Just watched this again as I have had around 9 months on my very standard Li150 and need a bi more top end speed to keep up with 50+mph traffic and thinking o changing front and rear sprockets 👍
Hiya rob my series 1 just started to slip on the clutch gonna change the clutch but also gonna put a 186 mugello kit on too so will a standard clutch and uprated springs be ok thanks Rushaid Liverpool
@@kickbackgarage didn’t bother with the moggy went for a rt 195 instead and new crank new bearings and clutch now got to run it in stay safe rushaid Liverpool
GREAT SITE , EASY TO FOLLOW. I HAVE A SPANISH SX200 OF DUBIOUS BUILD QUALITY. ACCORDING TO U.K.'s Dept of transport I need to fit direction indicators for M.O.T. Can't find anything on how to do such a thing. No reply from anybody any ideas ? Cheers, Paul, Glasgow U. K.
Your bedt bet is to get in touch with lcgb (lambretta club great Britain. I personally think its not necessary if it didn't come with indicators from the factory. I don't live in the UK so don't know what the rules are.
How to know when spider and bell are worn & need replacing? Is it merely the top ends? or what if signs of catching up the spider? Original worth keeping?
i know it’s 2 years since the question was asked about the lower chain guide but hopefully be of some use to someone… as rob says , they fail and jam between the chain / sprocket as i’ve just experienced… totally locked my crank thankfully at low speed on a roundabout but i still came off …. just like a heat seizure but no warning so never got a chance to pull clutch in .. back wheel totally locked .. pic attached .
Hi Rob I’m thinking of putting a new clutch in my SX 200 I’ve put a BGM 225 top end in with a 30 delorto carb it’s now very powerful my standard clutch is now slipping at high speed so what would you recommend I would like a soft lever pull but haven’t got a clue what to get there’s so many on the market 👍
What clutch plates was used Rob ? My setup was 5 plate Bgm red with dogears turned up for the bottom, bottom steel was 2.0 followed by 1.2/1.2 then 1.0 and top clutch plate with dogeears turned down with final top plate 2.5. Works very well with no slip or drag, mb springs so has a very light lever action
Any advice for determining whether the clutch bell or flange are too shot and worn and need replacing. Or can one make due with worn parts especially to keep it all original Innocenti setup?
@@cjread-jones1528 look for the clutch tang indentations on the rear sprocket and pressure plate, minor marks are ok too reuse but anything worse requires replacement
Can you offer advice relating too cranks on small block engines when updating cylinder kits , which then means so many upgrade ie crank , exhaust , carb , clutch bearings seals it’s a nightmare , especially when your told by shops don’t waste time on some of the big names are not worth it , I’ve chosen the RT195 after finding another kit failed too impress possibly because of said advice from certain shops . eBay seriously doesn’t help
I have very low compression on my GP200, I took out and replaced the cylinder base and head gaskets, re set the kickstart, but still poor compression - obviously a leak somewhere but is there anything else I may have missed
Hi Just found your videos and great they are too thanks, also like the light above your table .Any chance you could lower the camera a little above table as I have to sit closer to my computer (lol) ,but great stuff keep it up
Thanks. I have a new camera on the later videos, and can zoom a bit more. The gopro in this has wider shot and its actually a lot closer than it looks 😂
HI Rob - Question I lost my Clutch Shim when I stripped the clutch! Have you an instruction )Vid) which tell one how to identify which correct shim to buy and fit?
Hi Rob, have just done some of this work and found that when only a fairly light amount of torque is put on to tighten the main nut the spider wont run freely on the clutch bell. There is one shim behind the bell which I haven't measured. Would you suggest a thicker shim to lift the tightened spider off the bell? Any other suggestions? Thanks
Hmm.. 🤔 That's a problem I actually haven't had to deal with. I know that mb make different thickness of shim to fit behind the spider to enable the spider to sit taller. This is a question for a grown up and I would suggest that you read the mb tech page on setting up the clutch or giving them a call. I'm simply not qualified to answer, I'm afraid. Would love to hear what they say though.
@@kickbackgarage I did get over this problem with a bit thicker shim beneath the clutch basket. Just noticed when watching this again that you tightened the clutch centre bell nut to 22-25ft lbs as you read it from Sticky's but the front sprocket is 22-25 but the clutch centre nut is 48.5-50.5, apolgies if anyone else has already spotted this and commented
@@kickbackgarage Hi Rob, she's got one of those cheap as chips 200cc (indian) top ends, a 22mm Scootopia carb. A Case close ratio 4 speed, 18/44. cheers
@@kickbackgarage like this Rob? www.lambrettaspares.com/spares/clutch-aand-chain-spares/lambretta-clutch-plate-kit-(4-plate)-(4x3.5mm-friction-3x1.5mm-steels-5-mb-springs)-standard-clutch-bgm/mrb0810k.html
Hi Rob, another great video. I'm just fitting a new clutch to my Li and referring to Sticky's as well as watching your video. Looking at the torque setting for the clutch bell nut in Sticky's. 6.7-7.5 KG-M 48.5- 50.5LBS-FT. I think you only set it to 22-25
Maybe. I hate hearing my own voice, so can't re watch 😂 I'm not worried though. Once the gear cluster is through, there is very little movement from low to high torque. I don't really use torque on anything but the head tbh, but don't encourage others to neglect it. It won't loosen because of the tab washer. I think it's more to make sure the spider and gear cluster are fully home. If it's true that I got it wrong then good spot! It's also different values from the Spanish, Italian and Indian factorys. Which is a bit weird 🤷♂️
How do I go about acquiring all the episodes for this TV175 build? Do you have a stored archive or download-able series of the build? Kind Regards, Ray
Just watched this again as I have had around 9 months on my very standard Li150 and need a bi more top end speed to keep up with 50+mph traffic and thinking o changing front and rear sprockets 👍
MB does a great tapered cush drive cap solves a 'miss' with no worries
A lot of good stuff here Rob!
Takker!
Nicely done! Easy to follow. How about flywheel and magneto housing removal for 12v upgrades?
Ok. I can do that. I have another engine coming in 2 weeks time that I am taking the crankshaft out of. So flywheel will be the next vid.
Saludos desde Colombia
Hiya rob my series 1 just started to slip on the clutch gonna change the clutch but also gonna put a 186 mugello kit on too so will a standard clutch and uprated springs be ok thanks
Rushaid Liverpool
Yes mate. No problem with a well adjusted standard clutch on a muggy.
@@kickbackgarage didn’t bother with the moggy went for a rt 195 instead and new crank new bearings and clutch now got to run it in stay safe rushaid Liverpool
GREAT SITE , EASY TO FOLLOW. I HAVE A SPANISH SX200 OF DUBIOUS BUILD QUALITY.
ACCORDING TO U.K.'s Dept of transport I need to fit direction indicators for M.O.T.
Can't find anything on how to do such a thing. No reply from anybody any ideas ?
Cheers, Paul, Glasgow U. K.
Your bedt bet is to get in touch with lcgb (lambretta club great Britain. I personally think its not necessary if it didn't come with indicators from the factory. I don't live in the UK so don't know what the rules are.
How to know when spider and bell are worn & need replacing? Is it merely the top ends? or what if signs of catching up the spider? Original worth keeping?
If the spider has groves in it then the plates won't slide up and down. The same with the clutch bell. Replacing will be necessary.
Can I ask why you have not used chain guides as they have in sticky's i always follow the book as i,m watching your shows thanks
Original type lower chain guides have a tendency to fail. They let go and wrap themselves round the sprockets.
i know it’s 2 years since the question was asked about the lower chain guide but hopefully be of some use to someone…
as rob says , they fail and jam between the chain / sprocket as i’ve just experienced… totally locked my crank thankfully at low speed on a roundabout but i still came off …. just like a heat seizure but no warning so never got a chance to pull clutch in .. back wheel totally locked .. pic attached .
I hope you didn't damage yourself! I have also had it happen. It's not fun!
Bonjour ,avez vous une bonne adresse pour acheter
des pièces pour lambretta li .merci par avance
Désolé mais je ne vends pas de pièces
Hi Rob I’m thinking of putting a new clutch in my SX 200 I’ve put a BGM 225 top end in with a 30 delorto carb it’s now very powerful my standard clutch is now slipping at high speed so what would you recommend I would like a soft lever pull but haven’t got a clue what to get there’s so many on the market 👍
Lth or power mastet
What no coffee 😁
Lots of coffee today .. haha
merci rob
Very interesting and informative, thanks Rob👍🏻👍🏻
Another helpful video thank you Rob especially as the last I helped a friend do this was around 1982 or 83
What clutch plates was used Rob ?
My setup was 5 plate Bgm red with dogears turned up for the bottom, bottom steel was 2.0 followed by 1.2/1.2 then 1.0 and top clutch plate with dogeears turned down with final top plate 2.5. Works very well with no slip or drag, mb springs so has a very light lever action
My mate is on a budjet, so Reedspeed 5 plate conversion. Not sure how it works. some say its fine, others not so.
Kickback Garage lol, no such thing as a budget Lambretta engine rebuild 😂
I’ve heard only good reports on reedspeeds red edition clutch
@@exsoulagent Thats good news then. Ive sorted the air leak on this and its already going back to its owner.
Any advice for determining whether the clutch bell or flange are too shot and worn and need replacing. Or can one make due with worn parts especially to keep it all original Innocenti setup?
@@cjread-jones1528 look for the clutch tang indentations on the rear sprocket and pressure plate, minor marks are ok too reuse but anything worse requires replacement
Well explained. Lots of good knowledge. Thanks. All the best.
Iam hindi
Can you offer advice relating too cranks on small block engines when updating cylinder kits , which then means so many upgrade ie crank , exhaust , carb , clutch bearings seals it’s a nightmare , especially when your told by shops don’t waste time on some of the big names are not worth it ,
I’ve chosen the RT195 after finding another kit failed too impress possibly because of said advice from certain shops .
eBay seriously doesn’t help
Daryll Taylor of Taylor tuning on facebook makes great crankshafts for not a lot of money! Sorry for the late answer, didn`t see this until now.
I have very low compression on my GP200, I took out and replaced the cylinder base and head gaskets, re set the kickstart, but still poor compression - obviously a leak somewhere but is there anything else I may have missed
I think I would do a leak down test and if it's air tight then check your ring gap.
Hi Just found your videos and great they are too thanks, also like the light above your table .Any chance you could lower the camera a little above table as I have to sit closer to my computer (lol) ,but great stuff keep it up
Thanks. I have a new camera on the later videos, and can zoom a bit more. The gopro in this has wider shot and its actually a lot closer than it looks 😂
I thought that you would be spending more time 'clutching' your cider? Great vid, thanks.
Haha
Thanks for a great video my clutch start playing up after about 20 miles on a ride.So I'm going to replace it so thanks again
No problem. Glad it can come in useful.
HI Rob - Question I lost my Clutch Shim when I stripped the clutch! Have you an instruction )Vid) which tell one how to identify which correct shim to buy and fit?
Yes the video on primary rebuild
Great tutorial, thank you👍👍
Hi Rob, have just done some of this work and found that when only a fairly light amount of torque is put on to tighten the main nut the spider wont run freely on the clutch bell. There is one shim behind the bell which I haven't measured. Would you suggest a thicker shim to lift the tightened spider off the bell? Any other suggestions? Thanks
Hmm.. 🤔 That's a problem I actually haven't had to deal with. I know that mb make different thickness of shim to fit behind the spider to enable the spider to sit taller. This is a question for a grown up and I would suggest that you read the mb tech page on setting up the clutch or giving them a call. I'm simply not qualified to answer, I'm afraid. Would love to hear what they say though.
@@kickbackgarage Thanks, I'll follow up sometime when I've worked out why and how to sort it out, torquing up to 50 ft lbs locked them together solid
@@kickbackgarage I did get over this problem with a bit thicker shim beneath the clutch basket. Just noticed when watching this again that you tightened the clutch centre bell nut to 22-25ft lbs as you read it from Sticky's but the front sprocket is 22-25 but the clutch centre nut is 48.5-50.5, apolgies if anyone else has already spotted this and commented
I am at this stage right now on the li200 overbore:).
Cool 😎
Whats your recommendation for replacing a standard S2 Li 150 clutch Rob? without breaking the bank.
Depends on what top end you are running.
@@kickbackgarage Hi Rob, she's got one of those cheap as chips 200cc (indian) top ends, a 22mm Scootopia carb. A Case close ratio 4 speed, 18/44. cheers
@@206wrctribute then something like a solid Indian clutch basket, mb 4 plate clutch kit and mb springs. Will last a long time on a stage 4 200. 😎
@@kickbackgarage like this Rob? www.lambrettaspares.com/spares/clutch-aand-chain-spares/lambretta-clutch-plate-kit-(4-plate)-(4x3.5mm-friction-3x1.5mm-steels-5-mb-springs)-standard-clutch-bgm/mrb0810k.html
Hi Rob, another great video. I'm just fitting a new clutch to my Li and referring to Sticky's as well as watching your video. Looking at the torque setting for the clutch bell nut in Sticky's. 6.7-7.5 KG-M 48.5- 50.5LBS-FT. I think you only set it to 22-25
Maybe. I hate hearing my own voice, so can't re watch 😂 I'm not worried though. Once the gear cluster is through, there is very little movement from low to high torque. I don't really use torque on anything but the head tbh, but don't encourage others to neglect it. It won't loosen because of the tab washer. I think it's more to make sure the spider and gear cluster are fully home. If it's true that I got it wrong then good spot! It's also different values from the Spanish, Italian and Indian factorys. Which is a bit weird 🤷♂️
How do I go about acquiring all the episodes for this TV175 build? Do you have a stored archive or download-able series of the build? Kind Regards, Ray
Ray, go on my main page and you will find my playlists. Or maybe this link will work ua-cam.com/play/PL2QkfP-hIiyniNutiNgDShIdfW9BewDkG.html
Awesome man!
Thanks!