The Band Should Slip Off But It Does The Opposite!

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    Crowned Pulleys do this bizarre counterintuitive thing. Instead of slipping off the curved surface, the band actually moves to the middle and stays there.
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  • @smartereveryday
    @smartereveryday 3 роки тому +6984

    SNATCH BLOCK!.... er... uh, I mean. . NOT A SNATCH BLOCK

    • @zarlus8
      @zarlus8 3 роки тому +161

      Still one of my favorite moments 😂

    • @ephjaymusic
      @ephjaymusic 3 роки тому +19

      Ayyyy!!!!! 🤣🤣🤣

    • @kikelabmor
      @kikelabmor 3 роки тому +67

      HAHA i was totally hoping to see this comment

    • @TheWaynester101
      @TheWaynester101 3 роки тому +74

      @@canofpulp screw you. Dont hate on him

    • @mwu365
      @mwu365 3 роки тому +38

      @@cbrooksusmc he's not

  • @xmtxx
    @xmtxx 3 роки тому +376

    That explains it..
    It don't remember what for, but a few years ago, I designed the concave thingy for a homemade belt system, and I couldn't understand why the belt was, always flying off.
    I had to put on guards to prevent it... It was a mess.
    Now I know. Thanks! :)

    • @SkandranonOwens
      @SkandranonOwens 3 роки тому +20

      Would have been fun to watch that frustration

    • @victorhopper6774
      @victorhopper6774 3 роки тому +4

      reminds me of 45 years ago when i tried to square up a radial saw table with a square that wasn't square, drove me nuts.

  • @somedood9989
    @somedood9989 2 роки тому +118

    2:12
    "Our intuition is wrong."
    Learning physics summed up in one sentence.

  • @tyrind2001
    @tyrind2001 2 роки тому +234

    You've just turned everything around that i knew about conveyors. I work in the metal recycling industry and usually we have to track conveyors to keep them in line. Usually we tighten the side to make the conveyor move opposite of the side we tighten. Then we'd get some conveyors that just didn't seem to wanna do that. They'd move opposite the way they should and everyone was always confused about it and just chocked it up to basically being a odd quirky attribute of that particular conveyor.

    • @HydetheRapper
      @HydetheRapper 10 місяців тому +3

      That’s awesome! It’s so fun to learn something that explains something you encountered in the past. Love that feeling. Like answering a question you’d forgotten you ever asked.

    • @stevewindisch2882
      @stevewindisch2882 10 місяців тому +3

      I'm wondering if the difference was how tight the particular conveyor was relative to the others. I'd guess a looser one would have the intuitive effect and a tighter one would have the effect described in this video. My thought is that looser would mean less grip and the belt would slide away from the crown while a tighter one would work its way up to the crown

    • @NoferTrunions
      @NoferTrunions 10 місяців тому

      Guessing, may be related to the great width of the belt. If there is bias in any of the belt physical properties, it may throw its behavior out the window. For example if the thickness varied linearly slightly across the width in which case the belt would now be a cone. (and of course just saying this out loud doesn't sound plausible LOL!)

    • @thomasphillips885
      @thomasphillips885 7 місяців тому

      Wait is it chalked up or chocked up?

    • @garramiro
      @garramiro 6 місяців тому

      Sometimes belt arent properly cut and even with a crown pulley you wont be able to fix the drift.

  • @inspiringengineer
    @inspiringengineer 3 роки тому +901

    Anthropomorphising a rubber band is streching it a bit! ;)

  • @cogmonocle2140
    @cogmonocle2140 3 роки тому +798

    The instant a video starts talking about pulleys I'm already waiting for "SNATCH BLOCK"

    • @mikieswart
      @mikieswart 3 роки тому +13

      SNATCH BLOCK!

    • @-NGC-6302-
      @-NGC-6302- 3 роки тому +4

      No exceptions

    • @Feefa99
      @Feefa99 3 роки тому +10

      S N A T C H B L O C K !!!

    • @NemoConsequentae
      @NemoConsequentae 3 роки тому +3

      Exactly where my mind went as well!
      I laughed when it cut to _SNATCHBLOCK!_

    • @Antifuzz1
      @Antifuzz1 3 роки тому +2

      Laminar flow!!!

  • @mikenolan4871
    @mikenolan4871 3 роки тому +77

    I've worked in manufacturing for years and have observed this effect on lots of conveyors, belt drives, belt sanders, etc. And this is the first real explanation I've heard. Thanks for clearing up something I've been mystified about!

    • @Hanoverauto
      @Hanoverauto 2 роки тому +2

      The belts on such things as thrashing machines and circular saws, driven from the pulley wheel on a tractor, are often slack when running and are not elastic so this explanation doesn't fit.

    • @mikenolan4871
      @mikenolan4871 2 роки тому +5

      @@Hanoverauto I'd love to hear your alternative explanation.

    • @roughsoleman
      @roughsoleman 10 місяців тому

      @@Hanoverauto Flat Pulleys on tractor takeoff

    • @21centdregs
      @21centdregs 5 місяців тому

      that’s exactly what im trying to sort out. no belt sander has a stretchy belt, so why are they crowned? maybe there’s some tiny amount of stretch that seems imperceivable but idk about that, im still skeptical

    • @BigCrowsVideos
      @BigCrowsVideos 5 місяців тому

      @@Hanoverauto There is no such thing, as "absolutely slack", they all do stretch a little. Because they are more rigid, than a rubber band, the same force causes them to stretch by a little amount (in length) but the effect is the same

  • @AmeriBradeOfficial
    @AmeriBradeOfficial 3 роки тому +68

    Hey Steve! I've followed you for years, so it was super exciting to see our belt grinder in the video Tom sent you. I definitely didn't expect that when I started watching. Obviously, belt tracking is a phenomenon we spend a lot of time thinking about in belt sander design, so it was nice seeing someone explain the crowning effect scientifically. Home builders often run into problems when they add a tracking adjustment because the interaction with the crown isn't necessarily intuitive. The belt seems to ride to the high point of a crown, but it also looks like it rides down the slope when you tilt a wheel to adjust the tracking (as it does in the video Tom sent you). We have our own working theories on how crowning interacts with adjustable belt tracking, but I'm sure I would learn something and see it in a new light if you ever looked into it.
    Eric

    • @nenmaster5218
      @nenmaster5218 2 роки тому +1

      This Channel here reminds me of Hbomberguy;
      my Favorite Place to learn.
      Well, that and Veritsaium.

    • @Lowezar
      @Lowezar Рік тому

      That ruzzian flag on your avatar though. :D

    • @EbonyPope
      @EbonyPope 4 місяці тому

      4:45 Still don't understand why it would bow upwards. I don't see anything pushing "up" just material stretching along the line. He did a terrible job at explaining. Why would those for springs be pushed up? I don't see any deformation that would push them in that direction?

  • @justdoingodswork
    @justdoingodswork 3 роки тому +2020

    You can never miss "Destin", when you say snatch block

    • @GTechno13
      @GTechno13 3 роки тому +110

      LAMINAR FLOW!!!!!

    • @quinten70
      @quinten70 3 роки тому +1

      Yess

    • @howardbaxter2514
      @howardbaxter2514 3 роки тому +60

      Destin will forever be the Snatch Block and Laminar Flow guy in the Science/Engineering community. It’s, of course, all in good faith though.

    • @350speedfreak
      @350speedfreak 3 роки тому +23

      String trimmer fight announcer voice was the best.

    • @vigilantcosmicpenguin8721
      @vigilantcosmicpenguin8721 3 роки тому +9

      @@350speedfreak Destin could do voice work.

  • @TusharGoyal1997
    @TusharGoyal1997 3 роки тому +536

    That concave pulley clip really answered all lingering questions in one shot for me! Great work as always Steve!

    • @travcollier
      @travcollier 3 роки тому +13

      Yes... I've done that wrong many times over the years, and now know why.

    • @vigilantcosmicpenguin8721
      @vigilantcosmicpenguin8721 3 роки тому +5

      He really covered all the bases.

    • @LM_25_11
      @LM_25_11 3 роки тому

      This example is gold

  • @DavidCaldwell1
    @DavidCaldwell1 2 роки тому +23

    When I did my degree (mechanical engineering, a long time ago) we spent half a lecture on this. The lecturer (a tenured professor) actually explained it in terms of velocity and angular acceleration of elements of the belt. I was more confused after than before. This deflection-based explanation is way better, and makes me wonder if the comparative angular acceleration explanation was just totally wrong. Also had no idea elastomer elasticity was from entropy... awesome

    • @somedragontoslay2579
      @somedragontoslay2579 2 роки тому +7

      I have the impression both explanations are different ways to say the same. Like how LaGrangian mechanics end up being Newtonian mechanics just with another philosophical approach. I like Steve's explanation better, tho

    • @23Q19
      @23Q19 Рік тому +7

      I would agree with angular acceleration more... What he showed seemed to be true about rubber bands.. I wish he had gone into more explanation of practical example.. Sandpaper and leather belt are intuitively not stretchy... Both of which he showed video of though

  • @kevinsmith7959
    @kevinsmith7959 2 роки тому +19

    Amazing!!! I have been working on a homemade conveyor and tracking was proving a problem. Based off this video, I wrapped layers of tape around one of the pullies (to make it convex) and it immediately started tracking perfectly! (And when I manually disrupt it, it returns to center.) Thank you!

  • @GW2_Live
    @GW2_Live 3 роки тому +516

    There is a pulley on my car that always bothered me that it's crowned, always felt like it was gonna be a problem one day. Guess I was wrong lol

    • @THRASHMETALFUNRIFFS
      @THRASHMETALFUNRIFFS 3 роки тому +7

      The idler pulley!

    • @alexanderunguez9633
      @alexanderunguez9633 3 роки тому +14

      Well, it won't be a problem until your belt starts becoming brittle. I'd assume that when it loses elasticity that this crowning effect won't be as strong.

    • @wyattroncin941
      @wyattroncin941 3 роки тому +21

      ​@@alexanderunguez9633 nope, as long as there's even a very small amount of stretch and elasticity the belt will re-center. this works even on high strength fiber belts, such as aramid cloth, or even steel bands. there isn't a need for the belt to be highly elastic.

    • @alexanderunguez9633
      @alexanderunguez9633 3 роки тому +4

      @@wyattroncin941 That's neat!

    • @SUPRAMIKE18
      @SUPRAMIKE18 3 роки тому +2

      I used to own a Chevy Blazer and the belt would constantly fall off, From what I've seen in this I should have put some crowned pulleys on it lol

  • @nyx3748
    @nyx3748 3 роки тому +194

    I love how all the science communicators on youtube reference each other in their videos

    • @adamplace1414
      @adamplace1414 3 роки тому +17

      It's true. All my favorite channels are connected somehow, even ones I wouldn't think would be like Corridor (thru Tom Scott).
      Gotta say, though.. Destin is responsible for a lot of those connections.

    • @GodlikeIridium
      @GodlikeIridium 3 роки тому +4

      Just the best ones 😉

    • @blindsightedkill
      @blindsightedkill 3 роки тому +4

      6 degrees of Kevin Bacon 🥓

    • @vigilantcosmicpenguin8721
      @vigilantcosmicpenguin8721 3 роки тому

      They know what the people want.

    • @nyx3748
      @nyx3748 3 роки тому +7

      @@adamplace1414 Yeah, I got introduced to coridoor through the slo mo guys, who in turn I was introduced to ny Destin. His channel also introduced me to stuff made here. It's just amazing the community built around this people. I would like to add that PBS eons is another amazing channel, I don't exactly remember, but I think I got into it because I am an old vlogbrothers subscriber.

  • @LFTRnow
    @LFTRnow 11 місяців тому +29

    Something else interesting (and entropy related) is when you stretch an elastic band, it gets hot. If you let it cool down and then retract it, the same area (middle mostly) that heated up will actually turn cool. Yes, it works like a refrigerant.

    • @robertellis6853
      @robertellis6853 7 місяців тому +6

      Didn't someone actually make a "refrigerator" using elastic bands stretching and contracting to illustrate that?

    • @ezet
      @ezet 7 місяців тому +3

      @@robertellis6853 at least JoergSprave did an experiment where he cooled a can of beer 2 degrees Celsius by using a rubber band

  • @rybec
    @rybec 3 роки тому +47

    That was strange for me. When I first saw it, my intuition told me the band should ride up on the pulley, but at the same time that _felt_ unintuitive. Excellent explanation.
    Also worth noting: Take two tires and connect them with an axle, but leave them free spinning. Now, accelerate the system. Next, slow down one tire but not the other. The system will turn in the direction of the breaking tire, because there is more friction on that side.
    Now, you have a band across a curved pulley. When you stretch the band, the side that is further from the opposite end is pulled tighter and thus has more friction. This will turn the band in the direction of the tighter side.
    In short, there are probably two effects causing this behavior. The stretch widening the band on one side is one effect, but the asymmetrical friction is probably also causing the band to turn toward the higher portion of the pulley as well.

    • @trashes_to_treasures
      @trashes_to_treasures 2 роки тому +7

      I was thinking of just this effect before I heard his explanation!

    • @VladSaveliev
      @VladSaveliev 2 роки тому +4

      The “turning in the direction of higher friction side” feels like a better explanation than the one in the video. The one in the video only explains why the band’s width contracts.

  • @anna-graceschumann8869
    @anna-graceschumann8869 3 роки тому +219

    1:37 I was about to make a cheeky comment like, "What if we won't permit you?" I felt clever until you showed you're more clever...

    • @SreenikethanI
      @SreenikethanI 3 роки тому

      … but then you'd made THIS comment! So, win-win?

    • @Ni999
      @Ni999 3 роки тому

      @@SreenikethanI Nope.

    • @anna-graceschumann8869
      @anna-graceschumann8869 3 роки тому

      @@SreenikethanI That feels very gracious of you XD I just won't underestimate Steve's sense of humor ever again.

  • @dynamicgecko1213
    @dynamicgecko1213 3 роки тому +690

    "Heat is just molecular jiggle"
    It's kind of unsettling how simple and accurate this is.

    • @MandelscapeDA
      @MandelscapeDA 2 роки тому +1

      Wow,
      Still NOT linear.....

    • @lordgarion514
      @lordgarion514 2 роки тому +16

      Yep, and when you measure the temperature of something, you're actually measuring the kinetic energy of the atoms.

    • @mrmangoberry8394
      @mrmangoberry8394 2 роки тому +21

      Sound is just wiggly air.

    • @jamirovega1332
      @jamirovega1332 2 роки тому +19

      My body does a lot of molecular jiggling but no one seems to think it's hot.

    • @lordgarion514
      @lordgarion514 2 роки тому +9

      @@jamirovega1332
      That's because to make it hot, you have to get your molecular jiggle in resonance with your macro wiggle. 🤓

  • @sanveersookdawe
    @sanveersookdawe 3 роки тому +14

    "Just for completeness" is so satisfying. Thank you

  • @WarriorNN
    @WarriorNN 11 місяців тому +3

    The explanation and model with the beaded strings regarding entropy was pretty cool! Haven't seen it explained so easily before.

  • @PlasmaChannel
    @PlasmaChannel 3 роки тому +2106

    Hey now, this type of pulley system looks familiar ; P It's exactly what stabilizes the band on a Van De Graaff Generator.

    • @maze3836
      @maze3836 3 роки тому +18

      Its you!

    • @nightrous3026
      @nightrous3026 3 роки тому +11

      I was thinking the same thing Jay! Nvce to see ya! Tell me what you think of my high voltage stuff. I got vids on my channel.

    • @FIRE_STORMFOX-3692
      @FIRE_STORMFOX-3692 3 роки тому +1

      Hi man!

    • @JjMn1000
      @JjMn1000 3 роки тому +3

      yes?
      Edit: why did i edit

    • @brandengillette7794
      @brandengillette7794 3 роки тому +6

      I found the exact comment I was going to say. I'm glad it came from the plasma channel tho.

  • @raydunakin
    @raydunakin 3 роки тому +1414

    I explore ghost towns and mining camps, and have seen a lot of old mines and mills which used belt-driven machinery. I have often wondered why the pulleys were slightly crowned. Now I finally know! Thanks!

    • @ByOutcast
      @ByOutcast 3 роки тому +42

      I do a lot of the drives for conveyors most of them are always crowned because of the belt wandering if it’s a long conveyor with a belt it’s likely to try and wander but with a crowned and lagged pulley it does pull it back to normality :)

    • @jonathanremruatkima5776
      @jonathanremruatkima5776 3 роки тому +15

      This was the most positive reply ive ever seen

    • @andrewsmith1735
      @andrewsmith1735 3 роки тому +2

      The belt goes the direction it leaves the surface until balance or failure. Susually.

    • @grahampcharles
      @grahampcharles 3 роки тому +3

      I'm trying to make a middle school lesson plan about this. Would you happen to have a photo of one of the antique crown pulleys you'd be willing to let me use?

    • @raydunakin
      @raydunakin 3 роки тому +3

      @@grahampcharles I don't know if I have a suitable shot of a crowned pulley, but I'll go through some of my photos and see what I can find.

  • @thanksfernuthin
    @thanksfernuthin 2 роки тому +4

    I LOVE LOVE LOVE when you guys feature each other's work.

  • @typebin
    @typebin 2 роки тому +2

    Simple yet very effective principle. I first experienced this when I made my own lathe. I needed a set of transmission pulleys and I decided to make them myself. I first tried flat ones. After few trials, I realized the belt climbs(!) the pulley and thus convex-shaped ones self-align the belt. Without any flange, it was very easy to turn with my lathe in a short time with minimal material loss. Still it worked really good. The belt slipped off only when the chuck stall accidentally with too much cutting force.

  • @AlipashaSadri
    @AlipashaSadri 3 роки тому +258

    I saw the title and the thumbnail and was like: "Duh! That's how Bandsaw blades are kept in place" (learned that from Matthias Wandel) Woodworkers ASSEMBLE! :D

    • @_rlb
      @_rlb 3 роки тому +1

      Same here!

    • @trstquint7114
      @trstquint7114 3 роки тому +2

      Exactly what I was also thinking about: my band saw. But never thought about it before in this way....

    • @earthbjornnahkaimurrao9542
      @earthbjornnahkaimurrao9542 3 роки тому +4

      Yes, Matthias is a wonderful physics teacher!

    • @trstquint7114
      @trstquint7114 3 роки тому

      @@earthbjornnahkaimurrao9542 Indeed.

    • @sbvera13
      @sbvera13 3 роки тому +2

      You mean, "hopefully" kept in place :P

  • @fromap16
    @fromap16 3 роки тому +380

    I was expecting Destin to jump and say "snatchblock" and he is there...less than a minute into the video...
    SNATCHBLOCK!

    • @TheAeonflux74
      @TheAeonflux74 3 роки тому +2

      It's not a snatch block. Alright?😎

    • @AaronzDad
      @AaronzDad 3 роки тому

      @@TheAeonflux74 SNATCHBLOCK!!!

    • @simontay4851
      @simontay4851 3 роки тому

      He didn't just say it, he's shouting.

  • @marcoabduarte
    @marcoabduarte 2 роки тому +4

    Mathias is amazing, i feel really Glad to see you recognizing his work.

  • @Nikioko
    @Nikioko 2 роки тому +1

    0:12: No, when I think of a pulley, I think of any kind of wheel that redirects the force that is applied to a string. This apparatus has four pulleys, two fixed and two loose, and it is called a tackle, which in this case reduces the necessary force to 1/4 of the weight of the load.

  • @FrozenFirestorm100
    @FrozenFirestorm100 3 роки тому +54

    Hey thanks for this! I work on a plant where we have long conveyor belts. We crown the centre of our head pullies to help centre the belts and prevent them from running skew. Been using this method for years but now i understand why it works!!💪

  • @avenuex3731
    @avenuex3731 3 роки тому +25

    “Snatch Block!!!”

  • @GodmanchesterGoblin
    @GodmanchesterGoblin 3 роки тому

    This was the first time I have understood how crowned pullies and belts work, and I have been aware of them for around 50 years... Great video! Thanks.

  • @Kaanin
    @Kaanin Рік тому

    This video helped me. The blade on my cheap, poorly made bandsaw kept slipping off due to some combination of misalignments that I couldn't quite sort out. I noticed the wheel holding the blade was flat and I remembered this video and so I used a knife and some sandpaper to reshape it to a crowned profile shape and voilà it fixed the issue!

  • @benjaminshropshire2900
    @benjaminshropshire2900 3 роки тому +49

    I suspect the spring demo would work better with a triangular lattice ... because hexagons are bestagons.

    • @martinschwaikert5433
      @martinschwaikert5433 3 роки тому +1

      Fuck it seems like we do all get suggested the same videos 🤣

  • @manuelpena3988
    @manuelpena3988 3 роки тому +60

    I really like that every time you anthropomorfize anything ( a virus, an electron...) you say it at loud :)

  • @Grimmance
    @Grimmance 5 місяців тому +1

    Its a physical visible description of the bernouli principal (in reverse) the slower part of the elastic wants to move faster, while the faster part wants to be the same speed as the slower, so it all pushes towards the slowest lowest energy part.

  • @N1ghtR1der666
    @N1ghtR1der666 3 роки тому

    literally the first time i have ever followed up on a sponsor, what a good idea this blinkist is for those that want to know more but dont have the time to read! thank you

  • @mohammedumar1580
    @mohammedumar1580 3 роки тому +151

    5:14 are those the same metal beads you were using when you discovered the groundbreaking mould effect?! The greatest effect known to science.

    • @SteveMould
      @SteveMould  3 роки тому +97

      They are

    • @DavidGuild
      @DavidGuild 3 роки тому +11

      @@SteveMould Was this video just an excuse to play with them again?

    • @judgeomega
      @judgeomega 3 роки тому +8

      @@SteveMould you need to put those behind glass. such a historic artifact should be protected!

    • @BeheadedKamikaze
      @BeheadedKamikaze 3 роки тому +2

      @@judgeomega You would not have been able to experience their "molecular jiggle", were he to have done that

    • @leif1075
      @leif1075 3 роки тому

      @@SteveMould Hey you never responded to my comment on your other video. Hope you can respond when you can. Thanks.

  • @wouthartveld6226
    @wouthartveld6226 3 роки тому +277

    Steve Mould: "Heat is just molecular jiggle." 2021
    Definitely gonna remember that one😁

    • @TeslaElonSpaceXFan
      @TeslaElonSpaceXFan 3 роки тому +8

      Heat is just a particles movement speed. Its means, if u want reach 0K (absolute zero) u need stop all particles.

    • @kevinmcdonough9097
      @kevinmcdonough9097 3 роки тому +14

      Search "Richard Feynman rubber bands" and you'll actually find a hilarious old video of the brilliant physicist explaining the rubber band phenomenon as jiggling strings. This video was clearly heavily inspired by that original. When Feynman wasn't inventing new physics, he was a huge fan of using accessible language and imagery to explain complex physics, including frequent references to jiggling atoms.

    • @Just_A_Dude
      @Just_A_Dude 3 роки тому +10

      @@TeslaElonSpaceXFan "Are you 0K?" "Yeah, I'm cool."

    • @hdezn26
      @hdezn26 3 роки тому +2

      @@Just_A_Dude Nah, thats CoLD!

    • @techspot871
      @techspot871 3 роки тому +1

      My fingers have touched molecular jiggling food...and I didn't enjoy it.

  • @noahman27
    @noahman27 3 роки тому

    Steve - i love your videos! Came here from Destin's channel. You guys are so great. Thanks for doin' what you're doing.

  • @TannerSwizel
    @TannerSwizel 10 місяців тому

    Wow, a mention of my two other favorite channels! I wish I had known of you 2 years ago as it happened, but I'm here now ☺️

  • @fabianpachano77
    @fabianpachano77 3 роки тому +64

    Just a recommendation, in the discretization you should use triangles instead of squares. This avoids the rotation of the individual elements at the nodes and produces a more accurate deformation of the whole system

  • @bartmeeuwsen8880
    @bartmeeuwsen8880 3 роки тому +230

    Always get a good laugh out of Destin's snatch block clip

    • @AugustMcKenna
      @AugustMcKenna 3 роки тому +6

      SNATCH BLOCK!

    • @finnmcrae
      @finnmcrae 3 роки тому +6

      I found it annoying by the end of the video 🙈

    • @mikieswart
      @mikieswart 3 роки тому +5

      SNATCH BLOCK!

    • @Robert_McGarry_Poems
      @Robert_McGarry_Poems 3 роки тому +3

      snatch block
      SNATCH BLOCK
      *SNATCH BLOCK*

    • @simontay4851
      @simontay4851 3 роки тому +1

      He's not funny, he's annoying. I couldn't finish watching Destin's video about that. He's too shouty and overly dramatic.

  • @wolfkermek
    @wolfkermek 3 роки тому +3

    The jiggling chains was such an intuitive visual model, amazing video yet again

  • @txwombat7826
    @txwombat7826 2 роки тому +1

    Yup - always travels the the highest point... I learnt about this working for my Father - he engineered many large industrial band saw machines for the Aluminum industry where the blade was riding a crowned wheel (with no lip to hold the blade on). It reduces the overall stress on the blade = more cuts per blade / better productivity etc.....

  • @edplume7580
    @edplume7580 3 роки тому +21

    "And just for completion..." Oooh yeah. I like the way you try not to leave loose ends. Your videos are well-packaged.

  • @likithstochastic
    @likithstochastic 3 роки тому +10

    Rubber band chain analogy is the best part of this video. 5:35 pretty much explains everything!

  • @JasonBolte
    @JasonBolte 2 роки тому

    Great explanation! That makes it easy to understand now. Thanks for posting this.

  • @sternwheeler
    @sternwheeler 2 роки тому +1

    I fix old audio equipment as a hobby. Old cassette decks, turntables, open reel tape decks, etc. Crowned pulleys are common, and I’ve always known THAT they work, but now I understand why. Thank you!

  • @acn1580
    @acn1580 3 роки тому +8

    Steve, you are by far one of the best educators on youtube. I love a lot of the popular ones, Tom Scott, Kyle Hill, Destin and Derek Muller, etc. But every video you make I find myself going "Ohhh! Of course!" at some point in time. And your curiosity and passion for things that we otherwise just kinda take for granted is infectious. Thanks for what you do.

  • @TheDevice9
    @TheDevice9 3 роки тому +12

    This seems entirely intuitive to me because I worked with belts and pulleys on newspaper presses and delivery systems for a long time. It was a common practice to move the belt position a bit by adding a small piece of tape to one side of the pulley. Or shift the the entire web of paper passing between press units by putting a small piece of tape on a roller that is acting as a pulley guiding the web. I always imagined it had to do with changing the diameter of the pulley on one side, making the belt 'climb' to the high side but I never thought a lot about exactly why it did this. I imagined it pulling harder on one side of the belt. It sounds like I was making it into a sort of crowned pulley, or altering the crown of a that type of pulley.

  • @slimslimonstar8454
    @slimslimonstar8454 Рік тому

    Lots of conveyor belts at work have a crowned side, but this explaination of that is pretty cool.

  • @cfranco714
    @cfranco714 2 роки тому

    I love that he keeps telling you the reasons for the reasons for the reasons and just after he makes you think more reasons are too complicated, boom! a video explaining those reasons!

  • @superjugy
    @superjugy 3 роки тому +162

    "SNATCHBLOCK!" Hahahaha, I died with those clips. loved that episode.

  • @jhonbus
    @jhonbus 3 роки тому +80

    I hear that Continuum of Springiness are releasing a new album this year.

    • @P_Ezi
      @P_Ezi 3 роки тому +10

      Maybe they can get Molecular Jiggle to open for them.

    • @TheRealInscrutable
      @TheRealInscrutable 3 роки тому

      Are they heavy metal?

    • @rogermccaslin5963
      @rogermccaslin5963 3 роки тому +2

      Yes. Pent Up Energy is the follow up to their debut album Spring Sprang Sprung.

    • @simontay4851
      @simontay4851 3 роки тому +1

      Are boing boing and twang some of the tracks.

  • @derrickj.freeman276
    @derrickj.freeman276 5 місяців тому

    Thank you for this explanation of a concept.

  • @randomusername396
    @randomusername396 2 роки тому

    I respect you so much for always trying to give credit to the other people who have also made videos about whatever the topic is. It's something not many people do on UA-cam.

  • @ThePlyb
    @ThePlyb 3 роки тому +51

    This entire channel is basically the "why" game kids play, I love it

    • @kimarna
      @kimarna 3 роки тому +5

      "why" should always be encouraged

    • @Brib8888
      @Brib8888 3 роки тому +1

      @@kimarna seriously, literally all decisions should have a "why" behind them. It's my favorite thing to ask when someone gets mad at me xd

  • @ThioJoe
    @ThioJoe 3 роки тому +298

    With your explanation of rubber bands + the video of Richard Feynman explaining them, i think i finally get it

    • @zyansheep
      @zyansheep 3 роки тому +6

      Didn't expect to see you here...

    • @Roriloty
      @Roriloty 3 роки тому +2

      doesn't expect you was here!

    • @nathanroberson
      @nathanroberson 3 роки тому +1

      He is my favorite rubber band refrigerator designer. Feynman forever🌸

    • @MrDaniyalAh
      @MrDaniyalAh 2 роки тому +3

      Oh so the scammer is trying to learn some science now

    • @JabirAH
      @JabirAH 2 роки тому +2

      Didn't expect to see you here... (3)

  • @jerrywtt
    @jerrywtt 3 роки тому

    You’ve definitely succeeded in adding to Matthias Wandels video. Very informative and super enjoyable to watch!

    • @nenmaster5218
      @nenmaster5218 2 роки тому

      This Channel here reminds me of Hbomberguy;
      my Favorite Place to learn.
      Well, that and Veritsaium.

  • @anatexis_the_first
    @anatexis_the_first 3 роки тому

    Haha, didn't expect the SNATCH BLOCK! scene with destin! :D got a good laugh out of that, thanks! Great video, man.
    On a sidenote, a video of Steve Mould anthropomorphizing random things is something we absolutely need :D

  • @Mike__B
    @Mike__B 3 роки тому +45

    I used to tell my students that you can actually feel the entropy change in a stretched rubber band as a temperature change, by using your lip as a thermometer as that part of your body is much more sensitive to changes in temperature. So fun to see a room of students stretching and relaxing rubber bands and claiming "I can feel it warmer/cooler!!"

    • @chaos.corner
      @chaos.corner 3 роки тому +13

      Someone tried to make an elastic band refrigerator. Didn't work out too well as I recall but interesting nonetheless.

    • @kevinthealienfpv
      @kevinthealienfpv 3 роки тому +8

      @@chaos.corner Not sure if they were the only ones who did it, but the Myth busters did that. I remember the whole whacky contraption with tons of rubber bands designed to stretch outside the "refrigerator" and contract inside.
      I too remember it not working particularly well, but it did create a (neglible) temperature difference.

    • @chaos.corner
      @chaos.corner 3 роки тому +9

      @@kevinthealienfpv I looked it up. It was on the UA-cam channel "applied science".

    • @gabem949
      @gabem949 3 роки тому

      @@chaos.corner i watched a video about that a long long time ago lol

  • @atuttle
    @atuttle 3 роки тому +80

    SNATCH BLOCK! Also, Bandsaws use crowned pulleys on the wheels.

    • @ps.2
      @ps.2 3 роки тому +2

      Does this really work with a bandsaw? As the video demonstrates, the self-centering property seems to be caused by elasticity, and bandsaws have very little of that.

    • @fewwiggle
      @fewwiggle 3 роки тому

      Wheels?

    • @atuttle
      @atuttle 3 роки тому +1

      @@ps.2 They may be there for different reasons, but bandsaw wheels are definitely crowned.

    • @martinusmagneson
      @martinusmagneson 3 роки тому +13

      @@ps.2 The bands of a bandsaw are very elastic, you're just not strong enough to notice :)

    • @Lizlodude
      @Lizlodude 3 роки тому +6

      @@ps.2 Everything is elastic if you try hard enough ;)

  • @yoavmatia
    @yoavmatia 3 роки тому

    you are a brilliant science communicator! proud to be a Patreon of yours.

  • @mattpellico5255
    @mattpellico5255 2 роки тому

    Something you glossed over in this explanation is that this centering works even on a flat belt with very little tension. Hard to put this into words, but I would say that the end effect of angling the the belt off from its 'length' alignment causes the belt to climb toward the crown of the pulley. For many flat belt machinery tasks the belt is quite laterally stiff (does not flex along its width dimension) and can be under very little tension.
    Often times a tractor does not need to line up its drive pulley perfectly parallel to the driven pulley to keep the belt in place well enough. Twisting the belt is done to reverse the pulley rotation as needed. The broad surface of the belt provides enough friction to turn the pulleys even with low tension. One rule of thumb I have heard is 1 hp per inch (of belt width). This power ratio works even with a slack belt, but it increases with tension.

  • @mollago
    @mollago 3 роки тому +42

    "Heat is just molecular jiggle"

  • @WarpRulez
    @WarpRulez 3 роки тому +57

    "When you extend it, it wants to be short again."
    "You are anthropomorphizing an inanimate object."
    "Ok, I'll put it in terms you'll understand: A shorter rubber band is energetically favorable."

    • @birdlady2725
      @birdlady2725 3 роки тому

      I think I'm a reincarnated rubber band Lol! Short....

  • @electronale
    @electronale 2 роки тому

    thank you so so so much for this! i was looking for this kind of pulley for my 3dprinter belt. now they dont slip from the gantry! thank you so much!

  • @Aaron.Reichert
    @Aaron.Reichert 2 роки тому

    10 months after I origionally watched this and it just now became relevant to something I am designing for my brother.
    Thanks!

  • @buzzzysin
    @buzzzysin 3 роки тому +18

    "Atomic Jiggle" is my new favourite word for thermal energy

    • @theincapable
      @theincapable 3 роки тому

      What you probably mean by heat is called thermal energy in physics. Thermal energy is what is already there in contrast to heat which is the energy that is transferred.
      But the latter would also make sense for atomic jiggle / jiggling. So maybe this what you meant all along.

    • @kevinbryan9620
      @kevinbryan9620 3 роки тому +2

      Atomic Jiggle sounds like a physicist's dance move

    • @birdlady2725
      @birdlady2725 3 роки тому

      New bumper sticker for menopausal women Lol! "Going through an increased Atomic Jiggle. Beware."

    • @buzzzysin
      @buzzzysin 3 роки тому +1

      @@theincapable thanks, been a "hot" minute since my last physics lesson

  • @Myopicvisions
    @Myopicvisions 3 роки тому +23

    As a woodworker, I learned about this when I bought my first bandsaw. The wheels are "crowned" and we adjust the angle of one of the wheels to center the part of the blade we want to ride on the crown.

    • @DanHoke
      @DanHoke 2 роки тому +2

      It's interesting to me that this works even though the bandsaw blade is a fairly rigid structure.

    • @garethbaus5471
      @garethbaus5471 2 роки тому +2

      @@DanHoke most 2x72 belts are also pretty stiff.

    • @legionofanon
      @legionofanon 2 роки тому

      Horizontal band saws are just like vertical saws, but with a twist

  • @jacostilla
    @jacostilla 2 роки тому

    Adding a bit to the model. Ruber is a thermoset, meaning the spaghetti is held together at specific points in the chain. Those anchor points also help with the "memory" of the elastomeric molecular chain in the very specific case of a rubber band. Great explanation of heat and movement!

  • @ethanlewis1453
    @ethanlewis1453 10 місяців тому

    It was so polite of you to allow me to reject your anthropomorphism of the rubber band! Much appreciation!

  • @DrakiniteOfficial
    @DrakiniteOfficial 3 роки тому +3

    Steve, you are so good at taking complex phenomena and explaining them with easy to understand, real world analogies and models. You're one of my favorite creators. Thanks for being such a great educator and making such fantastic content.

  • @tubewatcher77
    @tubewatcher77 3 роки тому +17

    I was always wondering, when I saw old pictures about machines with transmission belts, why they wouldn't slip off easily. Because I couldn't see a rim on the wheels.

  • @andrewdewar8159
    @andrewdewar8159 2 роки тому

    When I was a mechanical apprentice they made us do the maths for belt drives. I can't remember it now but you had to know the tenstion on the tight and the loose side . They told us that belts move up on pulleys. It there are several diameters on the same axle, each diameter curves up to the step / shoulder to the next pulley. They made us calculate for V belts as well. Never used it. Thanks for explaining it.

  • @at6727
    @at6727 3 роки тому

    i once saw ur video when this was a small channel.... but now Steve is close to 1 million!!!! congrats!!

  • @ZopcsakFeri
    @ZopcsakFeri 3 роки тому +5

    Matthias Wandel's video is so old it's Mouldy now! :D
    But I do remember his explanation back then and it was fantastic! He basically tele-fixed my bandsaw! He is the most underrated youtuber that has ever existed, more people should be aware of his works

  • @mandisaplaylist
    @mandisaplaylist 3 роки тому +11

    5:18 This entropy has a name, it is called "mixing entropy". When you stretch the rubber, it unmixes (due to becoming ordered in the direction of stretching) and the heat will then remix it back.

    • @theincapable
      @theincapable 3 роки тому

      Isn't entropy always connected to some kind of mixing / dispersion?

    • @birdlady2725
      @birdlady2725 3 роки тому

      It is amazing. I wish I had had YT when I was young, as it seems I am understanding more by the way these show n tell ways so not so bright people like me can understand better. Thank you for taking the time to teach.

  • @ColMcWillis
    @ColMcWillis 2 роки тому +2

    Huge fan of Matthias's builds, especially his Pantograph routers

  • @bradshymon8012
    @bradshymon8012 2 роки тому

    Thanks for the informative video! 👌 however all natural changes are driven by maximizing entropy, I believe your analogy on why the rubber band contracts is hard to get. The rubber molecules have low entropy & low potential energy, while relaxed (not stretched). They tend to contract when being stretched since their molecule bonds deform ( net of springs are handy), thus to get back to their original form(lower energy & a bit higher entropy status), they contract.

  • @bardes18
    @bardes18 3 роки тому +29

    !!EDIT!! I totally had things the other way around, thx EntropicTroponin for the head up!
    5:40 Another interesting (and rather counter intuitive) fact is that when you quickly stretch a rubber band it will actually get hotter. It's kinda analogous to an adiabatic expansion, but in reverse. If you let it get back to ambient temperature before contracting again, then it'll get colder.

    • @l0k048
      @l0k048 3 роки тому +5

      what if this happened to gasses, and we cooled then down while high pressure to cool down the air when at low pressure... waaaait..

    • @internetuser8922
      @internetuser8922 3 роки тому +6

      didn't someone try to make a refrigerator system using this fact?

    • @Oxytropis1
      @Oxytropis1 3 роки тому +5

      @@internetuser8922 Applied Science did a vid on it 4 years ago

    • @EntropicTroponin
      @EntropicTroponin 3 роки тому +10

      It's the other way around. Stretching causes it to heat up, while letting it come back cools it down. This is because the heat is used to do work (pull the elastic back). It's a cool effect... Pun intended

    • @hrld6892
      @hrld6892 3 роки тому

      learnt this from Jeorg Sprave ages ago when i was but a wee lad obsessed with slingshots (I may in fact still be obsessed with slingshots).

  • @guilhermetorresj
    @guilhermetorresj 3 роки тому +6

    4:57 That explanation kinda of fits most of what happens in our universe, if you think about it.

  • @skeeterburke
    @skeeterburke 3 роки тому +2

    So technically gifted with words, thanks for giving my brain a break when you say "not doing the thing" at 4:00 😆

  • @markriley24
    @markriley24 3 роки тому

    I volunteer at a Koreshan State park in Estero Florida in the winters.
    We work on and demonstrate antique machines that use pulleys that use this technique.
    They still work!

  • @williamreynolds6132
    @williamreynolds6132 3 роки тому +6

    I pictured Destin getting a good laugh out of this video. You’re both so great at presenting a topic/concept.

  • @CuriousDoc
    @CuriousDoc 3 роки тому +5

    Cheers for the blinkist recommendation Steve. I sometimes skip over sponsored content but I found blinkist really useful over the past few months to digest content :)

  • @testiesmcgee9019
    @testiesmcgee9019 2 роки тому +1

    Matthias is an incredible creator. I love his vaned extraction blowers etc

  • @2000heshe
    @2000heshe 2 роки тому

    where have you been in my school days, beautiful job

  • @nizarch22
    @nizarch22 3 роки тому +3

    You can see he's starting to get into creating prototypes of concepts more and more frequently as time moves on. Everyone loves that.

  • @GrubbyZebra
    @GrubbyZebra 3 роки тому +7

    I always knew these were self-centering (since seeing them on my hoover), now I know why!

  • @AntonioClaudioMichael
    @AntonioClaudioMichael 2 роки тому +1

    Very intriguing video and awesome explanation

  • @captain_box
    @captain_box 11 місяців тому +3

    These are often used in vacuums on the brush and are a great example!

  • @radicalxedward8047
    @radicalxedward8047 3 роки тому +11

    I hate when reviewers, science channels, etc say they avoid covering stuff other people have already covered.
    I watch that channel because I like the way they explain things or their presentation style or because I wouldn’t think to learn about that topic otherwise, etc. like I never would have thought to look up an 11 year old video about crowned pulleys but it’s an interesting thing.
    I wish youtubers would just talk about stuff they find interesting rather than worrying so much about what other youtubers are doing.

    • @SteveMould
      @SteveMould  3 роки тому +1

      Interesting perspective, thank you. I'm going to take that on board.

  • @soreg666alex
    @soreg666alex 3 роки тому +8

    5:00
    I heard "elastic bands are made of rubber witches" and was like "what?"

    • @cemcankaya6178
      @cemcankaya6178 3 роки тому

      Issa "pöllymar"

    • @bleepbloop269
      @bleepbloop269 2 роки тому

      😂 same and I can’t unhear it

    • @PadraigTomas
      @PadraigTomas 2 роки тому

      Does he mean the sort of witch that wears rubber? Isn't that kinda weird?

  • @chriscubbernuss3288
    @chriscubbernuss3288 3 роки тому +1

    This was a great collaboration with Destin. You guys should work together more often.

  • @bartk07
    @bartk07 2 роки тому

    From the bandsaw to the entropy in 8 minutes. Brilliant!

  • @kenf6662
    @kenf6662 3 роки тому +4

    We have been crowning wheels for bandsaw blades for years, amazing how engineering works

  • @eliaschmidt9035
    @eliaschmidt9035 3 роки тому +6

    This was absolute class. You can really tell that Steve has *way* deeper knowledge of all of this than what he shows in the video and yet makes it easy to understand for everyone. I'm impressed. Chapeau

  • @mliittsc63
    @mliittsc63 10 місяців тому +1

    Funny, I've thought about this before in the context of the leather belts that were used up until the early 20th century in industrial or farm machinery, and never created a satisfying answer for myself. Until I looked at the thumbnail for this video and saw that the belt was a rubber band. I just never thought of the leather belt as being elastic. If you think about the friction increasing as the band moves toward the center it makes perfect sense.

  • @rashiro7262
    @rashiro7262 2 роки тому +1

    I don't know if my explanation is correct but I think the reason the band doesn't fall of is the following: the part of the rubber-band that is closer to the middle is stretched more, therefore it has to cover more distance compared to the part of the band further away from the middle. This creates and internal stress in the band that pulls it towards the middle.