Coba and the MAYA BALL GAME
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- Опубліковано 11 сер 2020
- The ancient ruins of Coba are full of secrets newly revealed. Watch as Dr. Miano and Cassie show you the best parts of the site and answer the question of whether the Nochoch Mul is the tallest pyramid in the Yucatan peninsula. Plus learn about the Maya ballgame, the oldest organized sport in the history of the world. Finally, we take you to Cancun for a visit to the Maya Museum there, which is full of fascinating artifacts.
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Recommended text: The Maya Voices in Stone
www.amazon.com/Maya-Voices-St...
More travel information about the sites we visited can be found here:
Coba:
www.self.gutenberg.org/article...
www.inah.gob.mx/boletines/927...
On the Coba stelae:
www.mesoweb.com/stuart/notes/C...
www.peabody.harvard.edu/cmhi/...
www.academia.edu/28733090/Rec...
www.theartnewspaper.com/news/...
On the Coba-Yaxuna sacbe:
www.theyucatantimes.com/2020/...
www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-...
www.academia.edu/7206930/The_...
The Maya Museum of Cancun:
www.inah.gob.mx/red-de-museos...
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Correction: I ridiculously pronounced the J in Ju'npik Tok as in English, instead of as a raspy H, as I should have. Apologies to my Maya viewers.
That happened to me too. When in Chicken Itcha.
Who's here from stefan milo? ✋ Always awesome to find a great channel like this. Subbed!
The story about the ball court and how it could be used for ceremonial games and possibly substitute for battles just so remind me of college football rivalries. Also the different “levels” of formal play remind me of peewee football vs high school vs college vs professional. The higher you go, the more formal and elaborate the “costumes.”
This was the best explanation of the ball game, I've seen so far.
Thank you!
I’ve always wondered about that ball court game. Thanks for filling me in 🙂
Amazing video. Really the content I always searched for. Can't understand the low views, it's well informed, well edited and presented in a clear and informative language. Keep it up with the great work
Thank you. I am glad you enjoyed!
Dr. David: Thank you for being such a gentleman with Stefan. Think ; the pyramid at Chichen Itza. You’ve got me looking at the ferry schedule from Tampa.
I love the way you pronounce the Mayan words!!! 👏👏👏 I bet you speak Great Klingon too!!😄😄😄
I love that Andy from the office finally found his calling ❤
Awesome! RT as always! Big love!
Thanks, John!
@@WorldofAntiquity I'm really looking forward to your Chichén Itzá video! I really enjoyed my day there, I wish I had longer to explore.
Dr. Miano thanks gor these informative videos on the Maya! Having visited 20 or so of these sites pre-youtube, your vids are a great reminder of the wealth of culture the Maya contain for us. Love the inclusion of the beautiful scenery and tasty food as well.
I was there last month and the pyramid looks so small/short I was so underwhelmed. The one in Ek Balam tho is so beautiful!
2:29 - Yikes. A fall here would be deadly. Make no mistake!
Thanks, David. Another wonderful video with a very low frame rate.
Coba was the only sight i visited that got me caught in the rain. I rented a bike so got covered in mud. I had to strip in that parking lot before getting in my rental car.
I've visited various Mexican and central American cites ( Monte Alban and Mitla; Oaxaca, Palenque and Tonina; Chiapas, Tikal; Guatamala, among others). I'm always filled with awe at the power and ingenuity inherent in a community of people who are inspired and motivated toward a common goal. I also come away with some sadness about what it says about "civilization" or "..urbanized areas of dense populations which are almost exclusively dependent on trade to meet basic needs.." the society is stratified so the powerful upper classes have greater access and control of basic resources; hence the ability to allocate. ( as in: who will help me move these big rocks?) Whenever this happens society's systems for meeting needs become vulnerable to numerous disruptions ( drought, famine, natural disaster, rebellion, invasion or/and pestilence). A culture can decline and seemingly disappear because the "organs" that gave it life are no longer functioning. Folks who want to survive take up hunter gatherer lifestyles. And we start all over again.
Yes, it seems to have happened many times throughout history.
...though I will say that just because those large cities are gone, doesn't necessarily mean the Mayan culture today is inferior.
Wow, sounds like you've had a pretty similar set of trips to the ones I've done. My favorites so far would be Monte Alban in Oaxaca (though part of that is just its perch on the high mountain overlooking the whole valley), everything in Chiapas (well, if I had to pick, maybe I'd say Yaxchillan; again though the adventure of the boat ride maybe gives the ruins a special feel), and Tikal. You're comment makes me think of the American Southwest; my ruin obsession started as a kid when my parents took me to Mesa Verde and Chaco Canyon. There are those who would consider them to be small potatoes next to Tiotihuacan or Chichen Itza. When I look at them now though, and think about what we know of their historical arc, they passed through a hierarchical phase with kings and great priests and settled into something much more egalitarian and democratic without anywhere near the level of violence that characterized the mesoamerican societies. So they survived their existential crises in settled fashion. The mesoamerican area you have several pretty big crises/collapses, but again, for most of them people retained the core and outline of their settled cultures (the classic collapse at Teotihuacan, the late classic collapse of the Maya lowlands in Guatemala's Peten and Chiapas, the Post-classic collapse brought on by the Spanish invasions)
@@daniverson5860 Thanks for your response, Dan. I had a moment, years ago, when I read two books by Jack Weatherford: Native roots and Indian Givers. I realized all I had previously thought, or had been told, about the natives of America was wrong. I thought all Indians were hunter gatherers. I had yet to encounter or consider Chaco Canyon or Cahokia. I went through a period where I was convinced that the civilizations of mesoamerica were the product of alien occupation ( certainly not the savages we saw on TV and movies ).
Reading the historical novel series by Gary Jennings titled : Aztec, I gained a whole new perspective on the peoples, cultures and civilizations that the European invasion destroyed. I became a sponge for all information and research on the Olmec, toltec, Maya etc. and decided that I would visit these places one day.
What amazed and somewhat saddened me in this quest was that many aspects of the history and cultures of Mesoamerica were known as early as the '60s, and I didn't know about them till the late eighties.
I agree that, despite the obvious brutality of all the civilizations, the evolution of an essentially egalitarian society was underway, and if It had been allowed to thrive and spread and develop...who knows.
ball court stone ring. would be interesting to know if those stone ring blocks are pretty easily interchangable/swapped out/replaced? because, like pyramids being sand blasted 24/7 three hundred and sixty five days a year; those stone rings on ball court aren't going to last very long; esp having 3 pound ball colliding with it every so often. be interesting to have a close up look at the wear and tear on the ring. looks more loop than hoop. more ritual than spectator sport
another well filmed and edited video.
If I'm correct I believe that there is a ball court at Romero ruins in Tucson Arizona in Catalina State Park.
Hi;) I'm waiting for Itza;)
It is a pity there are no funds to rediscover Coba in full glory.
best regards
At the ball courts, where do the audience stand/sit? Or was there no audience other than a few officials?
That game reminds me Quidditch in HP 😁
You are no longer able to climb the pyramids at Coba as of the pandemic. Found out first hand on 6/7/2023.
Did you have time to explore Mayan astronomy ? 🙂
A bit. We have very little information about it.
.It really shows how "dumb, stupid, ect" the public is when you only have 152 likes and the alien or advanced theory people have thousands. No wonder the state of things are so bad!!! Keep up the Great teaching!!!!! '
Is bull leaping a sport? Or bull fighting for that matter
Are they sports and should they be sports are two different questions, but yes.
@@WorldofAntiquity So would they be older than the mayan ball game? Sorry i dont mean to be a dick, just when people say stuff like that my mind always tries to think of an exception. I like your content.
Ah, I see your point. The oldest depiction of bull-leaping on Crete is from the 14th century BCE, so still a little later than the Mesoamerican ball game. However, I just looked it up, and it seems there are Babylonian depictions of bull leaping from the 18th or 19th century BCE. It's unclear, however, if it was an organized sport. Definitely a possible contender.
@@WorldofAntiquity g'day again.
UA-cam just asked me to rate one of your video's, ive never had that before.
Wikipedia says the Mesopotamians were bull fighters. Ive seen lion hunts in there art but not bull fights. Although i realize the bull was an important animal to them.
Now ive had a proper think about the oldest sport, drum roll. Boring old running races or maybe wrestling. If persistence hunting was humanities first form of hunting ,competition in running would seem appropriate.
All the best to you and yours
Adam
Ps while i have your ear riddle me this, mayan pyramid steps aren't ergonomicly designed, why? I was watching that little vegan whippet girl going up a pyramid with you last night and it struck me how much of an effort it was for her. She had to slow down turn at an angle and each step was at least as high as her knee, at some points she even had to use her hands. Were these stairs really used for access or processions?I dont know the average height of a mayan but if i had to bet i would be betting they were shorter than modern western people, making it even harder for them. I had been told that the steepness of the stairway was to aid in sacrificed bodies to roll down. But that was aztec and seemed to have something to do with one of their foundation myths about cutting one of the gods sisters(?) head off and throwing her body down a mountain. Is there a conection between the mayan and aztec myths. Thanking you in advance for your attention and time.
@@adamroodog1718 Yes, there was a bit of cultural influence between the two. But I doubt that they were thinking about rolling heads first and foremost when making steps. I think they were going for looks. I do know that many of the pyramids were off limits to most people. Maybe it was hard to climb by design. Then again, I don't think ergonomics was ever much of a priority in ancient times.
Great video man! I found Mexico was a great spot to visit historical pyramids! What pyramids in Mexico are the largest? New friend from Canada 🇨🇦 Feel free to check out my Canadian travel adventures if your interested!
I think the El Mirador pyramid takes the cake at 230 feet. Thanks for the share. I subbed to your channel.
World of Antiquity Wow that’s huge! Thanks for the sub! Your my 300th subscriber!!! I love your content and subscribed as well!
Hockey was first 🙂
As a hockey fan, I wish that were true.
@@WorldofAntiquity I seen an article before about a pair bone “skates” being found dating to the beginning of the latest inter glacial or somethin like that . I usually try to argue that means that somehow hockey came first lol . Just found your channel, excited to see more !
@@paveldatsyuk7175 Thank you. I will see if I can find something on those bone skates. Are you THE Pavel Datsyuk?
@@WorldofAntiquity I had a dream I almost was one time haha. I found the article and I was off by a few thousand years . It’s very interesting though !
This one will have you lost for words. I dare you to watch it and not loose brain cells and will to live 😂
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Haha unbelievable.