@ 70.00 an hour minimum, paying a shop to do all this would be maybe 350.00, possibly more. Just putting a chain on a normal bike is around 75.00 all in these days at a shop, a 10 minute job at home. Chain runs 19.00. I would never, ever, pay any shop to work on my bikes.
I meant more that some people might not have the tools or confidence to handle some tasks. The more you can do yourself the better with anything in life.
@@iuliannagy1554 I live in nor cal, 70 dollars an hour is what a bike shop charges. I would never pay that, Ive always worked on my own bikes.....most work on bikes a kid could do, not all but most.
Excellent stuff Neill. I'm comfortable doing about 70% of that myself,the rest I'd get a LBS to do since I haven't got the tools or time, and it supports them and keeps the LBS going. Also, my Bosch eMTB uses a rotor mounted magnet for the speed sensor (Mondraker Crafty R) so not all Bosch ebikes need the valve sensor.
Many motors have no internal maintenance so there is no cost. For Brose you'd want to replace the belt every 1000km just in case so it doesn't blow up on you during a ride. But Shimano and Bosch there is no maintenance.
The alignment of the derailleur hanger is a very overlooked service item. I had problems with one of my bikes which I could never get quite correct - until I bought one of the (cheaper - but good) tools. The derailleur was only a little out - but correcting it made all the difference. Ps. As soon as you get a new bike get a spare hanger. As usual Neil - brilliant vieo. Good to see you doing vids. All the best, regards Tony Sadler South Wales UK 🏴
1st thing that goes on a bike for me is a derailleur bash guard. Ive bent so many hangars, it doesnt take much force. Stupid component if you ask me, dont bend them with the bashguard on. I think they originially were made to stop from breaking the derailleur, now you still need it to stop from breaking the hangar which is easier to bend.
Nice video! Hopefully bike manufacturers will stop using those headsets with internal cable routing! Headsets without cables running through them are so much cleaner and waterproof.
I love being in Canada for bike service. Im disabled, my bike is no different than a wheelchair to the government, every bike service I pay for can be written off on taxes as a medical expense. So every spring I take my bikes for a full service, about $300 plus parts and write it off as a tax expense.
Kenevo 3 yrs / 2 motors , 3 tcu,s , lots of cassettes and chains , pads. Good fun but its made me love my pedal bikes even more . And I’m fitter 😂. Water kills these things . Still ride it occasionally for a treat 😊
Absolutely water kills EMTB's. Evidently no serious thought was ever given to water proofing these things and still isnt. One friend submerged the motor on his 10,000,00 EMTB..............once, in one day, silty water got inside and now he ignores the noise it makes like it will go away. Ive ran my dirtbikes up to the muffler in water with minimal problems, EMTB is not like that.
The fact that you fell for the emtb bullshit is funny. Glad you learned your lesson. E bikes should only be commuters and gravel bikes at best. You're asking for major money burning headaches on trails. Experiencing what you have experienced.
No it didn't. 0.001% was ebike related. Remove battery and no servicing of motor - whoopee. This did not address motor bearings or anything ebike useful. Let's take the stuff he did cover, there's no timeframe or frequency indicated due to extra weight or strain of ebike, so you have absolutely no better clue now than before the video.
Great Video and worth doing regularly. I have done all of this and more on my various bikes and I firmly believe the more work you do on a bike the better you understand it as well as saving money. There are plenty of good 'How to' videos online these days from both manufacturers and fellow MTB'ers. 2 key things... always use the correct tools, spares and consumables and most importantly give yourself time to do it properly.
Im so screwed. It’s been 2.5 years only cleaned my bike a couple times, one new chain one new shifting cable 1200 miles 4 tires replacements. Battery came loose one time, the only problem in 2.5 years. I feel damn lucky. ❤
Same here. Only I’ve got 7000 miles on mine! But I did upgrade to SRAM X01 AXS derailleur and dropper about half way through. Plus a couple of chains, cassettes and tires! Oh, I did blow out a few spokes so there was a wheel rebuild in there plus break pads. But that was all done at a regular bike shop! They know nothing re the electronics! And this is just a $4k Luna Z1 I bought 3-4yr ago! Only problem I ever had was a dropper cable snap and funky derailleur. Replaced with wireless. That are pricy but great! I probably wash it twice a yr! But now I’m a little nervous!
You haven't checked the linkage bearings. You checked how the rear triangle moves only. If water was in the headset bearings the same happens to linkage bearings. Corrosion kills them first, wear second. Undo all linkage bolts, remove all bearing covers and inspect the bearing internals - clean and regrease them. 66£ for pads is RRP. They are available online for way less. On many motors the pins in the plugs are very thin and tend to corrode and break. Some of the motor cables are hard to get - it makes sense to check the plugs for corrosion .
Great video, really enjoying the Don on embn. Great over view video, and chance of full detail for each job (over time). "Don in the garage" type videos, just a suggestion. Keep up the great work.
If folks want a rough guide on running costs, expect £1 per mile for all weather all off road use. I didn't believe it would cost that much when I bought mine but it's 2 years old now with 2000 miles on it and I'll easily have spent £2k maintaining it all considered.
From 8 different bikes the average cost of an ebike is about 1€ per 3km of maintenance cost. Usually spend around 1000€ a year of maintenance riding almost 4000km. 2 sets of tires are the biggest cost at 70€ per pop so about 340€ a year. 9 derailleurs for 3 bikes in 3 years. Usually 3 derailleurs, 1 cassette, 2-3 chains per year. One rear wheel per year. Others chain oil, tubeless sealant, suspension oil. Then some shop costs do most myself. Broken cams, pedals, dropper. About 3000€ maintenance and broken parts these last 2 years for me for 2 ebikes and 7700km. Which is 2,56km per 1€. For 3 years, 3 bikes and 8800km 9 derailleurs, 2 cassettes, 6 chains, 1 front ring, 2 rear wheels, 9 tires, 1 dropper, 1 camset, rest maintenance costs totaling around 3800€. 0 brake pads although I have bought spares but just don't wear them at all in normal trail riding where you rarely hang on the brakes.
The derailleur has clutch and it definitely makes sense to service that because it tends to corrode and freezes the cage. If you opened the hubs you should open the bearings - same as the headset.
As a follow on can you do a tools to do those jobs cost. Living out in the Inner Hebrides with no LBS on the door step I have had to learn to do a whole load of service/repairs myself. It's been an expensive few years building up tools. Carrying out the work you showed including tool costs would make the service cost you quoted way more expensive. The derailleur alignment tool itself is about £75. We hear a lot of talk of improving motor reliability but maybe we also need components designed to have longer service intervals. Vehicles have gone from services every 6000miles/6 months to now often two years or 25,000 miles. Lets make my fork/shock service last 400 hours instead of 50!
I have it on my Vitus E-Sommet, it's not my favourite feature but I never saw it at a showstopper. If you like everything else on a bike that has headset routing get it, don't be put off by it.
Many riders these days, dont do any work on their bike. They simply drop it off at the shop. Ive offered to show them how its done at home, they can only trust the shop. Happy to pay the money.
I want to do it. I really want to learn it... but when? I need to do my work. I want to be with my wife. I want to be with my daughter. I can hardly find time to 4 hour ride once per 2-3 weeks... If I do these kinds of maintenance at home when I will ride?
So far not to bad brake pads chain and a cassette .the mager expense was when my ols front suspension needed a major service I choose to replace with the newest Fox which made a big difference out of the gate. If you don't do any service until things brske it canthen get expensive. 5 years of riding this bike
I have a canyon strive ON CFR. The headet was the first to go, something is going on with sealing that headset, I would recommend ALOT of grease. I also had to change my udh just the other day, although that's probably my fault.
My Spectral ON has 1500 miles on it, needs nothing. I dont slop it in mud and water. I know that will kill it. A chain every 1000 miles. I try to not hammer the shifting on it.
400miles, which is about 650km. My push bikes chain was done by then. With the extra power of Richs legs and the e-bike motor vs my puny human efforts I’m surprised that didn’t get replaced.
@@andymoss4285why would you assume miles? UK is metric and mileage is a pretty generic term for ‘range’. Anyways that’s still not very far for all he did if that’s the case
i have a haibike nduro 8 and a canyon spectral i only ride my haibike when going somewhere really challenging because of the maintenance costs chains cassettes pads etc etc as im clueless on how to do all these things i personally think there are lots of people who ride e-bikes like me who leave it to other people to look after there bikes and the cost of owning one when your clueless is very expensive
Holy sht! I’ve got 7000 miles on a Luna Z1. It has never been serviced beyond a couple of chains, cassettes and an upgrade to a SRAM X01 axs wireless Derailleur & Dropper! And that was done at a regular bike shop! I wouldn’t even know where to bring it for a breakdown/service comparable with this! I live in New England, ride all year long, and the bike is often just as muddy as your friends pre-cleaned Canyon! So it’s probably due! Do you know of any place in the Boston area?
I Have one and the Headset of this bike is from acros and with internal cable routing. Due to the stopblock mechanism the lower bearing makes some noise. I would like to replace for a cane creek or something like that the headset but it's not an easy job due to the integrated cable system. Any suggestion?
Man I am so bad with this kind of think, I leave it to the shop at great expense. I wish there was a course or something I could go on. I checked but they cost thousands 😂
The one on the Canyon looks to be the Ergon SM E-mountain core prime saddle. I have the "sport" version and there is also a pro version. Comfiest saddles I've ever ridden with by far.
The amount of water ingress on the battery and motor is ridiculous!.. I liv in the pennines and have a Marin E2 and ride in wet weather most of the time and I don't get any where near the amount of water ingress that bike has after 400miles..wowzers!
You either need to be handy with the spanners or bite the bullet and pay for it to be done, that tyre cost nearly as much as a tyre for my van, i don't know how these companies justify the cost of some of the parts they sell.
I think it was 400km so about 300miles. Yeah you definitely don't need to do many of these so often. But 77€ per 400km is not bad for maintenance cost. I would definitely not replace the seals every 400km I would do 1200km. And I would not replace the chain link. So that's about half off the price. Although if it's an X2 maybe you want to take better care of the shock but for Float X does fine for over 1000km with the seals.
I’m surprised that he did only 400mi in six months. I’ve done over 10000km each year for the two years I’ve had mine. The owner of the local bike shop does 20000km a year. What would you guys consider to be heavy mileage?
The final price is quite misleading. -Brake pins and olives -All oils for: Brakes, Suspensions + greases used to lubricate bearings They are also not cheap or free How many hours were worked to do all these things?
shop around for your brake pads, I buy a bag of 20 pairs, you only get the pads but they work out at £7 a pair, and they're the real thing, SRAM in my case and not knock-offs!
The cost of parts and the cost of labour to repair a damaged or faulty E bike, particularly one with electrical faults, is much more than anyone gives it credit for. The work is fiddly. The diagnosis is often time-consuming. The parts are expensive, often unavailable and very specific to the make and model. Some cars are cheaper to keep on the road than some E bikes.
Im thinking my KTM's are cheaper to keep working than a hard ridden EMTB. I do not ride my EMTB in water at all. Some splash is fine but no water crossings. These are fragile expensive bikes. Kind of like modern dirtbikes are all 4 strokes now and wear out quick and cost 5 times to fix what a 2 stroke costs to fix. Used? They are worth nothing. They can be hand grenades.
That internal routing, worst freaking idea ever, so glad neither one of my bikes have this terrible design. I for one do all the work on my bikes as I also have the tools and access to software, and like yourself recovering from a wrist injury so a few weeks to go on that one, looking forward to getting my servicing done for summer..
They cost loads….. chain sets tires bearings all wear out in double time (cos you ride it twice as much) fork and air can service every 3 WEEKS! There i’ve saved you 20 minutes YW
How many hours did it take... what's your personal hourly rate? What does your local shop charge... time is money. Don't wash your ebike so much, especially if it has thru-bearing headset cables. Because that is gonna be very expensive every few hundred miles.
Good vídeo,lucky rider whith canyon whith Bosch motor an Bosch battery,my spectral ON is OFF since november 2024 waiting for canyon solutions 😢very sad situacion,and im waching all day in this channel canyon comercials 😢😮😢and nobody says nothing about this badnews 🤮🤢😭😭😭😭😭
@@Wheelsanstuffbe carefull,i see a spectral photo destroyed totaly from fire and the home garage and other bikes afected in ,be carefull wet weather and battery cracks arent friendly and if your home takes fire canyon dont pay It
Once you factor in all of the tooling, greases, sprays, etc, it’s a costly job. Only over the years will it save you money once you have outlayed the set up costs.
Well, these attempts at generalizing service timelines has too many variables to be of much use . Different bikes different components , motors ,brakes etc different riding styles different weather Different terrain etc etc . i have a six year old bike that i ride just for recreation and always in perfect weather 😂 it has only 1600 km on it and the only thing i replaced was a back tire. even my magura mt5 brake pads still look ok ,which illustrates my point about riding style . my motor is super powerful 112 NM but there is no appreciable wear on the front or rear cogs as i don't shift under a load or pedal hard on hills ( mostly becuse i don't have to because of the power of the motor . ) So almost zero maintenance .
400 miles, and all this service? Yikes. My Spectral ON I didnt run a front fender at first, it quickly got a lot of mud and grit in the lower bearing area and was making horrible noises when riding. Popped the fork off cleaned it all and its been all good. I did put a front fender on the thing, stays much cleaner. My EMTB is so fun it has basically got me riding the motorcycles way more, the KTM890R and 690R are going out more. I ride the amish road bicycle the most, or the Intense XC bike.......the Spectral ends up sitting.............but has near zero used value so there it is. Dont buy a nice EMTB with out knowing resale is Zip/squat/nada. And keep it away from water when riding, it destroys expensive parts.
Loving the comment about the Jehovah's witness coming round and not asking what your'e doing with the black gloves on, my next door neighbours one side are Jehovah's and are nosy AF lol. I'll aways have a laugh with them tho 😀👍🏼
The tip is: motors need service. 2-5k miles, depends on conditions. All plugs and connectors need to be checked for pin corrosion. Remove the battery bracket to check all connectors for corrosion.
10,000 km in two years two batteries at 1000 euro a piece dropper seat kapputt 3 times you have to take the motor out no tools so where I bought it from ,loads of chains and sprockets 😂😂😂 so my resonance too bloody expensive.
@@TCK71 and…creating another problem! Unreal the amount of water that got into the headset and also down into the battery/downtube compartment, and ultimately to the motor. What were the designers thinking?
8:20 and magically the bearings are exposed. Not helpful. 11:10 Tubeless setup but puts tube in? And no commentary. Might as well have just filmed the desk part and said here's what it needed. Plus other than taking the battery out and not servicing the motor, nothing was "e" specific, nothing about frequency of replacement or strain due to "e" vs non-e.
And people wonder why the bike industry is failing. Stupid over complicated expensive bikes and stupid servicing at stupid costs. Can't wait for gates and pinion to be a new norm and bikes reasonably priced with it. Why is the industry pushing ebikes. An extra 3 to 400 dollers in production cost of a motor and battery from suppliers, so they can charge 4 to 5 grand more for a bike. Legit business practice.
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What did your last bike service cost? Do you have any planned jobs?
300€. First and last service at a shop. Started doing everything myself after that.
Nice video what to do, but could contain more info how to do…eg torque, grease etc
Really glad to see Neil back in his swing. Good stuff. We need a maintenance video on that Gasgas 250 next Neil!
This is a good video. It will show people stuff that can handle, versus what they need to be done by a shop.
@ 70.00 an hour minimum, paying a shop to do all this would be maybe 350.00, possibly more.
Just putting a chain on a normal bike is around 75.00 all in these days at a shop, a 10 minute job at home. Chain runs 19.00.
I would never, ever, pay any shop to work on my bikes.
I meant more that some people might not have the tools or confidence to handle some tasks. The more you can do yourself the better with anything in life.
@@bradsanders6954 70 euro/h ? Where in this world are these prices?
@@iuliannagy1554 I live in nor cal, 70 dollars an hour is what a bike shop charges. I would never pay that, Ive always worked on my own bikes.....most work on bikes a kid could do, not all but most.
Excellent stuff Neill. I'm comfortable doing about 70% of that myself,the rest I'd get a LBS to do since I haven't got the tools or time, and it supports them and keeps the LBS going. Also, my Bosch eMTB uses a rotor mounted magnet for the speed sensor (Mondraker Crafty R) so not all Bosch ebikes need the valve sensor.
To be fair that's the cost of owing a FS MTB, the "e" part was not addressed at all, motor was only cleaned externally.
@@rawmancemtb you do maintenance on the engine unless you want to throw it away after ~5 years :)
Many motors have no internal maintenance so there is no cost. For Brose you'd want to replace the belt every 1000km just in case so it doesn't blow up on you during a ride. But Shimano and Bosch there is no maintenance.
@rawmancemtb you should still do basic maintenance on it to prolong the lifespan of the engine.
Can you give an example of basic matinance? @@christoferstromberg6605
They are sealed units. Even a shimano service centre can’t service a shimano motor. Neither can a Bosch service centre.
The alignment of the derailleur hanger is a very overlooked service item. I had problems with one of my bikes which I could never get quite correct - until I bought one of the (cheaper - but good) tools. The derailleur was only a little out - but correcting it made all the difference. Ps. As soon as you get a new bike get a spare hanger.
As usual Neil - brilliant vieo. Good to see you doing vids. All the best, regards Tony Sadler South Wales UK 🏴
1st thing that goes on a bike for me is a derailleur bash guard. Ive bent so many hangars, it doesnt take much force. Stupid component if you ask me, dont bend them with the bashguard on. I think they originially were made to stop from breaking the derailleur, now you still need it to stop from breaking the hangar which is easier to bend.
Nice video!
Hopefully bike manufacturers will stop using those headsets with internal cable routing! Headsets without cables running through them are so much cleaner and waterproof.
This video showed how rubbish they are. Having to try and seal it yourself because one of the bearings is already dying after 400 miles!
I love being in Canada for bike service. Im disabled, my bike is no different than a wheelchair to the government, every bike service I pay for can be written off on taxes as a medical expense. So every spring I take my bikes for a full service, about $300 plus parts and write it off as a tax expense.
Kenevo 3 yrs / 2 motors , 3 tcu,s , lots of cassettes and chains , pads. Good fun but its made me love my pedal bikes even more . And I’m fitter 😂. Water kills these things . Still ride it occasionally for a treat 😊
Absolutely water kills EMTB's. Evidently no serious thought was ever given to water proofing these things and still isnt.
One friend submerged the motor on his 10,000,00 EMTB..............once, in one day, silty water got inside and now he ignores the noise it makes like it will go away. Ive ran my dirtbikes up to the muffler in water with minimal problems, EMTB is not like that.
The fact that you fell for the emtb bullshit is funny. Glad you learned your lesson. E bikes should only be commuters and gravel bikes at best.
You're asking for major money burning headaches on trails. Experiencing what you have experienced.
Cheers mate. Just bought a new ebike. Nice to get an idea of what the maintenance costs might be compared to my analog MTB.
Appreciated!
No it didn't. 0.001% was ebike related.
Remove battery and no servicing of motor - whoopee. This did not address motor bearings or anything ebike useful.
Let's take the stuff he did cover, there's no timeframe or frequency indicated due to extra weight or strain of ebike, so you have absolutely no better clue now than before the video.
950 miles on my Wild and I've:
- Replaced tires twice
- Just put in new brake pads
- Replaced the plastic bash guard twice
Fantastic video, Neil! Luckily the prices of the spare parts are even a bit lower in Slovenia. 😜
Great Video and worth doing regularly. I have done all of this and more on my various bikes and I firmly believe the more work you do on a bike the better you understand it as well as saving money. There are plenty of good 'How to' videos online these days from both manufacturers and fellow MTB'ers. 2 key things... always use the correct tools, spares and consumables and most importantly give yourself time to do it properly.
Good video be good to see more like this on your bike in the background. Hope your knee is better soon
Im so screwed. It’s been 2.5 years only cleaned my bike a couple times, one new chain one new shifting cable 1200 miles 4 tires replacements. Battery came loose one time, the only problem in 2.5 years. I feel damn lucky. ❤
Same here. Only I’ve got 7000 miles on mine! But I did upgrade to SRAM X01 AXS derailleur and dropper about half way through. Plus a couple of chains, cassettes and tires! Oh, I did blow out a few spokes so there was a wheel rebuild in there plus break pads. But that was all done at a regular bike shop! They know nothing re the electronics! And this is just a $4k Luna Z1 I bought 3-4yr ago! Only problem I ever had was a dropper cable snap and funky derailleur. Replaced with wireless. That are pricy but great! I probably wash it twice a yr!
But now I’m a little nervous!
@@GDawg2K2 brake vs break
Would be great if you could do a detailed vid on the suspension service both front and rear 👍
You haven't checked the linkage bearings. You checked how the rear triangle moves only. If water was in the headset bearings the same happens to linkage bearings. Corrosion kills them first, wear second. Undo all linkage bolts, remove all bearing covers and inspect the bearing internals - clean and regrease them.
66£ for pads is RRP. They are available online for way less.
On many motors the pins in the plugs are very thin and tend to corrode and break. Some of the motor cables are hard to get - it makes sense to check the plugs for corrosion .
Great video, really enjoying the Don on embn. Great over view video, and chance of full detail for each job (over time). "Don in the garage" type videos, just a suggestion. Keep up the great work.
Great vid Neil! it would be nice to see a how to video on that bike stand... it looks cool
If folks want a rough guide on running costs, expect £1 per mile for all weather all off road use. I didn't believe it would cost that much when I bought mine but it's 2 years old now with 2000 miles on it and I'll easily have spent £2k maintaining it all considered.
£66 for brake pads is ludicrous!!!
From 8 different bikes the average cost of an ebike is about 1€ per 3km of maintenance cost. Usually spend around 1000€ a year of maintenance riding almost 4000km. 2 sets of tires are the biggest cost at 70€ per pop so about 340€ a year. 9 derailleurs for 3 bikes in 3 years. Usually 3 derailleurs, 1 cassette, 2-3 chains per year. One rear wheel per year. Others chain oil, tubeless sealant, suspension oil. Then some shop costs do most myself. Broken cams, pedals, dropper. About 3000€ maintenance and broken parts these last 2 years for me for 2 ebikes and 7700km. Which is 2,56km per 1€.
For 3 years, 3 bikes and 8800km 9 derailleurs, 2 cassettes, 6 chains, 1 front ring, 2 rear wheels, 9 tires, 1 dropper, 1 camset, rest maintenance costs totaling around 3800€. 0 brake pads although I have bought spares but just don't wear them at all in normal trail riding where you rarely hang on the brakes.
Definitely will bring my bike your shop for service Neil, as in Steves Service Shop the same 6 month service was 1500£ 😊
I would consider spraying water displacer wherever moisture was collecting around the DU and Battery
It’s good to see what a service will cost diy, what about the costs of valves you mentioned?
What armour went into the wheels?
Nice work Neil
The derailleur has clutch and it definitely makes sense to service that because it tends to corrode and freezes the cage. If you opened the hubs you should open the bearings - same as the headset.
You can service the derailleur clutch yes, this one still felt like it was functioning decently
@@embn it's not the question if it feels bad or good. It's prevention.
Great watch Neil!
Great video Neil..
WELL DONE 🏁
As a follow on can you do a tools to do those jobs cost. Living out in the Inner Hebrides with no LBS on the door step I have had to learn to do a whole load of service/repairs myself. It's been an expensive few years building up tools. Carrying out the work you showed including tool costs would make the service cost you quoted way more expensive. The derailleur alignment tool itself is about £75. We hear a lot of talk of improving motor reliability but maybe we also need components designed to have longer service intervals. Vehicles have gone from services every 6000miles/6 months to now often two years or 25,000 miles. Lets make my fork/shock service last 400 hours instead of 50!
Great video Neil, working with Headset cable routing 😫looks a nightmare and I certainly would avoid buying a bike that has this design.
Its easy, not hard at all once you do it once. Most bikes have it. Once I had it apart it was dead easy.
@ that the first positive opinion I’ve heard I’ve got to be honest I suppose there is a knack to it
I have it on my Vitus E-Sommet, it's not my favourite feature but I never saw it at a showstopper. If you like everything else on a bike that has headset routing get it, don't be put off by it.
@ good advice cheers Tony 👍
Depends. In most cases isn't and costs extra for new hoses for example.
Peaty's promotion🙏
Thats why is on 400km)
Loved the JW reference 🙏🙏✌️
So satisfying!
Please do a workshop tour…I’m jealous and want some inspiration
Hi Don't forget the cost for the fork oils !
Thank you Neil top lad watching from ages love youzz ladzz
Many riders these days, dont do any work on their bike. They simply drop it off at the shop.
Ive offered to show them how its done at home, they can only trust the shop. Happy to pay the money.
I want to do it. I really want to learn it... but when? I need to do my work. I want to be with my wife. I want to be with my daughter. I can hardly find time to 4 hour ride once per 2-3 weeks... If I do these kinds of maintenance at home when I will ride?
So far not to bad brake pads chain and a cassette .the mager expense was when my ols front suspension needed a major service I choose to replace with the newest Fox which made a big difference out of the gate. If you don't do any service until things brske it canthen get expensive. 5 years of riding this bike
Amazing video
I have a canyon strive ON CFR. The headet was the first to go, something is going on with sealing that headset, I would recommend ALOT of grease.
I also had to change my udh just the other day, although that's probably my fault.
Payed £250 to service mine and then someone stole it at Christmas.Thankfully insured and was able to buy a new one.
Add a air tag to the frame. Hope this one doesn't get stole
Excellant! Unusually i learnt something!!
Excellent vs excellant.
All that service after only 400km? Wow, that will cost a fortune at a shop if that’s your frequency of service.
I had exactly the same thoughts 🫣
You don't need to replace the seals for 400km so you can take half off the price.
My Spectral ON has 1500 miles on it, needs nothing. I dont slop it in mud and water. I know that will kill it.
A chain every 1000 miles. I try to not hammer the shifting on it.
400miles, which is about 650km. My push bikes chain was done by then. With the extra power of Richs legs and the e-bike motor vs my puny human efforts I’m surprised that didn’t get replaced.
@@andymoss4285why would you assume miles? UK is metric and mileage is a pretty generic term for ‘range’. Anyways that’s still not very far for all he did if that’s the case
when should you do a full strip down service?
On a Spe Levo, it costs me 150€ a year and 600€ if I have the suspension and fork serviced by a specialist every 2 years.
Cheers Don she runs a treat. When shall I drop the rest round 😉
i have a haibike nduro 8 and a canyon spectral i only ride my haibike when going somewhere really challenging because of the maintenance costs chains cassettes pads etc etc as im clueless on how to do all these things i personally think there are lots of people who ride e-bikes like me who leave it to other people to look after there bikes and the cost of owning one when your clueless is very expensive
Holy sht! I’ve got 7000 miles on a Luna Z1. It has never been serviced beyond a couple of chains, cassettes and an upgrade to a SRAM X01 axs wireless Derailleur & Dropper! And that was done at a regular bike shop! I wouldn’t even know where to bring it for a breakdown/service comparable with this!
I live in New England, ride all year long, and the bike is often just as muddy as your friends pre-cleaned Canyon! So it’s probably due! Do you know of any place in the Boston area?
The most important takeaway in this video is that shiny black latex gloves protect you from the dreaded JH! 🤣
What is that bike hanger that you have in the background with your spare bikes on it? Does anyone know?
What brand were the brake pads you used? I buy off ebay for less than a fiver a pair and they last as long as branded.
I Have one and the Headset of this bike is from acros and with internal cable routing. Due to the stopblock mechanism the lower bearing makes some noise. I would like to replace for a cane creek or something like that the headset but it's not an easy job due to the integrated cable system. Any suggestion?
Is this the canyon model with the cracked battery problem?? Its a big day out to get that fixed...
Non, Bosch motor goes whith Bosch battery,only canyon battery whith Shimano motor have cracks problems😢
Man I am so bad with this kind of think, I leave it to the shop at great expense. I wish there was a course or something I could go on. I checked but they cost thousands 😂
What Ergon seat is that you use???
The one on the Canyon looks to be the Ergon SM E-mountain core prime saddle. I have the "sport" version and there is also a pro version. Comfiest saddles I've ever ridden with by far.
The amount of water ingress on the battery and motor is ridiculous!.. I liv in the pennines and have a Marin E2 and ride in wet weather most of the time and I don't get any where near the amount of water ingress that bike has after 400miles..wowzers!
It would be useful to know the price of all the tools needed to perform this level of servicing.
To do what he did - less than 100£.
cables going into the headset is a nightmare, I absolutely hate them, my first bike with one and it was not fun putting it all back together.
Kind of you to sort Rich’s bike. Especially since he’s been the only one of you doing riding videos for the past month 😂
You either need to be handy with the spanners or bite the bullet and pay for it to be done, that tyre cost nearly as much as a tyre for my van, i don't know how these companies justify the cost of some of the parts they sell.
Seems a bit excessive for only 400 miles of use, even if it has been ridden hard
Sure they are only promoting things)
I think it was 400km so about 300miles. Yeah you definitely don't need to do many of these so often. But 77€ per 400km is not bad for maintenance cost. I would definitely not replace the seals every 400km I would do 1200km. And I would not replace the chain link. So that's about half off the price. Although if it's an X2 maybe you want to take better care of the shock but for Float X does fine for over 1000km with the seals.
I’m surprised that he did only 400mi in six months. I’ve done over 10000km each year for the two years I’ve had mine. The owner of the local bike shop does 20000km a year. What would you guys consider to be heavy mileage?
The final price is quite misleading.
-Brake pins and olives
-All oils for: Brakes, Suspensions + greases used to lubricate bearings
They are also not cheap or free
How many hours were worked to do all these things?
shop around for your brake pads, I buy a bag of 20 pairs, you only get the pads but they work out at £7 a pair, and they're the real thing, SRAM in my case and not knock-offs!
The cost of parts and the cost of labour to repair a damaged or faulty E bike, particularly one with electrical faults, is much more than anyone gives it credit for. The work is fiddly. The diagnosis is often time-consuming. The parts are expensive, often unavailable and very specific to the make and model. Some cars are cheaper to keep on the road than some E bikes.
Im thinking my KTM's are cheaper to keep working than a hard ridden EMTB. I do not ride my EMTB in water at all.
Some splash is fine but no water crossings.
These are fragile expensive bikes. Kind of like modern dirtbikes are all 4 strokes now and wear out quick and cost 5 times to fix what a 2 stroke costs to fix. Used? They are worth nothing. They can be hand grenades.
That internal routing, worst freaking idea ever, so glad neither one of my bikes have this terrible design.
I for one do all the work on my bikes as I also have the tools and access to software, and like yourself recovering from a wrist injury so a few weeks to go on that one, looking forward to getting my servicing done for summer..
For the person unrelated to the bike industry/ sponsorship the cost is a lot bigger even for non e bikes.
It's not. Do you want a price list?
Nice one Neil, cheers. Clear & helpful.
Best thing to come out of covid was the end to the Jehovah's Witness knocks at the door. Cheers for the giggle
They cost loads….. chain sets tires bearings all wear out in double time (cos you ride it twice as much) fork and air can service every 3 WEEKS! There i’ve saved you 20 minutes YW
How many hours did it take... what's your personal hourly rate? What does your local shop charge... time is money.
Don't wash your ebike so much, especially if it has thru-bearing headset cables. Because that is gonna be very expensive every few hundred miles.
To do that? About 2h. If you are VERY slow. If you need to replace all bearings apart from the motor it takes 4h.
Good vídeo,lucky rider whith canyon whith Bosch motor an Bosch battery,my spectral ON is OFF since november 2024 waiting for canyon solutions 😢very sad situacion,and im waching all day in this channel canyon comercials 😢😮😢and nobody says nothing about this badnews 🤮🤢😭😭😭😭😭
Good luck, Aitor
Good luck with getting it sorted out. They have mentioned it in a previous vid but I understand your frustration
They did a whole video on it and how to identify the affected battery's.
Still riding mine, I have 3 of the affected barriers and they’re all perfectly fine.
@@Wheelsanstuffbe carefull,i see a spectral photo destroyed totaly from fire and the home garage and other bikes afected in ,be carefull wet weather and battery cracks arent friendly and if your home takes fire canyon dont pay It
First you pay more money than there thay are worth , then pray it doesn't go wrong because it will continue to bleed money
Once you factor in all of the tooling, greases, sprays, etc, it’s a costly job. Only over the years will it save you money once you have outlayed the set up costs.
Well, these attempts at generalizing service timelines has too many variables to be of much use .
Different bikes
different components , motors ,brakes etc
different riding styles
different weather
Different terrain etc etc .
i have a six year old bike that i ride just for recreation and always in perfect weather 😂
it has only 1600 km on it and the only thing i replaced was a back tire.
even my magura mt5 brake pads still look ok ,which illustrates my point about riding style .
my motor is super powerful 112 NM but there is no appreciable wear on the front or rear cogs as i don't shift under a load or pedal hard on hills ( mostly becuse i don't have to because of the power of the motor . )
So almost zero maintenance .
400 miles, and all this service? Yikes. My Spectral ON I didnt run a front fender at first, it quickly got a lot of mud and grit in the lower bearing area and was making horrible noises when riding. Popped the fork off cleaned it all and its been all good.
I did put a front fender on the thing, stays much cleaner. My EMTB is so fun it has basically got me riding the motorcycles way more, the KTM890R and 690R are going out more. I ride the amish road bicycle the most, or the Intense XC bike.......the Spectral ends up sitting.............but has near zero used value so there it is.
Dont buy a nice EMTB with out knowing resale is Zip/squat/nada. And keep it away from water when riding, it destroys expensive parts.
How many hours did all this work take ?
A while to do it for filming but probably around 2 hours work altogether! 2 hours every 6 months isn't too shabby
Neil did you tear down the shock yourself ✌️
I just drop mine off when it needs fixing, then pick it up, swipe my card and hit the trails 🤙
Loving the comment about the Jehovah's witness coming round and not asking what your'e doing with the black gloves on, my next door neighbours one side are Jehovah's and are nosy AF lol. I'll aways have a laugh with them tho 😀👍🏼
Missed out the nightmare of having to take off your brake levers and shifter just to chance a headset bearing 🤦🏻♂️
I Spy a Trials bike in the background..
Yours?..if so ,Where's your videos on riding it?!...
that is not different from a regular bike is it? Probably I was expecting more ebike specific tips and checks...
The tip is: motors need service. 2-5k miles, depends on conditions. All plugs and connectors need to be checked for pin corrosion. Remove the battery bracket to check all connectors for corrosion.
Shout out to the Jahovah’s Witnesses! 😂
10,000 km in two years two batteries at 1000 euro a piece dropper seat kapputt 3 times you have to take the motor out no tools so where I bought it from ,loads of chains and sprockets 😂😂😂 so my resonance too bloody expensive.
😂 black metal latex gloves🤘🏻
Bad for all the water to get it
That headset routing is totally unnecessary, fixing a problem which does not exist................. Good video though.
@@TCK71 and…creating another problem! Unreal the amount of water that got into the headset and also down into the battery/downtube compartment, and ultimately to the motor. What were the designers thinking?
8:20 and magically the bearings are exposed. Not helpful.
11:10 Tubeless setup but puts tube in? And no commentary.
Might as well have just filmed the desk part and said here's what it needed.
Plus other than taking the battery out and not servicing the motor, nothing was "e" specific, nothing about frequency of replacement or strain due to "e" vs non-e.
No. It's not an inner tube. Is a cush-core insert.
If you don't have experience with reparing bikes don't even try something like this....
£66 for MTB brake pads? What are they, gold plated? 🤣
Rule 1 Never wash your ebike, just let the crud dry and brush off with a soft sash brush.
And people wonder why the bike industry is failing. Stupid over complicated expensive bikes and stupid servicing at stupid costs.
Can't wait for gates and pinion to be a new norm and bikes reasonably priced with it.
Why is the industry pushing ebikes. An extra 3 to 400 dollers in production cost of a motor and battery from suppliers, so they can charge 4 to 5 grand more for a bike. Legit business practice.
Can't see you getting all that done for £200 in a shop...
Black are nitrile gloves
Cable routing through headset is pure evil 😈 . Bike manufacturers please stick to more weatherproof solutions.
my car costs less to service 🤣
Breaking his wrist to get the peatys logo in when spraying the cassette. Embarrassing.
Less than 400 miles, wtf lol