With regards to your thoughts about including God's daughters in certain roles in church, and home, we must engage with the original language in the earliest manuscripts. We must be careful not to restrict the call of the Holy Spirit and be careful not to preach a Christ who discriminates... There are no male pronouns in 1 Tim 3. There's a idiom for monogamy. In 1 Tim 2, Paul did not silence (bad English translation) women who he hails as colleagues in Romans 16. He told Ephesian men to not argue and women to come in contemplative stillness and told Timothy to let them learn! That's an imperative. Students should adopt the posture of contemplation and quietness. Also, he was not talking about the creation account as the foundation of the 1 Tim 2 passage... Since he would not dismiss Genesis 1 where there is no creation order or hierarchy. He was writing about 1st degree vs 2nd degree sinner... much insight to be gained from www.tru316.com The creation design is the two shall be one which Jesus repeats in the New Testament. No hierarchy. In Eph 2:22 there is no word "submit" in Greek. It's taken from Eph 5:21... submit ONE TO ANOTHER. NO male headship. Rest of passage is head body metaphor which Paul makes clear in remainder of passage. Your head can't function with your pancreas, limbs, stomach etc. Whole body in unity with each other. Whole as body of Christ. Reading authority is from a carnal lens. Jesus already gave the standard on this. No ruling over each other. Early church had female leaders and preachers commissioned by the Holy Spirit and women leaders Romans 16 plus a whole host from history. God does not discriminate. The opposite is a Gen 3 mentality. Read not a few verses out of the cannonical or historical context written to local churches. Read not a few verses while denying the rest of God's word. Read all of Scripture through the eternal standard of the LIVING WORD. Seek God's word by commiting to understand what the original Hebrew and Greek said. English translations are problematic. Scholarship and academia know this. Much insight to be gained from Www.tru316.com www.patheos.com/blogs/zackhunt/2014/03/complementarianism-the-churchs-segregation-problem/ Www.tru316.com jamespruch.wordpress.com/let-her-lead/ www.cbeinternational.org/resource/women-and-words-male-pronouns-dont-exist-in-1-timothy/ terranwilliams.com/the-biblical-case-for-women-in-leadership-and-why-mike-winger-the-gospel-coalition-and-the-southern-baptists-are-wrong-about-this/
I left the Episcopal Church because they were becoming too far left and joined the Catholic Church. That was over 20 years ago and now I would never set foot in an Episcopal Church again. Thank you Jesus
@@JoAnnFuirConsider this. The Catholic denomination ordains pedophiles and homosexuals and pays out millions hush money to cover it up. Come to Reformed Churches where we don’t ordain women.
As an Anglican, who weeps for my church, please, good Roman Catholic brothers and sisters, do not make the mistake we did. Stay true to the teachings of His Holiness St John Paul II.
With regards to your thoughts about including God's daughters in certain roles in church, and home, we must engage with the original language in the earliest manuscripts. We must be careful not to restrict the call of the Holy Spirit and be careful not to preach a Christ who discriminates... There are no male pronouns in 1 Tim 3. There's a idiom for monogamy. In 1 Tim 2, Paul did not silence (bad English translation) women who he hails as colleagues in Romans 16. He told Ephesian men to not argue and women to come in contemplative stillness and told Timothy to let them learn! That's an imperative. Students should adopt the posture of contemplation and quietness. Also, he was not talking about the creation account as the foundation of the 1 Tim 2 passage... Since he would not dismiss Genesis 1 where there is no creation order or hierarchy. He was writing about 1st degree vs 2nd degree sinner... much insight to be gained from www.tru316.com The creation design is the two shall be one which Jesus repeats in the New Testament. No hierarchy. In Eph 2:22 there is no word "submit" in Greek. It's taken from Eph 5:21... submit ONE TO ANOTHER. NO male headship. Rest of passage is head body metaphor which Paul makes clear in remainder of passage. Your head can't function with your pancreas, limbs, stomach etc. Whole body in unity with each other. Whole as body of Christ. Reading authority is from a carnal lens. Jesus already gave the standard on this. No ruling over each other. Early church had female leaders and preachers commissioned by the Holy Spirit and women leaders Romans 16 plus a whole host from history. God does not discriminate. The opposite is a Gen 3 mentality. Read not a few verses out of the cannonical or historical context written to local churches. Read not a few verses while denying the rest of God's word. Read all of Scripture through the eternal standard of the LIVING WORD. Seek God's word by commiting to understand what the original Hebrew and Greek said. English translations are problematic. Scholarship and academia know this. Much insight to be gained from Www.tru316.com www.patheos.com/blogs/zackhunt/2014/03/complementarianism-the-churchs-segregation-problem/ Www.tru316.com jamespruch.wordpress.com/let-her-lead/ www.cbeinternational.org/resource/women-and-words-male-pronouns-dont-exist-in-1-timothy/ terranwilliams.com/the-biblical-case-for-women-in-leadership-and-why-mike-winger-the-gospel-coalition-and-the-southern-baptists-are-wrong-about-this/
Holy Scripture says that the QUALIFICATION for being a Bishop is to be a MAN who is married with well disciplined children -- see 1Timothy 3:4-5 -- and that teaching church ministers MUST remain unmarried and abstaining from meat except fish on Fridays are doctrines of devils -- see 1Timothy 4:1-5. Soooo.... that makes the Roman church a heretical church, not a holy church.
Sometimes, it's really tickle our commonsense, when a female priest address themself as "Father Mary" for example. It's makes the male in a very awkward position. Oh what a world we are living in.
You can call her Mother, Pastor, Minister, Reverend-there are plenty of ways. It’s really not that difficult. Personally, I never even called the Father at my church "Father Jimmy." I just called him Jimmy. He was great at playing dominoes and cracked some pretty good jokes.
Not a single verse where Jesus "ordained the priesthood" of the kind you mean. With regards to your thoughts about including God's daughters in certain roles in church, and home, we must engage with the original language in the earliest manuscripts. We must be careful not to restrict the call of the Holy Spirit and be careful not to preach a Christ who discriminates... There are no male pronouns in 1 Tim 3. There's a idiom for monogamy. In 1 Tim 2, Paul did not silence (bad English translation) women who he hails as colleagues in Romans 16. He told Ephesian men to not argue and women to come in contemplative stillness and told Timothy to let them learn! That's an imperative. Students should adopt the posture of contemplation and quietness. Also, he was not talking about the creation account as the foundation of the 1 Tim 2 passage... Since he would not dismiss Genesis 1 where there is no creation order or hierarchy. He was writing about 1st degree vs 2nd degree sinner... much insight to be gained from www.tru316.com The creation design is the two shall be one which Jesus repeats in the New Testament. No hierarchy. In Eph 2:22 there is no word "submit" in Greek. It's taken from Eph 5:21... submit ONE TO ANOTHER. NO male headship. Rest of passage is head body metaphor which Paul makes clear in remainder of passage. Your head can't function with your pancreas, limbs, stomach etc. Whole body in unity with each other. Whole as body of Christ. Reading authority is from a carnal lens. Jesus already gave the standard on this. No ruling over each other. Early church had female leaders and preachers commissioned by the Holy Spirit and women leaders Romans 16 plus a whole host from history. God does not discriminate. The opposite is a Gen 3 mentality. Read not a few verses out of the cannonical or historical context written to local churches. Read not a few verses while denying the rest of God's word. Read all of Scripture through the eternal standard of the LIVING WORD. Seek God's word by commiting to understand what the original Hebrew and Greek said. English translations are problematic. Scholarship and academia know this. Much insight to be gained from Www.tru316.com www.patheos.com/blogs/zackhunt/2014/03/complementarianism-the-churchs-segregation-problem/ Www.tru316.com jamespruch.wordpress.com/let-her-lead/ www.cbeinternational.org/resource/women-and-words-male-pronouns-dont-exist-in-1-timothy/ terranwilliams.com/the-biblical-case-for-women-in-leadership-and-why-mike-winger-the-gospel-coalition-and-the-southern-baptists-are-wrong-about-this/
We must be careful not to cherry-pick verses by indoctrination. OT priests were ritual experts (John Walton, OT scholar and several others). For those huge sacrifices once a year in the temple, women cudnt leave their homes lest life come to a standstill. OT priesthood was not a gendered exclusion. The majority of males cudnt be OT priests. And not above age 50 among other things. That wud disqualify all priests in yhe Catholic church above age 50. Many leave out many of the criteria for OT priesthood. The NT priesthood is the priesthood of believers. Not the priesthood of males. There are no male pastors or priests named in the NT. Jesus didn't ordain male priests or bishops or pastors. The Church/Eklessia is all believers, a called out people - both men and women. The Church/Eklessia is the bride of Christ. (So men are also invited to be a bride of Christ!) Discrimination based only on gender is pure unadulterated dogma from man's tradition even though Jesus set everyone free from this thinking. If Jesus calling 12 men to go out into a dangerous world and at a time when a woman's testimony was not valued, is some sort of yardstick, then stop giving (and taking, you women who've adopted this faulty thinking) Holy Communion to women coz there weren't women at the last supper. So stop all apostolic churches. Stop giving holy communion to women because there were no women with Jesus and the 12. Dare anyone to try and look Christ in the eye later. Also, no OT priest or NT Apostle was a non-Jew. Are all Catholic priests Jewish men? For those who are not, they dont meet the criteria represented by the OT and NT.
YOU: Lord Jesus Christ ordained the Priesthood *ME: You contradict the Apostles -- there is no formal priesthood in the church. PETER taught that ALL believers are now the priests of GOD* -- see 1Peter 2:5,9, Rev 1:6, etc -- *because GOD Himself now indwells ALL believers; believers are now the Temple of GOD where GOD Himself dwells on earth* -- 1Corinth 3:16, etc) -- *and therefore, ALL believers have DIRECT ACCESS to God/Jesus* -- Ephesians 2:18, etc -- *and thus are to pray DIRECTLY TO GOD/Jesus* -- see John 14:13-14, John 16:23, etc -- *and confess our faults/sins to each other* (James 5:16). JESUS never "ordained a formal priesthood" -- total heresy taught by men that desperately want spiritual/religious control/authority over God's people -- *which contradicts JESUS in Matthew 20:25-26, Matthew 23:9-10, 1Peter 5:3, 1John **2:27**, etc.*
Yep ironic they condemn the Church for having a male only priesthood instituted by Jesus Himself....and say we put down women the patriarchy...yet they condemn Our Blessed Mother who has the highest esteem in the Church...they put her down all the time! God have mercy on those who do this...pray for them.
Show me in scripture where we are directed to worship, honor, or pray to Mary. Take a hint. Nowhere in scripture are we directed to worship, honor, or pray to Mary. However, I can say that Mary was a sinner. Here is Romans 3:23 : for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Therefore, I will not.
@@JE-western-rider Catholics don't worship, in the biblical sense, Mary. BTW: Pls show me in the Bible the exact, explicit ingredients of what constitutes and how to worship? So, in Romans 3:23 does that apply to Jesus, babies, the mentally challenged, etc. too?
YOU: Yep ironic they condemn the Church for having a male only priesthood instituted by Jesus Himself. *ME: LOL. Jesus didn't institute a formal priesthood for the Church. "Priests" are NOT listed in any church positions of 1Corinth 12, Ephesians 4, etc. THAT is why you can't find any actual SCRIPTURE written by the Apostles who STARTED the Church, that ever mentions a priesthood.* Read PETER in 1Peter 2:5,9, 1Peter 5:3, and then read Rev 1:6, James 5:16, Matthew 20:25-26, Matthew 23:9-10, 1John 2:27, 1Ephesians 2:18, John 14:13-14, etc. Sheeeeesh. Learn Truth from the Apostles who started the Church.
Very good Joseph. Spot on. The Catholic Church does not hate women but values many of them as teachers. I'll give you an example. Professor Amy-Jill Levine is the E. Rhodes and Leona B. Carpenter Professor of New Testament Studies at the Vanderbilt University Divinity School. She may have retired since I took her Old Testament course because that was years ago. However, it demonstrates your point that the Catholic Church values women and their contribution to the Church as teachers even today. These claims against the Church is nothing more than women trying to justify their positions as pastors when it is diametrically opposed by all scripture, New and Old Testament.
With regards to your thoughts about including God's daughters in certain roles in church, and home, we must engage with the original language in the earliest manuscripts. We must be careful not to restrict the call of the Holy Spirit and be careful not to preach a Christ who discriminates... There are no male pronouns in 1 Tim 3. There's a idiom for monogamy. In 1 Tim 2, Paul did not silence (bad English translation) women who he hails as colleagues in Romans 16. He told Ephesian men to not argue and women to come in contemplative stillness and told Timothy to let them learn! That's an imperative. Students should adopt the posture of contemplation and quietness. Also, he was not talking about the creation account as the foundation of the 1 Tim 2 passage... Since he would not dismiss Genesis 1 where there is no creation order or hierarchy. He was writing about 1st degree vs 2nd degree sinner... much insight to be gained from www.tru316.com The creation design is the two shall be one which Jesus repeats in the New Testament. No hierarchy. In Eph 2:22 there is no word "submit" in Greek. It's taken from Eph 5:21... submit ONE TO ANOTHER. NO male headship. Rest of passage is head body metaphor which Paul makes clear in remainder of passage. Your head can't function with your pancreas, limbs, stomach etc. Whole body in unity with each other. Whole as body of Christ. Reading authority is from a carnal lens. Jesus already gave the standard on this. No ruling over each other. Early church had female leaders and preachers commissioned by the Holy Spirit and women leaders Romans 16 plus a whole host from history. God does not discriminate. The opposite is a Gen 3 mentality. Read not a few verses out of the cannonical or historical context written to local churches. Read not a few verses while denying the rest of God's word. Read all of Scripture through the eternal standard of the LIVING WORD. Seek God's word by commiting to understand what the original Hebrew and Greek said. English translations are problematic. Scholarship and academia know this. Much insight to be gained from Www.tru316.com www.patheos.com/blogs/zackhunt/2014/03/complementarianism-the-churchs-segregation-problem/ Www.tru316.com jamespruch.wordpress.com/let-her-lead/ www.cbeinternational.org/resource/women-and-words-male-pronouns-dont-exist-in-1-timothy/ terranwilliams.com/the-biblical-case-for-women-in-leadership-and-why-mike-winger-the-gospel-coalition-and-the-southern-baptists-are-wrong-about-this/
We must be careful not to cherry-pick verses by indoctrination. OT priests were ritual experts (John Walton, OT scholar and several others). For those huge sacrifices once a year in the temple, women cudnt leave their homes lest life come to a standstill. OT priesthood was not a gendered exclusion. The majority of males cudnt be OT priests. And not above age 50 among other things. That wud disqualify all priests in yhe Catholic church above age 50. Many leave out many of the criteria for OT priesthood. The NT priesthood is the priesthood of believers. Not the priesthood of males. There are no male pastors or priests named in the NT. Jesus didn't ordain male priests or bishops or pastors. The Church/Eklessia is all believers, a called out people - both men and women. The Church/Eklessia is the bride of Christ. (So men are also invited to be a bride of Christ!) Discrimination based only on gender is pure unadulterated dogma from man's tradition even though Jesus set everyone free from this thinking. If Jesus calling 12 men to go out into a dangerous world and at a time when a woman's testimony was not valued, is some sort of yardstick, then stop giving (and taking, you women who've adopted this faulty thinking) Holy Communion to women coz there weren't women at the last supper. So stop all apostolic churches. Stop giving holy communion to women because there were no women with Jesus and the 12. Dare anyone to try and look Christ in the eye later. Also, no OT priest or NT Apostle was a non-Jew. Are all Catholic priests Jewish men? For those who are not, they dont meet the criteria represented by the OT and NT.
@Bible33AD There were women with Jesus and the male apostles however I certainly appreciate your comment which needed saying.I knew I was not a lone voice .Thank you.
Ordain is misspelled in your title. It is not Ordian. The Episcopal church has been ordaining women priests, bishops, homosexuals for decades!! I was baptized and confirmed in the Episcopal church in 1954 and 1967. I stopped attending church in 1970. I briefly returned in 1980 after my son was born and sometime in the 1980's they had the first female priest I had ever seen. I left again until the early 2000's briefly again and finally in 2008 I converted to the Catholic church!! After hearing this female bishop speak to President Trump so rudely at the prayer breakfast I was so thankful I don't belong to that church anymore!!
With regards to your thoughts about including God's daughters in certain roles in church, and home, we must engage with the original language in the earliest manuscripts. We must be careful not to restrict the call of the Holy Spirit and be careful not to preach a Christ who discriminates... There are no male pronouns in 1 Tim 3. There's a idiom for monogamy. In 1 Tim 2, Paul did not silence (bad English translation) women who he hails as colleagues in Romans 16. He told Ephesian men to not argue and women to come in contemplative stillness and told Timothy to let them learn! That's an imperative. Students should adopt the posture of contemplation and quietness. Also, he was not talking about the creation account as the foundation of the 1 Tim 2 passage... Since he would not dismiss Genesis 1 where there is no creation order or hierarchy. He was writing about 1st degree vs 2nd degree sinner... much insight to be gained from www.tru316.com The creation design is the two shall be one which Jesus repeats in the New Testament. No hierarchy. In Eph 2:22 there is no word "submit" in Greek. It's taken from Eph 5:21... submit ONE TO ANOTHER. NO male headship. Rest of passage is head body metaphor which Paul makes clear in remainder of passage. Your head can't function with your pancreas, limbs, stomach etc. Whole body in unity with each other. Whole as body of Christ. Reading authority is from a carnal lens. Jesus already gave the standard on this. No ruling over each other. Early church had female leaders and preachers commissioned by the Holy Spirit and women leaders Romans 16 plus a whole host from history. God does not discriminate. The opposite is a Gen 3 mentality. Read not a few verses out of the cannonical or historical context written to local churches. Read not a few verses while denying the rest of God's word. Read all of Scripture through the eternal standard of the LIVING WORD. Seek God's word by commiting to understand what the original Hebrew and Greek said. English translations are problematic. Scholarship and academia know this. Much insight to be gained from Www.tru316.com www.patheos.com/blogs/zackhunt/2014/03/complementarianism-the-churchs-segregation-problem/ Www.tru316.com jamespruch.wordpress.com/let-her-lead/ www.cbeinternational.org/resource/women-and-words-male-pronouns-dont-exist-in-1-timothy/ terranwilliams.com/the-biblical-case-for-women-in-leadership-and-why-mike-winger-the-gospel-coalition-and-the-southern-baptists-are-wrong-about-this/
@@worldclass64 She is a perfect example why woman should be bishops,because she cares about all her flock and in Christ she pleaded with Trump a known liar,mysoginist rapist and 37 times convicted felon to show compassion instead of appealing to hating the lgbt community.the transgender community and immigrants.She should be applauded not threatened with deportation.
Thank you for these observations. I'd add another reason. If we accept that Jesus Christ is God incarnate then we must assume that He foresaw a time when the objection to male only priests would arise. He must have foreseen this happening. But even in foreseeing this, Jesus still only appointed men as apostles. It is therefore clear that Jesus only wanted men to be appointed as priests.
They were support roles and was the pillar in the financial fund raiser for the whole team. But yes, they had different roles, imagine being a woman and have to run for your life in the wilderness and eventually being tortured/Klld. That is why this was tasked by men
Apostle... a sent messenger.... Samaritan woman, the Magdelene, Romans 16 women, Junia... read good scholarship. With regards to your thoughts about including God's daughters in certain roles in church, and home, we must engage with the original language in the earliest manuscripts. We must be careful not to restrict the call of the Holy Spirit and be careful not to preach a Christ who discriminates... There are no male pronouns in 1 Tim 3. There's a idiom for monogamy. In 1 Tim 2, Paul did not silence (bad English translation) women who he hails as colleagues in Romans 16. He told Ephesian men to not argue and women to come in contemplative stillness and told Timothy to let them learn! That's an imperative. Students should adopt the posture of contemplation and quietness. Also, he was not talking about the creation account as the foundation of the 1 Tim 2 passage... Since he would not dismiss Genesis 1 where there is no creation order or hierarchy. He was writing about 1st degree vs 2nd degree sinner... much insight to be gained from www.tru316.com The creation design is the two shall be one which Jesus repeats in the New Testament. No hierarchy. In Eph 2:22 there is no word "submit" in Greek. It's taken from Eph 5:21... submit ONE TO ANOTHER. NO male headship. Rest of passage is head body metaphor which Paul makes clear in remainder of passage. Your head can't function with your pancreas, limbs, stomach etc. Whole body in unity with each other. Whole as body of Christ. Reading authority is from a carnal lens. Jesus already gave the standard on this. No ruling over each other. Early church had female leaders and preachers commissioned by the Holy Spirit and women leaders Romans 16 plus a whole host from history. God does not discriminate. The opposite is a Gen 3 mentality. Read not a few verses out of the cannonical or historical context written to local churches. Read not a few verses while denying the rest of God's word. Read all of Scripture through the eternal standard of the LIVING WORD. Seek God's word by commiting to understand what the original Hebrew and Greek said. English translations are problematic. Scholarship and academia know this. Much insight to be gained from Www.tru316.com www.patheos.com/blogs/zackhunt/2014/03/complementarianism-the-churchs-segregation-problem/ Www.tru316.com jamespruch.wordpress.com/let-her-lead/ www.cbeinternational.org/resource/women-and-words-male-pronouns-dont-exist-in-1-timothy/ terranwilliams.com/the-biblical-case-for-women-in-leadership-and-why-mike-winger-the-gospel-coalition-and-the-southern-baptists-are-wrong-about-this/
@@KRFrostFire1Women ran for their lives, they were tortured, they were killed for their faith, they died in the colosseum. Read the martyr files. Inform yourself before posting such nonsense and disrespecting the martyrs who laid down their lives for their faith in Christ.
Let's all be just simple Christian who only follow the teaching of Lord Jesus Christ . Pointing fingers would'nt help any denomination and it'll be like opening a can of worms as non is perfect but also let's be alert of false prophets and woke churches.
I am an ordained Episcopalian minister and have seen this denomination fall away long ago, as have most Protestants. But the Roman Catholic church became apostate in the 4th century. So before you cast the first stone, correct the papal heresies, which sins are piled as high as the heavens.
You need to be specific in your allegation,so that a proper answer can be given to you and others,who hold the same ideology. Which of the popes in the 4th century,and what were the heresies?
@@damianikpeazu4681 Firstly, papacy is forbidden by God in the Holy Bible (e.g. Mt.23:9). Vicarage, where someone assumes the office of Christ on earth, is an idea taken directly from the Babylonian "religion," which was--and still is--centered in Rome (Paul labeled vicars as antichrists, q.v.). In unfiltered church history, the original catholic church--which does not resemble Roman Catholicism that formed much later--referred to Rome as Babylon. The apostle John did the same in Rev., esp. chapter 17. If not Rome, what then was the "great city"? If not papal Rome, who "martyred" 900,000 Christans during the Inquisition; who anointed kings, contingent upon them forcing their subjects to "drink from her cup fornication"? Praying to a dead saint is the most intimate form of worship that the apostles understood to be fornication and harlotry. A good place to start is to read the letters that the earliest bishops wrote to each other, some of which were students of the apostles: viz. Papias, Polycarp, Barnabas, Ignatius, Iranaeus et al. A literal translation of their letters is available in "The Apostolic Fathers" by Lightfoot and Harmon (Amazon). If you are genuinely interested in the facts, and have sufficient humility to learn and courage to examine established history, do read Foxe's Book of Martyrs. What a jewel of literature is that compilation, which perfectly harmonizes with Rev.17. I am a professor of NT Greek and Bible translator. If you care, I am willing to provide you with a few tools that you can use yourself to correctly exegete Mt. 16:18,19, the passage that is widely mistranslated, even by Protestants.
With regards to your thoughts about including God's daughters in certain roles in church, and home, we must engage with the original language in the earliest manuscripts. We must be careful not to restrict the call of the Holy Spirit and be careful not to preach a Christ who discriminates... There are no male pronouns in 1 Tim 3. There's a idiom for monogamy. In 1 Tim 2, Paul did not silence (bad English translation) women who he hails as colleagues in Romans 16. He told Ephesian men to not argue and women to come in contemplative stillness and told Timothy to let them learn! That's an imperative. Students should adopt the posture of contemplation and quietness. Also, he was not talking about the creation account as the foundation of the 1 Tim 2 passage... Since he would not dismiss Genesis 1 where there is no creation order or hierarchy. He was writing about 1st degree vs 2nd degree sinner... much insight to be gained from www.tru316.com The creation design is the two shall be one which Jesus repeats in the New Testament. No hierarchy. In Eph 2:22 there is no word "submit" in Greek. It's taken from Eph 5:21... submit ONE TO ANOTHER. NO male headship. Rest of passage is head body metaphor which Paul makes clear in remainder of passage. Your head can't function with your pancreas, limbs, stomach etc. Whole body in unity with each other. Whole as body of Christ. Reading authority is from a carnal lens. Jesus already gave the standard on this. No ruling over each other. Early church had female leaders and preachers commissioned by the Holy Spirit and women leaders Romans 16 plus a whole host from history. God does not discriminate. The opposite is a Gen 3 mentality. Read not a few verses out of the cannonical or historical context written to local churches. Read not a few verses while denying the rest of God's word. Read all of Scripture through the eternal standard of the LIVING WORD. Seek God's word by commiting to understand what the original Hebrew and Greek said. English translations are problematic. Scholarship and academia know this. Much insight to be gained from Www.tru316.com www.patheos.com/blogs/zackhunt/2014/03/complementarianism-the-churchs-segregation-problem/ Www.tru316.com jamespruch.wordpress.com/let-her-lead/ www.cbeinternational.org/resource/women-and-words-male-pronouns-dont-exist-in-1-timothy/ terranwilliams.com/the-biblical-case-for-women-in-leadership-and-why-mike-winger-the-gospel-coalition-and-the-southern-baptists-are-wrong-about-this/
They must use the term "woman priest" because the word "priest" is, by definition, male. The accurate term would be "priestess", as this is by definition, female.
You argue that women cannot be priests because Jesus and Peter were men. But at the time of Jesus, women were undervalued and often ignored in society. Times have changed-haven’t they? In 1 Timothy 3, Paul states that a bishop must be "the husband of one wife" and "manage his household well, keeping his children submissive and respectful." Let me ask: is the priest at your church married? Does he have children? And if he does, are his children respectful and obedient? Paul was clear: "If someone does not know how to manage his own household, how can he take care of God’s church?" Yet, this teaching is often ignored as long as the leader is male. Why is that? In my own life, my mother was the true leader of our household. She worked, prepared meals, tutored us, ensured we received an education, and disciplined us when necessary. Meanwhile, my father spent his time resting or socializing. Leadership, compassion, and strength were modeled by my mother-qualities essential for running a church. Paul’s description of church leadership aligns more closely today with the roles many women already fulfill: strong, compassionate, and capable of managing households and communities. To dismiss women from such roles purely because of their gender is not faithfulness to scripture; it is blatant misogyny. Jesus taught compassion and mercy. Let’s not forget, it was a woman who courageously stood up to the president in defense of her flock, reminding him that true Christianity requires compassion and mercy, while male priests remained silent.
You have just made the point why women aren't priests. They fulfill many other duties not assigned to men. Your first point that in Jesus' time women were not held in high regard, but Jesus wouldn't have followed the signs of the times would he? He was transformative. If he thought there should be a female disciple he would've chosen one regardless of the norm.
@@jerryrip You claim that Jesus wouldn’t have followed the signs of the times if he believed women should have been disciples, and yet he didn’t choose one. But this assumes that Jesus’ actions and decisions always conformed to eternal, unchangeable principles rather than the cultural and practical constraints of his time. Jesus was transformative in many ways-speaking with women (e.g., the Samaritan woman at the well), allowing them to sit at his feet as disciples (like Mary of Bethany), and commissioning women as the first witnesses to his resurrection, even when women’s testimonies were not valued in that era. These were radical departures from the norms of his time. The fact that he didn’t name a female among the Twelve doesn’t mean women are excluded from leadership; it may reflect the societal realities he was operating within. Additionally, let’s consider other biblical instructions. The Bible, under the Old Testament law, also includes practices we no longer follow-slavery, treating women as property, and capital punishment for things like working on the Sabbath. Jesus himself reinterpreted the law (‘You have heard it said... but I say to you’) and prioritized love, justice, and mercy over rigid legalism. So why do we cling to male-only priesthood when the broader spirit of his teachings challenges such exclusionary practices? Finally, Paul’s letters state that church leaders should be men with well-behaved children, yet Catholic priests today are celibate and childless. If we can overlook that requirement, why can’t we reassess the exclusion of women? Women fulfill many leadership roles in the Church-teachers, administrators, caregivers-and often embody the qualities that Paul and Jesus valued in leaders, like compassion, wisdom, and service. If Jesus’ ministry and teachings were truly about transformation, shouldn’t we embrace a faith that continues to evolve in the same spirit?
No one seemed to care about female priests until one had the courage to ask for compassion and mercy for LGBTQ+ individuals and immigrants. Here's an idea: go to your church, sit in the confession booth, and say to your priest, "Father, I have sinned. I never had an issue with female priests until one exposed my own biases. I don’t like gays, and I don’t like immigrants in my country. When she asked for compassion and mercy, was she wrong? Should I feel this way? What would Jesus have done if he were in her place?" Then, let us know what your priest thinks.
While you’re right about catholic priesthood, you felt into a mind trap in the title for this video: protestants can neither ordain, nor not ordain women as priests because they don’t have priests or bishops, nor can they have them. Period. Not even men.
This was already established when the word became flesh, “The Seed Is The Word, And The Word Was God” established and spoken from our Lord Jesus Christ. The man distributes the seed, the woman receives the seed and nurtures it and raises it taking it into her love, a good example is our Blessed Mother and the Incarnation of the God Man, Christ. This is the reason why a woman can never be ordained a priest let alone a Bishop in God’s Magisterium, his Catholic Church, they are know as sisters or nuns but their proper title to address them is sisters.
@@eddyrobichaud5832 She is not a self proclaimed priest I find American Catholics( not all!) so nasty and very unchrist like which as a Catholic is deeply upsetting and sad.
@eddyrobichaud5832 Why do you put a question mark after my name.Are you confused about something.Use your brain and and ask or better still work it out.
She is not the only person to make such statements. Many male pastors fully agree with her. She was only advocating emulating Jesus's teachings of love and helping your fellow man.
With regards to your thoughts about including God's daughters in certain roles in church, and home, we must engage with the original language in the earliest manuscripts. We must be careful not to restrict the call of the Holy Spirit and be careful not to preach a Christ who discriminates... There are no male pronouns in 1 Tim 3. There's a idiom for monogamy. In 1 Tim 2, Paul did not silence (bad English translation) women who he hails as colleagues in Romans 16. He told Ephesian men to not argue and women to come in contemplative stillness and told Timothy to let them learn! That's an imperative. Students should adopt the posture of contemplation and quietness. Also, he was not talking about the creation account as the foundation of the 1 Tim 2 passage... Since he would not dismiss Genesis 1 where there is no creation order or hierarchy. He was writing about 1st degree vs 2nd degree sinner... much insight to be gained from www.tru316.com The creation design is the two shall be one which Jesus repeats in the New Testament. No hierarchy. In Eph 2:22 there is no word "submit" in Greek. It's taken from Eph 5:21... submit ONE TO ANOTHER. NO male headship. Rest of passage is head body metaphor which Paul makes clear in remainder of passage. Your head can't function with your pancreas, limbs, stomach etc. Whole body in unity with each other. Whole as body of Christ. Reading authority is from a carnal lens. Jesus already gave the standard on this. No ruling over each other. Early church had female leaders and preachers commissioned by the Holy Spirit and women leaders Romans 16 plus a whole host from history. God does not discriminate. The opposite is a Gen 3 mentality. Read not a few verses out of the cannonical or historical context written to local churches. Read not a few verses while denying the rest of God's word. Read all of Scripture through the eternal standard of the LIVING WORD. Seek God's word by commiting to understand what the original Hebrew and Greek said. English translations are problematic. Scholarship and academia know this. Much insight to be gained from Www.tru316.com www.patheos.com/blogs/zackhunt/2014/03/complementarianism-the-churchs-segregation-problem/ Www.tru316.com jamespruch.wordpress.com/let-her-lead/ www.cbeinternational.org/resource/women-and-words-male-pronouns-dont-exist-in-1-timothy/ terranwilliams.com/the-biblical-case-for-women-in-leadership-and-why-mike-winger-the-gospel-coalition-and-the-southern-baptists-are-wrong-about-this/
Jesus as God was profoundly practical and wise. The 12 Apostles and Jesus' many disciples had to traverse and travel long distances preaching and teaching and offering the sacrifice of the Mass that Jesus taught them and the new faith to whole new, culturally different and sometimes hostile nations of Gentiles. They had to be hardy and rugged men who could withstand and adapt to unknown hardships and challenges even imprisonment. The women in those times were mostly house bound and were the nurturers, supporters, providers and the financial backers of the Apostles. Helping them out in any way they could and that was needed to promote the faith. That was how the early Church evolved in strength and resilience.
@jenniferboht961 Hi friend, what's the name of your church. I'm not trying to argue, my family is mixed with protestants and Catholics. I go to both services. They are both beautiful.
@jenniferboht961 Yes, I'm glad that you are not ashamed of your faith in Christ Jesus. That's a blessing. Im in Recovery for many things and I need Jesus as my savior.
I had a conversation with a Protestant relative of mine about this recently and they were saying that they had female pastors and deacons who were good. I brought up 1 Timothy 2:11-15. There are probably other verses that say something similar, but this one is about as subtle as a brick on what it says. I have no room for interpretation whatsoever. I HAVE to take it at its face value. And I sourced it from the KJV so there was no way to explain it away. All they could say was “well I’ll have to go to my church and ask our deacons and pastor to see if there is an extra meaning to it.” I then asked if the Bible is the word of god and the only infallible authority, which they said yes. I then stated that they are basically saying that god is wrong and that they know better by directly contradicting the scriptures, which Protestants pride themselves on saying they follow scripture alone. I made a very simple argument and couldn’t get a straight response from them.
With regards to your thoughts about including God's daughters in certain roles in church, and home, we must engage with the original language in the earliest manuscripts. We must be careful not to restrict the call of the Holy Spirit and be careful not to preach a Christ who discriminates... There are no male pronouns in 1 Tim 3. There's a idiom for monogamy. In 1 Tim 2, Paul did not silence (bad English translation) women who he hails as colleagues in Romans 16. He told Ephesian men to not argue and women to come in contemplative stillness and told Timothy to let them learn! That's an imperative. Students should adopt the posture of contemplation and quietness. Also, he was not talking about the creation account as the foundation of the 1 Tim 2 passage... Since he would not dismiss Genesis 1 where there is no creation order or hierarchy. He was writing about 1st degree vs 2nd degree sinner... much insight to be gained from www.tru316.com The creation design is the two shall be one which Jesus repeats in the New Testament. No hierarchy. In Eph 2:22 there is no word "submit" in Greek. It's taken from Eph 5:21... submit ONE TO ANOTHER. NO male headship. Rest of passage is head body metaphor which Paul makes clear in remainder of passage. Your head can't function with your pancreas, limbs, stomach etc. Whole body in unity with each other. Whole as body of Christ. Reading authority is from a carnal lens. Jesus already gave the standard on this. No ruling over each other. Early church had female leaders and preachers commissioned by the Holy Spirit and women leaders Romans 16 plus a whole host from history. God does not discriminate. The opposite is a Gen 3 mentality. Read not a few verses out of the cannonical or historical context written to local churches. Read not a few verses while denying the rest of God's word. Read all of Scripture through the eternal standard of the LIVING WORD. Seek God's word by commiting to understand what the original Hebrew and Greek said. English translations are problematic. Scholarship and academia know this. Much insight to be gained from Www.tru316.com www.patheos.com/blogs/zackhunt/2014/03/complementarianism-the-churchs-segregation-problem/ Www.tru316.com jamespruch.wordpress.com/let-her-lead/ www.cbeinternational.org/resource/women-and-words-male-pronouns-dont-exist-in-1-timothy/ terranwilliams.com/the-biblical-case-for-women-in-leadership-and-why-mike-winger-the-gospel-coalition-and-the-southern-baptists-are-wrong-about-this/
@@uncleyoda1834 It was Paul's suggestion that women should not lead church, not Jesus'. Jesus never discriminated against women but gave more importance to women, such as his decision to come to earth as son of a woman and his first appearance before a woman after resurrection. Protestants follow words and teachings of Jesus Christ and give more importance to gospel than any other part of Bible.
With regards to your thoughts about including God's daughters in certain roles in church, and home, we must engage with the original language in the earliest manuscripts. We must be careful not to restrict the call of the Holy Spirit and be careful not to preach a Christ who discriminates... There are no male pronouns in 1 Tim 3. There's a idiom for monogamy. In 1 Tim 2, Paul did not silence (bad English translation) women who he hails as colleagues in Romans 16. He told Ephesian men to not argue and women to come in contemplative stillness and told Timothy to let them learn! That's an imperative. Students should adopt the posture of contemplation and quietness. Also, he was not talking about the creation account as the foundation of the 1 Tim 2 passage... Since he would not dismiss Genesis 1 where there is no creation order or hierarchy. He was writing about 1st degree vs 2nd degree sinner... much insight to be gained from www.tru316.com The creation design is the two shall be one which Jesus repeats in the New Testament. No hierarchy. In Eph 2:22 there is no word "submit" in Greek. It's taken from Eph 5:21... submit ONE TO ANOTHER. NO male headship. Rest of passage is head body metaphor which Paul makes clear in remainder of passage. Your head can't function with your pancreas, limbs, stomach etc. Whole body in unity with each other. Whole as body of Christ. Reading authority is from a carnal lens. Jesus already gave the standard on this. No ruling over each other. Early church had female leaders and preachers commissioned by the Holy Spirit and women leaders Romans 16 plus a whole host from history. God does not discriminate. The opposite is a Gen 3 mentality. Read not a few verses out of the cannonical or historical context written to local churches. Read not a few verses while denying the rest of God's word. Read all of Scripture through the eternal standard of the LIVING WORD. Seek God's word by commiting to understand what the original Hebrew and Greek said. English translations are problematic. Scholarship and academia know this. Much insight to be gained from Www.tru316.com www.patheos.com/blogs/zackhunt/2014/03/complementarianism-the-churchs-segregation-problem/ Www.tru316.com jamespruch.wordpress.com/let-her-lead/ www.cbeinternational.org/resource/women-and-words-male-pronouns-dont-exist-in-1-timothy/ terranwilliams.com/the-biblical-case-for-women-in-leadership-and-why-mike-winger-the-gospel-coalition-and-the-southern-baptists-are-wrong-about-this/
It is very clear from scripture that women should not be pastors or in the clergy. The particular bishop who addressed Trump does appear to be controversial, not for the sake of the gospel but for her own personal preferences. I’m not saying there aren’t fantastic women in the church and truthfully churches could not function without them. However we have seen nuns abusing each other and children without opposition, even a blind eye turned towards their behaviour. This proves the men who are supposed to be leaders are not up to the job.
With regards to your thoughts about including God's daughters in certain roles in church, and home, we must engage with the original language in the earliest manuscripts. We must be careful not to restrict the call of the Holy Spirit and be careful not to preach a Christ who discriminates... There are no male pronouns in 1 Tim 3. There's a idiom for monogamy. In 1 Tim 2, Paul did not silence (bad English translation) women who he hails as colleagues in Romans 16. He told Ephesian men to not argue and women to come in contemplative stillness and told Timothy to let them learn! That's an imperative. Students should adopt the posture of contemplation and quietness. Also, he was not talking about the creation account as the foundation of the 1 Tim 2 passage... Since he would not dismiss Genesis 1 where there is no creation order or hierarchy. He was writing about 1st degree vs 2nd degree sinner... much insight to be gained from www.tru316.com The creation design is the two shall be one which Jesus repeats in the New Testament. No hierarchy. In Eph 2:22 there is no word "submit" in Greek. It's taken from Eph 5:21... submit ONE TO ANOTHER. NO male headship. Rest of passage is head body metaphor which Paul makes clear in remainder of passage. Your head can't function with your pancreas, limbs, stomach etc. Whole body in unity with each other. Whole as body of Christ. Reading authority is from a carnal lens. Jesus already gave the standard on this. No ruling over each other. Early church had female leaders and preachers commissioned by the Holy Spirit and women leaders Romans 16 plus a whole host from history. God does not discriminate. The opposite is a Gen 3 mentality. Read not a few verses out of the cannonical or historical context written to local churches. Read not a few verses while denying the rest of God's word. Read all of Scripture through the eternal standard of the LIVING WORD. Seek God's word by commiting to understand what the original Hebrew and Greek said. English translations are problematic. Scholarship and academia know this. Much insight to be gained from Www.tru316.com www.patheos.com/blogs/zackhunt/2014/03/complementarianism-the-churchs-segregation-problem/ Www.tru316.com jamespruch.wordpress.com/let-her-lead/ www.cbeinternational.org/resource/women-and-words-male-pronouns-dont-exist-in-1-timothy/ terranwilliams.com/the-biblical-case-for-women-in-leadership-and-why-mike-winger-the-gospel-coalition-and-the-southern-baptists-are-wrong-about-this/
For the general information of people who left some 'episcopal chutch ' and joined the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church is also an episcopal church. Because the Catholic Church also has bishops (epiacopa). All the churches which has bishops are episcopal churches, including the Catholic Church. I agree that women should not be ordained, as I have seen the trouble they have created in their churches.
In that case stop giving cimmunion to all women coz you think if they weren't there then they werent chosen. With regards to your thoughts about including God's daughters in certain roles in church, and home, we must engage with the original language in the earliest manuscripts. We must be careful not to restrict the call of the Holy Spirit and be careful not to preach a Christ who discriminates... There are no male pronouns in 1 Tim 3. There's a idiom for monogamy. In 1 Tim 2, Paul did not silence (bad English translation) women who he hails as colleagues in Romans 16. He told Ephesian men to not argue and women to come in contemplative stillness and told Timothy to let them learn! That's an imperative. Students should adopt the posture of contemplation and quietness. Also, he was not talking about the creation account as the foundation of the 1 Tim 2 passage... Since he would not dismiss Genesis 1 where there is no creation order or hierarchy. He was writing about 1st degree vs 2nd degree sinner... much insight to be gained from www.tru316.com The creation design is the two shall be one which Jesus repeats in the New Testament. No hierarchy. In Eph 2:22 there is no word "submit" in Greek. It's taken from Eph 5:21... submit ONE TO ANOTHER. NO male headship. Rest of passage is head body metaphor which Paul makes clear in remainder of passage. Your head can't function with your pancreas, limbs, stomach etc. Whole body in unity with each other. Whole as body of Christ. Reading authority is from a carnal lens. Jesus already gave the standard on this. No ruling over each other. Early church had female leaders and preachers commissioned by the Holy Spirit and women leaders Romans 16 plus a whole host from history. God does not discriminate. The opposite is a Gen 3 mentality. Read not a few verses out of the cannonical or historical context written to local churches. Read not a few verses while denying the rest of God's word. Read all of Scripture through the eternal standard of the LIVING WORD. Seek God's word by commiting to understand what the original Hebrew and Greek said. English translations are problematic. Scholarship and academia know this. Much insight to be gained from Www.tru316.com www.patheos.com/blogs/zackhunt/2014/03/complementarianism-the-churchs-segregation-problem/ Www.tru316.com jamespruch.wordpress.com/let-her-lead/ www.cbeinternational.org/resource/women-and-words-male-pronouns-dont-exist-in-1-timothy/ terranwilliams.com/the-biblical-case-for-women-in-leadership-and-why-mike-winger-the-gospel-coalition-and-the-southern-baptists-are-wrong-about-this/
Hildegard of Bingham, St Joan, and St Mary MacKillop were all disowned by the corporate Church while they were alive. Can’t recall a lot of male saints who had similar problems. And what is wrong with an Episcopal bishop reminding us of the actions and words of Jesus Christ? If a politician doesn’t like that he can search his heart or stop going to Church or point out where Jesus got it wrong!
while it is true that women are not to be ordained in the Catholic Church. Budde is not Catholic. I think it is not our duty to inform Protestants what they should be doing or vice versa. I think her message simply ruffled a few political feathers, nothing more.
They pretty much break Sola scriptura, every time they do this. Protestantism is a lets do what ever we want, and break Sola Scriptura every time we start a new denomination lol.I love my Protestant friends dearly, but I will never understand it.
Saying that women have always been influential in the Church is not the same as saying that women have always qualified for positions of leadership in the the Church. Women have usually had leadership over other women in religious orders or over young people in Catholic education but not often in the Church as a whole. Even now, many conservative Catholics condemn Pope Francis' appointment of a nun to head a Vatican Dicastery. This is another example of the low opinion many in the Church still have for women. The Anglican lay writer C.S.Lewis wrote about this question about 1940 in his article "Should we have priestesses in the church?" His view was that we should do whatever best helps the Church in its mission. Simply because the New Testament mentions nothing about having women priests (I think they were called elders then) does not really prove there weren't any. Yet the Church ordaining women to the priesthood I think will alienate millions of conservative Catholics who might seek membership in Orthodoxy or in Eastern Churches. It will probably put the kaibosh on unity with the Orthodox. Yet not ordaining women feels like an injustice to women of faith who exhibit leadership and inteligence and whose gifts go wasted.
In the NT they were at least deaconnesses but now the EOC says women can't be even deaconnesses and their only work as "deaconnesses" was washing, I don't think so as told by Paul they were probably prophesysing while being veiled. Some old painting seems to prove this point. The EOC even forbid women for lectures of the Bible when the Catholic Church gladly agree with it and the majority of lecturers(reading a chapter ) are women.
I don't want to be called a sexist, in general, women are a lot more cunning & articulate than man, but also can be a lot more ruthless, there are good women, but also a lot of bad men. Mother Mary was a saint, a leader in the Christian movement, God trusted her, God loved her, so this is a very complex issue.
Very sad people follow the world and put in into the Bible. If you are priest, it means you follow the Christ. Following the world does not make you priest.
Here is a dillema: If the Catholic Church were to ordain women as priests people would object and leave, as current understanding has it. There is a falling away as things are. When Christ came in to this world he would not have been listened to had it have been as a female. It was a world in which it was very tough and Jesus chose tough men to be His Apostles. While the Church forbids priests to be married, Jesus chose married men. So it could be reasoned that the Church is going against Christ on that issue. So would the Church be going against Christ if it ordained women as priests? It could use Matt 18:18 to help justify ordaining women. We live in a very different world to what it was then. That is no small issue. St. Theresa of Calcutta was at a place where Communion could not be partaken because no priest was there for something like 3 months. That shows that the sex was more important than taking Christ in Communion! There is one Christ, and one Spirit. It is not a Christ for a man and another for a woman. Nor is it one Spirit for a man and and another for a woman. It is the same Christ in the woman as it is for man that is the hope of glory. The Church has knowingly tolerated very sinful men to administer Communion. Yet a female with the right heart has not. Sex should not be the god that dominates the Church. That has long been an issue without the Church knowing it. Now more than ever, the Church should allow women to be ordained. It needs to recognise Christ in the woman, so Christ would indeed be present. I would have no problem with that.(Col 1:27)
I do not buy into the idea that a slight difference in anatomy would disqualify a fellow human to serve in a purely spiritual capacity as a vicar or bishop....the flesh plays no part in such callings........I guess that is one of the reasons I am no longer Catholic but Anglican.
I disagree with your viewpoint. I left the Episcopal Church to become Catholic. My husband was an Episcopal Priest for almost 20 years. He left TEC in 2012 to become Catholic. Gender does matter to God. He created male and female for a good reason. Men and women are equal, but not the same. They compliment eachother.
Is she forwarding the Word of God or the word of the times? The last scene I can recall that featured Trans culture was the LA parade that mocked the crucifixion. Maybe she should work on her own people before criticizing anyone else.
Protestant should remove all the bishop or whatever position in the church it is not in the teaching of Jesus Christ.in the first place preach is not for god.
Your arguments are reasonable when it comes to historical perspective. But there are more theological and Anthropological reasons too. One specific example is the personality of Jesus, the Lord was a male, for salvation, redemption, and as a sacrifice on the cross God chose a male, Jewish literature very clear on that. in order to sacrifice as an offering it should be a male animal. It should be a person who can bare all those sufferings, like son of man. I don't think Mary would be a chois for that ministry. That's why God chose Jesus. In the church there are both kind of ministries. Fraternal and maternal. The priest represent Jesus, therefore priestly ministry should be a male oriented ministry. There is a maternal ministry, where like Mary, Mary of Magdala, Susana, women like John marks mother did. So it represented kind of a Mary's role in the salvation event. it's also had vide importance in the early church. But fortunately in the early church women were not aggressive by asking priesthood from the early church fathers. They were truely, committed Amma's. So now only these thuggery women forcing church to appoint women as priest bishops in relation to equal rights, on the basis of Marxist, leftist, and so called progressive ideology. This ideologies doesn't suites to the faith communities. Our Lord shows throughout his ministries to what type of serious ministries every person can responded to, so that will move forward. The followers of Christ are not serving for there own rights but this is a ministry that we all responded like Jesus our master.
They're Protestant. They can ordain women if they want. The church is extremely ancient European. Most Catholics aren't. The conversations are healthy for our church and can help us grow in our faith and actions.
A priest of the Episcopal Church doesn't want or need your approval. Your ecclesial community declared more than 100 years ago, that Anglican orders are "completely null and utterly void", so you've given up any authority you may have had in the matter. Not your concern.
I agree with the Catholic tradition regarding the priesthood however the episcopalian bishop made a solid case for the consideration for the consideration of women in higher roles in the Church. The country does have laws that need to be enforced and the bishop suggested that the President be merciful.
The point of her speech was to sabotage Trump's plan to make America somewhat normal with how many genders it recognises, she wanted to equate that with being transphobic, which isn't the case.
Interesting that you focus exclusively on her gender and not the content of what she said, namely asking President Trump to show mercy and compassion. Whatever next, asking for him and us to forgive and love one another? Imagine, how dangerously, well, Christian!! 😊
I am deeply disappointed about this video. I am Catholic. But at the same time I think the Episcopal (woman-) bishop's clear talk about compassion and humanity is profoundly Christian. How can anyone make this a problem of woman priesthood??? This is absolutely not about the controversy of women priests. C'mon ... give us a break. (Also: As far as I know opposition to woman priesthood is not a valid reason for converting to the Catholic Church).
You evidently do not read your Bible. A qualification of a bishop is "to be the husband of one wife" (1Tim.3:2), which is impossible for a woman; since God deems homosexuality as an "abomination." Rather than argue with people about why woman are forbidden to preach to men, take up the argument with God Who instituted the precept. But before you do, read Mt.7:21-23. Where you will spend eternity depends on you sparing a few minutes for the truth. And friend, you do not know when God will call you to answer for your rejection of Christ's teaching in the Holy Bible, the ONLY reliable source of God's truth.
@@sveinlarsen4275 It matters not what man thinks. God has clearly forbidden women to speak from the pulpit. You will be wise to heed this precept and His Word: "There seems to be a way that is right unto man, but the end thereof is death." And I think God here refers the the second death. He declares that homosexuality and gender confounding is an "abomination." But I suspect you will dismiss God's warning and gamble your eternal future, based solely on your finite understanding.
Your letter is a breath of fresh air. Some people who take bishop Budde to task for her sermon seem to be doing it from their disrespect of women and their love for Donald Trump. The Church has many examples down through the ages of clergy publically calling out powerful political figures for their wrongful conduct.
Go and study theology and learn to read and understand the historical context of scripture before embarrassing yourself by ripping bible verses out of context
Protestants STOP Ordaining WOMAN as PRIESTS Stereotyping all protestants as if all protestants believe that women should be priests or pastors is wrong . The text simply says that women are not to teach men or have spiritual authority over men because Eve was deceived. God has chosen to give men the primary teaching authority in the church. Many women excel in gifts of hospitality, mercy, teaching, evangelism, and helping/serving. Much of the ministry of the local church depends on women. Women in the church are not restricted from public praying or prophesying (1 Corinthians 11:5), only from having spiritual teaching authority over men. The Bible nowhere restricts women from exercising the gifts of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 12). Women, just as much as men, are called to minister to others, to demonstrate the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23), and to proclaim the gospel to the lost (Matthew 28:18-20; Acts 1:8; 1 Peter 3:15). As this seems to be a direct critique of the bishop at Trumps inauguration it should be noted that this bishop is not teaching about God or the gospel but a worldly acceptance of what the bible calls sin. Now we do have that verse in Matthew 7:20 So then, by their fruit you will recognize them. 21 Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles? We must accept the sinner but not condone the sin whilst accepting the sinner.
With regards to your thoughts about including God's daughters in certain roles in church, and home, we must engage with the original language in the earliest manuscripts. We must be careful not to restrict the call of the Holy Spirit and be careful not to preach a Christ who discriminates... There are no male pronouns in 1 Tim 3. There's a idiom for monogamy. In 1 Tim 2, Paul did not silence (bad English translation) women who he hails as colleagues in Romans 16. He told Ephesian men to not argue and women to come in contemplative stillness and told Timothy to let them learn! That's an imperative. Students should adopt the posture of contemplation and quietness. Also, he was not talking about the creation account as the foundation of the 1 Tim 2 passage... Since he would not dismiss Genesis 1 where there is no creation order or hierarchy. He was writing about 1st degree vs 2nd degree sinner... much insight to be gained from www.tru316.com The creation design is the two shall be one which Jesus repeats in the New Testament. No hierarchy. In Eph 2:22 there is no word "submit" in Greek. It's taken from Eph 5:21... submit ONE TO ANOTHER. NO male headship. Rest of passage is head body metaphor which Paul makes clear in remainder of passage. Your head can't function with your pancreas, limbs, stomach etc. Whole body in unity with each other. Whole as body of Christ. Reading authority is from a carnal lens. Jesus already gave the standard on this. No ruling over each other. Early church had female leaders and preachers commissioned by the Holy Spirit and women leaders Romans 16 plus a whole host from history. God does not discriminate. The opposite is a Gen 3 mentality. Read not a few verses out of the cannonical or historical context written to local churches. Read not a few verses while denying the rest of God's word. Read all of Scripture through the eternal standard of the LIVING WORD. Seek God's word by commiting to understand what the original Hebrew and Greek said. English translations are problematic. Scholarship and academia know this. Much insight to be gained from Www.tru316.com www.patheos.com/blogs/zackhunt/2014/03/complementarianism-the-churchs-segregation-problem/ Www.tru316.com jamespruch.wordpress.com/let-her-lead/ www.cbeinternational.org/resource/women-and-words-male-pronouns-dont-exist-in-1-timothy/ terranwilliams.com/the-biblical-case-for-women-in-leadership-and-why-mike-winger-the-gospel-coalition-and-the-southern-baptists-are-wrong-about-this/
Joseph. I am an Aussie and a Catholic and I totally reject your narrow interpretation. There is NO obstacle in scripture re women’s ordination. People like me are sick to death of this amazing bigatory and ignorance. I work with wise and dignified Women clergy. They leave many Catholic clergy for dead in their commitment to gospel values as typified in Jesus experience in the synagogue at Nazareth. Please stop your nonsense
Narrow interpretation? He is verbalizing the belief and practice of the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. If you find this offensive, perhaps you should convert to the Episcopal/Anglican Church It sounds to me like you should "stop your nonsense."
You do! Have the Authority ordain women.You lie when you say that you do not have the authority. All authority has been given to bind and loose.I find you talk rubbish!
@@anitasez It is true Jesus gave all authority to his church as recorded in Matthew 18.You may rudely yawn as if to mock what I say but it is stated clearly in Scripture that what I say is true.
@cheese9879 I do not in your words bloviate falsities.I quoted Matthew 18 in which Jesus clearly states " All authority I give to you to bind and loose.Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven.Whatever you loose on earth will be loose in heaven.The Church could if it so chose ordain women priests but chooses not to.Not because Jesus told the Church it could not but because men by choice refuse to let women become priests.Quite simple.The Church choses when to acknowledge Scripture and when not to.St Paul for example clearly states women should have their head covered yet no longer insists on that rule.Why??
It's on point, thank you! God bless the one and Holy Catholic Church.
With regards to your thoughts about including God's daughters in certain roles in church, and home, we must engage with the original language in the earliest manuscripts. We must be careful not to restrict the call of the Holy Spirit and be careful not to preach a Christ who discriminates...
There are no male pronouns in 1 Tim 3. There's a idiom for monogamy.
In 1 Tim 2, Paul did not silence (bad English translation) women who he hails as colleagues in Romans 16. He told Ephesian men to not argue and women to come in contemplative stillness and told Timothy to let them learn! That's an imperative. Students should adopt the posture of contemplation and quietness. Also, he was not talking about the creation account as the foundation of the 1 Tim 2 passage... Since he would not dismiss Genesis 1 where there is no creation order or hierarchy. He was writing about 1st degree vs 2nd degree sinner... much insight to be gained from www.tru316.com
The creation design is the two shall be one which Jesus repeats in the New Testament. No hierarchy. In Eph 2:22 there is no word "submit" in Greek. It's taken from Eph 5:21... submit ONE TO ANOTHER. NO male headship. Rest of passage is head body metaphor which Paul makes clear in remainder of passage. Your head can't function with your pancreas, limbs, stomach etc. Whole body in unity with each other. Whole as body of Christ. Reading authority is from a carnal lens. Jesus already gave the standard on this. No ruling over each other.
Early church had female leaders and preachers commissioned by the Holy Spirit and women leaders Romans 16 plus a whole host from history. God does not discriminate. The opposite is a Gen 3 mentality. Read not a few verses out of the cannonical or historical context written to local churches. Read not a few verses while denying the rest of God's word. Read all of Scripture through the eternal standard of the LIVING WORD. Seek God's word by commiting to understand what the original Hebrew and Greek said. English translations are problematic. Scholarship and academia know this.
Much insight to be gained from Www.tru316.com
www.patheos.com/blogs/zackhunt/2014/03/complementarianism-the-churchs-segregation-problem/
Www.tru316.com
jamespruch.wordpress.com/let-her-lead/
www.cbeinternational.org/resource/women-and-words-male-pronouns-dont-exist-in-1-timothy/
terranwilliams.com/the-biblical-case-for-women-in-leadership-and-why-mike-winger-the-gospel-coalition-and-the-southern-baptists-are-wrong-about-this/
@@suzenmwamba
Nothing is Holy about the catholic church
@@eddyrobichaud5832 so you says a stiff-necked hardened heart one
You mean the church where the pope has signed a document allowing Roman ministers to bless the s!n of homose>
I left the Episcopal Church because they were becoming too far left and joined the Catholic Church. That was over 20 years ago and now I would never set foot in an Episcopal Church again. Thank you Jesus
My husband is a former Episcopal Priest. He left for the same reason as you did. We are Catholic converts.
Glass house. The Roman Catholics pope has signed a document that allows Roman ministers to bless the s|n of homose>
Listen to Dr. Taylor Marshall.
@@JoAnnFuirConsider this. The Catholic denomination ordains pedophiles and homosexuals and pays out millions hush money to cover it up.
Come to Reformed Churches where we don’t ordain women.
Pour le Christ chaque être humain est un frère une sœur qu'on soit catholic ou protestant ou orthodoxe ou athée
As an Anglican, who weeps for my church, please, good Roman Catholic brothers and sisters, do not make the mistake we did. Stay true to the teachings of His Holiness St John Paul II.
There is no such thing as women priests mentioned anywhere in the Holy Scriptures, to allow this is in defiance of God´s word!
With regards to your thoughts about including God's daughters in certain roles in church, and home, we must engage with the original language in the earliest manuscripts. We must be careful not to restrict the call of the Holy Spirit and be careful not to preach a Christ who discriminates...
There are no male pronouns in 1 Tim 3. There's a idiom for monogamy.
In 1 Tim 2, Paul did not silence (bad English translation) women who he hails as colleagues in Romans 16. He told Ephesian men to not argue and women to come in contemplative stillness and told Timothy to let them learn! That's an imperative. Students should adopt the posture of contemplation and quietness. Also, he was not talking about the creation account as the foundation of the 1 Tim 2 passage... Since he would not dismiss Genesis 1 where there is no creation order or hierarchy. He was writing about 1st degree vs 2nd degree sinner... much insight to be gained from www.tru316.com
The creation design is the two shall be one which Jesus repeats in the New Testament. No hierarchy. In Eph 2:22 there is no word "submit" in Greek. It's taken from Eph 5:21... submit ONE TO ANOTHER. NO male headship. Rest of passage is head body metaphor which Paul makes clear in remainder of passage. Your head can't function with your pancreas, limbs, stomach etc. Whole body in unity with each other. Whole as body of Christ. Reading authority is from a carnal lens. Jesus already gave the standard on this. No ruling over each other.
Early church had female leaders and preachers commissioned by the Holy Spirit and women leaders Romans 16 plus a whole host from history. God does not discriminate. The opposite is a Gen 3 mentality. Read not a few verses out of the cannonical or historical context written to local churches. Read not a few verses while denying the rest of God's word. Read all of Scripture through the eternal standard of the LIVING WORD. Seek God's word by commiting to understand what the original Hebrew and Greek said. English translations are problematic. Scholarship and academia know this.
Much insight to be gained from Www.tru316.com
www.patheos.com/blogs/zackhunt/2014/03/complementarianism-the-churchs-segregation-problem/
Www.tru316.com
jamespruch.wordpress.com/let-her-lead/
www.cbeinternational.org/resource/women-and-words-male-pronouns-dont-exist-in-1-timothy/
terranwilliams.com/the-biblical-case-for-women-in-leadership-and-why-mike-winger-the-gospel-coalition-and-the-southern-baptists-are-wrong-about-this/
Nor is a ban on slavery. I suppose abolition is also in defiance of god.
Holy Scripture says that the QUALIFICATION for being a Bishop is to be a MAN who is married with well disciplined children -- see 1Timothy 3:4-5 -- and that teaching church ministers MUST remain unmarried and abstaining from meat except fish on Fridays are doctrines of devils -- see 1Timothy 4:1-5. Soooo.... that makes the Roman church a heretical church, not a holy church.
wokists below.
@@MichElle-zc9tu How is pointing out Truth and Biblical heresy and hypocrisy, part of wokism ??
Sometimes, it's really tickle our commonsense, when a female priest address themself as "Father Mary" for example. It's makes the male in a very awkward position. Oh what a world we are living in.
You can call her Mother, Pastor, Minister, Reverend-there are plenty of ways. It’s really not that difficult. Personally, I never even called the Father at my church "Father Jimmy." I just called him Jimmy. He was great at playing dominoes and cracked some pretty good jokes.
Lord Jesus Christ ordained the Priesthood and no priestesshood. The end.
Not a single verse where Jesus "ordained the priesthood" of the kind you mean.
With regards to your thoughts about including God's daughters in certain roles in church, and home, we must engage with the original language in the earliest manuscripts. We must be careful not to restrict the call of the Holy Spirit and be careful not to preach a Christ who discriminates...
There are no male pronouns in 1 Tim 3. There's a idiom for monogamy.
In 1 Tim 2, Paul did not silence (bad English translation) women who he hails as colleagues in Romans 16. He told Ephesian men to not argue and women to come in contemplative stillness and told Timothy to let them learn! That's an imperative. Students should adopt the posture of contemplation and quietness. Also, he was not talking about the creation account as the foundation of the 1 Tim 2 passage... Since he would not dismiss Genesis 1 where there is no creation order or hierarchy. He was writing about 1st degree vs 2nd degree sinner... much insight to be gained from www.tru316.com
The creation design is the two shall be one which Jesus repeats in the New Testament. No hierarchy. In Eph 2:22 there is no word "submit" in Greek. It's taken from Eph 5:21... submit ONE TO ANOTHER. NO male headship. Rest of passage is head body metaphor which Paul makes clear in remainder of passage. Your head can't function with your pancreas, limbs, stomach etc. Whole body in unity with each other. Whole as body of Christ. Reading authority is from a carnal lens. Jesus already gave the standard on this. No ruling over each other.
Early church had female leaders and preachers commissioned by the Holy Spirit and women leaders Romans 16 plus a whole host from history. God does not discriminate. The opposite is a Gen 3 mentality. Read not a few verses out of the cannonical or historical context written to local churches. Read not a few verses while denying the rest of God's word. Read all of Scripture through the eternal standard of the LIVING WORD. Seek God's word by commiting to understand what the original Hebrew and Greek said. English translations are problematic. Scholarship and academia know this.
Much insight to be gained from Www.tru316.com
www.patheos.com/blogs/zackhunt/2014/03/complementarianism-the-churchs-segregation-problem/
Www.tru316.com
jamespruch.wordpress.com/let-her-lead/
www.cbeinternational.org/resource/women-and-words-male-pronouns-dont-exist-in-1-timothy/
terranwilliams.com/the-biblical-case-for-women-in-leadership-and-why-mike-winger-the-gospel-coalition-and-the-southern-baptists-are-wrong-about-this/
We must be careful not to cherry-pick verses by indoctrination. OT priests were ritual experts (John Walton, OT scholar and several others). For those huge sacrifices once a year in the temple, women cudnt leave their homes lest life come to a standstill. OT priesthood was not a gendered exclusion. The majority of males cudnt be OT priests. And not above age 50 among other things. That wud disqualify all priests in yhe Catholic church above age 50. Many leave out many of the criteria for OT priesthood. The NT priesthood is the priesthood of believers. Not the priesthood of males. There are no male pastors or priests named in the NT. Jesus didn't ordain male priests or bishops or pastors. The Church/Eklessia is all believers, a called out people - both men and women. The Church/Eklessia is the bride of Christ. (So men are also invited to be a bride of Christ!)
Discrimination based only on gender is pure unadulterated dogma from man's tradition even though Jesus set everyone free from this thinking.
If Jesus calling 12 men to go out into a dangerous world and at a time when a woman's testimony was not valued, is some sort of yardstick, then stop giving (and taking, you women who've adopted this faulty thinking) Holy Communion to women coz there weren't women at the last supper. So stop all apostolic churches. Stop giving holy communion to women because there were no women with Jesus and the 12. Dare anyone to try and look Christ in the eye later.
Also, no OT priest or NT Apostle was a non-Jew. Are all Catholic priests Jewish men? For those who are not, they dont meet the criteria represented by the OT and NT.
@@Bible33AD At last, someone with sense.
Jesus born on this earth as son of a woman and after resurrection he first appeared before a woman. These are enough.
YOU: Lord Jesus Christ ordained the Priesthood
*ME: You contradict the Apostles -- there is no formal priesthood in the church. PETER taught that ALL believers are now the priests of GOD* -- see 1Peter 2:5,9, Rev 1:6, etc -- *because GOD Himself now indwells ALL believers; believers are now the Temple of GOD where GOD Himself dwells on earth* -- 1Corinth 3:16, etc) -- *and therefore, ALL believers have DIRECT ACCESS to God/Jesus* -- Ephesians 2:18, etc -- *and thus are to pray DIRECTLY TO GOD/Jesus* -- see John 14:13-14, John 16:23, etc -- *and confess our faults/sins to each other* (James 5:16). JESUS never "ordained a formal priesthood" -- total heresy taught by men that desperately want spiritual/religious control/authority over God's people -- *which contradicts JESUS in Matthew 20:25-26, Matthew 23:9-10, 1Peter 5:3, 1John **2:27**, etc.*
They don't ordain, they arrogate titles to themselves because they have no apostolic succession. So one can't talk of ordination at all.
Indeed 👏
Thank You Joseph for this very relevant analysis and your clear explainetion. God bless You.
EXPLANATION!!!
Excellent explanation by this Indian Dalit cathlic 🎉🎉
@@GracyThomas-ph6to There are Dalit Christians, but this guy is not a Dalit!
Yep ironic they condemn the Church for having a male only priesthood instituted by Jesus Himself....and say we put down women the patriarchy...yet they condemn Our Blessed Mother who has the highest esteem in the Church...they put her down all the time! God have mercy on those who do this...pray for them.
Show me in scripture where we are directed to worship, honor, or pray to Mary.
Take a hint.
Nowhere in scripture are we directed to worship, honor, or pray to Mary.
However, I can say that Mary was a sinner. Here is Romans 3:23 : for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
Therefore, I will not.
@@JE-western-rider Catholics don't worship, in the biblical sense, Mary. BTW: Pls show me in the Bible the exact, explicit ingredients of what constitutes and how to worship?
So, in Romans 3:23 does that apply to Jesus, babies, the mentally challenged, etc. too?
YOU: Yep ironic they condemn the Church for having a male only priesthood instituted by Jesus Himself.
*ME: LOL. Jesus didn't institute a formal priesthood for the Church. "Priests" are NOT listed in any church positions of 1Corinth 12, Ephesians 4, etc. THAT is why you can't find any actual SCRIPTURE written by the Apostles who STARTED the Church, that ever mentions a priesthood.* Read PETER in 1Peter 2:5,9, 1Peter 5:3, and then read Rev 1:6, James 5:16, Matthew 20:25-26, Matthew 23:9-10, 1John 2:27, 1Ephesians 2:18, John 14:13-14, etc. Sheeeeesh. Learn Truth from the Apostles who started the Church.
Very good Joseph. Spot on. The Catholic Church does not hate women but values many of them as teachers. I'll give you an example. Professor Amy-Jill Levine is the E. Rhodes and Leona B. Carpenter Professor of New Testament Studies at the Vanderbilt University Divinity School. She may have retired since I took her Old Testament course because that was years ago. However, it demonstrates your point that the Catholic Church values women and their contribution to the Church as teachers even today. These claims against the Church is nothing more than women trying to justify their positions as pastors when it is diametrically opposed by all scripture, New and Old Testament.
@@chrislapeyrouse7138 It is not diametrically opposed to Scripture Old and New Testament at all.
@@lorenzobianchini4415 There is no teaching anywhere in the New or Old Testament about women priest or Pastors.
With regards to your thoughts about including God's daughters in certain roles in church, and home, we must engage with the original language in the earliest manuscripts. We must be careful not to restrict the call of the Holy Spirit and be careful not to preach a Christ who discriminates...
There are no male pronouns in 1 Tim 3. There's a idiom for monogamy.
In 1 Tim 2, Paul did not silence (bad English translation) women who he hails as colleagues in Romans 16. He told Ephesian men to not argue and women to come in contemplative stillness and told Timothy to let them learn! That's an imperative. Students should adopt the posture of contemplation and quietness. Also, he was not talking about the creation account as the foundation of the 1 Tim 2 passage... Since he would not dismiss Genesis 1 where there is no creation order or hierarchy. He was writing about 1st degree vs 2nd degree sinner... much insight to be gained from www.tru316.com
The creation design is the two shall be one which Jesus repeats in the New Testament. No hierarchy. In Eph 2:22 there is no word "submit" in Greek. It's taken from Eph 5:21... submit ONE TO ANOTHER. NO male headship. Rest of passage is head body metaphor which Paul makes clear in remainder of passage. Your head can't function with your pancreas, limbs, stomach etc. Whole body in unity with each other. Whole as body of Christ. Reading authority is from a carnal lens. Jesus already gave the standard on this. No ruling over each other.
Early church had female leaders and preachers commissioned by the Holy Spirit and women leaders Romans 16 plus a whole host from history. God does not discriminate. The opposite is a Gen 3 mentality. Read not a few verses out of the cannonical or historical context written to local churches. Read not a few verses while denying the rest of God's word. Read all of Scripture through the eternal standard of the LIVING WORD. Seek God's word by commiting to understand what the original Hebrew and Greek said. English translations are problematic. Scholarship and academia know this.
Much insight to be gained from Www.tru316.com
www.patheos.com/blogs/zackhunt/2014/03/complementarianism-the-churchs-segregation-problem/
Www.tru316.com
jamespruch.wordpress.com/let-her-lead/
www.cbeinternational.org/resource/women-and-words-male-pronouns-dont-exist-in-1-timothy/
terranwilliams.com/the-biblical-case-for-women-in-leadership-and-why-mike-winger-the-gospel-coalition-and-the-southern-baptists-are-wrong-about-this/
We must be careful not to cherry-pick verses by indoctrination. OT priests were ritual experts (John Walton, OT scholar and several others). For those huge sacrifices once a year in the temple, women cudnt leave their homes lest life come to a standstill. OT priesthood was not a gendered exclusion. The majority of males cudnt be OT priests. And not above age 50 among other things. That wud disqualify all priests in yhe Catholic church above age 50. Many leave out many of the criteria for OT priesthood. The NT priesthood is the priesthood of believers. Not the priesthood of males. There are no male pastors or priests named in the NT. Jesus didn't ordain male priests or bishops or pastors. The Church/Eklessia is all believers, a called out people - both men and women. The Church/Eklessia is the bride of Christ. (So men are also invited to be a bride of Christ!)
Discrimination based only on gender is pure unadulterated dogma from man's tradition even though Jesus set everyone free from this thinking.
If Jesus calling 12 men to go out into a dangerous world and at a time when a woman's testimony was not valued, is some sort of yardstick, then stop giving (and taking, you women who've adopted this faulty thinking) Holy Communion to women coz there weren't women at the last supper. So stop all apostolic churches. Stop giving holy communion to women because there were no women with Jesus and the 12. Dare anyone to try and look Christ in the eye later.
Also, no OT priest or NT Apostle was a non-Jew. Are all Catholic priests Jewish men? For those who are not, they dont meet the criteria represented by the OT and NT.
@Bible33AD There were women with Jesus and the male apostles however I certainly appreciate your comment which needed saying.I knew I was not a lone voice .Thank you.
Thank you for the clarifications
Thank you brother for your clarification
Ordain is misspelled in your title.
It is not Ordian.
The Episcopal church has been ordaining women priests, bishops, homosexuals for decades!! I was baptized and confirmed in the Episcopal church in 1954 and 1967. I stopped attending church in 1970. I briefly returned in 1980 after my son was born and sometime in the 1980's they had the first female priest I had ever seen. I left again until the early 2000's briefly again and finally in 2008 I converted to the Catholic church!! After hearing this female bishop speak to President Trump so rudely at the prayer breakfast I was so thankful I don't belong to that church anymore!!
With regards to your thoughts about including God's daughters in certain roles in church, and home, we must engage with the original language in the earliest manuscripts. We must be careful not to restrict the call of the Holy Spirit and be careful not to preach a Christ who discriminates...
There are no male pronouns in 1 Tim 3. There's a idiom for monogamy.
In 1 Tim 2, Paul did not silence (bad English translation) women who he hails as colleagues in Romans 16. He told Ephesian men to not argue and women to come in contemplative stillness and told Timothy to let them learn! That's an imperative. Students should adopt the posture of contemplation and quietness. Also, he was not talking about the creation account as the foundation of the 1 Tim 2 passage... Since he would not dismiss Genesis 1 where there is no creation order or hierarchy. He was writing about 1st degree vs 2nd degree sinner... much insight to be gained from www.tru316.com
The creation design is the two shall be one which Jesus repeats in the New Testament. No hierarchy. In Eph 2:22 there is no word "submit" in Greek. It's taken from Eph 5:21... submit ONE TO ANOTHER. NO male headship. Rest of passage is head body metaphor which Paul makes clear in remainder of passage. Your head can't function with your pancreas, limbs, stomach etc. Whole body in unity with each other. Whole as body of Christ. Reading authority is from a carnal lens. Jesus already gave the standard on this. No ruling over each other.
Early church had female leaders and preachers commissioned by the Holy Spirit and women leaders Romans 16 plus a whole host from history. God does not discriminate. The opposite is a Gen 3 mentality. Read not a few verses out of the cannonical or historical context written to local churches. Read not a few verses while denying the rest of God's word. Read all of Scripture through the eternal standard of the LIVING WORD. Seek God's word by commiting to understand what the original Hebrew and Greek said. English translations are problematic. Scholarship and academia know this.
Much insight to be gained from Www.tru316.com
www.patheos.com/blogs/zackhunt/2014/03/complementarianism-the-churchs-segregation-problem/
Www.tru316.com
jamespruch.wordpress.com/let-her-lead/
www.cbeinternational.org/resource/women-and-words-male-pronouns-dont-exist-in-1-timothy/
terranwilliams.com/the-biblical-case-for-women-in-leadership-and-why-mike-winger-the-gospel-coalition-and-the-southern-baptists-are-wrong-about-this/
She's the perfect example why they should never be ordained !
No, she is just trying to put Christs teachings into practice. She merely stated that the President should be there for everybody
You are a perfect example of misogyny.
Neither should homose>
@@worldclass64 She is a perfect example why woman should be bishops,because she cares about all her flock and in Christ she pleaded with Trump a known liar,mysoginist rapist and 37 times convicted felon to show compassion instead of appealing to hating the lgbt community.the transgender community and immigrants.She should be applauded not threatened with deportation.
Thank you for these observations.
I'd add another reason. If we accept that Jesus Christ is God incarnate then we must assume that He foresaw a time when the objection to male only priests would arise. He must have foreseen this happening.
But even in foreseeing this, Jesus still only appointed men as apostles. It is therefore clear that Jesus only wanted men to be appointed as priests.
How many women were Apostles ?
They were support roles and was the pillar in the financial fund raiser for the whole team.
But yes, they had different roles, imagine being a woman and have to run for your life in the wilderness and eventually being tortured/Klld.
That is why this was tasked by men
Apostle... a sent messenger.... Samaritan woman, the Magdelene, Romans 16 women, Junia... read good scholarship.
With regards to your thoughts about including God's daughters in certain roles in church, and home, we must engage with the original language in the earliest manuscripts. We must be careful not to restrict the call of the Holy Spirit and be careful not to preach a Christ who discriminates...
There are no male pronouns in 1 Tim 3. There's a idiom for monogamy.
In 1 Tim 2, Paul did not silence (bad English translation) women who he hails as colleagues in Romans 16. He told Ephesian men to not argue and women to come in contemplative stillness and told Timothy to let them learn! That's an imperative. Students should adopt the posture of contemplation and quietness. Also, he was not talking about the creation account as the foundation of the 1 Tim 2 passage... Since he would not dismiss Genesis 1 where there is no creation order or hierarchy. He was writing about 1st degree vs 2nd degree sinner... much insight to be gained from www.tru316.com
The creation design is the two shall be one which Jesus repeats in the New Testament. No hierarchy. In Eph 2:22 there is no word "submit" in Greek. It's taken from Eph 5:21... submit ONE TO ANOTHER. NO male headship. Rest of passage is head body metaphor which Paul makes clear in remainder of passage. Your head can't function with your pancreas, limbs, stomach etc. Whole body in unity with each other. Whole as body of Christ. Reading authority is from a carnal lens. Jesus already gave the standard on this. No ruling over each other.
Early church had female leaders and preachers commissioned by the Holy Spirit and women leaders Romans 16 plus a whole host from history. God does not discriminate. The opposite is a Gen 3 mentality. Read not a few verses out of the cannonical or historical context written to local churches. Read not a few verses while denying the rest of God's word. Read all of Scripture through the eternal standard of the LIVING WORD. Seek God's word by commiting to understand what the original Hebrew and Greek said. English translations are problematic. Scholarship and academia know this.
Much insight to be gained from Www.tru316.com
www.patheos.com/blogs/zackhunt/2014/03/complementarianism-the-churchs-segregation-problem/
Www.tru316.com
jamespruch.wordpress.com/let-her-lead/
www.cbeinternational.org/resource/women-and-words-male-pronouns-dont-exist-in-1-timothy/
terranwilliams.com/the-biblical-case-for-women-in-leadership-and-why-mike-winger-the-gospel-coalition-and-the-southern-baptists-are-wrong-about-this/
After resurrection before whom Jesus appeared first 🎉
@@KRFrostFire1Women ran for their lives, they were tortured, they were killed for their faith, they died in the colosseum. Read the martyr files. Inform yourself before posting such nonsense and disrespecting the martyrs who laid down their lives for their faith in Christ.
@@shanthisusanmathew7827 His holy mother.
Instinctively practising Catholics know that what you say is so right, so right. Congrats Roy, Dublin Irl..
Let's all be just simple Christian who only follow the teaching of Lord Jesus Christ .
Pointing fingers would'nt help any denomination and it'll be like opening a can of worms as non is perfect but also let's be alert of false prophets and woke churches.
Well done!
I am an ordained Episcopalian minister and have seen this denomination fall away long ago, as have most Protestants. But the Roman Catholic church became apostate in the 4th century. So before you cast the first stone, correct the papal heresies, which sins are piled as high as the heavens.
You need to be specific in your allegation,so that a proper answer can be given to you and others,who hold the same ideology. Which of the popes in the 4th century,and what were the heresies?
@@damianikpeazu4681 Firstly, papacy is forbidden by God in the Holy Bible (e.g. Mt.23:9). Vicarage, where someone assumes the office of Christ on earth, is an idea taken directly from the Babylonian "religion," which was--and still is--centered in Rome (Paul labeled vicars as antichrists, q.v.).
In unfiltered church history, the original catholic church--which does not resemble Roman Catholicism that formed much later--referred to Rome as Babylon. The apostle John did the same in Rev., esp. chapter 17. If not Rome, what then was the "great city"? If not papal Rome, who "martyred" 900,000 Christans during the Inquisition; who anointed kings, contingent upon them forcing their subjects to "drink from her cup fornication"? Praying to a dead saint is the most intimate form of worship that the apostles understood to be fornication and harlotry.
A good place to start is to read the letters that the earliest bishops wrote to each other, some of which were students of the apostles: viz. Papias, Polycarp, Barnabas, Ignatius, Iranaeus et al. A literal translation of their letters is available in "The Apostolic Fathers" by Lightfoot and Harmon (Amazon). If you are genuinely interested in the facts, and have sufficient humility to learn and courage to examine established history, do read Foxe's Book of Martyrs. What a jewel of literature is that compilation, which perfectly harmonizes with Rev.17.
I am a professor of NT Greek and Bible translator. If you care, I am willing to provide you with a few tools that you can use yourself to correctly exegete Mt. 16:18,19, the passage that is widely mistranslated, even by Protestants.
At least the Catholic Church, with its problems as any other, was founded by Jesus Christ and not a man.
Not valid nor licit, so not ordained. Stop saying woman priests. No such thing to begin with.
With regards to your thoughts about including God's daughters in certain roles in church, and home, we must engage with the original language in the earliest manuscripts. We must be careful not to restrict the call of the Holy Spirit and be careful not to preach a Christ who discriminates...
There are no male pronouns in 1 Tim 3. There's a idiom for monogamy.
In 1 Tim 2, Paul did not silence (bad English translation) women who he hails as colleagues in Romans 16. He told Ephesian men to not argue and women to come in contemplative stillness and told Timothy to let them learn! That's an imperative. Students should adopt the posture of contemplation and quietness. Also, he was not talking about the creation account as the foundation of the 1 Tim 2 passage... Since he would not dismiss Genesis 1 where there is no creation order or hierarchy. He was writing about 1st degree vs 2nd degree sinner... much insight to be gained from www.tru316.com
The creation design is the two shall be one which Jesus repeats in the New Testament. No hierarchy. In Eph 2:22 there is no word "submit" in Greek. It's taken from Eph 5:21... submit ONE TO ANOTHER. NO male headship. Rest of passage is head body metaphor which Paul makes clear in remainder of passage. Your head can't function with your pancreas, limbs, stomach etc. Whole body in unity with each other. Whole as body of Christ. Reading authority is from a carnal lens. Jesus already gave the standard on this. No ruling over each other.
Early church had female leaders and preachers commissioned by the Holy Spirit and women leaders Romans 16 plus a whole host from history. God does not discriminate. The opposite is a Gen 3 mentality. Read not a few verses out of the cannonical or historical context written to local churches. Read not a few verses while denying the rest of God's word. Read all of Scripture through the eternal standard of the LIVING WORD. Seek God's word by commiting to understand what the original Hebrew and Greek said. English translations are problematic. Scholarship and academia know this.
Much insight to be gained from Www.tru316.com
www.patheos.com/blogs/zackhunt/2014/03/complementarianism-the-churchs-segregation-problem/
Www.tru316.com
jamespruch.wordpress.com/let-her-lead/
www.cbeinternational.org/resource/women-and-words-male-pronouns-dont-exist-in-1-timothy/
terranwilliams.com/the-biblical-case-for-women-in-leadership-and-why-mike-winger-the-gospel-coalition-and-the-southern-baptists-are-wrong-about-this/
They must use the term "woman priest" because the word "priest" is, by definition, male. The accurate term would be "priestess", as this is by definition, female.
Agree Fr. Fr. Arturo
Good content. Ty
You argue that women cannot be priests because Jesus and Peter were men. But at the time of Jesus, women were undervalued and often ignored in society. Times have changed-haven’t they?
In 1 Timothy 3, Paul states that a bishop must be "the husband of one wife" and "manage his household well, keeping his children submissive and respectful." Let me ask: is the priest at your church married? Does he have children? And if he does, are his children respectful and obedient? Paul was clear: "If someone does not know how to manage his own household, how can he take care of God’s church?" Yet, this teaching is often ignored as long as the leader is male. Why is that?
In my own life, my mother was the true leader of our household. She worked, prepared meals, tutored us, ensured we received an education, and disciplined us when necessary. Meanwhile, my father spent his time resting or socializing. Leadership, compassion, and strength were modeled by my mother-qualities essential for running a church.
Paul’s description of church leadership aligns more closely today with the roles many women already fulfill: strong, compassionate, and capable of managing households and communities. To dismiss women from such roles purely because of their gender is not faithfulness to scripture; it is blatant misogyny.
Jesus taught compassion and mercy. Let’s not forget, it was a woman who courageously stood up to the president in defense of her flock, reminding him that true Christianity requires compassion and mercy, while male priests remained silent.
You have just made the point why women aren't priests. They fulfill many other duties not assigned to men. Your first point that in Jesus' time women were not held in high regard, but Jesus wouldn't have followed the signs of the times would he? He was transformative. If he thought there should be a female disciple he would've chosen one regardless of the norm.
@@jerryrip You claim that Jesus wouldn’t have followed the signs of the times if he believed women should have been disciples, and yet he didn’t choose one. But this assumes that Jesus’ actions and decisions always conformed to eternal, unchangeable principles rather than the cultural and practical constraints of his time. Jesus was transformative in many ways-speaking with women (e.g., the Samaritan woman at the well), allowing them to sit at his feet as disciples (like Mary of Bethany), and commissioning women as the first witnesses to his resurrection, even when women’s testimonies were not valued in that era. These were radical departures from the norms of his time. The fact that he didn’t name a female among the Twelve doesn’t mean women are excluded from leadership; it may reflect the societal realities he was operating within.
Additionally, let’s consider other biblical instructions. The Bible, under the Old Testament law, also includes practices we no longer follow-slavery, treating women as property, and capital punishment for things like working on the Sabbath. Jesus himself reinterpreted the law (‘You have heard it said... but I say to you’) and prioritized love, justice, and mercy over rigid legalism. So why do we cling to male-only priesthood when the broader spirit of his teachings challenges such exclusionary practices?
Finally, Paul’s letters state that church leaders should be men with well-behaved children, yet Catholic priests today are celibate and childless. If we can overlook that requirement, why can’t we reassess the exclusion of women? Women fulfill many leadership roles in the Church-teachers, administrators, caregivers-and often embody the qualities that Paul and Jesus valued in leaders, like compassion, wisdom, and service.
If Jesus’ ministry and teachings were truly about transformation, shouldn’t we embrace a faith that continues to evolve in the same spirit?
Thank You
That fake female Bishop was utter nonsense. 😂😂😂
No one seemed to care about female priests until one had the courage to ask for compassion and mercy for LGBTQ+ individuals and immigrants. Here's an idea: go to your church, sit in the confession booth, and say to your priest, "Father, I have sinned. I never had an issue with female priests until one exposed my own biases. I don’t like gays, and I don’t like immigrants in my country. When she asked for compassion and mercy, was she wrong? Should I feel this way? What would Jesus have done if he were in her place?"
Then, let us know what your priest thinks.
7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Not all Protestants ordain Women Pastors.
Biblical Christians dont agree with Ordaining Women to be Pastors
While you’re right about catholic priesthood, you felt into a mind trap in the title for this video: protestants can neither ordain, nor not ordain women as priests because they don’t have priests or bishops, nor can they have them. Period. Not even men.
This was already established when the word became flesh, “The Seed Is The Word, And The Word Was God” established and spoken from our Lord Jesus Christ.
The man distributes the seed, the woman receives the seed and nurtures it and raises it taking it into her love, a good example is our Blessed Mother and the Incarnation of the God Man, Christ.
This is the reason why a woman can never be ordained a priest let alone a Bishop in God’s Magisterium, his Catholic Church, they are know as sisters or nuns but their proper title to address them is sisters.
Hedgehogs will not enter the kingdom of heaven.
❤
She is a self proclaimed preist
@@eddyrobichaud5832 She is not a self proclaimed priest
I find American Catholics( not all!) so nasty and very unchrist like which as a Catholic is deeply upsetting and sad.
@@eddyrobichaud5832 i comes before e except after C. Priest!!
@lorenzobianchini4415 ?
@eddyrobichaud5832 Why do you put a question mark after my name.Are you confused about something.Use your brain and and ask or better still work it out.
I doubt she ordained herself.
Amen.
Women are always welcome to work in the ministry. But it d means that they should be pastors
No offense but women not being pastors shows women are not always welcome to work in the ministry.
Thank you JESUS
I Agree I’m Traditional Catholic
She is not the only person to make such statements. Many male pastors fully agree with her. She was only advocating emulating Jesus's teachings of love and helping your fellow man.
She was advocating for a select few. She didn't plead for mercy for unborn babies who are aborted and discarded like trash.
She was advocating for sinful ways.
Beautiful explained 👏
Amen
With regards to your thoughts about including God's daughters in certain roles in church, and home, we must engage with the original language in the earliest manuscripts. We must be careful not to restrict the call of the Holy Spirit and be careful not to preach a Christ who discriminates...
There are no male pronouns in 1 Tim 3. There's a idiom for monogamy.
In 1 Tim 2, Paul did not silence (bad English translation) women who he hails as colleagues in Romans 16. He told Ephesian men to not argue and women to come in contemplative stillness and told Timothy to let them learn! That's an imperative. Students should adopt the posture of contemplation and quietness. Also, he was not talking about the creation account as the foundation of the 1 Tim 2 passage... Since he would not dismiss Genesis 1 where there is no creation order or hierarchy. He was writing about 1st degree vs 2nd degree sinner... much insight to be gained from www.tru316.com
The creation design is the two shall be one which Jesus repeats in the New Testament. No hierarchy. In Eph 2:22 there is no word "submit" in Greek. It's taken from Eph 5:21... submit ONE TO ANOTHER. NO male headship. Rest of passage is head body metaphor which Paul makes clear in remainder of passage. Your head can't function with your pancreas, limbs, stomach etc. Whole body in unity with each other. Whole as body of Christ. Reading authority is from a carnal lens. Jesus already gave the standard on this. No ruling over each other.
Early church had female leaders and preachers commissioned by the Holy Spirit and women leaders Romans 16 plus a whole host from history. God does not discriminate. The opposite is a Gen 3 mentality. Read not a few verses out of the cannonical or historical context written to local churches. Read not a few verses while denying the rest of God's word. Read all of Scripture through the eternal standard of the LIVING WORD. Seek God's word by commiting to understand what the original Hebrew and Greek said. English translations are problematic. Scholarship and academia know this.
Much insight to be gained from Www.tru316.com
www.patheos.com/blogs/zackhunt/2014/03/complementarianism-the-churchs-segregation-problem/
Www.tru316.com
jamespruch.wordpress.com/let-her-lead/
www.cbeinternational.org/resource/women-and-words-male-pronouns-dont-exist-in-1-timothy/
terranwilliams.com/the-biblical-case-for-women-in-leadership-and-why-mike-winger-the-gospel-coalition-and-the-southern-baptists-are-wrong-about-this/
Jesus as God was profoundly practical and wise. The 12 Apostles and Jesus' many disciples had to traverse and travel long distances preaching and teaching and offering the sacrifice of the Mass that Jesus taught them and the new faith to whole new, culturally different and sometimes hostile nations of Gentiles. They had to be hardy and rugged men who could withstand and adapt to unknown hardships and challenges even imprisonment. The women in those times were mostly house bound and were the nurturers, supporters, providers and the financial backers of the Apostles. Helping them out in any way they could and that was needed to promote the faith.
That was how the early Church evolved in strength and resilience.
@@marlenegomes6501 Absolute rubbish I knew Trump was a mysogonist but women themselves demeaning their sex that is worse!!!
That’s our decision, not yours. We will ordain we see fit..don’t need your permission
@jenniferboht961 Hi friend, what's the name of your church. I'm not trying to argue, my family is mixed with protestants and Catholics. I go to both services. They are both beautiful.
@ it a liturgical Methodist church…anabaptist
@jenniferboht961 Yes, I'm glad that you are not ashamed of your faith in Christ Jesus. That's a blessing. Im in Recovery for many things and I need Jesus as my savior.
@@alfredynda1541 I’m not, and I’m not ashamed to be a Protestant! My faith is the most thing to me
@jenniferboht961 Amen
Sounds like the old doctrine of separate but equal. Hasn’t aged well.
I had a conversation with a Protestant relative of mine about this recently and they were saying that they had female pastors and deacons who were good.
I brought up 1 Timothy 2:11-15. There are probably other verses that say something similar, but this one is about as subtle as a brick on what it says. I have no room for interpretation whatsoever. I HAVE to take it at its face value. And I sourced it from the KJV so there was no way to explain it away. All they could say was “well I’ll have to go to my church and ask our deacons and pastor to see if there is an extra meaning to it.” I then asked if the Bible is the word of god and the only infallible authority, which they said yes. I then stated that they are basically saying that god is wrong and that they know better by directly contradicting the scriptures, which Protestants pride themselves on saying they follow scripture alone.
I made a very simple argument and couldn’t get a straight response from them.
With regards to your thoughts about including God's daughters in certain roles in church, and home, we must engage with the original language in the earliest manuscripts. We must be careful not to restrict the call of the Holy Spirit and be careful not to preach a Christ who discriminates...
There are no male pronouns in 1 Tim 3. There's a idiom for monogamy.
In 1 Tim 2, Paul did not silence (bad English translation) women who he hails as colleagues in Romans 16. He told Ephesian men to not argue and women to come in contemplative stillness and told Timothy to let them learn! That's an imperative. Students should adopt the posture of contemplation and quietness. Also, he was not talking about the creation account as the foundation of the 1 Tim 2 passage... Since he would not dismiss Genesis 1 where there is no creation order or hierarchy. He was writing about 1st degree vs 2nd degree sinner... much insight to be gained from www.tru316.com
The creation design is the two shall be one which Jesus repeats in the New Testament. No hierarchy. In Eph 2:22 there is no word "submit" in Greek. It's taken from Eph 5:21... submit ONE TO ANOTHER. NO male headship. Rest of passage is head body metaphor which Paul makes clear in remainder of passage. Your head can't function with your pancreas, limbs, stomach etc. Whole body in unity with each other. Whole as body of Christ. Reading authority is from a carnal lens. Jesus already gave the standard on this. No ruling over each other.
Early church had female leaders and preachers commissioned by the Holy Spirit and women leaders Romans 16 plus a whole host from history. God does not discriminate. The opposite is a Gen 3 mentality. Read not a few verses out of the cannonical or historical context written to local churches. Read not a few verses while denying the rest of God's word. Read all of Scripture through the eternal standard of the LIVING WORD. Seek God's word by commiting to understand what the original Hebrew and Greek said. English translations are problematic. Scholarship and academia know this.
Much insight to be gained from Www.tru316.com
www.patheos.com/blogs/zackhunt/2014/03/complementarianism-the-churchs-segregation-problem/
Www.tru316.com
jamespruch.wordpress.com/let-her-lead/
www.cbeinternational.org/resource/women-and-words-male-pronouns-dont-exist-in-1-timothy/
terranwilliams.com/the-biblical-case-for-women-in-leadership-and-why-mike-winger-the-gospel-coalition-and-the-southern-baptists-are-wrong-about-this/
This personifies Protestantism very clearly!
@@uncleyoda1834 It was Paul's suggestion that women should not lead church, not Jesus'.
Jesus never discriminated against women but gave more importance to women, such as his decision to come to earth as son of a woman and his first appearance before a woman after resurrection.
Protestants follow words and teachings of Jesus Christ and give more importance to gospel than any other part of Bible.
In Christ there is no male or female, but all who fear him and do what is right are acceptable to him.
sums it up
It sums up nothing
@TimSpangler-rd6vs you are welcome to refute and make a compelling rebuttal.
@@SanjuroSan Rebuttal to what? You didnt say anything
With regards to your thoughts about including God's daughters in certain roles in church, and home, we must engage with the original language in the earliest manuscripts. We must be careful not to restrict the call of the Holy Spirit and be careful not to preach a Christ who discriminates...
There are no male pronouns in 1 Tim 3. There's a idiom for monogamy.
In 1 Tim 2, Paul did not silence (bad English translation) women who he hails as colleagues in Romans 16. He told Ephesian men to not argue and women to come in contemplative stillness and told Timothy to let them learn! That's an imperative. Students should adopt the posture of contemplation and quietness. Also, he was not talking about the creation account as the foundation of the 1 Tim 2 passage... Since he would not dismiss Genesis 1 where there is no creation order or hierarchy. He was writing about 1st degree vs 2nd degree sinner... much insight to be gained from www.tru316.com
The creation design is the two shall be one which Jesus repeats in the New Testament. No hierarchy. In Eph 2:22 there is no word "submit" in Greek. It's taken from Eph 5:21... submit ONE TO ANOTHER. NO male headship. Rest of passage is head body metaphor which Paul makes clear in remainder of passage. Your head can't function with your pancreas, limbs, stomach etc. Whole body in unity with each other. Whole as body of Christ. Reading authority is from a carnal lens. Jesus already gave the standard on this. No ruling over each other.
Early church had female leaders and preachers commissioned by the Holy Spirit and women leaders Romans 16 plus a whole host from history. God does not discriminate. The opposite is a Gen 3 mentality. Read not a few verses out of the cannonical or historical context written to local churches. Read not a few verses while denying the rest of God's word. Read all of Scripture through the eternal standard of the LIVING WORD. Seek God's word by commiting to understand what the original Hebrew and Greek said. English translations are problematic. Scholarship and academia know this.
Much insight to be gained from Www.tru316.com
www.patheos.com/blogs/zackhunt/2014/03/complementarianism-the-churchs-segregation-problem/
Www.tru316.com
jamespruch.wordpress.com/let-her-lead/
www.cbeinternational.org/resource/women-and-words-male-pronouns-dont-exist-in-1-timothy/
terranwilliams.com/the-biblical-case-for-women-in-leadership-and-why-mike-winger-the-gospel-coalition-and-the-southern-baptists-are-wrong-about-this/
Hi, Father. Here is my observation on this. A priest is called to be the father of his flock. Being a father is a MAN'S job, NOT a woman's job.
It is very clear from scripture that women should not be pastors or in the clergy. The particular bishop who addressed Trump does appear to be controversial, not for the sake of the gospel but for her own personal preferences. I’m not saying there aren’t fantastic women in the church and truthfully churches could not function without them. However we have seen nuns abusing each other and children without opposition, even a blind eye turned towards their behaviour. This proves the men who are supposed to be leaders are not up to the job.
With regards to your thoughts about including God's daughters in certain roles in church, and home, we must engage with the original language in the earliest manuscripts. We must be careful not to restrict the call of the Holy Spirit and be careful not to preach a Christ who discriminates...
There are no male pronouns in 1 Tim 3. There's a idiom for monogamy.
In 1 Tim 2, Paul did not silence (bad English translation) women who he hails as colleagues in Romans 16. He told Ephesian men to not argue and women to come in contemplative stillness and told Timothy to let them learn! That's an imperative. Students should adopt the posture of contemplation and quietness. Also, he was not talking about the creation account as the foundation of the 1 Tim 2 passage... Since he would not dismiss Genesis 1 where there is no creation order or hierarchy. He was writing about 1st degree vs 2nd degree sinner... much insight to be gained from www.tru316.com
The creation design is the two shall be one which Jesus repeats in the New Testament. No hierarchy. In Eph 2:22 there is no word "submit" in Greek. It's taken from Eph 5:21... submit ONE TO ANOTHER. NO male headship. Rest of passage is head body metaphor which Paul makes clear in remainder of passage. Your head can't function with your pancreas, limbs, stomach etc. Whole body in unity with each other. Whole as body of Christ. Reading authority is from a carnal lens. Jesus already gave the standard on this. No ruling over each other.
Early church had female leaders and preachers commissioned by the Holy Spirit and women leaders Romans 16 plus a whole host from history. God does not discriminate. The opposite is a Gen 3 mentality. Read not a few verses out of the cannonical or historical context written to local churches. Read not a few verses while denying the rest of God's word. Read all of Scripture through the eternal standard of the LIVING WORD. Seek God's word by commiting to understand what the original Hebrew and Greek said. English translations are problematic. Scholarship and academia know this.
Much insight to be gained from Www.tru316.com
www.patheos.com/blogs/zackhunt/2014/03/complementarianism-the-churchs-segregation-problem/
Www.tru316.com
jamespruch.wordpress.com/let-her-lead/
www.cbeinternational.org/resource/women-and-words-male-pronouns-dont-exist-in-1-timothy/
terranwilliams.com/the-biblical-case-for-women-in-leadership-and-why-mike-winger-the-gospel-coalition-and-the-southern-baptists-are-wrong-about-this/
Because some people want to preserve the patriarchy ; they will use their male chauvinism to support and endorse people like trump😮😮😮
Yea I guess 75 million voters, consisting of women, minorities, and even gays, are all chauvinists. TDS anyone?
For the general information of people who left some 'episcopal chutch ' and joined the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church is also an episcopal church. Because the Catholic Church also has bishops (epiacopa). All the churches which has bishops are episcopal churches, including the Catholic Church. I agree that women should not be ordained, as I have seen the trouble they have created in their churches.
If Jesus own mother didn't get invited to the last supper then there cannot be women priests.
In that case stop giving cimmunion to all women coz you think if they weren't there then they werent chosen.
With regards to your thoughts about including God's daughters in certain roles in church, and home, we must engage with the original language in the earliest manuscripts. We must be careful not to restrict the call of the Holy Spirit and be careful not to preach a Christ who discriminates...
There are no male pronouns in 1 Tim 3. There's a idiom for monogamy.
In 1 Tim 2, Paul did not silence (bad English translation) women who he hails as colleagues in Romans 16. He told Ephesian men to not argue and women to come in contemplative stillness and told Timothy to let them learn! That's an imperative. Students should adopt the posture of contemplation and quietness. Also, he was not talking about the creation account as the foundation of the 1 Tim 2 passage... Since he would not dismiss Genesis 1 where there is no creation order or hierarchy. He was writing about 1st degree vs 2nd degree sinner... much insight to be gained from www.tru316.com
The creation design is the two shall be one which Jesus repeats in the New Testament. No hierarchy. In Eph 2:22 there is no word "submit" in Greek. It's taken from Eph 5:21... submit ONE TO ANOTHER. NO male headship. Rest of passage is head body metaphor which Paul makes clear in remainder of passage. Your head can't function with your pancreas, limbs, stomach etc. Whole body in unity with each other. Whole as body of Christ. Reading authority is from a carnal lens. Jesus already gave the standard on this. No ruling over each other.
Early church had female leaders and preachers commissioned by the Holy Spirit and women leaders Romans 16 plus a whole host from history. God does not discriminate. The opposite is a Gen 3 mentality. Read not a few verses out of the cannonical or historical context written to local churches. Read not a few verses while denying the rest of God's word. Read all of Scripture through the eternal standard of the LIVING WORD. Seek God's word by commiting to understand what the original Hebrew and Greek said. English translations are problematic. Scholarship and academia know this.
Much insight to be gained from Www.tru316.com
www.patheos.com/blogs/zackhunt/2014/03/complementarianism-the-churchs-segregation-problem/
Www.tru316.com
jamespruch.wordpress.com/let-her-lead/
www.cbeinternational.org/resource/women-and-words-male-pronouns-dont-exist-in-1-timothy/
terranwilliams.com/the-biblical-case-for-women-in-leadership-and-why-mike-winger-the-gospel-coalition-and-the-southern-baptists-are-wrong-about-this/
That doesn’t follow logically.
They have a financial interest in it.
Pour le Christ chaque être humain est un frère une sœur
Cette dame a été parfaite
hi joseph, loved your videos. this is just me being oc but you may want to edit the thumbnail (spelling). thanks
Hildegard of Bingham, St Joan, and St Mary MacKillop were all disowned by the corporate Church while they were alive. Can’t recall a lot of male saints who had similar problems. And what is wrong with an Episcopal bishop reminding us of the actions and words of Jesus Christ? If a politician doesn’t like that he can search his heart or stop going to Church or point out where Jesus got it wrong!
Im a Christian female. Stop this women to speak in public especial she is not a role model Christian.
if you go Back The first priest in old testament That God choose Aaron to be the priest .
while it is true that women are not to be ordained in the Catholic Church. Budde is not Catholic. I think it is not our duty to inform Protestants what they should be doing or vice versa. I think her message simply ruffled a few political feathers, nothing more.
They pretty much break Sola scriptura, every time they do this. Protestantism is a lets do what ever we want, and break Sola Scriptura every time we start a new denomination lol.I love my Protestant friends dearly, but I will never understand it.
Saying that women have always been influential in the Church is not the same as saying that women have always qualified for positions of leadership in the the Church. Women have usually had leadership over other women in religious orders or over young people in Catholic education but not often in the Church as a whole. Even now, many conservative Catholics condemn Pope Francis' appointment of a nun to head a Vatican Dicastery. This is another example of the low opinion many in the Church still have for women.
The Anglican lay writer C.S.Lewis wrote about this question about 1940 in his article "Should we have priestesses in the church?" His view was that we should do whatever best helps the Church in its mission. Simply because the New Testament mentions nothing about having women priests (I think they were called elders then) does not really prove there weren't any. Yet the Church ordaining women to the priesthood I think will alienate millions of conservative Catholics who might seek membership in Orthodoxy or in Eastern Churches. It will probably put the kaibosh on unity with the Orthodox. Yet not ordaining women feels like an injustice to women of faith who exhibit leadership and inteligence and whose gifts go wasted.
In the NT they were at least deaconnesses but now the EOC says women can't be even deaconnesses and their only work as "deaconnesses" was washing, I don't think so as told by Paul they were probably prophesysing while being veiled. Some old painting seems to prove this point.
The EOC even forbid women for lectures of the Bible when the Catholic Church gladly agree with it and the majority of lecturers(reading a chapter ) are women.
She looks more of a weed smoker lol🤣🤣🤣
I don't want to be called a sexist, in general, women are a lot more cunning & articulate than man, but also can be a lot more ruthless, there are good women, but also a lot of bad men. Mother Mary was a saint, a leader in the Christian movement, God trusted her, God loved her, so this is a very complex issue.
Priests are not required any more whether they are male or female. We need pastor, teacher, evangelist,
What is your opinion on the Eucharist ?
That's why Satan tempted Eve.
Adam sinned and brought death into the world.
Disaster
The Protestants should have some sense at least
There is nothing political, she was just saying what Christ would have said too
Jesus doesn't support the mutilation of children's genitals. The Bible clearly condemns homosexual behavior.
Are you sure of her gender?
Very sad people follow the world and put in into the Bible.
If you are priest, it means you follow the Christ. Following the world does not make you priest.
Here is a dillema: If the Catholic Church were to ordain women as priests people would object and leave, as current understanding has it. There is a falling away as things are. When Christ came in to this world he would not have been listened to had it have been as a female. It was a world in which it was very tough and Jesus chose tough men to be His Apostles. While the Church forbids priests to be married, Jesus chose married men. So it could be reasoned that the Church is going against Christ on that issue. So would the Church be going against Christ if it ordained women as priests? It could use Matt 18:18 to help justify ordaining women. We live in a very different world to what it was then. That is no small issue. St. Theresa of Calcutta was at a place where Communion could not be partaken because no priest was there for something like 3 months. That shows that the sex was more important than taking Christ in Communion! There is one Christ, and one Spirit. It is not a Christ for a man and another for a woman. Nor is it one Spirit for a man and and another for a woman. It is the same Christ in the woman as it is for man that is the hope of glory. The Church has knowingly tolerated very sinful men to administer Communion. Yet a female with the right heart has not. Sex should not be the god that dominates the Church. That has long been an issue without the Church knowing it. Now more than ever, the Church should allow women to be ordained. It needs to recognise Christ in the woman, so Christ would indeed be present. I would have no problem with that.(Col 1:27)
You're wrong and have no idea what you are talking about.
@@cheese9879 I do expect some to put the sex first! Try to look at Christ within. Pray about it!
You are cold wrong. He only appointed circumcised Jews. We have waived that.
I do not buy into the idea that a slight difference in anatomy would disqualify a fellow human to serve in a purely spiritual capacity as a vicar or bishop....the flesh plays no part in such callings........I guess that is one of the reasons I am no longer Catholic but Anglican.
I disagree with your viewpoint. I left the Episcopal Church to become Catholic. My husband was an Episcopal Priest for almost 20 years. He left TEC in 2012 to become Catholic. Gender does matter to God. He created male and female for a good reason. Men and women are equal, but not the same. They compliment eachother.
The smugness in that smile drips with insincerity.
Is she forwarding the Word of God or the word of the times? The last scene I can recall that featured Trans culture was the LA parade that mocked the crucifixion. Maybe she should work on her own people before criticizing anyone else.
Scripture should be a scaffold, you make it a cage. To you the Bible has now become an idol.
I would not categorize episcopalians aa protestant.
Protestant should remove all the bishop or whatever position in the church it is not in the teaching of Jesus Christ.in the first place preach is not for god.
The office of Bishop is referred to in the New Testament.
What i mean bishop woman.
Your arguments are reasonable when it comes to historical perspective. But there are more theological and Anthropological reasons too. One specific example is the personality of Jesus, the Lord was a male, for salvation, redemption, and as a sacrifice on the cross God chose a male, Jewish literature very clear on that. in order to sacrifice as an offering it should be a male animal. It should be a person who can bare all those sufferings, like son of man. I don't think Mary would be a chois for that ministry. That's why God chose Jesus. In the church there are both kind of ministries. Fraternal and maternal. The priest represent Jesus, therefore priestly ministry should be a male oriented ministry. There is a maternal ministry, where like Mary, Mary of Magdala, Susana, women like John marks mother did. So it represented kind of a Mary's role in the salvation event. it's also had vide importance in the early church. But fortunately in the early church women were not aggressive by asking priesthood from the early church fathers. They were truely, committed Amma's. So now only these thuggery women forcing church to appoint women as priest bishops in relation to equal rights, on the basis of Marxist, leftist, and so called progressive ideology. This ideologies doesn't suites to the faith communities. Our Lord shows throughout his ministries to what type of serious ministries every person can responded to, so that will move forward. The followers of Christ are not serving for there own rights but this is a ministry that we all responded like Jesus our master.
They're Protestant. They can ordain women if they want. The church is extremely ancient European. Most Catholics aren't. The conversations are healthy for our church and can help us grow in our faith and actions.
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Lord Jesus only allowed priesthood and priestess.that is againsst in the teaching God.ordain woman that protestant sect
A priest of the Episcopal Church doesn't want or need your approval. Your ecclesial community declared more than 100 years ago, that Anglican orders are "completely null and utterly void", so you've given up any authority you may have had in the matter. Not your concern.
That was the Church using it's God given authority.
I agree with the Catholic tradition regarding the priesthood however the episcopalian bishop made a solid case for the consideration for the consideration of women in higher roles in the Church.
The country does have laws that need to be enforced and the bishop suggested that the President be merciful.
The point of her speech was to sabotage Trump's plan to make America somewhat normal with how many genders it recognises, she wanted to equate that with being transphobic, which isn't the case.
Interesting that you focus exclusively on her gender and not the content of what she said, namely asking President Trump to show mercy and compassion. Whatever next, asking for him and us to forgive and love one another? Imagine, how dangerously, well, Christian!! 😊
Mercy for a select few. What about mercy for the millions of unborn babies that are aborted in their Mother's wombs in America?
I am deeply disappointed about this video. I am Catholic. But at the same time I think the Episcopal (woman-) bishop's clear talk about compassion and humanity is profoundly Christian. How can anyone make this a problem of woman priesthood??? This is absolutely not about the controversy of women priests. C'mon ... give us a break. (Also: As far as I know opposition to woman priesthood is not a valid reason for converting to the Catholic Church).
Prolem is the evil Jasabel is with you..
You evidently do not read your Bible. A qualification of a bishop is "to be the husband of one wife" (1Tim.3:2), which is impossible for a woman; since God deems homosexuality as an "abomination." Rather than argue with people about why woman are forbidden to preach to men, take up the argument with God Who instituted the precept. But before you do, read Mt.7:21-23. Where you will spend eternity depends on you sparing a few minutes for the truth. And friend, you do not know when God will call you to answer for your rejection of Christ's teaching in the Holy Bible, the ONLY reliable source of God's truth.
Little learning about church is danger.u must go throughout
@@sveinlarsen4275 It matters not what man thinks. God has clearly forbidden women to speak from the pulpit. You will be wise to heed this precept and His Word: "There seems to be a way that is right unto man, but the end thereof is death." And I think God here refers the the second death. He declares that homosexuality and gender confounding is an "abomination." But I suspect you will dismiss God's warning and gamble your eternal future, based solely on your finite understanding.
Your letter is a breath of fresh air. Some people who take bishop Budde to task for her sermon seem to be doing it from their disrespect of women and their love for Donald Trump. The Church has many examples down through the ages of clergy publically calling out powerful political figures for their wrongful conduct.
Do you have mirror ? Should i say it ?
Mankind certainly has bigger problems than this.
Somehow this looks even like an attempt of escaping less comfortable issues ...
1 Timothy 2:12
"I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be silent."
Go and study theology and learn to read and understand the historical context of scripture before embarrassing yourself by ripping bible verses out of context
Protestants STOP Ordaining WOMAN as PRIESTS
Stereotyping all protestants as if all protestants believe that women should be priests or pastors is wrong .
The text simply says that women are not to teach men or have spiritual authority over men because Eve was deceived. God has chosen to give men the primary teaching authority in the church.
Many women excel in gifts of hospitality, mercy, teaching, evangelism, and helping/serving. Much of the ministry of the local church depends on women. Women in the church are not restricted from public praying or prophesying (1 Corinthians 11:5), only from having spiritual teaching authority over men. The Bible nowhere restricts women from exercising the gifts of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 12). Women, just as much as men, are called to minister to others, to demonstrate the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23), and to proclaim the gospel to the lost (Matthew 28:18-20; Acts 1:8; 1 Peter 3:15).
As this seems to be a direct critique of the bishop at Trumps inauguration it should be noted that this bishop is not teaching about God or the gospel but a worldly acceptance of what the bible calls sin. Now we do have that verse in Matthew 7:20 So then, by their fruit you will recognize them. 21 Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?
We must accept the sinner but not condone the sin whilst accepting the sinner.
With regards to your thoughts about including God's daughters in certain roles in church, and home, we must engage with the original language in the earliest manuscripts. We must be careful not to restrict the call of the Holy Spirit and be careful not to preach a Christ who discriminates...
There are no male pronouns in 1 Tim 3. There's a idiom for monogamy.
In 1 Tim 2, Paul did not silence (bad English translation) women who he hails as colleagues in Romans 16. He told Ephesian men to not argue and women to come in contemplative stillness and told Timothy to let them learn! That's an imperative. Students should adopt the posture of contemplation and quietness. Also, he was not talking about the creation account as the foundation of the 1 Tim 2 passage... Since he would not dismiss Genesis 1 where there is no creation order or hierarchy. He was writing about 1st degree vs 2nd degree sinner... much insight to be gained from www.tru316.com
The creation design is the two shall be one which Jesus repeats in the New Testament. No hierarchy. In Eph 2:22 there is no word "submit" in Greek. It's taken from Eph 5:21... submit ONE TO ANOTHER. NO male headship. Rest of passage is head body metaphor which Paul makes clear in remainder of passage. Your head can't function with your pancreas, limbs, stomach etc. Whole body in unity with each other. Whole as body of Christ. Reading authority is from a carnal lens. Jesus already gave the standard on this. No ruling over each other.
Early church had female leaders and preachers commissioned by the Holy Spirit and women leaders Romans 16 plus a whole host from history. God does not discriminate. The opposite is a Gen 3 mentality. Read not a few verses out of the cannonical or historical context written to local churches. Read not a few verses while denying the rest of God's word. Read all of Scripture through the eternal standard of the LIVING WORD. Seek God's word by commiting to understand what the original Hebrew and Greek said. English translations are problematic. Scholarship and academia know this.
Much insight to be gained from Www.tru316.com
www.patheos.com/blogs/zackhunt/2014/03/complementarianism-the-churchs-segregation-problem/
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jamespruch.wordpress.com/let-her-lead/
www.cbeinternational.org/resource/women-and-words-male-pronouns-dont-exist-in-1-timothy/
terranwilliams.com/the-biblical-case-for-women-in-leadership-and-why-mike-winger-the-gospel-coalition-and-the-southern-baptists-are-wrong-about-this/
Joseph. I am an Aussie and a Catholic and I totally reject your narrow interpretation. There is NO obstacle in scripture re women’s ordination. People like me are sick to death of this amazing bigatory and ignorance. I work with wise and dignified Women clergy. They leave many Catholic clergy for dead in their commitment to gospel values as typified in Jesus experience in the synagogue at Nazareth. Please stop your nonsense
Hi Johnstuart - it’s not a narrow interpretation, it’s just truth. We follow what Jesus did. His apostles did as well.
Narrow interpretation? He is verbalizing the belief and practice of the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. If you find this offensive, perhaps you should convert to the Episcopal/Anglican Church It sounds to me like you should "stop your nonsense."
Nice, please do a video in jd vance dressing as a woman, trump cheating in his wife, and being merciful to immigrant children olease
You do! Have the Authority ordain women.You lie when you say that you do not have the authority. All authority has been given to bind and loose.I find you talk rubbish!
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@@anitasez It is true Jesus gave all authority to his church as recorded in Matthew 18.You may rudely yawn as if to mock what I say but it is stated clearly in Scripture that what I say is true.
@@lorenzobianchini4415 SNOOZE
@@lorenzobianchini4415 You really need to do some honest research and quit bloviating falsities.
@cheese9879 I do not in your words bloviate falsities.I quoted Matthew 18 in which Jesus clearly states " All authority I give to you to bind and loose.Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven.Whatever you loose on earth will be loose in heaven.The Church could if it so chose ordain women priests but chooses not to.Not because Jesus told the Church it could not but because men by choice refuse to let women become priests.Quite simple.The Church choses when to acknowledge Scripture and when not to.St Paul for example clearly states women should have their head covered yet no longer insists on that rule.Why??
It's scriptural, women can't be bishops. Women need to know there place in creation. There to serve there husbands and care for there house.
I am catholic, but she is wrong
She invites 11 million illegal immigrants