@@flofroschmayer cheers. I had to make a lot of sacrifice to be able to afford a 2nd hand body and three 2nd hand lenses. Sold stuff…man was it worth it 🙂. Yeah that blue filter looks good on misty days. I did a shoot recently, very misty, coastal town, and the filter gave an eerie feel. I’ve used my yellow 12 before and it doesn’t give the eerie effect as much (if you know what I mean)
I'm sorry. I said I wouldn't ever buy a Monochrom because I thought I could get similar results with my M10. Well, I caught the bug from watching your video and others. I got a used M10 Monochrom today and I've been running down the battery to see what the camera can do. So far, I'm really blown away. The noise really does look like film grain and makes for a nice creative effect. The M10 Monochrom design is a substantial update from the M10 also. I've got some color filters coming in the mail. What a great camera! I'm very happy with it.
Never tried it... I guess if you stack color filters, the order will have an impact. Let's say blue and yellow should turn into green, right? Then, you should have the green filter effect. I might try this out sometime soon.
I have the m10m and I have the ir72 red filter, orange filter and the yellow. Unless I’m shooting for IR, I mostly have the orange filter on the lens as I like the effect it has on the wife.
@@flofroschmayer yes and by the way it does not "reduce imperfection", it cannot do that it just lightens the skin tones and slightly reduces the contrast on sky which make the imperfections slightly less visible but does not quite reduce them ;o)
I started off with a red filter during a recent trip in the mountains. I was using my film Nikon during that trip and even with a relatively flat film stock I was able to get stunning contrast out from the negatives. What an eye opener. I did the exact same test as yours with my two different digital cameras, the results were very different, but equally disappointing lol. Right before UA-cam showed me your video I ordered an orange filter for my Leica, can’t wait to try it out!
Excellent comparison of the 3 main colour filters. In the days of film only I always used them for B&W film. Today I when I purchased my Q2M I immediately reached for my old filters but for my type of photography (Street, buildings City Scape) for mono I always have my Orange filter best compromise between the 3. Now have the M11M instead but my lenses shared with my M11 but filters are always in my bag when I go out with the M11M just not perm fitted to the lens.
Interesting video. I liked when you had the images taken without filter and with 3 different filters on the same screen/image so that we could stop and compare. Now two precisions : 1-if going from a Y to R via Or increases contrast, the effect of these filters is a little subtler : a given colored filter will let the light of the same color go through, and as a result lighten those details and block off the opposite color (make everything of the opposite color darker and anything of a slightly different color slightly a darker gray). So, for instance a Yellow filter will lighten everything vegetal because it has a lot of yellow, green will to that too but to a lesser extent (so green can be useful in landscape photography as well as yellow. I used to have one most of the time rather than a useless (in normal conditions) UV filter.By the way there are different densities of yellow to choose from. With film a yellow even light yellow filter was very useful as BW film is more sensitive to blue light than the human eye (as a result the clouds have a tendency to "disappear" it was even worse in the 19th century when the materials were extremely sensitive to blue light (and not so much to red). As a consequence the skies were blank/empty/white and had to be added in the darkroom far before Photoshop ;o) 2- a"chip" is colloquial for micro-processor, not sensor. What you mean is sensor. By the way converting a color image into BW is best done on a computer with an image-processing software that allows you to play with the sliders for different colors. It is far more precise and creative in terms of BW rendition than any other ways as it allows you to combine and control the effects of several filters at the same time. I often use Photoshop or Lightroom and lightens the yellows in my landscape photography while darken the blues and cyans and working on the reds at the same time. Best,
Thank you for clarifying... I was not aware that they are different densities in the color filters... but makes sense of course... I thought about mentioning your point about the color sliders in LR or PS in the video, but I decided I want it to be about the monochrom camera... I used the sliders that in the past, but I actually never thought about why for example the yellow slider reacts in a certain way... not until I made this video ;-) / And yes... chip, sensor, card... english is - as anyone can hear - not my first language.
Sure you can process your work in Lightroom… but you can only work with what you got… color filters can help to get you information you would not get without the filters.
These filters also reduce the amount of light available to the sensor, negating to some degree the sensitivity advantage of a monochrome sensor over the typical color one. If you always use such a filter you might as well use a color camera and convert to black and white, where you can adjust the relative amounts of the colors after the fact and have the freedom that affords.
I understand your point. Sure. I like the process of planning and knowing what I am doing when taking the photo… and do as less post as possible… the main reason why the Monochrom interested me. I decide before shooting that it is going to be black and white… Somewhat still fascinated by not having all freedoms afterwards ;-)
Yes and not quite. Using a light Y filter works and is far less detrimental to the light reaching the sensor than the B and R filters of the Bayer array.
With a B&W sensor camera you CANT adjust the 'relative amounts of colours after the fact', as you suggest, because there is NO colour data captured! Thats the whole point. You can adjust the tones only but if you have a B&W sensor you need to adjust the contrast when taking the shot. Its totally different to the results when converting a colour file to B&W in post processing.
Love my typ 246 and my yellow 12, red 25 and red 29 filters. Such a lovely lovely black and white camera…..no regrets…..ever
Congratulations!
@@flofroschmayer cheers. I had to make a lot of sacrifice to be able to afford a 2nd hand body and three 2nd hand lenses. Sold stuff…man was it worth it 🙂. Yeah that blue filter looks good on misty days. I did a shoot recently, very misty, coastal town, and the filter gave an eerie feel. I’ve used my yellow 12 before and it doesn’t give the eerie effect as much (if you know what I mean)
I'm sorry. I said I wouldn't ever buy a Monochrom because I thought I could get similar results with my M10. Well, I caught the bug from watching your video and others. I got a used M10 Monochrom today and I've been running down the battery to see what the camera can do. So far, I'm really blown away. The noise really does look like film grain and makes for a nice creative effect. The M10 Monochrom design is a substantial update from the M10 also. I've got some color filters coming in the mail. What a great camera! I'm very happy with it.
No reason to be sorry! It's fantastic that you are happy with it! Let me know which filter you like most!
The problem, or the advantage is that noise does not really show up before 12500 ISO ;o)
@@flofroschmayer do you have links to the filters, which name brand did you use?
@@stewartcotton9954Get B+W or Heliopan. My Leica dealer sells Heliopan and Hoya- the Hoya are much cheaper but do I question the quality? (Not really)
@@stewartcotton9954 They are expensive, but I really like B+W filters. They can be ordered at B&H.
FF-you should try a green filter on your Monochrome for portraits. It might surprise you. Thanks again for your inspirational videos.
Okay... I will look into that. Thank you for the tip!
Excellent presentation. That's what a B&W photographer would look for. Hope this equally applies to Pentax K3 Monochrome camera.
Thank you! I guess color filter should behave better he same with any native monochrome sensor.
Den Sensor anlügen - you made my day!
;-) - sehr gerne!
I really found this an interesting video. It is very well done. Thank you and best regards. I have Leica equipment just for fun.
RS. Canada
Fun is great!! Enjoy you Leica equipment!!
Thank you very much for this video. I just started my journey photographing with black and white film, and his really helped.
Thank YOU! And enjoy your B&W journey!
So glad that I found your channel.
Thank you!!
It would be interesting to see the result from attaching all three filters at once.
Never tried it... I guess if you stack color filters, the order will have an impact. Let's say blue and yellow should turn into green, right? Then, you should have the green filter effect. I might try this out sometime soon.
Surely stacking that any filters and that amount would affect the quality of the picture taken?
I have the m10m and I have the ir72 red filter, orange filter and the yellow. Unless I’m shooting for IR, I mostly have the orange filter on the lens as I like the effect it has on the wife.
I am sure the wife looks also great without a filter ;-) - but of course, the orange is perfect for skin tones!
@@flofroschmayer yes and by the way it does not "reduce imperfection", it cannot do that it just lightens the skin tones and slightly reduces the contrast on sky which make the imperfections slightly less visible but does not quite reduce them ;o)
I started off with a red filter during a recent trip in the mountains. I was using my film Nikon during that trip and even with a relatively flat film stock I was able to get stunning contrast out from the negatives. What an eye opener. I did the exact same test as yours with my two different digital cameras, the results were very different, but equally disappointing lol. Right before UA-cam showed me your video I ordered an orange filter for my Leica, can’t wait to try it out!
Cool! Let me know how you like the orange filter! - And which Nikon film camera do you own?
@@flofroschmayer I have an FM3A. I use my Leica m4 for street and Fm3a for everything else. One of the best SLRs ever made
Great simple explanation to your color filters video on monochrome sensor camera 👍
I am happy you like it. Thank you for the feedback!
Excellent comparison of the 3 main colour filters. In the days of film only I always used them for B&W film. Today I when I purchased my Q2M I immediately reached for my old filters but for my type of photography (Street, buildings City Scape) for mono I always have my Orange filter best compromise between the 3. Now have the M11M instead but my lenses shared with my M11 but filters are always in my bag when I go out with the M11M just not perm fitted to the lens.
Sounds like a perfect solution! Thanks for sharing! Enjoy your M11 and M11M!!
lol, I bought more lenses so I don’t need to change filters between M10M and M10R.
Interesting video. I liked when you had the images taken without filter and with 3 different filters on the same screen/image so that we could stop and compare.
Now two precisions :
1-if going from a Y to R via Or increases contrast, the effect of these filters is a little subtler : a given colored filter will let the light of the same color go through, and as a result lighten those details and block off the opposite color (make everything of the opposite color darker and anything of a slightly different color slightly a darker gray). So, for instance a Yellow filter will lighten everything vegetal because it has a lot of yellow, green will to that too but to a lesser extent (so green can be useful in landscape photography as well as yellow. I used to have one most of the time rather than a useless (in normal conditions) UV filter.By the way there are different densities of yellow to choose from. With film a yellow even light yellow filter was very useful as BW film is more sensitive to blue light than the human eye (as a result the clouds have a tendency to "disappear" it was even worse in the 19th century when the materials were extremely sensitive to blue light (and not so much to red). As a consequence the skies were blank/empty/white and had to be added in the darkroom far before Photoshop ;o)
2- a"chip" is colloquial for micro-processor, not sensor. What you mean is sensor.
By the way converting a color image into BW is best done on a computer with an image-processing software that allows you to play with the sliders for different colors. It is far more precise and creative in terms of BW rendition than any other ways as it allows you to combine and control the effects of several filters at the same time. I often use Photoshop or Lightroom and lightens the yellows in my landscape photography while darken the blues and cyans and working on the reds at the same time.
Best,
Thank you for clarifying... I was not aware that they are different densities in the color filters... but makes sense of course... I thought about mentioning your point about the color sliders in LR or PS in the video, but I decided I want it to be about the monochrom camera... I used the sliders that in the past, but I actually never thought about why for example the yellow slider reacts in a certain way... not until I made this video ;-) / And yes... chip, sensor, card... english is - as anyone can hear - not my first language.
@@flofroschmayerI am not a native English speaker either but I have taught photography in the US for a few years. Keep the good work going!
Blue filter is supposed to be good for misty days. What do others think?
Very good question! Anyone??
How is your experience with post. Can the filter effect be achieved fully there? Thanks
Not excatly the same.
For me, everything you can do in camera will always look more organic.
What about doing this in lightroom?
Sure you can process your work in Lightroom… but you can only work with what you got… color filters can help to get you information you would not get without the filters.
These filters also reduce the amount of light available to the sensor, negating to some degree the sensitivity advantage of a monochrome sensor over the typical color one. If you always use such a filter you might as well use a color camera and convert to black and white, where you can adjust the relative amounts of the colors after the fact and have the freedom that affords.
I understand your point. Sure.
I like the process of planning and knowing what I am doing when taking the photo… and do as less post as possible… the main reason why the Monochrom interested me. I decide before shooting that it is going to be black and white… Somewhat still fascinated by not having all freedoms afterwards ;-)
Yes and not quite. Using a light Y filter works and is far less detrimental to the light reaching the sensor than the B and R filters of the Bayer array.
With a B&W sensor camera you CANT adjust the 'relative amounts of colours after the fact', as you suggest, because there is NO colour data captured! Thats the whole point. You can adjust the tones only but if you have a B&W sensor you need to adjust the contrast when taking the shot. Its totally different to the results when converting a colour file to B&W in post processing.