the future.... I'm glad the story writers worked hard to come up with a good explanation as to why she had been denied the position of being a Starship Captain.
Prequel shows can complicate canon can't they? 😅 I guess they didn't think Janice's viewpoint was a reflection of reality, rather, that she someone who just couldn't make the grade.
The blue liquid is Romulan Ale. Illegal in the Federation except for "medicininal purposes."
Have you seen the TOS movies?
I want to say something, but it would be a minor spoiler for one of the movies.
Oh definitely feel free. I've seen the movies.
@@ahatfulofreactions1414 Nimbus III was the "Planet of Galactic Peace" from Star Trek V.
35:05 but its the 22nd century right here. It will be the 23rd century when there is a Garrett is Captain of the Enterprise-C though. I wonder if I'm not interpreting this correct or was that a mistake?
TOS and Continues are in the 23rd Century. TNG is in the 24th Century. The 22nd Century will have been from 2101-2200. The 23rd Century will have been from 2201-2300. The 24th Century will have been from 2301-2400.
@@StuartistStudio1964 Thanks, I always get that mixed up.
Could be her or daughter, or another female with the sme name, remeber the Enterprise B is at kirks end of career, that ship will last say 10-20 years, then the enterprise C which is the one Garrett commanded in the black cross episode Yesterdays Enterprise in TNG
Seeing this late is late 20's early 30's, add 20-25 years and she could be the older Garret show
To many coincidences, Surname, wanting to Command the flagship Enterprise, the Archer award, so my guess is she does become captain but not in a constitution class ( in saying that she may have commanded constitution class, then the next evolution of the Excelsior class and finally whatever the C- was
She has a touchy nature and took Kirks casual comment about the past incident as female intimidation and ran to superios going on about "being a woman and treated second class"
Regards
George
The next episode has as guess start an actress that we have already seen in Star Trek: Discovery and Battlestar Galactica (2003-2009)
Yep yep. I recognized her pretty early on thankfully. 😅
That is Romulan Ale.
So Spock was a Captain twice, just like Kirk.